Most Controversial Hot Takes

[fast comet]

Really? what?

[opal grail]

Name a single metric that will correlate if you are so sure that this is true

[trim crystal]

objectives metric would be largely discriminating towards everyone as objectives should be a team effort. Should a toplaner be penalized for their botlane or jungler misplaying and losing the first dragon?

[fast comet]

I got two accounts to diamond with a 60% to 70% this year lol. When i played well I was more likely to win lol

[opal grail]

And I will give a counter argument for why each metric does not correlate

[fast comet]

everyone still gets rewarded or loses though.

[trim crystal]

that is just a sign of the initial "getting the smurf where they belong asap" system, not of your skill

[fast comet]

If you win you still get LP and if you lose you still lose LP but if I had a smurf bot lane pop off 20 kills take turrets, KP,etc then yes 100% they should get more LP

[fast comet]

Yes but if i was inting every game I wouldnt climb lol

So performance is directly correlated with winning/losing

If you have a bot lane going 0-10 every game I promise you are more likely to lose a game than win.

[opal grail]

And they do lose lp, a lot actually

[trim crystal]

not sure what your point is? you played using your diamond skill level, so the system put you up there asap so you can stop ruining games of people below your rank

[fast comet]

they should lose alot more than you if you played fine

[opal grail]

Because the current system punishes consistently losing

[opal grail]

Do you know how horrible their lp gains and losses are if they do lose so consistently?

[fast comet]

I shouldnt get punished the same as someone who is trolling,feeding,etc..

[opal grail]

You aren't

[fast comet]

I am we are losing the same LP

[trim crystal]

those aren't skill-related behaviours, and they shouldn't be dealt with using the mmr system

[opal grail]

If that bot laner has a 30% wr, then they lose a lot more lp then you

[fast comet]

Well ranking system in general is skill based

[fast comet]

That is assuming I get the same bot lane every game which does not happen. My example is a therotical

To show that performance 100% correlates with wins/losses

That is not even debatable lol

[opal grail]

You are confusing your arguments for Vuks with me

[opal grail]

I was responding to this

[fast comet]

But u are using my argument with Vuks to argue your point

[fast comet]

Yes I 100% agree with that statement. What is wrong with what i said?

We are basing it off a per game basis remember

[opal grail]

This isn't relevant to the question I was answering for

[fast comet]

What?

What did I say that was wrong then?

[opal grail]

I can't anymore @trim crystal you have fun

[fast comet]

You are such a troll lol

I have literally answered everything very clearly you somehow cant read sorry about that

[fast comet]

Because this statement has literally nothing to do with what i said

Like at all and how you cant see that is absolutely mind boggling in every regard

[opal grail]

I cba

[fast comet]

You cant read thats why sorry

Dont know what to tell you. Try reading will help you

You used a 30% w.r to somehow try and prove a point like yeah I cant with you you clearly just cant read

[trim crystal]

alright, first of all - no, clarity is NOT your strong point. we already established that with you completely twisting what exactly the rioter said on the first reddit link you posted.
second - quit telling people to read better, from what i see you lost the context of that one exchange

[fast comet]

Yeah very clearly as my initial comment stated exactly what i Initially typed and you took one sentence of me paraphrasing what a Rioter said to state something like people are just hard headed dont know what to say lol...

[trim crystal]

paraphrasing? yeah, fuck this convo, i'm done talking to a broken record

[fast comet]

Yeah you are very clearly confused try reading will help

[trim crystal]

come back when you properly acknowledge that you fucked up and misrepresented what the rioter said, then we can continue

[fast comet]

Try coming back when you read my intial comment

and the ones after as well then slap urself

[opal grail]

Smart decision

[fast comet]

Im done arguing with you clowns

[trim crystal]

which comment? the one where skolver called you stupid, or the one that contains a link to the reddit thread and a glaring misrepresentation of what they said?

[opal grail]

I got asked about my reading comprehension like 4 times by this guy, it's a headache trying to have a convo with them

[fast comet]

Yeah because you lack it very much dont know what to say

[opal grail]

[fast comet]

Bye bye have a good one performance based ranking system in true skill 2 would be a great change as I initially stated if you want to go back to that then cool if not pce

Oh wait let me clarify "WOULD" One more time in case people dont know what that word means

becuase it clearly shows here lol

[trim crystal]

it could, if Riot can find a way to measure performance uniformly across the 10 entirely different champions, roles and item choices across every game. otherwise it's just a gateway to egregious system abuse and unhealthy gameplay patterns aimed to abuse. extremely hard to implement well, can very easily backfire hard

as a side note, not even CC score can be measure uniformly, ever seen what a nocturne's cc score looks like after a 20 min game because of his ult?

[fast comet]

I guess the only way to find out if Riot tested it by looking at the data they already have but I cant say that here where the question is controversial takes sorry.

[warped thicket]

people dont give yasuo players who do decent enough credit

i think people's frustrations can be super specific, in that hes extremely strong and hard to beat 1v1 in lane, but i think no one considers how tough it can be to play him out of lane

most people who complain about him would get blown up in every teamfight if they tried to play him

[dark aurora]

derailing in this thread or alternative topics aside from the controversial takes thingie is fine as long as it doesnt get out of hand it seems. if it wasnt it wouldve been locked weeks ago.

[vivid sinew]

i don't think people complain about Yasuo now that Yone exist

[rocky perch]

tanks in midlane are objectively the funniest thing u can play mid

thats it. i just enjoy watching mages struggle to deal with ornn of all people

[opaque grove]

play AP bruiser cho mid

[rocky perch]

i do like it but cho is so crusty man

dude has aged like milk with his model and gameplay

[opaque grove]

riot made his Q cost only 50 mana at all ranks

so Q max is disgusting now.

[rocky perch]

had the most fun with skarner/sion and ornn mid

illaoi mid is decent too but not rly a tank and gallio is already played mid

i just like ignoring my laner cause they do tickle dmg

[opaque grove]

w/ cho you can actually body them while being able to laugh at their damage

[rocky perch]

acting like ornn doesnt dump dmg too

[opaque grove]

it's a range issue

[rocky perch]

ehh? Q E makes up for it

[opaque grove]

cho Q has like 800 range

[rocky perch]

only times it becomes rly bad is with adcs like trist or like rly high range mages like viktor

[opaque grove]

viktor isn't high range

[rocky perch]

his E is

[opaque grove]

most of syndra's kit matches viktor's E range, let alone Lux...

[rocky perch]

and he can keep u out with cage

[rocky perch]

never struggled with lux and i perma ban syndra cause that champ is wack

[opaque grove]

now imagine stomping those champs w/ a tanky melee mid.

[rocky perch]

i already do with ornn or sion

a less controversial and hypocritical opinion is that ranged top lane is lame af

[spiral beacon]

you are obligated to run it down mid if you have ahri on your team that is using the 500$ skin

[rugged depot]

whats with the seraphine hate

[dark aurora]

Seraphine isnt liked because of the stunts they pulled for her marketing multiple years ago, theyre also a champion that was meant to be designed for midlane but the support playerbase kind of made her into an enchanter primary/mage secondary which enroaches on sona's territory. her lore originally was considered really bad EXCEPT for the linking between hextech and skarner that got retconned.

[opal grail]

Immature playerbase

[rugged depot]

agreed

[echo bolt]

Copy paste champs with weird marketing

[willow coral]

Her lore originally painted her as a sociopathic con artist using the tormented souls of the brackern to ascend her musical career.

Riot retconned the link between hextech and skarner, so now she’s a bland character with no redeeming qualities.

Aesthetically, I find her rather boring. She is a sona with no character flaw and made to be a perfect sex doll for skin sales.

[fallen dock]

She would be a genuinely interesting character if first of all she wasn't using hextech whatsoever, and if she had encounters with character such as Camille and Jace in her lore relating to her want for Piltover and Zaun to unite, and to stop using the tormented souls of a hibernating race of crystal scorpions as a power source

Like if she had an encounter with Camille when trying to steal a hexcore or something, that'd be genuinely interesting as a clash of ideals, the ideals of the Uniter vs the ideals of the Separator

[trim crystal]

all of the above plus her weird theming. a "singer" who can't even walk on her own 2 legs or sit still in her damn idle animation, and she has KDA and ultimate skins that portray her as... a "singer" again???? like, what

[echo bolt]

Also the weird model with the pedestal like wtf

[fallen dock]

Seraphine's entire marketing wasn't around her as a Runeterra character coming to the rift, but as basically a KDA skin advertisement. She wasn't made of original ideas and love like other champs, she was made with greed and skin sales first, actual character second. That's why people hate her.

[echo bolt]

Also the Twitter fiasco

[fallen dock]

Yeah the marketing was just predatory, yet some people just ate that shit up

[rocky perch]

tldr shes the personification of all of riots bad character design and business decisions

[formal elm]

the ahri skin isn’t that serious guys if you dont want to buy it then dont buy it and if you cant afford it anyways who cares.

i swtg this community will b*tch and moan about anything. The entitlement is crazy af

[trim crystal]

that's a poor bait, not a controversial opinion

[formal elm]

it is my opinion

you dont have to listen to it just carry on with your day

[trim crystal]

I've already had this discussion in #general so yeah, I'll skip

[trim crystal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2bR5NpWUtE

[subtle jolt]

Ahri skin is actually worth the money and it's not expensive

[autumn bough]

That have be scrape btw

[trim crystal]

if only people looked at something else than just the price tag. lots of questionable decisions with that skin

[fast comet]

I'd say it goes both ways tbh

[fast comet]

What? dont know what that means lol

[ornate fractal]

Can someone tell me what china's reaction to this shit is? In general koreans ain't buying it (gauged from online forums) and I want to know if the whales in china are going to fuel riot's agenda

[fast comet]

it is a fair opinion tbh

[violet mulch]

2137th reply

[hoary portal]

half the shit riot does is to appease tencent and chinese fans, i have a bet with my friends about who the next player is going to be and we all have a pretty good feeling hell be chinese and most likely Uzi lol

[hoary portal]

lol like in genshin you spend $500 rolling for a character and people feel fine about it but if you sell the character at $500 youre the villian XD

[severe matrix]

gachas are not that expensive to get a character, i dont want to start defending them cause yes its predatory but its mostly to speed up progress. the game is free and everything is unlockable for free, if you give it time or play enough unlike what is happening here

[hoary portal]

lol i just wrote a whole ass paragraph for another thread on the ahrimains thread but i understand the discourse happening, personally i really dont care, no digital asset is worth that much to me so personally i wont be buying it. i get that people are upset over the fact that riot seems to be out of touch with its player base but then again when have they ever been in touch with us. at best what you can do is protest and band together to not buy the skin but realisitcally what can be done about this? video game companies are struggling to stay afloat (or at least they claim they are) these days and would rather plunder their playerbase for some cash to fill their bottom line and riot unfortunately seems to be using this halls of legendsas an excuse to do so

also i completely disagree with gachas not being predatory and expensive, its literally gambling BUT were getting off topic here so yeah theres that

[opal grail]

video game companies are struggling to stay afloat

[hoary portal]

read that more as "vIdEo gAmE cOmPaNiEs aRe StruGgliNg" lol

[opal grail]

video game companies are claiming that?

[hoary portal]

ask epic, ubisoft, blizzard etc. the layoffs, the cost hikes, the new payment methods the idea that you shouldnt own a game but only be able to buy the rights to it or rent a game etc. all point to video game companies wanting more money in the name of "theyre struggling"

[autumn bough]

Your not wrong on that

But mircosoft shutdown game studio for dumbest reason

[opal grail]

Eh I feel like they are making individual business decisions that were bad instead of the game companies are struggling

[echo bolt]

they shut it down cause it was losing money

[autumn bough]

Tango wasn’t lose money

[echo bolt]

They are becoming EA 2.0 by the months

How would you know, do you work for Microsoft

Microsoft needs to learn that people arent stupid anymore, they can tell which games suck and which don't

[autumn bough]

Got shutdown because non of their game won award

Which is pretty bullshit anyway

[echo bolt]

then again i dont play that much video games anymore

Sekiro kinda killed my mood cause it's so boring and short

[tacit loom]

thats the worst take so far in this thread

[drifting fossil]

KILL JOHN LENNON

https://tenor.com/view/traewockhardt-sad-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16591014784735052511

[sick shale]

u jus said this to cause a war LMAO

[rocky perch]

singed needs a buff

[mellow meteor]

Here's mine. Summoner spells are a detriment to the game and should be removed.

What's the point of designing a non mobile character that deals ton of damage but isn't meant to be able to go in and out easily when they can just grab ghost and flash. See veigar.

Here's another, item stats should be removed in favor of just making their effects stronger. I would be ok with flash existing as an item if you don't start the game with it and instead have to spend money to acquire it instead of, let's say another item that gave you 50 percent pen.

I sorta agree, I would love if league had a system similar to hots where you could pick abilities from a couple choices as you level.

I got a diamond bud who abuses kled on his accounts to get up there every season/splits. You're on to something there.

[mellow meteor]

Most of them try to as an excuse to fire their employees and see the line go up. Look at blizzard firing employees and claiming they just broke record profits basically in the same breath a couple years ago.

[rocky perch]

malphite r should have a longer cd not a fan of it being an instant potential game changer with like 40s cd

[rocky perch]

so dota 2 items? blink dagger

[mellow meteor]

Yea but with every item and existing summoner spell. If you want flash you should have to spend resources to get it and fill that hole in your kit instead of getting it for free. If you want to risk not having flash and instead get Exhaust, or hourglass, or liandrys as items go for it. That sort of links to my other take, items shouldn't have stats just effects and make them stronger to compensate in addition to rebalancing champions where needed.

[rocky perch]

its too big a change

[proven osprey]

Support > adc > jungle = top = mid

[ornate dew]

you so real for that

a champion with 5000 health and 600 armor shouldn't just be able to get a 5 man airborne with less than a minute of cd

[rocky perch]

pretty much that yh

[rocky perch]

lethality caitlyn should be toned down

[formal elm]

how is this a hot take

[rocky perch]

Caitlyn players defend the champ like it’s a newborn

[formal elm]

she def needs a nerf can one shot people with literally just her ult lmao

[rocky perch]

She sneezes in your general direction with her passive and your dead

[formal elm]

aphelios and ezreal need items and to actually play the role adc correctly to do anything even close to that

[rocky perch]

I’m not a big fan of how strong ez can be either but he does at least have to play the game a bit

Caitlyn gets to abuse you all laning phase build lethality and suddenly vaporise you

[formal elm]

after playing jungle for a bit I've concluded this role is simply not for me because of the dumb ahhh invaddes and early game fiesta fights I have to put with 59 percent of my games

[rocky perch]

I like jungle but sadly I like graves whose sucks ass rn

Lethality is so strong his armour stacking doesn’t matter and ap just detonates him

His fucking W is a 19 second cd for a slow and short sited

Yk a champ that has tho too? Quinn

Yk who has better cool-downs? Quinn

[formal elm]

Jungle is one of those roles where missing a few camps just ends the game too

[rocky perch]

Eh I think you can come back from losing a camp or 2 fairly comfortably so long as you take objectives

It’s rough but fairly manageable

[mellow crystal]

if Collector was disabled in ARAM, a vast amount of people would be forced to learn they're trash.

[glacial pivot]

I don’t see how that would work

But if burn was removed from Aram people would never know what to build

[opaque grove]

crit is better than lethality atm

[formal elm]

she still strong af lmao

[dreamy snow]

runes need to be entirely scrapped and rebuilt from scratch because not only are they a variable that Riot has proven they have no idea how to balance around, but having more than 2 keystones in any given tree be viable on any champion in the game hasn't happened since their release

[opaque grove]

true, and ironically the way she was nerfed hit lethality harder than crit XD

[mint verge]

LETHAL TEMPO > > > > > ALL RUNE TREES IF YOU DISAGREE YOU PLAY CRAPPY WIZARD

[glacial badger]

i dont know if this is a hot take 😭 i feel like a lot of ppl agree w u

[storm moss]

Riot needs to grow the fuck up and learn what the community wants, not remove shit people liked. For example Lethal Tempo. (Not a hot take 100 percent true)

[glacial badger]

lethal tempo was removed for the same reason ravenous hunter was removed

[opal frost]

This just screams you cant play without Lethal Tempo

[storm moss]

yeah to be honest I loved my yone

stopped playing after that patch

[opal frost]

Yone is still strong top, its just that he can no longer duel early levels and has to play precisely better

[glacial badger]

lethal tempo was genuinely just an unhealthy rune

[hoary portal]

Hot Take: delete all runes and just play the base champions

[cyan zenith]

My core is frostfire sundered then either jakshos or FoN. It makes him somewhat viable.

[mint verge]

demolish is too important

[formal elm]

not a hot take

[mint verge]

honestly on second thought i'd be okay with it if summoner spells were removed too

[opal frost]

Lowkey, I want Old Runes back so the newer league players can suffer as much as we did

It was confusing asf lmfao

[trim crystal]

the first runes+quints you had to painstakingly farm up the IP for? where you'd put a single crit rune for that 1%?

[opal frost]

Yes

Jungle was also hard to clear if you didn't have the right runes

[trim crystal]

ye, ww was one of the best junglers just because of the sustain
(nevermind the pointclick ult lol)

[opal frost]

The point and click ult I think wasn't the problem, it was more how he blinked behind you

So technically he could dodge skill shots by doing so

[trim crystal]

well now he can follow your blinks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary portal]

id would say you balance the game around jg item and champion dmg to monsters. bc rn you balance around runes, jg item, champion dmg to monsters so you eliminate one to make it easier in theory

but this is in theory XD theory never works out lol

[dark aurora]

infront of you. ww placed himself ontop of and inront of the character he was suppressing.

[small nacelle]

why? because you can hit multiple people with the active? that doesn't usually happen, and divine probably offers more damage with the sheen passive.

[placid igloo]

I wonder if Riot thinks their game is balanced

Cos from a player perspective, I gotta say it feels as bad as ever

[mint verge]

id be okay with the game if it didnt have the damage it has today, the week after the durability update felt (at least for me) balanced

[hoary portal]

phreak thinks hes doing a great job

[hoary portal]

i miss that week, bot lane was so fun bc you could trade and still stay in lane

now if you trade bot or get traded on the games over youre lane is over

[mint verge]

and the seraphine support level 4 with 2 item components didnt deal half your hp bar in one rotation

[hoary portal]

and mantra karma q didnt just completely end your lane after laning one hit

[autumn bough]

It what kill tank for a year or so

[patent quarry]

Turrets should do true damage

[placid igloo]

Tanks should get a damage nerf overall, meaning base kit and items (I’d even like to remove both sunfires), but as a compensation they get an item, like sunfire, which has a passive that deals a huge amount of damage to minions, this passive has to be accessible as through a component item, but lowered of course, one other thing that passive does not deal any damage to champions, only minions and has an execute towards minions, this is meant to allow for tanks to wave clear without killing you, since that’s not the idea of the class

[mint verge]

mage minions should deal ap damage

[formal elm]

like smite item for junglers?

[placid igloo]

However the active of the item would have a 120 seconds cd and upon activation the tank themselves get 70% dmg reduction and bind all enemy units to them. Bind would be a new form of cc which would not be cleanseable, but QSS would work, furthermore it disables your ability to use spells and active items except for summoner spells, while being bound you’d be forced to walk towards the source, like a charm, and auto attack the target, like a taunt and are forced to auto attack the source with a reduced attack speed. For simpler explanation, it’s a mix of Charm, Silence, Taunt and Cripple

[placid igloo]

Not really cos it would be too accessible, in general the stats of the item would have to be kinda bad, like 450hp, 30 MR/Armor max

[patent quarry]

You deserve to be in a cage for that idea

[placid igloo]

No, it would just allow tanks to be what their class intended for

You’d have to rework a couple of champs and reduce the overall damage from tanks quite a lot for that but it would help them

The bind would only last 2s or so, same for dmg red, it’s simply meant to be a disruptive team fight tool without tanks having the potential to 1v1 players during lane

It would even be an idea to disallow you as the tank player from using any spells and items during that time

In order to have it balanced

[patent quarry]

I could see it maybe if it completely shut down the tank aswell kinda like malz when he uses his r. But even if its only 2 seconds the amount of burst in the game at the moment it’d be a instant win for the team that does it first

[placid igloo]

Well yeah and no cos it would actually allow for longer fights with less burst, sure assassins and skirmishes would be completely useless cos it basically means that one item disallows them from playing the game but they have counter play by flanking, I suppose you could even change it to be only visible enemies if it’s too oppressive against assassins

[severe matrix]

that was half a year ago 😭

[long bay]

bahahaha what does that even mean

[hoary portal]

yeah what does that mean, if youre building collector youre actually trolling. half of my games i see adcs build collector into two tanks and then go pepe surprised that they dont do dmg. just go IE LDR and your problem is solved jesus

[long bay]

they got collected one too many times and lost it

LMAOOOO

[hoary portal]

XD

[normal laurel]

not EVERY champ needs to be oversecualized, i get gamers are horny but ffs, lay off the "neuron activation" art styles

[opaque grove]

they literally did this years ago (remember when Taliyah got released?)

[hoary portal]

hate to say this but sec sells.. thats just the unfortunate fact and companies will use that to get an extra buck

[normal laurel]

"YEARS AGO"

[opaque grove]

It wasn't just Taliyah though, they've done it with quite a few champs since, but that was the start.

This doesn't even get into skins for existing champs (where they've mostly toned that kind of stuff down: look at old spalsh for Officer Caitlyn vrs. current one, they definitely covered her up compared to the older version).

[mint verge]

people getting in the game to see the almost nsfw skins:
me getting in the game to offend and tilt the most people i can:

[hoary portal]

lol i grew up in csgo and cod lobbies XD league tilt is baby food which is why its more funny for me than tilting

[hearty cove]

Idk if this is hot take but we should make morgana not garbage

She has just 2 abilities that matter

Maybe reduce her root duration and give w a built in slow and r a built in grounded

Her passive could also probably split healing with nearby allies

[hoary portal]

hot take here is thinking morgana is a garbage champion rn

shes hard to balance, that champion is feast or famine. dont you remember morg jungle game after game in proplay?

also its tank engage support meta rn so morg is not really seen

[hearty cove]

This is probably a colder take but morgana jungle shouldn’t exist

[hoary portal]

also also i think even the cait morg combo people prefer lux, she just offers more?

[hearty cove]

Just makes balancing her way trickier and morg players do not want her there

[hoary portal]

lol i agree with that statement, brand jungle and zyra jungle need to go as well

[hearty cove]

Lol true I don’t think aaanyone asked for brand. Most random champ to force into jungle

[hoary portal]

rell jungle was actually cool, but ofc riot had to force her out so now force brand out that champions stupid

[hearty cove]

One champ that I would like to see forced jungle is quinn tbh

Her clear is mediocre so it just needs a little speed buff. Also her w and ult scream “i am a jungler”

[trim crystal]

you make her any good in jungle and you make an ad version of evelynn

[formal elm]

dw they will make camille and gwen go jungle then instead

just like they forced zed and talon to go jungle a while ago

[rocky perch]

i want quinn dead in a ditch

i think elec quinn mid is toxic af

[formal elm]

with recall boots too lmao

that is the closest thing to hell

[hoary portal]

no man XD can you imagine lv 6 quinn just YEEEEEEEEETTTTTing in for a gank? thats going to be aids, though i dont hate that idea XD

[placid igloo]

She is just a black shield and jgl clear speed bot in every elo above Diamond

[hoary portal]

ever since ning won worlds on camille that its been knee capped

and now shes kinda op top so im praying they dont bring her back, gwen was also a little over picked and banned in the jungle it had like a 90% presence in games

[placid igloo]

Guys let’s talk about the real issue here: everything in league just deals too much damage and the game overall is in the most frustrating state it has ever been

[hoary portal]

uh i might have forgotten about her q and w combo burning 50% of someones hp not to mention her aoe massive ult. i dont think morg is a bad champion rn i think shes good where she currently is bc if she becomes a "good champion" we basically get a third zyra and brand which already is unhealthy

the game was fun after that little durability buff, at least it was fun bot i got to trade more often but power creep just happened naturally lol

[placid igloo]

The Q that never hits against players with a mouse and the W that you can just walk off and yeah let’s not forget that once Morgana is in the game the enemy can’t possibly split up to give her ult less impact or just flash out of it

[hoary portal]

okay if that is your take then every skill shot champion is bad, thresh is bad bc hes just a lantern to save adcs bc people can just dodge your hook and e. karma is bad bc shes just shielding and speed bc you can just dash or flash out of her mantra q or tether

[placid igloo]

That’s literally how everyone above Diamond sees those champs, if you have hands they aren’t a threat and don’t have any prio, I mean when was the last time that a good pro team has picked morg even tho her clear speed matches brand’s?

[hoary portal]

morg is in a good spot, i dont need riot touching her unless its a complete rework which im also fine with, her kit may be stale but its not bad persay. i dont need a hwei styled champion everytime something gets released XD im fine with something like sett... BONK

[placid igloo]

It’s just that the champ is useless except for her E everything else is too situational

[hoary portal]

today, literally today BDS picked it into KC XD

im also pretty sure they picked it last night in the LCK though i may be wrong but i did see if in the east this week

[placid igloo]

They are a trash team tho

[placid igloo]

You aren’t wrong but she was fucking useless

[hoary portal]

theyre better than diamond players which is your whole arguement... and its a pro team? like wtf why does BDS picking it invalidate the champion? does Oner need to pick it or Canyon need to pick it for it to be considered good?

https://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/59/season-S14/split-Summer/tournament-ALL/

lol Peanut picked it last week, is he good enough of a player?

morg is in a decent spot, no need to buff or nerf her

or we get brand levels of aids like we did last season when she kept getting picked in the jungle

correction 2 seasons ago jesus its a wall of morg supp and jungle flex sheeeeshhh

[placid igloo]

You see there is this thing people don’t seem to understand which is the fact that BDS get bodied by G2 and FNC if FNC decides to not int, and that’s only domestic, it’s even worse internationally and the only reason they can have success is by having picks that accomplish something that’s usually difficult to do in an easier way so that they can play an easier game. It’s what many players and orgs do, they simplify their game and get surprised by it not working against better teams

Morgana jgl is one such thing, since her clear matches Brand and Zyra but it’s way less reliant on proper kiting and timing since your W resets on camps, meaning unlike Brand or Zyra your main clear spell is always up, making the accomplishment of your fast clear easier, therefore objectively worse teams pick certain champs to ease their own gameplay down to a level they can perform on

[hoary portal]

shes usually picked into Vi as a counter lol

im saying we dont need another AP speed clearly stand back and throw an ability at 200 range and just watch the world burn esk jungler. so no dont buff her please

[placid igloo]

As for Peanut picking Morg, it was literally vs FOX, the second worst team after BRO even tho BRO has their Brolievers, he can pick and try it but if you watched the game you just see him do nothing with the champ a Zyra or Brand or Nida couldn’t do

[hoary portal]

okaaaayy FearX is sitting at 6-6 rn at 5th in the LCK but go on

[placid igloo]

You should just rework her kit tbh, make black shield like a sivir spell shield but give it a way lower CD and do some QOL changes for her other abilities, cos otherwise morg can’t be good

[hoary portal]

sure, maybe a QOL rework im down for new things in league but fundamentally rn i dont think morg is in such an unplayable state or old kit state where that is necessary. theres layers to this which im sure both you and I have good arguements favoring or not favoring both sides

[placid igloo]

Bozo, it’s like saying T1 is washed cos they lost some games, it literally doesn’t matter, their players will not be at worlds and they definitely won’t accomplish anything in play offs, they get to rob some wins, it’s fine, but nth else

[hoary portal]

go off, we can invalidate all the statistics that we like with arbitrary arguments that suit your narrative. Its like Phreak all over again saying Rumble is a terrible champion in the jungle bc it had a 36% wr after you took out all the asian players.

If we just remove the fact that morgana is getting picked against or in matches with "bad" teams then there is no basis for a conversation. if your idea of a good champion is that the top 0.0001% of players ie the top three teams in the LCK or LPL and the top teams in NA and EU have to pick them then im sorry to tell you that 80% of the champion pool is garbage and needs a rework or buff.

SHyvana is broken in high elo right now but you dont see her get picked in proplay therefore shes a garabage champion? like what is this strawman argument? you evaulate the numbers and facts presented on the table at this current moment you cant just predict into the future and say XYZ bc you feel like it helps with your argument what?

Morgana right now in emerald+ is sitting at:

Win rate
49.15%
Pick rate
3.58%
Ban rate
11.79%

I think that damn well means shes perfectlly fine where she is right now and doesnt need to be touched

Even in diamond shes sitting at:
Win rate
48.75%
Pick rate
2.42%
Ban rate
7.44%

which is not far off

[placid igloo]

Sorry but what’s the point of analysing a team game that is heavily reliant on composition and tactics on a game mode that has neither of those 3?

[hoary portal]

okay my bad, wr ban rate and pick rate tell you nothing about whether a champion is good or not sorry about that. let me just come up with random hypotheticals instead of analyzing a statistical distribution over a large amount of data where vasts amounts of outliers that get normalized once your dataset gets significantly large enough

my bad, morgana needs a rework or a buff shes just terrible right now bc three people say so

[hoary portal]

it seems like you did start a hot take XDD

[severe matrix]

morgana is like blitzcrank balanced around one ability (Q) shes not forced to just use Q but it is a really good spell, next to her having the spellshield and a possible long CC chain so she is not weak shes just balanced more around one ability and not the full kit

her passive might be bad but i really like it late game you heal 25% hp hitting Q on a krug

[placid igloo]

Ye what’s a giant ass anti cc shield xd

[severe matrix]

i said shes not locked to one ability like blitz but she is not perfectly balanced around all 5

the spellshield is good maybe balanced around 2 is a better way to say it but idc i think you got the point

[placid igloo]

I mean yeah let’s analyse date that’s like 99.999% corrupted by players not being in the highest elo and therefore the missing skill of each party is heavily influencing the result, I don’t even think master players that are below like 400 LP are good simply cos there are so many of them that you can’t even think of it as anything but D1 with a different rank border

[placid igloo]

I get the point but yes Morgana is balanced only around one ability, being E not Q, if E lasted a bit longer, or shielded just like 20 dmg more she would be broken, cos all of a sudden the Morgana E out lasts a mage combo or smth to break that shield (except shield breaker like Renekton W, Blitz R, Rell Q) which means the adc can just free fire without being in any danger since everyone diving onto the ADC gets cc locked defensively rather than offensively and her R just means that more dive = more bad

[mint verge]

all of that for an offmeta thats 50% winrate and not that much popular

oh its tournament stats

[hoary portal]

okay nm then, if we cant use data to back whether a champion is good or not bc you refuse to acknowledge it bc in your mind the data is flawed then there is no basis for a debate my guy. if were basing this just off of your feeling or your feeling of what diamond players feel then sure morgana is not a good champion bc i have no case to say its good bc i dont like drawing conclusions base off of a small sample of support and jungle games ive played (to which i feel like shes perfectly balanced so there we go)

[placid igloo]

True, but still morg needs a rework cos the champ is just a black shield bot

[mint verge]

thats kind of neat actually

[mint verge]

i'd be ok with more spammeable Q's with less CC time

as long as they don't loop though

[hoary portal]

her kit is balanced around her potential dmg, her abilities are really telegraphed bc if they hit they hit like a tank.

[placid igloo]

No, I am basing it off of what the actual best players in this game with their analysis and coaching stuff think, remember those people get paid quite well to just read out data and evaluate power levels and to try them out if needed

[placid igloo]

That is if the enemy doesn’t buy mercs, wits end, steraks or QSS

[mint verge]

when i see morgana i go steraks mercs

[placid igloo]

Cos that’s normal and should be the standard for front liners

Against champs like Morgana or Leona or Naut

[mint verge]

yeah people say that tenacity is gone when the hp elixir gives tenacity and steraks is funny

(to be honest the tenacity rune was better than the one we have today though)

[placid igloo]

It was very needed to nerf tenacity tho

[hoary portal]

yeah theres no basis to continue disussing this between the two of us, youre down set on thinking morg is bad and needs a rework. two high elo anecdotals is enough to erase the stats generated by 10k players in the same elo. "bc 99.999% of these stats are ruined by bad players or some bs stance you think is right"

BDS vs KC were discredited bc they were a "bad team" and FearX just got lucky with their wins but are also a "bad" team so that doesnt count

If you build items that counter CC or bbuild MR the morgana is a terrible champion (no shit, if i also flash morg is also useless)

so idk, idk how to counter your shallow arguments XD

"morgana is a bad champion bc all you have to do is dodge her dmg and build against her kit"

I can say that for 50% of the supports. Zyra is bad then, Karma is bad then, Lux support is bad then, like what? what is this stand youre talking about its actually brain melting how thin and bad it is XD. Just because another champion or build is meta or overtuned does not make something else terrible, theres a reason why this game is hard to balance there are so many factors that need to be considered. You cant just say "oh if you dodge her dmg she does no dmg therefore shes a bad champion" XD

[mint verge]

cant argue with that

[placid igloo]

No she’s a bad jungler cos she gets resources and plays like a carry while having an unreliable kit to do so, the only reliable thing in her kit is her black shield which is her strongest ability and it’s fine to have a support balanced like that, but not a carry jungle.
To compare her to the other champs I mentioned earlier Zyra, Brand and Nidalee, they all have way more reliability in their kits and way more to offer as a champion. Zyra and Brand have way less committal skills, especially ultimates, since their ranges are higher and therefore they can actually lock down and zone out enemies reliably, throwing down their ultimates and leaving, still having impact, the Zyra Ult will always zone enemies due to the knock up, brand ult will always force the enemies to split up to not tank a bazillion damage, but Morgana has to be in their face constantly to get the stun and all the damage off. Compared to a Zyra snare and Brand stun, Morgana Q has a way more obvious casting animation and travels way slower, and you can’t flash it in, it will cast from where you started the animation, not the end, oppositely to Brand and Zyra. And the issue is that it has to be that way cos otherwise Morgana would be too strong cos of her black shield.
I didn’t touch on Nida all that much so I will do it here, Nida outperforms Morg simply by doing her job of perma invading and tracking the enemy jungle with wards and traps and even in late her heal and bonus attack speed have a way lower cd than a black shield, sure in a team fight it doesn’t have the same impact but if you get into a team fight with Nida without poking with your Q before you just intend the fight.

Again, against worse teams the weaknesses of Morgana get counterbalanced by the enemies not punishing the pretty bad and outdated kit of Morgana properly

[hoary portal]

[placid igloo]

That’s my entire point, she does nothing others can’t do better simply cos her kit is too heavily balanced around her E being strong, meaning the rest can’t be as strong as other champs in her competition, sure against worse teams it can work but that’s not cos Morgana is stronger than the others, it’s just that the enemy doesn’t punish her relatively E heavy kit properly

Imo, if you pair Canyon in Nida vs Milkyway on Morg, Canyon will just make Milkyway his pet and the fun part is it’s exactly the other way around if you swap the champions (yes I chose Milkyway over Xun/WeiWei cos I personally think Milkyway is China’s best carry jgl)

[hoary portal]

i have a diamond and a gm jungle mains that disagree with everything you just said. and since thats all that matters these days all i can say is youre oversimplifying the complexations of playing morgana jungle and only looking at the straight offerings like damage. Also like i said, brand and zyra are overtuned and broken in the jungle right now. you cant measure moragans performace against champions that are overtuned. Nid is a good counter point actually but just bc she offers an invading option does not make morgana a bad champion, just dodge the invades? easy

what if shes banned? what if your laner missed his stun for nid q? what if the enemy jungler warded and tracked you all game and you couldnt invade? what if the enemy support was suppressing you in the jungle so you could farm? what if you pick a bad fight as nid and fall behind and now you dont do dmg or offer any utility to your team? id argue nid's kit is just her Q in both human and cougar form she offers little utility to the team. what if what if what if

So again, all youre arguments are baseless, its off of feeling and theory and not backed by actual gameplay or stats (which let me remind you, you yourself said was useless for some reason).

Also lol no way youre using a hypothetical game to justify that morgana is a bad jungler (again she might not be meta right now but shes not a bad jungler shes just right where she is right now). To can play at the same game. If Milkway had Knight and Bin mid and top constantly countering canyons invade and putting him even or behind milkyway or the milkman simply just counter jungles but tracking canyon and avoiding him early game (morg has a faster clear speed than nid) then morgana in the end wins this hypothetical game bc in the end its a hypothectical game and anything can happen and you shouldnt be using it as a basis for why a champion is good or bad XD

[placid igloo]

You see, that’s the issue with your statements, yes you have to compare her to Zyra and Brand cos that’s what she has to deal with if she wants to have impact as a jungler, you can’t just say “they are overtuned and shouldn’t be considered”, cos yes they are too strong but no it does directly influence the performance of your champion and how they perform against any other champion, if it’s good it gets played if it’s bad you need a good reason to pick it.
Yes you should use hypothetical game states to map out a game, cos yes you can’t predict a game but if you couldn’t have a general feeling as to how a game should play out then you can’t ever draft team comps, cos yes in theory Jhin and Leona should get push against Caitlyn Alistair if they abuse the Alistair lvl 1 but no that doesn’t happen if suddenly the enemy team decides to 5 stack bot lane for 2 mins and gives up all of the map. Sure if you draft Nidalee without having prio lanes invading will be difficult but yes there is counter play if you simply cheat prio by simply running mid with your support on a roam timer. The idea of this entire discussion isn’t to look at X or Y scenario but rather the overall in a vacuum, and in a vacuum with no other information given a Nida beats a Morgana 100/100 times if the Nida player understands their champion, cos yes you will be tracked by traps and yes you will be invade and yes Nidalee will be a pain in the ass. When comparing X to Y champ you look at the match up in a vacuum and then try to figure out ways to swing it in your favour by either drafting around it or running certain set ups that allow you to get an edge. Btw about missing Nida Q, idk if you have ever played Nida before but what you do is that you pick conq and run red smite to have a slow on your first auto which should allow you to hit the Q, even if you miss, it’s not that much of an issue during a gank, cos you either get a dominant position and can wait for your Q or you get the push out and reset

[opaque grove]

worse, Quinn's rotation speed makes Rammus jealous.

[formal elm]

as a rammus main rn I can confirm hecarim udyr lilia and other speedy champs that are NOT OKAY make me very jealous

[opaque grove]

Quinn would make even them jealous though, she can legit perma have 600+MS

out of combat at least

[vague arch]

udyr is fucking disgusting

[placid igloo]

Aatrox is a disgusting champ, literally ints the entire game, has a 4K gold deficit, misses his sweet spots and can still have impact in the game, like idk he allows you to disconnect your brain from your hands and have success, rework him as soon as possible, thank you

Absolute dog water human specimen homunculus experiment rodent mixed with an extra pinch of cringeness, edginess and human failure type of champion (disclaimer: only the champion and its design, not the players)

About the rework:
Leave the passive as it is, just increase the cd later on, take off 50/25/0 range from his Q, make the Q scale with bonus AD instead of total AD and lower the numbers, give his W actual value by reapplying the slow if you walk out, give his E an actual cooldown and make it so that it gets reduced when hitting sweet spots, give his R bonus HP and lower the bonus AD to 20/27.5/35%

Cos as it is right now, the champ is just a low elo skewed, low risk high reward champ that might struggle in lane but for some reason has a neutral game as a bruiser, even against ranged champions and scales well into late game, something most bruisers shouldn’t do either

[rocky perch]

rly iv always felt hes in an awkward spot ad too squishy to reasonably get in and AP dmg just isnt there

[formal elm]

playing against iron udyr then

[rocky perch]

prolly but idk ik hes meant to be strong but just never see it

[formal elm]

who do you play

[rocky perch]

pantheon, graves, ornn

also play cursed mid picks

[fallen dock]

wasn't Camille a pretty goated jungler in pro for a couple years when her E could extend and stun jg monsters?

[hoary portal]

yes, they had to nerf it off her kit after ning won worlds on it

same thing with pantheon W being able to block tower shots, after beryl won worlds on it riot took it away

(whatever that shield was E or W i forgor)

[rocky perch]

leblanc is overtuned to fuck

[opaque grove]

old W passive

[gentle junco]

t1 fans are delusional freaks, they are worse than mdk kc fnatic and tsm fans combined

[formal elm]

not a hot take pretty chill tbh

[gentle junco]

idunno xD the amount of death threats im getting from bullying t1 fans on facebook and reddit makes it feel controversial

like on a good week where my bullying is succesful i get atleast 10+ dms and threats from t1 fans wanting my address so they can bomb me

[stark mason]

If there's any aatrox players in here I'd like your opinion on Naayil buying Black Cleaver first item instead of Eclipse or Profane Hydra

What's the reason Cleaver should be ran first item?

[opaque grove]

Seems like a perfect buy if you're laning top vrs. a tank that will rush an armor item 1st item, otherwise I'm not convinced it's the best choice, but it's certainly not bad. In general items with hp+AD+AH in decent amounts are very good on Aatrox as 1st item choices.

[stark mason]

You think most matchups like camille garen darius etc still require for you to bring Eclipse for laning phase if you want to build bruiser?

[opaque grove]

I've not personally like Eclipse all that much on Aatrox, feels too dmg heavy and lacking in defenses (the shield kinda compensates for this, but it's not always going to be well utilized and sometimes you might not be able to even get it before being bursted in a bad situation.

I feel like one 1st item choice people might be sleeping on for Aatrox would be Spear of Shojin.

[stark mason]

What's your thought process behind bringing it first item?

[opaque grove]

Spear is again, a good mix of AD+hp+AH and the passive basic AH is very well utilized on him too.

(even the ability damage passive is useful for him too).

[stark mason]

I'll do some testing in that case

[opaque grove]

the balance of gold values in those stats is good too (55 AD, 20 AH, 300 hp)

[stark mason]

What's the build you usually bring?

[opaque grove]

I am theorycrafting here (I don't actually play current Aatrox much, but I know how to build on most champions because I am a jack of all trades player (I play a huge variety of champions across all roles)

[stark mason]

Fair enough

[opaque grove]

After spear, I would probably vary item choices a bit depending on the game and what I feel I need. In general, Aatrox builds like a bruiser, so you want some defenses (enough that won't explode for trying do your job) and the rest of your gold goes to damage. Generally, you are more concerned with your damage against squishy targets unless you're sidelaning against a tanky enemy often.

spear->cleaver might be really good as a core build tbqh

you'd have lots of AH at 2 items and plenty of hp+AD and % armor reduction too

[stark mason]

isn't building items like Steraks/Eclipse also what Aatrox build off of wel?

[stark mason]

Hmmmm true

Would it be a solid pick into most matchups or more matchup specific?

[opaque grove]

Aatrox's natural healing from damage actually gives him a bit of a preference for items that give resistances, but hp is still better earlygame for tankiness because it works against both damage types (and versus true dmg too)

[opaque grove]

I feel like that build would be fine for most games as a core, after that you vary depending on the game, but DD and Maw would be common choices I suspect

[stark mason]

What's your opinion on Lethality Aatrox currently?

[opaque grove]

He doesn't really have any damage avoidance tools and the way lethality itemization is set up, it's hard to get much defenses with them (and a small investment in flat pen is harder to justify with armor's level scaling where it is these days), so there is little reason really to run lethality items on him, perhaps exception Seralda's as an alternative to cleaver (so you get the pen up front instead of having to stack it).

[stark mason]

Yeah agreed

I've yet to find success with lethality rush

[opaque grove]

lethality aatrox is like lethality renekton. It can be scary and snowball well early, but it's hard to leverage that outside of lane.

bruiser pays a pretty modest cost in damage for being significantly harder to deal with and scaling better into skirmishes/teamfights later on.

[stark mason]

I'll see how Sojin then Cleaver works

Is it still worth building eclipse after?

[opaque grove]

naw, you need resists and more AD after that mostly

[stark mason]

Currently one of the best Aatrox players in Korea is just building conq with Eclipse>Sundered>Bcleaver>Overlords/SpiritVi>Steraks

I've had success with the same build but I'm just wondering why Naayil builds Cleaver first

Is it just better coverage like you said?

[hoary portal]

why is this in a thread about hot takes?

[formal elm]

exactly what Im thinking lmao

[hoary portal]

maybe its a hot take that you shouldnt talk about off topic subjects in a subject binded thread

[formal elm]

true maybe playing aatrox and thinking there is skill involved is the hot take

[hoary portal]

or that you need to actually find a good build, like going full support items on him wont stop him from one shotting you

[formal elm]

bro can miss 2 q’s and his pullback but he lands his last Q and one auto and he goes from 20 hp to full again

[glacial pivot]

I think if morg E was like a more durable malz shield, it’d be better.

[long bay]

yeah this champ is infamously op (ive never seen it do anything)

[placid igloo]

It’s ridiculous how people still think that while the way aatrox plays in lane (sitting back, poking you down, etc) is just the exact opposite of what his class should do. It’s basically an AD mage with healing, which is a nightmare to balance since it doesn’t matter if you miss your entire combo at 700 AD cos you still have autos to deal damage, sure you don’t deal as much damage as you could, but imo you should just be useless on every champ if you don’t play for your win con, aatrox is just one of those champs that are unhealthy and uninteractive to deal with as an enemy

[long bay]

what does that even mean sitting back and poking you down

you'd rather he 100-0 you?

[placid igloo]

I’d rather have him to stick to the design restrictions of his class, namely that he sucks in a neutral environment and has to get a lead

[long bay]

you mean assasins

the champ is easily kitable and dies before he can do any damage

[placid igloo]

He isn’t supposed to be an assassin

He is supposed to be a bruiser, so him being tanky makes sense, his Q having 625 range doesn’t

[long bay]

hes not tanky lol, he builds lethality items and eclipse

what champions do you play

[placid igloo]

Ehhh are you 8 patches behind or so?

[long bay]

what are you saying? look on op.gg multiple of his most frequent builds are eclipse and lethality items

and notice how you actually didnt reply to one of my question

[placid igloo]

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/aatrox
https://mobalytics.gg/lol/champions/aatrox/build
https://u.gg/lol/champions/aatrox/build
https://www.op.gg/champions/aatrox/build?hl=en_US

fun how there is an overall of 19.3% which build lethality, which is like 2% lower than just one that goes bruiser

[long bay]

https://lolalytics.com/lol/aatrox/build/ @placid igloo

his highest winrate build is eclipse profane seryldas, idk where you got the 19.3 from becasue even on op.gg thats his highest winrate build

you still havent answered my question lol

[placid igloo]

Highest win rate =/= most optimal and the 19.3% is the pick rate of all the builds that use a lethality item combined

[sharp veldt]

always look at most common over winrate, winrate builds are usually situationally niche

https://leagueofitems.com/champions/266 you can look at how often he builds items here

[long bay]

the top ranking aatrox players are all building lethality

[placid igloo]

Cos I don’t have any preferred champs, I mainly played TF, Zero and AD Nida top lately, and yeah you can kite him out with them quite easily, still sucks to know that you’re dead if he hits one Q that has more range than your auto range, but yeah even when playing other bruisers it feels getting poked out over 600 range while you have a threat range of like 400 max

[long bay]

its a 14 second cooldown level 1, idk you sound like youre really low elo

[placid igloo]

The highest ranking aatrox otp on euw plays mainly bruiser, except for certain match ups

[placid igloo]

Yeah and drops to 6 seconds on lvl 9, with a bit of haste that’s 4 seconds, which means that it’s always up since the cd start running off after your first cast not the 3rd one which is why it’s sometimes better to let it run out to have ranged Q up faster

[austere escarp]

*after every cast

[rocky perch]

upcoming senna change looks trash

[weak latch]

You can 1trick any support and climb.

[formal elm]

keyword “real” supports like lux or brand or blitz or leona

[ornate dew]

"real supports"
"lux"
🤔

[gentle junco]

lux/brand/xerath/velkoz are not supports! if they get picked in support spots youre nothing but a mid main who sucks at farming. you throw spells in lane and litterally dont do anything else after that. every single mage support is the same

[ornate dew]

word

[oak vigil]

Jungle is overpowered

[weak latch]

I don't think it's matter of sucking at farming. Certain cbamps are played support because they simply fit better in the support role as if they were played mid. It would generally be a bad pick.
People complain because most players are of silver or gold, when a champion viability doesn't matter.
For example if velkoz were to be played mid in low elo, it generally would not matter. But if you were to play it in higher elo, like masters. You would generally wanna play it as support.
This is why azzap plays it support even if before he was played it as mid. As it is more viable as support.

[glacial pivot]

That pfp tho 🗿

[oak vigil]

tick tock heavy like a Brinks truck

[glacial pivot]

Hypnotizing

[mint verge]

as someone that's studying game design, i truly believe it's a fault in league's game design that it takes so long to unlock all champions. while most people will stick to 3-4 champions, taking a year or even possibly more than that to unlock all of them isn't really something great.

[sharp veldt]

it's only gonna get worse unless they randomly decide to make BE a reward for winning (which would be pretty fucking nice)

[severe matrix]

First win of the day should be way more or there should be 3 daily win rewards and maybe every 5 games played gives some small amount of BE

[opaque grove]

eh it's not awful, if anything it encourages to invest some time into each champion as you unlock them and learn them at least a bit.

It gives you something to work towards too

I liked unlocking champs and trying to learn them when I was newer at the game.

Even 4-5 years into it, I still liked to unlock a champ I didn't yet have and spend some time learning how to play them

now I own all champs and get to unlock every new champ right away and my BE is still pilling up....

[white swan]

Change the map back to how it was before, midlane is too friggin wide now

[mint verge]

this issue would be a lot lessened if practise tool had all champions available before any purchase. this would make new players/players testing other champions able to play them before using BE

which in my opinion it makes literally 0 sense as to why practise tool does not have all champions available

i also have other problems with the game as in its design, specially the tutorial completely lacking even the basics of how to play the game, but that's not something i'm willing to type an entire paragraph of

[glacial pivot]

Wait Leonel spitting even if they want LT back.

Champs being really hard to get, especially new one being so expensive for new players and a lack of tutorial only push new players away from game

[mint verge]

i just want my invader LT volibear jg back

[mint verge]

league hasn't been welcoming for new players ever since i started playing it, 2019

let's ignore the toxic community. new players don't know what they're supposed to be doing

i find it a big, big flaw that the game doesn't even mention jungling in the tutorial

new players not knowing about dragons/voidgrubs/herald/baron and what they do is a big deal

[mint verge]

the only clue they can find about it is by checking the unlocked spells and seeing that smite works on jg camps

[vague arch]

Yeah the tutorial is complete dogshit

[opaque grove]

LoL needs a proper tutorial and maybe something akin to DotA2s built in system for finding coaching/help with the game.

[full lichen]

if you are below dia, most of your beliefs aren't right, you don't understand the nuances of the champions interactions and you should consider yourself as a "beginner" and be open minded to new ideas, no matter how surprising you think they are

[lost wedge]

you would think this is obvious tho lol

but delusion and narcissism runs rampant among league players especially low elo where they cant even comprehend that they arent amazing at a game they never really tried to even get good at

[hoary portal]

see id say its below Masters XD. i think azzapp said something like how the game truely begins at masters and within the masters gm and chal ladder, masters are considered the true "low elo" diamonds are like play ins and the rest are just casuals XD

i taught some of my friends the basics of league when the pandemic started, at that point id had been playing for a couple of years and peaked diamond. but i never thought i was good enough to coach them pass a certain level. its like i could teach elementary school but im not going to pretend be a college professor with that skill set if you know what i mean

[runic stone]

every 3 months implement a system for sona/janna players to drop a couple hundred LPs and restore balance to the soloq🙏

[white swan]

Remove all enchanters and ranged champs so we can beat the shit out of each other in peace

[rocky perch]

twitch shoud lose all ap scaling

W causing a near 100% slow is the most unbearable thing in existence

[mint verge]

no funny E one shot build

[ornate dew]

make every champ trundle

[severe matrix]

best way to make every single player quit, smart

[mint verge]

trundle mains not quitting:

[severe matrix]

All 7 trundle mains trying to find a match

[mint verge]

all morgana mains when they can finally play the game (morgana isnt banned 90% of the matches anymore because everyone is trundle now)

[severe matrix]

morgana players using a reskin on trundle to be happy

[torn lintel]

Make every champion model Yuumi with unique animations.

[mint verge]

https://tenor.com/view/league-o-yuumi-yummi-moments-league-of-legends-yummi-fishy-fisyy-catlyn-gif-22056432

yuumi garen vs whatever that is, i think its yuumi caitlyn?

[frank geode]

this is the first time in my life where patches have completely killed my motivation to play the game
but opening up patch notes and seeing my shit get nerfed every 2 weeks when there wasn't a single solo q elo bracket where it was that crazily gamebreaking
i cba i cba
call me when they realize they went way too far in spam nerfing over their precious pro play that nobody watches
also, phreak is the worst balance team lead of ALL TIME because ive never seen a series of patches so inelegant and clumsy in fixing a pro-play only problem in my 10 years playing this game
imagine if when mages were op bot lane they got this treatment
the only difference would be those champs were ACTUALLY good picks in solo q also

[lilac lynx]

Not sure if this is a hot take. But aside from chess, league has the best match making/anticheat of any game I have ever played in my life.

in my 10 years of constant play, i only encountered a handful of cheaters, i cannot say the same for other games

[fiery compass]

it would be really weird if this way true considering there has been a very high numbers of scripters before the launch of vanguard

and since you say 10 years that means you were around in season 4 which was by far the worst season of league in terms of scripters with over 10% of high elo players being banned for scripting with the introduction of the anti cheat back then (didnt have anti cheat before)

its much more likely you just didnt know they were scripting because its really only obvious if they are kiting at 3 atkspd while dodging every single skillshot

[lilac lynx]

Yeah but season 4 I was new, so I didn't know. Past that, barely any cheaters

[placid igloo]

I want banner of command back, the one where it gave 100% magic immunity not the -70% dmg red

Imo we could even bring Mimion Dema back with 9 stacks

[mint verge]

this happened to me

I was a Dr Mundo Jungle player, I used Lethal Tempo + Titanic Hidra (even pre season 14) and I legit had fun playing the game, I enjoyed it. But then Fuckiot Games decided to change his E, butchering his nearly infinite sustain and removed LT, then they introduced mid season making tanks even more miserable. I just miss silly big purple guy on steroids

[glacial pivot]

Isn’t Mundo literaly stronger than ever with heartsteel titanic?

[opaque grove]

He is quite good now, but you have to build differently, and his offense tends to kick in later in the build.

[fiery compass]

Its definitely not like in cod or bf where you meet one every other day, but before vanguard i still met like 1-2 scripters per week

[rugged depot]

Rylais is VERY good on Viktor

[tepid plover]

PvE champions are broken. Heimer, Zyra, Ivern, Yorick. I get they need their summons but they do WAY TOO MUCH Yorick is probbaly the prime example of turbo op summons

[fallen dock]

I love losing half my healthbar by getting hit by a single Yorick E when he's building lethality

[white swan]

Yeah if you don't have a decent AoE spell the ghouls are really obnoxious. Also kind of dumb that Maiden regens HP, if you can't kill it it's like playing a 5v6 with a massive tempo swing to Yorick

[tepid plover]

The maiden is tankier than yorick is which makes 0 sense, also why does yoricks not have a life timer like tibbers, Daisy, Voidlings etc

[sharp veldt]

cuz yorick isn't a champ without maiden lol

same reason why it has almost a 3 minute cd early

gotta play around it

[tepid plover]

Ok but what im saying is His E cast speed got buffed, if you have low atk spd you cannot kill the ghouls easily. If you get walled and he has maiden youre more than likely going to die, he walls you runs away whilst his maiden kills you and he walks up for the random 600 q. It's not healthy

[gray path]

Skarner rework should be reverted

Purely for selfish reasons but also because he used to be so diverse and have the option to build whatever whenever, now he is very cut and dry and doesn't even feel right to play

[ornate dew]

i actually disagree with the last point as i feel skarner is smoother now, but before the rework he just felt like home

he was clunky and he was old but he felt very different to play if you know what i mean

[sharp veldt]

similarly I think old ASol was so much cooler and way more interactive/fun to play

current asol just makes me sad cuz they took the awesome space dragon and made him feel awful

also big up eminence 👍 good show

[white swan]

I always liked playing with ASol, so I like that he's "playable" now

[heady ledge]

okay Imma boutta put my hot take here regarding reworks, especially Asol

because I damn well know not even 90% of yall even touched the space dragon

Whenever there is talk about reworks, are there some parts of an old champion we miss? Certainly, I was a swain/fiddle main for a long time, with asol being the first champ I played way back in january of 2017. I miss old swain's ult design, and fiddle's bouncing birds, but I do know that these reworks do these champs justice

as for asol, I played him quite a lot when I first played league, mainly because I looked at his design and went "ooo, dragon, imma play it." His gameplay was unique, yes, and although it didn't show it, it was skill expressive due to its constant need for positioning, which I thought was pretty cool.

But to say his old version was better is absolutely ridiculous. I miss the spinning balls but god forbid it also gave way to some of the most frustrating gameplay loops for a champion I ever played. It's a similar deal that I have with one of my mains, bel'veth, I love her design and thematic but loath her gameplay (only for her reason it's that she is busted beyond all belief but I digress)

Asol was miserable. I loved playing him, but god forbid he felt awful from a gameplay experience point of view. He was countered by 2 things, cc and mobility, which SO MUCH of the roster has, especially midlane. Get up to his face and unless he has stun or ult to get you away from him, he was pretty much dead. Additionally, unlike other champs with a similar loop like syndra with her own shoving and stunning, Asol had NO OTHER WAYS to fight people inside the range of his passive.

And let me get to another champion, Aatrox, who if anyone else remembered was deemed as unironically the WORST champion in league, down to the decimal (I am not even kidding his scalings were super weirdly specific). After he was reworked and admittedly felt nothing like his old version, I understand the disappointment for his lack of onhit and attack speed and being more of an ability caster, he felt SO much better than his previous rendition.

I feel like people go "I miss when x champion was before rework" out of either one of two things. Maybe they WERE an alltime main, which is understandable, you learned the champ through and through so a sudden rework is bound to make you feel iffy about it (I have a friend who was an oldschool akali main who feels the same way)
But most of the time, people wish a champion wasn't reworked is also due to a common occurrence where riot's new champion releases tend to be fairly strong. So, very quickly, people get annoyed with playing against the reworked version, to where they wish it was the old version so they didn't have to fight the rework itself, and the popularity increase of that champion as a result also plays into that.

this especially goes for asol, who went from "jump in his face and easily murder him" to all of a sudden in one faithful patch in early 2023 to "now he's annihilating entire teams in two ability casts." People were annoyed of getting godzilla-beamed for all their health by holding down one button, and that's understable, but that by no means guarantees that the pre-rework version was any more fun play, you just had more fun fighting it until the rework.

And I am not saying how counterable a champion is dictates how fun it is. There is a fine line between a champion having counters, and so many other characters in the game having one or two of the tools that counter you, to where it feels nearly impossible to play in some cases, which was Asol's problem. There was so much cc and mobility in the game at the time that it was too easy to prevent him from playing the game.

if a champion is countered by a commonly fundamental part to a huge portion of the roster's gameplay, it's going to need changes.

Sorry if this seems ranty but after playing him for so long, I know the bullshit playing asol felt before his rework for a LONG time, and this same kind of logic can be applied to other reworks too.
Besides, at least for Asol's case, they didn't change his already perfected design and character, still the space dragon we all know and love, but now he actually feels like it, and more importantly feels FUN to play from a gameplay standpoint.

[heady ledge]

Oh and P.S. he wasn't just countered by nearly all the roster, he was countered by the MAP

HE COULD NOT HIDE IN BUSHES. WHY IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF POSITIONING AND VISION, NOT EVEN USABLE FOR A PARTICULAR CHAMPION?

[sharp veldt]

not sure that's a hot take when that's how p much everyone felt about asol

I don't care about playing against him at all, I just think his new gameplay loop is painfully boring to play as

I get he has a higher pickrate and he's more viable or w/e people wanna use to justify a successful rework

I just personally do not like it at all.

[sharp veldt]

the whole "he's fun now" is entirely subjective cuz I don't wanna play an AFK scaling mage

[opaque grove]

tbh, I didn't fee like he was all that miserable to play. I do think original Asol needed 1 particular QoL buff (which he later got after his first rework, which was allowing Q to be detonated midflight). Old school Asol w/ toggleable W was awesome, and I miss that version of him, his first rework was probably more of a midscope in modern terms (W was CD based instead of toggle (riot went a toggle killing spree and has removed basically all of them from the game and idek why).

[rocky perch]

adc mid needs to be perma gutted

tristana mid is some of the most unengaging laning experince of my life

[opaque grove]

Tristana mid is probably not a good thing but I think the bigger problem is Tristana has actually just been OP for a while (legit she was strong like 3+ seasons ago and has received mostly buffs since then (only nerf was to her base range, being lowered early game but still really long late).

[sharp veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1119802118476406874/1283314485356003400/image.png?ex=66e28b40&is=66e139c0&hm=5551346a4bafcaaec8dc8bf7a74c858de5702121997b872502e1a6ec5593bab1&

it is 👍 if it ever pops up again it will be gutted again 👍 riot don't like it 👍

[heady ledge]

I go by how fun a champ feels to play and how true it stays to the champion's identity (visually or narratively) to determine how good a rework is

if we really went by how popular a champ got for how successful a rework is, the fiddle rework wouldn't have been considered as much of a masterpiece as it is.

but yeah I get the "fun" part being subjective due to people finding their own niche with certain playstyles, and a drastic kit change like aurelion does affect that

same can be said with reworks like galio and skarner since they do feel very different from their old iterations, Galio being more so.

[glacial pivot]

I don’t think it’s a hot take

But any champ that can utilize rylai a is broken and there’s no changing that.

[glacial pivot]

Old asol was genuinely fun and unfun. It was so goood but you could be so easily punished.

Now with new asol Yuo just click E on waves until you eventually just fly in with ult and win a fight. It’s sooo boring and his Q often feels lame to use.

[mint verge]

LETHAL TEMPO IS BACK LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'M SO HAPPY ITS THE BEST RUNE EVER

[rocky perch]

good its incredibly unhealthy

[rocky perch]

ur whats wrong with league lethal should stay dead

riot agrees since its effect is different

[sharp veldt]

now just get rid of every single bot lane mage and we can all be happy

[rocky perch]

adc mage yh i can understand that but tbf i think theres less magedcs than mid adcs

veigar adc do be stinky tho

[mint verge]

cry about it as hard as you can

[rocky perch]

gladly lethal gotta be one of the most unhealthy runes iv ever seen

made mu like trundle unbearable

[mint verge]

my policeman volibear with "lemme breathe" emote ksante will hit so hard

[rocky perch]

brother what

[mint verge]

did you not see the new ksante emote

[rocky perch]

why does it exist

[mint verge]

idk but i'm for sure spamming it with policeman skin

[fallen dock]

The fact that they called it "lemme breathe" instead of "K'opium" or something is crazy

[mint verge]

honestly imo this is just proof that riot doesnt really care about racism and are just racist themselves people do racism in league every day and nothing happens to them and then they release K'sante Floyd emoji

[heady ledge]

never said he wasn't broken.

[worthy sparrow]

ivern is broken and has been broken, but we dont want to talk about that because hes an approved wholesome 'unique' enchanter nonhuman champ. if he were an average attractive human the community would realize that hes giga omega busted and talk about it more. but nonhuman champs are far more immune to criticsm because for some reason western league community is obsessed with design rather than balance.

also applicable to: kled, zac, kindred, taliyah, anivia, poppy

all consistently strong picks, but whom are not ever talked about bc their designs and playstyle are 'approved'

meanwhile we have to have the same trillionth argument over assassins or brusiers or adcs bc they are made up of conventionally attractive humans who western league playerbase love to hate

god forbid we go a single patch without talking about fiora or irelia or zed

if you talk about adc balance, never fear! we are going to talk about kaisa v neck instead bc thats for sure relevant to the game i think!

if ksante or zeri were monster champs with the same kits we would see half the criticism about them that we see right now. (they would still be broken dont get me wrong)

[solar tapir]

garen is balanced

[white swan]

@worthy sparrow decent points, play rate is connected to the cosmetic design and "power fantasy" of the champ. So if you don't like monsters or being "strong enough to win but not 1v9" then you're more likely to pick Zed or Jinx

So you end up with strong, possibly "OP" Champs that never get the nerf bat because you only see them every 100 games

[solar tapir]

garen needs a buff to his range and armor

[white swan]

Doesn't really fit for Jhin or Garen right now though, so it's a lot easier to say the balance team has no fucking idea what they're doing this season

[solar tapir]

actually serious take but i think teemo should be removed or atleast get all of his abilities reworked

just keep the ult since its actually kinda good for jg

[glacial pivot]

For jg 💀

[glacial pivot]

I think they are also not talked about because they are some of the champs in the low pr usually. Taliyah is almost never above 2% pr unless it’s masters+ .

Anivia in just broken but not played because boring and kled is just underplayed.

Poppy and Zac have no excuses for being as broken as they are though

But kindred sees popularity spikes so she’s seen in patch notes occasionally, way more then the others

[rocky perch]

i wouldnt even call kindred broken rn but i agree she falls in the same category of "no seen much=perfectly fine doesnt need changes" vs yk convetional champs to hate

also my hot take

theres nothing interesting about heimerdinger hes beyond boring and should be reworked

[fallen dock]

Playing him is boring and playing against him is also incredibly boring since he just auto shoves wave and almost undivable while shoving you under tower, especially in top lane

[rocky perch]

buff endgame singed

this guy does no dmg at that point

[desert acorn]

i fucking hate vayne

easily most broken adc next to draven

actually fuck adc in general the players who play it are 80% apes

[sharp veldt]

[rocky perch]

adc players are the second biggest copium huffers next to jungles

[vivid sinew]

ngl Vayne as been more a toplaner than an adc for ages. she does pretty bad as a botlaner

[rocky perch]

she shouldnt be vayne top will always be toxic af

[vivid sinew]

ranged toplaner just shouldn't exist imo

[rocky perch]

real

[dawn plume]

ive been doing pretty good vayne bot

[vivid sinew]

good for you

[mint verge]

Riot Games should do what Pokemon Unite did, they took the most unhealthy characters and made then unpickable in Ranked and only made them available again after somewhat nerfing them

[solar tapir]

riot should buff sion.

riot should buff gragas and make 3 new gragas skins.

[solar tapir]

i agree with you.

ranged toplane should start with 1ap and 1ad.

[fallen dock]

Honestly, true. However that brings up his whole balancing dilemma of if they buff any part of his kit besides his W shield strength and explosion damage, it could lead to lethality Sion being better. They buff Q damage/ratio? Lethality Sion. They buff R damage/ratio? Lethality Sion.

[solar tapir]

just make his W passive give 10 hp per unit kill

[fallen dock]

Okay that's a bit too far

[solar tapir]

how

[fallen dock]

Hell if you buff that it might make lethality Sion stronger since he'll become even more tankier naturally which means AD Sion builds with no tank items at all do well

[solar tapir]

oh yeah

just make sion impossible to build lethality then

[fallen dock]

I've always thought about that idea on if they make champs unable to build certain items entirely, especially with random shit like Locket Varus popping up recently. But then people would bitch and moan about build diversity and how their champ has zero of it

[solar tapir]

we,l

they should rework sion then and give him more skins

[fallen dock]

I don't think he needs a rework, maybe a few touch ups to his kit but his kit fits his thematic fantasy and plays out well in practice

[solar tapir]

ohh

i think my opinion as a iron 4 is more valid.

sorry dude

[placid igloo]

Maybe a hot take but I actually think riot gave up on balancing the game

Cos I have never seen a more unenjoyable and frustrating meta than this one

We had fucking Nasus and Garen in pro play as valid picks

It just shows a terrible path of failure for league, cos it’s never been this easy and this uninteractive, once you’re behind the game is nth but frustrating and certain champs just don’t have the ability to get ahead in early

[severe matrix]

give him magic damage

[severe matrix]

theyre throwing a piece of paper and which ever cup it lands in is what they change

theres more to the easy champs being busted but it comes down to terrible balancing i think
at least ranged top should be gone

[fallen dock]

But where? His Q and R doing magic damage wouldn't make any sense from a gameplay AND thematic standpoint, and his W and E both already do it

I guess they could buff E base damage but that's really it

[autumn bough]

we aint revive ap sion

[severe matrix]

they gave ksante R magic dmg (changed soon)
akali is 100% magic dmg which isnt right either

theres plenty more but i cant think of stuff rn, thematic can be partially ignored if its more balanced theyve done that before

[autumn bough]

akali make sense

[fallen dock]

At least Akali doing magic damage has the excuse of her knives being magical or whatever

[autumn bough]

ksante didnt make sense give ap ratio

[fallen dock]

K'Sante doing it is because, yeah I don't got an excuse

[severe matrix]

he uses 0 magic hes just a man and phreak said heres magic dmg but luckily itll be gone

[severe matrix]

i guess but i would say its 4-1 at least, 3-2 even better

[autumn bough]

none of his ablity scale ap

[severe matrix]

lead balancer said so

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163942140175470682/1284221877778382912/ripksante.gif

[fallen dock]

It's like Katarina doing magic damage, it's just magical knives or whatever

[severe matrix]

kat has some form of bond wit her daggers which is magical akali hits people with them, there should be some form of physical dmg imo but its whatever shes an assasin those are full ad or ap

if theres a lore expert somewhere the answer would be clear

[fallen dock]

Katarina's daggers are infused with some form of blood magic (like Vlad's magic) which kinda bonded her to them so she can blink to them and shit

Idk about Akali's specifically but they MIGHT be infused with Ionian spirit magic, which could be a reason for the magic damage in-game

[severe matrix]

fair enough

[sick mesa]

Holy mother of fax

There is no point to jungle. It is a mentally taxing, unfun and unrewarding role. They need to give junglers something special for it to feel fun to play because its genuinely just horrid rn. Alot of the high skill jungle champs also just suck butt rn

Buff jungle to the moon rn

[fiery compass]

for me the problem with jungle is that the only champ who is actually fun is lee sin and hes just absolute shit compared what he used to be

[rocky perch]

pls kill lethality caitlyn

incredibly unfun for her to sneeze in my general direction and delete me cause she has 2 items

[echo bolt]

build armor

[worthy sparrow]

pls buff caitlyn

incredibly unfun for my team to pick her every game and go 0/11 bc shes the worst adc in the game

[wispy ingot]

[pseudo mirage]

please nerf udyr, disgusting to play against for top lane

[ancient pollen]

lol fr
i wasn't around to know what mythics caused in the aftermath for complaints and eventual removal,
but in essence what mythics do (with the additional bonus stats (various and unique to each different mythics) stacking with other legendary items) is that they:
a) grant bigger benefits to the minority that are actually able to build accordingly depending on the different team comps, game states, etc., compared to the blatant meta copy-pasters
b) widthen the potential build varieties, and in some instances even incentivize hybrid building, which is ten times cooler to see than an op.gg of a maining animal whose last 20, or 200 games all follow exactly the very same build every single game on the one champ they keep spamming (to still be stuck)

proper itemization should be as important as any other skilled aspect of the gameplay, be it spacing, cs-ing, map awareness, or whatever. and it just isn't to enough of the extent, that it could be, and mythics definitely extrapolate the itemizating aspect of skill.

[rocky perch]

nerf karma

been sleeper op for a while

[runic stone]

udyr leona jarvan

i think i said enough

[worthy sparrow]

facts.

[rocky perch]

zyras cringe too

support champs are just some of the most disgusting mfs but they get slept on cause of the role

[dreamy snow]

almost every pro player is bad at league.

to be more articulate: they are horrifically underperforming compared to how they should be expected to this late into the games life cycle. zero understanding of things like beneficial tactical inflexibility, their itemization and rune building is a disaster, constant draft errors, etc..

i'm not ignorant to why these are widespread issues, and to be fair, they aren't all the players fault. a lot of stringency with management and league poorly choosing to not adapt or improve it's competitive training environment don't help; but there is a cut off at a reasonable point where the players are not learning how to critically break down the gameplay of league in both more structured, and less structured ways. the mentality towards improvement and learning with almost all pro players across every region seems to be very linear in nature, and stuck in a huge rut.

[worthy sparrow]

western teams bad at everything yeah. eastern teams are very good at micro, decent at macro and their itemization is horrible. their drafts are inflexible, but they can execute those drafts well so hard to put that as a strike against them. overall much to be improved on, but i dont think 'almost every pro player' is bad. in the western leagues yes, in the eastern leagues its hard to look at someone like chovy or keira and try and claim that theyre bad at league of legends.

[rocky perch]

red kayn needs to die in a ditch

rhaast is very cool but hes literally the only option anymore and hes too strong as is

[dreamy snow]

my stance isn't that the 98th %ile are bad compared to peers, i think that even they are still below what i feel should be an expected standard of performance overall at this stage of the games lifetime. obviously, that becomes even more pronounced with pros that have a duller edge than their leading peers. starcraft is a good analog for how far a moba-like strategy game can be pushed by the player; which does not have this rutting issue. again though, i'm very aware of how much the influences outside of and around the players affects that growth, but some things are unforgivable- itemization and runes being the most glaring example across all regions.

[fallen dock]

The patch has been out for like 17 hours calm down

[rocky perch]

He’s been pretty much the main choice last patch too

[fallen dock]

(although def agreed Rhaast is so much better now)

And thank god bc I pretty much only play Kayn to play Rhaast

[dawn plume]

Did they do something to rhaast?

Or is it cuz they butchered assassins

[opaque grove]

Rhaast's been the better Kayn for most of Kayn's history in the game tbqh

[dawn plume]

Yeah i know but theyre making it seem like he got better

[opaque grove]

Blue Kayn has only ever been a win-more option at best

I think they partially un-nerf his healing % a while back

(it was kinda gutted for a bit)

[dawn plume]

Shadow assassin being bad is kinda sad tbh its the more fun form

But only works if you already snowballed your brains out and theyre all squishy

[rocky perch]

red kayn too strong rn and blue is way too weak

[mint verge]

i'd rather have strong op red kayn than chemotherapy cancerous blue kayn spammed every game

[dawn plume]

Idk man blue kayn gets blown tf up

Rhaast just kinda eats everything till his giga heal cant keep up

[white swan]

If Blue Kayn is strong that doubly screws over Mid and Bot mainly, as if Kayn can get blue form first he's probably already killed the ranged champs

Red Kayn is usually easier to get anyway as melee champs have more HP and are more likely/easier to just brawl with base form Kayn early

If red form is "too" strong then yeah, tone it down. But I've always liked playing with Red Kayn more than Blue

[glacial pivot]

Let him cook

[worthy sparrow]

blue kayn problematic in the same way that nocturne problematic

just become completely oppressive for any squishes who need to iso farm to the point that u just have to completely give all farm on the map

not healthy gameplay bc for squishes gameplay completely ends if they get fed. this wouldnt be a problem if VOICE COMMS EXISTED but riot doesnt want voice commns so we have unhealthy gameplay styles that exist in the game that wouldnt if we had any semblance of a real competitive solo q environment.

is annoying

as jg playing against noct/blue kayn game just becomes perma shadowing your carries bc they need to be able to farm, which means giving up half your farm as well. its just so completely unenjoyable and tiring.

and the onus is on you as jg to be able to predict where they will appear, which u cant guarantee getting right. theres no proactive gameplay, youre just reacting. so bad.

voice comms pls. at least add them to d4+ so that the more casual players dont have to deal if they dont want to. would help develop the pro scene too.

[bold shell]

vc but for EVERYONE

i believe that people should be exposed to it from the start even bc it would foster way better communication early on

[opaque grove]

I agree that the game needs VC, despite knowing full well that it will be used for toxicity. Mostly because it humanizes our experience with the game which will overall do more to curb toxicity than encourage it.

[glacial pivot]

Hot take

Life steal should be removed from the build path of botrk.

[sharp veldt]

true nerf that dogshit awful item even more 🙏

[rocky perch]

i will admit it is kinda ass to see an irelia whose megainted become a global threat cause shes bought bork

[dawn plume]

Thats her only spike though

Shes kinda butt once late game hits

[opaque grove]

not if you itemize correctly on her

[white swan]

Irelia pretty good late game

Like a 2 item Irelia can straight up kill the ADC and Mid in a decent team fight, and eventually will outpace the top laner they were inting to

[vague arch]

Irelia vamp scepter = full build

[zenith matrix]

Kaisa should be more like Kog'maw with build paths. Yeah sure making a hybrid champion is fine-ish but it's not fine when you can build pretty much any AD or AP item and it'll be the exact same damage output. Like come on Riot! I think it would be 10 times more fun if kaisa played like a poke mage if she went AP, or a burst adc when she goes AD!

[rugged depot]

buff talon and qiyana pls

[gentle pasture]

It fuilled a whole in sheen users kit.

Healing...
It made camile and wukong, just... Not die

[bold shell]

talon and qiyana are both getting buffed next patch so

[rugged depot]

wonderful

[gentle pasture]

Burn

As the number 1 kai'sa hater.
Champs passive is nuts.

[autumn bough]

That is legit ezreal and smodler

[dark aurora]

i dont know if youre serious or not and a 6 hour late response. but ap kaisa was removed for that exact reason

[zenith matrix]

i didn't phrase it correctly it was 8AM and i was tired. I didn't mean to be a poking mage with JUST her W, that was what happened with zeri and it was very annoying an unfair. I just meant to make her something else than a hybrid ADC that can build anything and still have the same damage output

[zenith matrix]

huh didn't know there's an AP Smolder build

[autumn bough]

Be erased

[zenith matrix]

Wither

[hasty hearth]

I'll share 2. Skin muting should be a feature, and minion block by your own minions should be taken out!

I remember having a lot of fun and relative success in season 4. But wasn't that era also part of the disgusting Sona and Raka heal meta? or am I thinking of 5?

[opaque grove]

are you referring to ardent censer meta? That happened in season 6 as we were in playins of worlds iirc.

[dawn plume]

Not a hot take

ad assassins are crying for help rn

[opaque grove]

I feel like the class is mostly fine (Qiyana as a champ hasn't been doing so well these days, but Talon's been fine)

[dawn plume]

Idk i feel like talon's been pretty underwhelming, in mid at least.

Naafari's the one who i think has been doing okay but thats just because naafiri is a training wheel and that shield is quite the headache

[opaque grove]

I just noticed Serylda's lost the lethality it used to give

that might be why AD assassins are feeling worse now.

[dawn plume]

Most likely

Shadow assassin kayn is also quite miserable to play if you arent CONSIDERABLY ahead

Played 2 back to back on rhaast and SA and it was night and day

[vivid sinew]

I just feel like most midlane champ are weak except Yone / Syndra

[dawn plume]

A lot of mid lane champs r strong

[vivid sinew]

ad assassin are mostly bad and ap mages items got gutted so?

[opaque grove]

He's had that problem for a long time, red Kayn has basically always been the better form.

[vivid sinew]

the problem is that blue kayn would be too good in low elo if he was buffed imo

[tepid heath]

I have 1 take. Ardent Censer meta was the best meta.

[opaque grove]

and Naafiri isn't?

[vivid sinew]

is Naafiri rly that good in low elo ?

[opaque grove]

She's stupid simple to play and very good at all-ins, much like blue Kayn

[vivid sinew]

yeah but way easier to punish even for low elos no?

[opaque grove]

idk about that

[ornate dome]

trash Yasuo mains

[opaque grove]

really, low elo is unavoidably a mess anyways

[ornate dome]

is it still good to Ban those who hovered Trashuo

[ornate dome]

do you Ban Trashuo in any rank

[opaque grove]

No, I play him XD

[ornate dome]

what happens if i Ban it cuz knowing my deep hatred for Trashuo is High

[opaque grove]

I'll probably play Yone in the same position (usually bot lane btw)

[ornate dome]

play Aurora plss would help a lot of players

[opaque grove]

idek how to play Aurora XD

[ornate dome]

just press R to Win

[opaque grove]

might work in derp elo, but I get matched with...decent...players

[ornate dome]

whats your take in those like who Bans Yasuo mostly

[opaque grove]

They don't understand Yasuo and how easily he can have his plans foiled.

[ornate dome]

Like some players get really mad if i Ban their hovered Yasuo

its like for them end of the world no Yasuo No win LMAO low elo is like this

[opaque grove]

In general you shouldn't ban your ally's hover, you don't know if they're going be mr. 0/10 or mr. enemy team Yasuo...

[ornate dome]

i swear to God Low elo players just want to play Yasuo well not today i always Ban it whenbever i did they keep saying Your a Asshole and dick

[opaque grove]

I mean, how else do you improve on a complex mechanical champion than by playing them tons??

[ornate dome]

i dont trust trashuo anymore my anger boils up against that champ tbh

[opaque grove]

he is good at making people angry

because when he wins it feels illegal and when he's on your side and loses it feels all too common...

[ornate dome]

no one uses Trashuo on my watch Hover ban nope then they get super toxic haha like crazy at me they say Wow man why, others say dude seriously

[opaque grove]

I used to main ADC but I also played bot lane Yasuo a lot so whenever enemy got Yasuo 9/10 I'd make him look like he was iron IV even if he wasn't even that bad at Yasuo because I knew exactly how to screw up his plans..

[ornate dome]

yas is easy but i dont want to team up with him ever again i wanna mess their hovered picks

[worthy sparrow]

conspiracy theory: riot is releasing expensive overpriced skins not only to make money (their primary concern) but also to distract people from the dogshit balance and game design thats been happening under phreak. people are so obsessed with these cosmetics that dont affect them at all that theyre too angry to focus on the actual problem of game balance. this also results in a bunch of free advertisement for the skins and more profit, and less complaining about how bad the game is.

it also is proof of how casual the western playerbase is. people have more outrage over shit that doesnt actually matter because they dont actually want to play the game, they just want to fuck around in arams with cool skins.

[pure willow]

Riots buff and nerf requirements are not how they actually determine if a champion should be nerfed or buffed.

They nerf and buff something based on player ban rates and overall community frustration. Fizz hot patched removing 31.66% ap taken out of his Q and w while all the new items that made him strong that patch were nerfed along side. I said it a year ago, and ill say it now. Fizz will need a buff but the community will mass ban him out of frustration of lane rather then his overall weakness as a champion right now.

[dawn plume]

What is with you and banning your teammates champs

Its cringe stop doing that shit

[bold shell]

you are an asshole for banning your teammates champ

[dawn plume]

They were talking about doing that once with garen jungle too

Its weird

Better hope thats not my champ cuz id run it down

[hearty halo]

divine sunderer needs to come back rn

[rocky perch]

singed needs a dmg buff

i feel like when i have 4 items and gwen has 2 and a 1/2 i should be out dpsing her but yk

also gut caitlyn into a ditch

[tepid heath]

Assassin items are so bad, they need a complete rework of items and/or buffs

[ornate dome]

its better to do that than risk an LP LOSS

want a very bad yas? No of course not

[trim crystal]

please let people live a bit longer without the constant PTSD from assassin meta when riot was buffing lethality items with all but one lethality assassin having a positive WR in D+

[fallen dock]

Well how about you stop caring so much about that and let other people have fun? Yes you play ranked to win but playing video games is about having fun first and foremost

[ornate dome]

no i wont let them play what they like tbh want me to lose another game with trashuo of course not

also another case of a terrible Garen JG pick rather than Skarner

[fallen dock]

The world doesn't revolve around you, they're not picking those champs to make you lose, they're picking those champs to have fun and to win as well

[dawn plume]

And most likely because they actually know how to play the champ

All im saying is, if you ban my champ for the sake of banning my champ im banning yours and running your game down

[wispy ingot]

it's just actively sabotaging your team if you ban a teammate's hovered champ

[dawn plume]

Youre already risking an lp loss for probably banning someones otp might as well secure it with some inting

[tepid heath]

I agree but if you were in my previous game inting with brand support and I get you in my next game I will ban brand

[ornate dome]

no they dont want to win in rank tbh im trying to win easily but they make things harder for me

i would not want a Trashuo on my team again especially an Garen main

[fallen dock]

They also want to win, just as much as you. And you're actively sabotaging your team by banning their champ

[vivid sinew]

looks clueless to argue with this guy honestly

[rocky perch]

blood thinks hes the next faker

[dawn plume]

I dont even know why they let people ban hovered champs ngl

[rocky perch]

Only hover banning I accepted was when ahri was getting griefed from the scam skin

[ornate dome]

never happened to me once tbh i keep banning Yasuo but no problem they just say why man just why i said play something else im already hate the champ so much

[cyan hearth]

The amount of LP and XP should be connected to your honor/toxicity level, that way if you are nice you climb faster, and if not you basically have to crawl. Probably the only way to solve toxicity in this game. Here is an example https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CVX23IyfCs4

[dark aurora]

i dont think that would really do much, it might incentivize a few but it wont affect league toxicity on a grander scheme

(also its a really bad idea to begin with. because enough people can essentially manipulate your gains/mmr.)

[cyan hearth]

It would if implemented right, if toxic ppl gain a really small amount of lp and lose a lot of lp, then they surely would be nicer. Regarding manipulation it would be possible but tbh very had to mess with someone. Unless they are a streamer or something and a lot of random ppl are messing with them.

Or to solve toxicity just ban ppl very quickly I guess 😄

[dark aurora]

no it wouldnt be hard. if you play anywhere in the d1+ region you run into familiar faces over and over again.

[cyan hearth]

Yeah but you can implement it in a way that the same ppl cannot vote on you

[vivid sinew]

streamer would just abuse it and then the game wouldn't get any fun so they will stop streaming it and it will be a dead game

I don't think you does understand that it would always be a way to abuse it

[cyan hearth]

You jumped to that conclusion very quickly lol, I don't think that would happen, sure some abuse might happen but if you implement it right it will be fine

[vivid sinew]

because it is obvious

[cyan hearth]

I hardly think such an implementation would kill the game lol

[vivid sinew]

all streamer would get else always reported or honored so the game wouldn't be fun for them and if they stop streaming the game is dead

[cyan hearth]

I disagree bud.

[vivid sinew]

great arguement here

[cyan hearth]

I'm not gonna debate this subject, with random ppl online, till the end of time buddy.

[violet mulch]

kindred made lol very popular among furries

[vivid sinew]

so what's the point even comming here

[rocky perch]

asol early is still too strong

bro meant to scale but he can very comfortably murder u lvl 6 if u arent an assassin and even then some of them die to it

[dawn plume]

This would not work

[cyan hearth]

I think Riot should give it a chance.

Cause I don't see a lot of ways to counter toxicity otherwise

[dawn plume]

Theres a command that completely disables that

Cant complain if you dont use muteall

And sometimes that 0/8 nasus still trying to 1v1 the 8/0 morde needs to hear it

[cyan hearth]

Yeah but I want a game where I can communicate, it's a team game after all. It's just that the communication is horrible because ppl are horrible. You should be able to communicate and not have other ppl be super toxic.

[cyan hearth]

Not gonna lie, ppl who think like you are the reason this game sucks. No he doesn't need to hear it, you don't change anything by being toxic.

[dawn plume]

Well if you dont tell him to stop feeding the morde your chances of fixing that go down to 0

If you are willingly just tossing the game and we're in ranked of course everyones gonna be pissed at you

Toxicity isnt good obviously if your mid laner is just having a rough day and is genuinely trying then thats fine but if i already told you to stop trying to 1v1 your fed laner and you dont listen im not gonna be nice the second time

You cant really fix that in league because someone whos underperforming severly affects the entire team thats just the nature of the game

[cyan hearth]

You can tell him to stay under tower, which is different from insulting him or being mean. Also you probably are not gonna fix him by saying anything, so being mean is just not useful, you make the situation worse, now he's gonna int willingly. You can be pissed, doesn't mean you got a right to insult and be mean, it's a game.

[dawn plume]

The fact that you can basically create raid bosses in here is not a helping factor

[dawn plume]

Well, like i said i always suggest something at first. If the guy is not willing to listen and just continues to feed it doesnt matter if he starts willingly inting hes already been inting the entire time

You are effectively hurting your entire team by playing like that and not listening is just gonna make everyone more upset

[austere escarp]

not listening makes them stop talking

very very few keep talking

[dawn plume]

Theres a difference between a 0/4 mid laner whos legitimately trying to play safe and an 0/8 samira who keeps charging at the 2 item adc with zero regard for her team even after being told to chill out

At that point everyones frustration is justified

[cyan hearth]

It does matter, cause by insulting him you make thing worse, he could be useful elsewhere, or later in the game, but no you had to be horrible to him, and now you lost. You could have been patient, tried helping him. Also regardless of what happens, you don't have a right to insult and be mean, never. It's a game. Also ppl love to act as if they got the best takes and advices to give, he is not obliged to listen to you because maybe what you said is not a good winning strategy either. Regardless you should never be toxic.

[cyan hearth]

Just cause you are frustated doesn't mean you get to say "get cancer", or just be mean in general.

[dawn plume]

Well if you wish cancer on someone then you're just insane

[cyan hearth]

Heard it many times bud

[dawn plume]

Im talking more on the lines of "pls stop fucking feeding"

[austere escarp]

getting them to afk can sometimes actually be better for your team

[dawn plume]

Exactly lol

1 less person for the enemy team to feast on

[cyan hearth]

They won't afk, they will int willingly, don't give ppl a reason to be toxic man.

[austere escarp]

no

[dawn plume]

League will always have a toxicity problem simply because of the nature of the game, one person feeding will absolutely ruin an entire team's game. Sometimes peoples anger is kinda justified

[cyan hearth]

Also saying this still doesn't help, and still makes it worse cause now he is gonna tilt even more.

[dawn plume]

Its also a competitive game so the "its a game" argument just doesnt work

Because... its competitive

[cyan hearth]

The anger is justified, not the toxicity..

[dawn plume]

People say irrational things when angry thats legit just the nature of a human being

[cyan hearth]

It's still a game, ppl shouldn't attach themselves too much to games.

[dawn plume]

Games have already tried extreme measures for toxicity and it has never ended well

Cuz then everything gets censored

[cyan hearth]

And ppl that can't control themselves should be punished

[cyan hearth]

Yeah cause ppl hate it when they can't spread hatred for nothing

[dawn plume]

Look the game's been very objectively toxic for about a decade and a half now and nothings ever gonna fix that its just not worth it. They already hand out chat bans for people who go to the extreme and ive also had people banned for some of the shit they say in chat. Thats about as good as its gonna get

The game is competitive and as such is tilting and humans are irrational beings so they will be irrational in chat

At times it is justified but extreme toxicity is never justified

... which is what people get banned for

You can quite literally get permed for telling someone to off themselves

[cyan hearth]

Yeah that's why ppl should be punished for it, hence why this system could help ppl.

[dawn plume]

Thats a lot more harsh already than a lot of other games that arent considered as toxic

You tell someone to off themselves in overwatch or valorant and they hit you with a few matches chat banned

[dark aurora]

that system helps no one, really.

well, i lied. ironically it probably helps boosters.

[cyan hearth]

Toxicity is never justified, idc how mad you get about a game, that does never give you the right to be mean, and if you can't control yourself you should be banned, simple as that. Learn to play with other ppl or don't play.

[dawn plume]

Or conversely if you cant handle someone behind a screen being mean to you then you can either mute all or log off

I just mute all

[vivid sinew]

so you want 9/10 of the player base to stop playing ?

[dawn plume]

Im a jungler so... i will experience a lot of toxicity

Dont see me crying for change thats just how competitive games are

Just mute all and let the toxic people tilt themselves out of the game because you're ignoring them

[cyan hearth]

Yeah I do that too which sucks, I want to communicate and win, not mute all and do my thing. Also it's hard to handle toxicity behind a screen if it's every game man.

[vivid sinew]

that's actually how you pass emerald mental test tho xd

[cyan hearth]

If they are toxic, yes

[dawn plume]

They are words on a screen written by people who in total will be around you for 25 minutes of their entire life

They should not affect you

[vivid sinew]

doesn't look like a good business plan

[cyan hearth]

Bro, if random ppl insulted you a lot it would affect you. I mean idk about you, but a lot of ppl commit suicide because of cyber bullying. Yeah ppl writing meanness is different from being face to face, but still it makes you mad.

[dawn plume]

Bro you are reaching here, cyber bullying is a completely different entity

[cyan hearth]

Idc about their finances, and the system I proposed could just help them keep their finances and improve the game.

[cyan hearth]

It's the same principle

[vivid sinew]

definitely not and they are a company they only care about their finance

[dawn plume]

You experiencing toxicity in a 25 minute league of legends game every few matches =/= 24/7 harrassment possibly by people you know and people straight up trying to interfere with your life

Not even the same realm

One is because you did bad in a game and one is people literally just attacking you constantly for something you cant change

[cyan hearth]

I didn't say it the same, I said it's the same principle as in just because it's meanness behind a screen doesn't mean it doesn't affect you

[mint verge]

about toxicity and rewards... no, it's a stupid idea

[rocky perch]

lulu is overtuned af and needs to go

[gentle pasture]

And Soraka

[gentle pasture]

Half the enchanters suports are played afk. The other 25% are played by pussies.

Go play a tank support and go in like a giga chad.
And you no longer need to fear assasins.. Just cc them till they get a afk warning

[rocky perch]

Adcs are low-key either the absolute best or the most dogshit players in a match

Rarely do I find myself with a bot lane that has a sorta even back and forth

It’s always stomp or be stomped

[opaque grove]

^ This is very true and it's not about ADC skill, the bot lane is the most snowbally lane on the map because there's 2 enemies to kill and an unprotected turret (unlike mid+top that take greatly reduced damage in the first 5 minutes) to farm plates off of.

[heady ledge]

Ambessa doesn't seem that bad.

[rocky perch]

Riot operative

[dawn plume]

Role is snowbally af

[rocky perch]

It really shouldn’t be like that

[heady ledge]

nope

only thing to me that looks unecessary is the built in armor pen, the rest of her kit is fine given her only form of hard cc is on her ult, and she is mostly just damage and mobility, but not to the point where she instashreds tanks like gwen no matter what she builds.

[rocky perch]

Not the built in lifesteal too?

[heady ledge]

the lifesteal makes sense, she is a full aggro champ, so being rewarded for aggressiveness makes sense

[rocky perch]

Maybe but I rly don’t think it should be as high as it is

There’s a fair few aggro champs that don’t get that level of lifesteal

Iirc I saw she can get something like 52% lifesteal

[worthy sparrow]

the lifesteal is something to watch, but pen passives exist and have existed for a long time. see darius.

or panth. or morde.

[rocky perch]

Speaking on mord

I think it’d be interesting if they toned down his passive magic pen but let him convert ad into better stats for him

[rugged depot]

Zoe is the hottest league champ

[cyan hearth]

Dude she is a 10 y/o... and no her lore wise being 1000 years is irrelevant.

[rugged depot]

[rocky perch]

At least 2 tb on this man’s hard drive bait used to be believable

[dawn plume]

Check his files

[gentle pasture]

Both

Snowball Role with the most rabies filled player base.

Both support and adc just blame each other, and or the jungler.
Rarly looking at there own mistakes.

And then when they do make the mistakes. The enemy snowballs.

And also adc being a masochistic role in general.
Even if your good, there is a lot of Steps that need to be met before your actions have impact.
If your support is a rabies victum. Your playing at a disadvantage.
If your jungler/ mid are a rabies victum.. You get dived every 2 min.

A Very skilled adc can make a impact and win. Even with a bad team.
But that requires you to be a tier or higher skill gap.
Meanwhile top, jungle, mid. And even suport can have more early game impact even if they are on Par skill.
The role sucks to play as ( if not duo) , not the champs,
Buffing adc's will just make them go to other lanes.

[rocky perch]

tbf sometimes the mid is just playing a champ that cant follow their laner for the dive but i feel like bot just ignores pings constantly so theres that

[gentle pasture]

Legit "jungler is here" I'm going for grubs.
Bot lane died to him. They blame me.
I tell the they didn't know he was there.... I told them in chat...

Plastic 4 brain

[fallen dock]

I feel like the issue with the ADC role as a whole and the reason why a lot of them are so whiny is because the role itself is basically pro play/high elo jailed. It's rare that in like Silver soloq lobbies you have a team that plays arounds your scaling and peels for you, while in high elo/pro play if the team isn't doing that, they're basically trolling away their chances to win.

[opaque grove]

The fantasy of the role versus what it actually is like to play couldn't be more different and that I think has a lot to do with it (ADC is not the main character despite it seeming like they should be).

[dawn plume]

Adc really isnt literal death incarnate to play in solo q like people make it out to be its just harder because support is what makes or breaks the lane

If your support has ground beef for brains youre finished

If your support is good you fry them

Conversely, a good support with a questionable adc is somewhat manageable

Ass, but manageable

[worthy sparrow]

just get good.

[south pumice]

Pantheon need a tenchnucal buff

[rugged depot]

most "annoying champs" are only annoying because you never learned how to play against them

[rocky perch]

a what buff?

[pseudo idol]

there was throwing/wintrading in semis at worlds. no skarnr/jax ban, bad drafts, horrid throws

[pseudo idol]

a good adc will 1v2 the lane with an afk/brainless supp. see: egirl yuumi/chanter players

[worthy sparrow]

the only possible games bo5 which could have been wintraded was blg vs wbg, and i dont think it was just by how they were playing.

t1 vs geng was definitely not wintraded. for wintrading to exist there has to be outside pressure from the community. u have that with china bc chinese fans/orgs want a chinese team to win at all costs, so i could buy that they might have set up a wintrade (i dont think so though).

korean fans are pretty secure in their position, and whether t1 or geng wins, theres no benefit to wintrading bc most people think korea is going to win again this year.

i think t1 just is better than geng right now and skarner bans have heavily fallen off as teams have learned how to deal with him better.

• we've gotten to the point where the teams remaining have certain picks that are dangerous enough to have a forced ban dedicated to them.

t1 was forced to perma ban smolder, for example, bc if chovy ever got to play it the game was over from select

or canyon's nidalee which nearly solo carried game 4 to a win for geng, if not for lehends doing his best to make sure they lost

bin's jax is another, zeus' yone, keria's bard etc. etc.

theres just not enough bans to ensure that picks like skarner are always gone

[bold shell]

yeah if the adc is smurfing and enemy supp is as bad

[obsidian mantle]

most controversial hot take:

Support players are elo inflated
known fact but people cant accept it

[violet mulch]

So are otps but its not a very fun fact

[obsidian mantle]

i would say that is more accepted

either that or not recognized

[ornate dome]

Controversial is AUTOFILL JG

imagine going against a Veteran JG main vs newbie jg which is unfair

[tepid plover]

ksante is one of the most broken un fair champs to balnace and will enver not be good

[bold shell]

its one of the least popular and unfriendly roles which is an inherent problem in league itself beyond autofill jg

[ornate dome]

ikr

[rugged depot]

not controversial

[dawn plume]

Thats an ice cold take my man

Nobody likes ksante

[severe matrix]

I don’t like him I love him true

[gentle pasture]

The wierd thing is they tried to make a Defensive tank into a offensive skirmisher

It doesn't mesh well

It's going to be figured out eventually

It might take a few more big ksante patches. I used to love playing him at launch.
But he wasn't op till they Buffed his E and changed the item system.

At launch he was fucking painfull to play for a while.

And then he turned into Thanos a 2 weeks later.

[burnt elbow]

Shaco should be removed from the game

oh it's supposed to be controversial nvm

[rocky perch]

skarner is sleeper broken and needs to die

[opaque grove]

Speaking of statistics, if we have 5 champs, all of which have 53% WRs in their positions they are playing, what is our expected team win %? Assuming a highly idealized situation where the effect of each position's game win rate is independent (they are not), and that each position's influence is 20% of the team's total (also generally not true), then it's about a 55.61% chance your team wins (actually lower than I was expecting).

[rocky perch]

hot take there is no such thing as a balanced game with over a 100 champs and ur coping if u think its possible

its like saying modern tcgs are balanced when theres always some tier 0 nonsense

[carmine zodiac]

The funniest part of this is Riot August even said that League has very few true counters. The most egregious example of a true counter is Sylas vs Malphite where Malphite has an extremely low winrate into Sylas regardless of which lane he is in.

I found the video: https://youtube.com/shorts/GM3C2HHs1A0?si=FguRIIHR84irmP9b

[ornate dome]

Hot topic so many are still bad at Jungling despite multiple guides from YT and Proguides

[patent quarry]

You can tell someone all the right things to do but if they dont learn from it its useless

[obsidian mantle]

knowing something and putting that into use and using your knowledge correctly is completely different aswell.

[pseudo idol]

those guides are all horrendous. its nearly impossible to teach someone how to jungle. you either have the juice or you don't, that's it.

[hearty halo]

what

[wispy wraith]

U either got it or u dont

Hot take: League of Legends is one of the most balanced competitive esports games right now

[opaque grove]

this is not only a hot take, it's actually accurate.

[fiery compass]

i very much disagree, in higher elos i think this is true, not everyone can be challenger, but literally everyone with enough practice/learning/watching guides etc can get to atleast emerald

and saying that people who are stuck in bronze for 14 years are at their peak is just wrong they just havent tried actually getting good

[oak nest]

My most controversial hot take is

I think ambessa should have NEVER been released as a champion, and I don’t ever get why she is the centre of attention, nor do I get the hype around her? Why must she get so much promotion through arcane? She’s almost as if a side character, plus she is an old human lady, who hits on white men, and wants to avenge her daughter, there is nothing SPECIAL about ambessa. If I see another boring arcane human champion releasing, then riot is definitely going on the wrong direction! How disappointing..

Oh and also ambessa abilities in the game is boring, and basic! It’s just dash, and slash, literally no mechanic, nothing special, nothing fun, just a mobile champ, it’s really nothing to be hyped up for, riot needs to do better

[rocky perch]

Tbf you can dumb down a lot of champions with that kind of wording but I understand the point