#What should i ban as a gold Irelia?

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zealous nova
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what made me come and seek the wisdom of the higher ranks is the fact that i just got stomped by a Darius in an undescribeable way, he killed me under turret 4 times and 1v9'd after. Thing is, i thought Darius wasnt one of my biggest counters because the people i played before were bad. i usually ban Trundle or Tahm Kench. But maybe im making a huge mistake. What is the biggest threat to Irelia asuming the enemy has the skill of a gold 2 or 1?

gray bobcat
rich cloak
zealous nova
zealous nova
naive delta
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champ takes no skill also thats why you see trick2g play it

zealous nova
quiet trout
naive delta
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really ? ive been seeing more zacs then ever in this new meta

gray bobcat
quiet trout
gray bobcat
naive delta
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if he builds bramble youre fucked

quiet trout
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I'm an otp, im literally diamond 2 on main

gray bobcat
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congrats, he asked specifically for gold

quiet trout
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Wr isn't everything, still equates

gray bobcat
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i do not care about your dia peak lil bro 😭

quiet trout
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Gold elo, u can counter voli early game

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Assuming u do it right he's not an issue

quiet trout
# zealous nova what made me come and seek the wisdom of the higher ranks is the fact that i jus...

Darius isn't a bad ban, for him specifically here are some tips I can give u. Do not fight early game, until you have bork, play under tower. You outscale as soon as you get bork. You can wait for boots for a higher chance. Wait for him to use his spinning attack (q), before dashing into him. If he messes up his hook, and you have bork. All in him, but dodge his spinning attack (q). You will lose the matchup if you die before bork. ALWAYS take d shield

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Personally I'll ban a garen just cause he's a disgusting champ

zealous nova
quiet trout
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Freeze wave close enough under tower where you can comfortably farm, or ping jungler for gank

zealous nova
quiet trout
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Do u know the animations

zealous nova
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As for the jungler... he was the reason i got killed under turret 4 times, gave darius 2 free kills for nothing

zealous nova
quiet trout
zealous nova
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I just checked, the darius was emerald multiple times

quiet trout
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U know the rule of 33?

zealous nova
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No

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So maybe true golds wouldnt give me such a hard time? Or should i asume im gonna verse people who know their interactions?

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Cause every darius i faced in draft i beat and the last one in ranked i think i tied

quiet trout
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33% of games u'll lose, this is when u get stomped by someone higher elo, u have inters etc, 33% of games u'll win cause ur getting carried or the other team has inters, 33% of games it's up to u to carry, stomp lane etc. that game is probably just one of those games

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It might just be a one off, are u an otp or no

zealous nova
quiet trout
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Think about it like this what champ makes u wanna dodge and ban them

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Or think of like 3 and pick the one that is lost popular during season or is in meta

zealous nova
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Tahm kench makes me wanna do that the most tbh

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Trundle would have too but i ban him soo often so i havent avtually seen one this season

naive delta
quiet trout
zealous nova
quiet trout
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No the short range tp thing, omen ult from valorant

quiet trout
zealous nova
quiet trout
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It's the thing where he goes into the ground and pops up at a different spot

zealous nova
quiet trout
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Do short bursts of damage

zealous nova
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And r u sure? Im pretty sure from playing viego that the tp is e

quiet trout
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At max stacks e q him and then if u bait it out ult him and then yeah

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Oh it's w, mb

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Looked at the wrong notes I made

zealous nova
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Oh yeah, we were both wrong

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What does e do then?

quiet trout
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Idk doesnt matter bait out the w

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His main combo is the Diddy combo, I don't see them too much

zealous nova
quiet trout
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Trundle

zealous nova
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Ohhhh

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I just realised something stupid

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Im perma banning him even tho i dont know the specifics of his kit

quiet trout
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What

zealous nova
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Im gonna buy him tomorrow and figure him out better

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Like i barely know what his abilities do, dont even know the cds or precise values

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So then darius would be the best to ban?

royal sphinx
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Malphite

rich cloak
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Like Darius is a knowledge/skill check for Irelia players tbh

quiet wing
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Don’t blame the champions, it’s not the champion, it’s the wave management

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Top lane is all about wave manipulation
you want a kill? Set the wave
You wanna survive? Set the wave
You wanna setup a gank? Set the wave
You wanna murder Darius? Set the wave

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I don’t know that much about Irelia, but if she is weak early game and has no prio, the worst thing you can do against a Darius is trade/lose HP

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A good darius player would chunk down your HP, 3 wave crash, recall and come back with an ITEM ADVANTAGE, and set a big freeze on you

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That would be a game over for you if you HP low
you can’t crash the wave, if you over extend, he will pop ghost and murder you. you will also be vulnerable to ganks. You will be stuck in lane waiting to die

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And if you recall before crashing the wave, you gonna lose the next couple waves because he setup a freeze on you

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The worst thing you can do against Darius is mismanage your wave kekW

rich cloak
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Speaking of wave management, Irelia really likes to seesaw the wave state: Let it come in, even crash if you need to, then slowpush it out and play pretty aggro, when you're slow pushing you can pretty easily keep full stacks on passive 24/7 which makes you godlike at dueling+you have the bigger wave, so they either accept that you get to push, or you will murder then in the duel if they think otherwise (you'll notice the few champions that really tend to beat her in top lane hard are obscenely good at all-in duels, so they're strong enough they can even overcome that deficit, Darius is not one of them, he's actually not that great at dueling early, he relies and abusing spacing and getting his 5 stacks first to actually be hard to beat in an all-in).

zealous nova
zealous nova
rich cloak
zealous nova
rich cloak
# zealous nova explain your pov

If you're dying under tower, it's usually a function of them getting a significant wave-crash and using the wave size to help facilitate that dive.

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plus killing your opponent when you have a stacked wave under their tower denies them a ton of gold and more importantly xp.

zealous nova
mental river
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ban trundle, everything else is somewhat doable

zealous nova
# mental river ban trundle, everything else is somewhat doable

He is a different beast, yesterday i beat a trundle 3/0 and he still pushed til our inhibitor, 1 death for me and he gets the whole lane, and considering i was the only winning lane dying was inevitable. But i have lots of trouble with garens too, extremely high play rate while also countering me. Played garen more thab half of yesterday's games

mental river
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trundle is just a stat check demon

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garen is boring cuz even if u win early, he'll outscale u

rich cloak
# zealous nova And how should i stop that considering if i exit the turret im dead

you stop that be proactively altering the wave state earlier (don't let them stack up a monster wave and crash it, trim the wave as it gets closer to your side of the lane so it's manageable, and you might even be able to pull a freeze this way, which is incredibly good for you because you're near the safety of your tower and practically ungankable, and the enemy top is far from their tower and ripe for the ganking by your jungler).

quiet wing
mental river
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ye and how do i deal with him just stat checking me out later on? no wave i'm dead, with wave i'm also dead cuz i'm not outpushing him

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under tower he can just ult me n take tower

quiet wing
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What champion you play

mental river
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irelia

quiet wing
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Whenever he pops his abilities stun and space him and wait for timer to run out

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Then renegage and murder him

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I don’t know about irelia but that’s how I beat him with other champs, especially early levels

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You could also use ghost

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Like trundle has a damage reduction ability, the worst thing you can do is get baited and fight him when he pops it

mental river
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yea that's what i'm saying, i don't get to chose when i get to engage, cuz whether we fight or not is on him
if i start, he ults me, if i run away to minions he pillars me
if he starts, he can hold his stuff till i have to disengage and he reengages on me

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this is my issue with the champ, i win early levels just to get completely fucked later on

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cuz whenever lanephase goes, he can just choose when we fight, and even behind gets to fuck me up, since i have to be the one engaging and getting statchecked by his ult

quiet wing
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Well trundle a duelist he does stat check you with his ultimate

mental river
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and yeah, i'm not going ghost just to side a trundle, cuz if he goes tp then wtf do i do if he feels like tping on the opposite side to crash with the 1-3-1 push

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at that point even if i base i lose a tower

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and i wont be able to group for teamfights cuz if i don't have tp and he (as always) permapushes side, i just lose tower for each teamfight i take

mental river
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cuz in gold the concept of permapushing side works rlly well since people don't look at the map before taking fights

quiet wing
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I don’t know about yall but I rarely run into trundle players these days

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You could maybe ban a different champ and dodge trundle matchups

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If you rarely run into him

mental river
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yea sure, go by that. in my server i get enough trundle players for a ban to make sense

zealous nova
# mental river irelia

bait his r before item, after item though... unless you have your 2nd you need to play very good, he can stat check you even without r if you miss your e or r and if you dont use the wave properly

rich cloak
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Trundle and Irelia both prefer to be able to auto in melee range to effective in a fight, so the problem Irelia runs into in that matchup is that in order to do good damage, she has to opt into the scenario that Trundle also wants to be in (autoing in melee range). Irelia actually has good mobility, unlike trundle. So naturally, Trundle is better compensated in terms of dueling power for his lack of mobility. This means he will out-stat check you assuming level/item parity by a fair margin. This said, his excellent dueling is conditional. His W provides most of his bonus AS (especially as you get into midgame), it has a moderately long CD and notable mana cost, and it only applies in a large circular area. So you want to be sure and avoid obliging a duel when inside that circle (it's not the most visually obvious effect either, so you will want to learn what that looks like and where it's edge is). Luckily you have a repeatable dash on Q, so you can use this to buy time and space you out. Your worst case scenario v. Trundle is being caught further than Q range from the creep wave by trundle w/ W up and E to cut off your escape. It's better to hug the creep wave and abuse your Q to space him out, buy time for either his W to expire, or ideally also bait his E. With those gone, he is lacking a way for extending the engagement and a big chunk of AS and now much easier to fight (ofc you also want to be sure you have everything that will help you maximize your own dueling potential, so E(+R post 6) available, Q off-CD, and crucially, passive stacked up enough that you either already have or will get immediately, full stacks upon taking the fight).

devout sleet
wet moon
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You just ban malphite.
I consider that shit completely unplayable. the rest you can manage very simply by being tad bit better.

quiet trout
zealous nova
wet moon
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and u should keep playing into them, because they are beatable if you're good enough.

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if you're looking to improve you dont dodge difficult matchups. you just ban the unplayable one.

acoustic quiver
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You can play all matchups in gold. Ban no one.

devout sleet
rich cloak
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If you feel good about that matchup, maybe one of the other bad ones. In general if you're struggling with a specific matchup, and the WR for your champ in it isn't that bad, you shouldn't ban it and instead endeavor to figure what to do not get rekt.

zealous nova
acoustic quiver
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If you plan on staying gold, then that mindset is good.

zealous nova
acoustic quiver
zealous nova
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When he says play tough match ups he says play trundle or garen not volibear

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And he literally says ban unplayable champs

acoustic quiver
zealous nova
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And you are wrong

acoustic quiver
zealous nova
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Im not too stressed about it, 35 games last season and peaked 100 mmr playing on a different lane than usual

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100 mmr above my split 1 peak i mean

acoustic quiver
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Staying gold isnt a bad thing ya know. It’s a game after all. Those that have fun always win.