All slows should be decaying

[drifting thunder]

The amount of movemenet speed and dashes is high in league, but imo to make the game more enjoyable is to make all slows decaying. They dont have to decay to 0 at the end timer, but at least go down 50% of the original amount when the slow would end. Theres so many slows in the game and the CC amount is still high, unless you draft really poorly. Since riot is slowly removing tenacity this will be more enjoyable.
Thoughts?

[lavish forum]

Tbh the only slows that are very problematic in my opinion are nasus W and zilean E

Aside from that i dont find this cc that problematic

[slow jacinth]

Slows are meant to be potent. making them decay over time creates a bad experience for the one's using it when theres ways to obtain slow resist that effectively help mitigate some champion's only form of cc/defense.

You're saying they need to decay because you dont want to buy swifties against slow heavy teams or what? they dont stack anymore so it's not a big issue.

[void falcon]

there's actually more tenacity in the game right now than ever before, you can realistically build Mercury's Treads+Sterak's Gage+Wit's End on some AD fighters and that's like halving CC durations for most CCs.

I actually think they should get rid of the MS softcaps (on both ends)

Thresh cage 99% slow still leaves you with 190 MS...

[drowsy jewel]

i dont think sterak gives tenacity

oh it does, 20%

[vagrant topaz]

wits end is so horrifyingly bad

[void falcon]

not on fighters that actually want AS

[vagrant topaz]

has no atk and no hp

i cant think of anyone but irel who might build AS as a fighter, not even jax

can u list some others

[void falcon]

Yi is an obvious one

[vagrant topaz]

🤣 yi?

[void falcon]

It can be situationally good on Xin, Trundle, Warwick and most other fighters that like on-hits/having AS from items

It's usually Yi's goto MR item

[vagrant topaz]

a lot lower winrate in op.gg compared to kraken slayer

[void falcon]

are you just looking at item win rates? that's a very surface level analysis

wit's isn't an early game item, it's one you build later on for more resists and scaling stats

[vagrant topaz]

so how do u judge items? brain imagery?

[void falcon]

knowing how well a champ actually scales w/ stats for one

two: understand what the item is bought for.

in wit's case, AS+MR+on-hit (so it's an MR item for on-hit style fighters, i.e., those that do most of their damage from basic attacks

if you want data, I use u.gg and look at WR as a function of which item slot it is built in (more useful for finding good core builds)

[elder swift]

nasus w be like: ramping slow

[cosmic orbit]

Genuinely though how is nasus wither still allowed to be as strong as it is??

Isnt that shit point and click? Point and click to take an adc out of the game

[void falcon]

It's a slow and the champion that has it has 0 mobility and no other CC.

[cosmic orbit]

95% slow is still silly

For a point and click

And it fucks your attack speed too

[manic mica]

you know what else fucks your movespeed and attack speed? a stun

[toxic hill]

Nasus W is not as bad as Nautilus R,Pantheon W or Leona Q in terms of 'why does this still exist', just to name a few. But yes, 95% is way too high and it lasts too long

[manic mica]

ye except it isnt 95% in practice keep in mind

[void falcon]

Yea slows can't reduce you to less than 190 MS iirc the caps correctly

[drifting thunder]

it ramps up and has no cd late game, with the right build that isnt even griefing that much you sync the cd with the duration for perma crippling the adc or whatever

[harsh coral]

Panth w aint even all that bad when his E exists

goofy still tho point and click stun

[elder swift]

the most horrible point and click cc is fiddle q imo

casual 2.25 second point and click fear

for context malz ult is 2.5 seconds and can get interuptted by cc

[harsh coral]

malzahars also does a shit ton of dmg alongside it too tho

which persists regardless if its canceled early

[drifting thunder]

It’s on malzahar though