#Vladimir is un-punishable
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If Vlad doesn't have flash you can follow him in pool or bait his pool and then kill him. If he's made it to 6k hp without dying then that's on you or your jungler. Vlad can certainly be strong in the right hands but if he's not fed you just kill him or chase him out of lane and if he is fed you can build mr and anti heal and fight him on even ground through a gold deficit
using winrate to prove anything shouldn't be your first bet just look at ksante
what you're saying makes sense but vladimir just doesn't die
he heals to full with his W and Q and then he has R and zhonyas. we had anitheal and our frontline had mr. as an assasin i couldnt do anything against him
he then proceeded to remain full hp or untargetable while oneshotting my team
U cant complain about an hyperscaling champion to obliterate late game
We we're ahead mind you. I truly believe that his recent buffs we're a bit overkill
Why not
He wasn't even ahead, and It's not like hes the only good scaling champ in the game
Because that's what they do and have a really weak early games?
It doesnt matter of he's not ahead if he is allowed to scale lol
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Not to mention I've been destroying him as an assassin: zed.
if we were ahead we should win no?
If you know how to win sure
U should have ended the game before he gets 4 items yes
Not like you're playing perfectly to end the game
Every time you make a mistake and delay the game further and donate more gold to the enemy hypercarries, the less your lead will matter
Its not hard to farm and not get dove with vladimir
he doesnt have to worry about mana or sustain, and has a great escape
He had 3 items btw
3 whole items....
i was full build.
And his only escape is his greatest weakness... It's on cd and he's super vulnerable
Tbh ur kinda biased cause ur a jgler so u dont have to face him in lane , but i swear he is not that good of a mage to blind pick , many champs can abuse the shit out of him and make him miserable before he gets his items
he was playing against malzahar which he has a 44% winrate against
Ofc as a jgler u cant punish enemy vlad as much so u end up facing him when he is ahead/even
and still won the game
Anyways, as an assassin, if you're jumping at him with full hp, you're goddamn trolling
So this malzahar is just crazy bad
Really doesn't mean anything.
all of our carries were full build. we had a full build blue kayn, camille, cait. HOW does he survive?
Healing reduction helps, not to mention his base stats pre 6 are so bad
He survives from 3 bad players not knowing how to bait pool then burst him
Yep im trash and lets call it a day great take
Camille EE W R he pools then you WQ aa R and cait just hits from outside. Really not a big deal
One thing that sucks though is that people who play Vlad already have the practice needed, so if you see one it's not their first time on the champ
i am really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but im sure that i know how to play my champ. especially at 6 items
Pool has like a 22 second CD level 1? Lemme check
I think he was fair before the buffs
28 second lol
Vladimir has so much counterplay about him but you talk nothing about playing around his abilities but just complain about it.
Yes exactly, because i think he got overbuffed
I had no issue playing against him before the buffs
Calling that unpunishable is such a whiny hyperbole
As Jungler if you just run up and he pools out, loop back in like 15 seconds
Okay? Thats just my take? You already called me trash while I don't even know how good you're supposed to be, and now you're just dissing. If you don't agree you can say so politely
He's made for teamfights It's not that easy to just go on him once he has no pool
Guys I know how to play the game, I just think he's too strong now.
I'm not trying to prove anything really. If a champion has a low winrate, I think it's reasonable to assume they're not great unless you can provide an explanation for the inconsistency.
Ksante is an incomplete explanation. He is a tank with high skill mechanics, which makes him both needed for pro play and simply skill wr suppression.
And when I talk about how it could be punished, you continue to whine. If you're not even going to consider how it could be punished, go type in #rant .
If he does have a 50.5% win rate, it's probably slightly bogged down if his pick rate is up
I'm not arguing that he's strong, but there's definitely ways to play around him still
Having some experience playing on Vlad, if you were actually full build against a 3-item vlad, you shouldn't ever be losing that unless you really don't understand how to play v. him.
lol late game vlad is like impossible to kill if the player has a brain tbh. but hes not unpunishable. its like saying Kass is unpunishable bc he blinks out and does a ton of dmg. theyre both balanced quite well rn where you can punish them early and delay their inevitable scaling to win before they spike and yeet your entire team
nah i beat 6 item vlad easily
true, all you have to do is shoot him with a silver bullet and he just dies regardless of how many items he has, or some garlic
I just drive a 76oz rare wagyu steak into his chest and he dies of heart failure
Thats the whole point of a hyperscaling champ, they will spank you regardless of your lead if you just let them scale. Theyre punishing you for not ending the game earlier
Its always a fun time when im on jinx and the enemy team slacks off when they have a lead only for them to find out im full built and now pushed into their base