#Ranked System is Broken

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turbid karma
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True, make new accounts start in silver/bronze like before and not g2 on fresh first promo.

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League recently has had probably the worst ranked system I have seen. No reason why a new account should be placing plat4 after like 8 games played with 50% wr

coarse gate
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Ranked matchmaking has been shit for almost a decade tbh. I remember playing ~30 ranked games in S3, it was pretty reasonable, I was probably placed lower than my true skill and climbed to S2 at the time failed the promo series got another failed that one too, didn't play more that season. In like season 8 iirc, I tried again, I did duo for part of it with my then GF (ADC+sup), placed lower and then climbed with negative WR and incredibly uneven games (legit we'd do ok or win bot lane most times, but top half of the map was mega gapped almost every game, still somehow won a few of those too 2v8s anyways). I hit Silver 1 promos w/ like a 40% WR climbed from Bronze 1 too, that was when I knew ranked matchmaking was garbage and decided it wasn't worth my time (I get far better match quality in norms where I'm clearly at an MMR I belong in and have only just over a 50% WR on the account).

meager canyon
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I mean, I had to play a ton of games to get to 30 to even be able to ranked placements. And my 5-2 wr from promos and games after would indicate I'm not some massive liability in these games. To the point that it's rather ridiculous I can play comfortably enough at high gold/low plat, yet on my main account, it'll never get out of silver because I get +18/-25 or worse.

I'm not going to be having a massively high WR on this new account where I'm climbing to diamond. I'm not that good. I'm not going to maintain a 71% WR either. But if I can play at that level, why when I go 4-1 in my promos on my main account, do I get placed Bronze 2. I swear half the people I've played with in these gold/plat games wouldn't climb out of bronze/silver either. These games are not any different than the ones I've played the last 6 years. I watched a Plat 2 Darius while 2 levels down stand in a Garen E while just autoing and not using a single ability until he died.

The whole point of this was, if I can play at this level, why, when I'm barely playing any ranked each split as it is. No more total games than I have on this new account from lvl 0, do I get placed in the same elo every split, and I get terrible LP rates every single split.

leaden magnet
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This is the system working as intended since you said you play less than like 60 games a split. U can climb ur original account if u belong in a different elo it will just take more games than playing on a fresh account, and u arent playing enough matches for that to happen. Imagine if you leveled an account to 30 and then lost 25 consecutive ranked matches: the account could still be ranked up afterward, it will just take significantly more games than an account where that never happened

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I dont understand how you expect the system to do anything but place you around the elo you were at in the last split/season each time if you don’t play enough matches for anything else to begin happening

meager canyon
# leaden magnet I dont understand how you expect the system to do anything but place you around ...

I dont think you realize just how ridiculous what you are saying is...

Getting +18/-25 is why i'm not playing more than 60 ranked games a split..

Like, lets just do the math... Lets say I start at Bronze 2, and I have a 60% WR, because thats pretty close to actual. And I want to get to Plat 4, ignoring Promo games entirely. That's 1000 LP needed.

With those LP gains/losses, do you realize how many games that takes?? It would take 1250 total games to reach 1000 LP lol saying an average of 30 min a game (which is generous, low elo games are longer), thats 625 HOURS. Over 26 DAYS of GAME TIME in a single split.

  1. I'm not a god at this game. I cant carry every game. And the people I'm playing with in these Gold/Plat lobbies wouldn't be carrying every game in Bronze/Silver either. Some of them wouldn't carry +50% WR. I've consistently been around 55-57% WR which is higher than average, but that hasnt ever changed my LP gains/losses.

  2. I'm a new dad lol I cant play 1250 games a split to just climb to Plat. The entire issue is that 6 years ago I was placed in a rank I maybe deserved at the time, but now the LoL ranked system assumes I haven't improved in 6 years and starts me at the same rank every time, requiring an astronomic amount of games to climb out to a rank I should probably be in now, and got to easily with a new account. I do not physically have the time, but want to play the game, want to play ranked, and want to use the Thousands of $$ of content I have on my main account.

There should be the ability to reset one's MMR and start fresh on the same account. And not assume someone hasnt improved in 6 years.

snow pebble
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I understand that this is a rant, but I have to add in that there were MMR resets both last season and this season. My friend and I were both like -20 +10 in split 1 and in Split 2 we were back to +25-25. This season was the same.

I've climbed through Silver for the last 6 seasons very consistently, and have gone through multiple phases with the worst MMR possible, and times when I had a really bad loss streak and demoted to S1 from Gold 4. Climbing is not just a skill thing. It's also a mental game. The skill difference between gold and plat, silver and gold, bronze and silver, etc. is not that far apart. What separates them more often than not is the will power to keep trying to win. I've gone from 50 games and a 45% winrate to 100 games and a 60% win rate. Mental to trudge through good and bad games, to play consistently, and to tryhard a win makes a big difference.

Also, allowing people to refresh their account's MMR would make the Emerald hell 2x worse. Nobody wants that.

upper vale
leaden magnet
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Will take longer than 60 games unless ur winning 80% of them though

meager canyon
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No one that is plat or below is maintaining an 80% WR. If they were, they would be on their way to Diamond/Masters. And at 60 games at a 55% WR, and the LP gains/losses not changing, means it would take an insane amount of time for those to change to the point the amount of games to gain 1000 is drastically altered.

At those gains/losses, after 60 games with 60% WR, you gain 48 LP.... 48. Forty-eight. FORTY-EIGHT.... at a 55% WR, after 60 games, 33 wins/27 losses, you LOSE 81 LP.

Thats BROKEN.

meager canyon
upper vale
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and is your win rate like 60% or something?

meager canyon
upper vale
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55 over how many games?

leaden magnet
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You can either play more or get a better winrate

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But ur not going to instantly climb by going like net 5 wins in 60 games

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Actually even less its like net 4 wins

meager canyon
meager canyon
upper vale
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no, because if someone is constantly playing, they are at that level.

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And on your plat acc, if you play say 100 games, you might go back down to silver.

leaden magnet
snow pebble
upper vale
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adventures in league this season: hit gold, enter 10 loss streak, go back down to silver, hit gold again. ;D

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You know riot wants you to lose when you get paired with yuumi bots or afkers, 4 games in a row.

leaden magnet
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I hit masters on an account that had been gold with 5-10 games played each previous szn and it only took me 300 games 54% winrate

meager canyon
# leaden magnet 1. Because ur account has been the same elo for years, it thinks u belong there ...

But again, thats the issue. If it takes an insane amount of games to adjust my MMR, I do not have time for that. Again, I'm a new dad. I dont have time to play hundreds or thousands of games to get to there. But I shouldnt have to create a new account and not be able to use my thousands of $$ of content just to be able to enjoy ranked without spending 30 days of in-game time to get to the same place I got to easily on a new account.

Allowing old accounts the ability to 1 time do a MMR reset solves that issue

upper vale
snow pebble
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No, it does not solve the issue. Look at what happened with Emerald. That is what you will get

meager canyon
meager canyon
leaden magnet
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Ur just delusional if u think it takes 1k

snow pebble
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Then you're not someone who is supposed to climb. Climbing takes time and effort. What makes you worth so much more than people who actually dedicate a lot of time into it?

meager canyon
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Wtf

plain oar
meager canyon
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Just because I physically do not have the time to dedicate a lot of time to it means I shouldn't be allowed to play ranked? I should be stuck in bronze? Wtf kind of argument is that

leaden magnet
plain oar
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Anyways accounts do get soft reset. Riot has already talked and dealt with the issue a while ago.

snow pebble
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No one said you shouldn't be allowed to play ranked. I said you arent meant to climb

meager canyon
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I dont even want to climb! I just want to play in the elo I should be at! Jesus.

plain oar
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If you are struggling to climb, you belong there

upper vale
snow pebble
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ah classic "BUT I BELONG HIGHER" after the whole emerald mmr inflation

upper vale
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if you play more on an account, you can fall.

meager canyon
upper vale
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you have an alt at plat. But if you played more, you could fall down to bronze. It's not unheard of.

plain oar
meager canyon
meager canyon
leaden magnet
upper vale
plain oar
meager canyon
plain oar
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It's too easy to climb in league and there is a huge issue with account being inflated.

meager canyon
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I never said 60 games should climb me from silver to plat

upper vale
leaden magnet
upper vale
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you preyed on the new players, got an mmr boost for rank, and a few lucky games to hit plat. Not really a real rank.

leaden magnet
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U can perform better or play more but u cant do neither and expect to rapidly climb

meager canyon
leaden magnet
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Not on new accs

plain oar
meager canyon
plain oar
meager canyon
plain oar
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Most of them will be playing in lobbies that they don't belong

upper vale
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it's not like that person who was away for 5 years.

plain oar
snow pebble
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The main problem you're having is that new players get to start at median MMR to gage where they lie in the ranked ladder. MMR is quite volatile at this stage.
Accounts with more games in them have more stable MMR. What is common between both old accounts and new accounts is that after enough losses, your LP gains will go in the negative (meaning that with a perfect 50/50 win rate, you will lose LP. This can be remedied by using Dodges and never losing at 0 LP, but at a much lower rate than losing a game at 0 LP.

plain oar
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No idea why someone who was stuck in bronze suddenly thinks they are a plat player after years of not playing

upper vale
meager canyon
snow pebble
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So, what does that have to do with your climb? It's that you haven't gone through the effort required to climb, but just assume that you require it because you're in a lower elo than a fresh account.

plain oar
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"I dont even want to climb! I just want to play in the elo I should be at! Jesus."

snow pebble
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And sure, you can say that your level is at the same as your alt account because "it's no more difficult compared to silver". This is the same reasoning that turned Platinum and Emerald into a hellscape after Riot introduced emerald

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I'm assuming that you created your new alt account within the last year?

meager canyon
plain oar
upper vale
plain oar
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Then what are you implying lmfao

upper vale
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after failing to hit plat on your main.

plain oar
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If not "I don't belong in bronze"

snow pebble
upper vale
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don't pros do Iron 4 to challenger streams with bought accounts?

snow pebble
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anyways, you can support your claim better by dropping your account btw

plain oar
meager canyon
# plain oar It's not?

Not even close. I said "I am not trying to climb to masters or some shit, I just want to play the game without losing 81 LP for a 55% WR"

meager canyon
snow pebble
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bro is actively ignoring me or has me blocked lmfao

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Did you make your alt account after emerald was introduced back in August of 2023?

upper vale
meager canyon
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Dude, you are typing 200 messages all with different shit. Stay focused on one thing. I cant reply to them all and the others with slow mode

meager canyon
snow pebble
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There we go. My point proven. That was during the rank mmr inflation which put the median at Gold2-Plat 4. Which was confirmed by Riot to be a complete and utter mistake.

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In other words, whatever confirmation you had from playing in that alt account was completely messed up solely because of Riot's MMR mistakes that actually INCREASED ALL LP GAINS PLAT AND BELOW!

meager canyon
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I made the alt account around christmas. I just finised Promos 3 days ago. And you're saying they havent changed anything since August of 2023

snow pebble
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yep

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They in fact only addressed it earlier this year, but have made only the change of removing the 10 loss demotion shield

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literally nothing else has been fixed and everyone has been crying to riot to revert everything. It's honestly awful and placing people who aren't supposed to be in gold-plat in these elos

meager canyon
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So I am 5-2 in gold/plat games, and your answer is "you dont belong there because riot messed up"

good one

snow pebble
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Emerald got the worst hit with literal Iron players somehow joining it. Anyways, you can claim that new account is plat and that you're a plat player. But that does not mean that your other account "deserves" to be platinum just because of that. You should still need to go through a grind to get through 1200 LP

snow pebble
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In fact, there was dude in another chat who had the exact opposite point of view from you. He believed that if you don't play 1000 games, you are not at your true rank

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Anywho, whatever your complaints about the system, if you don't have the time to grind it from Silver to Plat, then that account is just going to stay there. It's really whatever

meager canyon
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If you require 1000 games to be at a true rank, 80% of the player base wont be there.

upper vale
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so what if they aren't there? few games can be heavily skewed by bots, afks, disconnects on either team.

snow pebble
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If I can go from Bronze 3 to Diamond Promos with +12 -18, then I should expect at least a similar amount of effort for an account like yours

meager canyon
snow pebble
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Otherwise, just play on your alt for ranked and on your main for casual fun

meager canyon
upper vale
snow pebble
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I played 500 games throughout 6 months, I think that's doable as a college student lmfao

upper vale
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if you have other priorities in life, why care so much about the rank of one account?

meager canyon
plain oar
snow pebble
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Way to bring adhominems as well. Your problem is your oddly fixated mindset that you should be able to easily go to plat through pure MMR because you have neither the time nor the patience to grind an account up.

meager canyon
snow pebble
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Just play casual on that 4k$ account and give up on the sunk cost for ranked

upper vale
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you seem too obsessed over League for being a new dad. Don't you have something like a child to care about?

plain oar
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No that's literally how long it takes the Riot System to get you in your rabk

snow pebble
plain oar
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It used to be 100 games but now it's 30

meager canyon
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Gotcha. Mb

snow pebble
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Ay and that dude I was talking about made another post lmfao.

meager canyon
upper vale
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so, don't play games.

meager canyon
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what?

upper vale
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and your league acc rank is irrelevant as you move on in life?

plain oar
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I think the better wording would be like don't play games with the expectations that you can climb

meager canyon
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Cool now we've moved into life lectures lol thanks dick

plain oar
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Because you have a child, it's going to be much harder to climb without significant effort

snow pebble
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I mean why is it so important that you hit plat with your main with what seems like a small amount of League time? It's a pretty valid part of the entire reasoning for your post

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especially since you seem to have a new account to play ranked on anyways

upper vale
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(Why make a new account anyway?) Needing to unlock ranked, all the champs again, why go through that?

meager canyon
upper vale
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and was your main account not accessible? Like, aside from clowning on the inept (which isn't really fun) I don't see why someone would go through the trouble of making a new acc instead of just playing their main.

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And those same people would be like "it's not my main, I'll just feed."

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I'm sure I've won against at least one challenger by now due to all the smurfs.

meager canyon
# snow pebble I mean why is it so important that you hit plat with your main with what seems l...

Because I dont want to have to use a new account to play ranked on. I want to play ranked and use my skins and chromas. I dont want to play ranked to climb, I want to play ranked because people leave less, get less random FFs, game quality is generally better. I've been playing norms for 6 years now. I want to play something different.

There are tons of reasons I want to play ranked but dont want to have to use the new account to do so.

EVEN IF I wasnt truly plat, I want to find that out. Which I cant do on my main because its so old and had so many games on it. Playing from a fresh MMR, if I drop, I drop. And I get to find out where I'd truly stand. I think I should be in the gold/plat range, but maybe I'm not. I dont care. But I can never find out for sure without A) spending time I dont have, or B) using an account I dont have all my shit on

leaden magnet
meager canyon
leaden magnet
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I was and the gains improved as i went

upper vale
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wasn't the claim +12/18?

meager canyon
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and your MMR wasnt f'd

leaden magnet
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I had +20 -30 in emerald so ur completely wrong

snow pebble
upper vale
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ah.

meager canyon
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There's legit no way in hell you climbed from gold to masters in 300 games on 54% WR. Thats literally impossible

leaden magnet
meager canyon
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on +20/-30

snow pebble
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??? What no that's 100% possible

leaden magnet
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Its gold/p4 every season @meager canyon i got lp when the gains improved

upper vale
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not resets, I mean gains reset*

meager canyon
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yeah, after a 20 winstreak, exactly... What was your wr IN Gold/Plat/Emer?

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You didnt have a 54% WR the entire way up

leaden magnet
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It was a bit higher about 56% peak, u can tell i didnt just win all my games in emerald bc im not loss streaking in recent matches @meager canyon

snow pebble
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Well duh, you start getting 54% win rate the closer you are to your peak rank :L

meager canyon
snow pebble
leaden magnet
snow pebble
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also, still havent dropped your acc yet

meager canyon
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Context, my guy. Context matters

snow pebble
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context seems to only matter when it's convenient

meager canyon
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For you, yes

upper vale
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so I get 10 win streak followed by 10 loss streak (seeming to alternate.) My gains are all over the place as a result

meager canyon
upper vale
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on border of silver/gold

leaden magnet
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You can get plat in less than 120 games if u belong there at all, on any account that isnt iron 4 0lp +8 -30

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Gains will improve as u go (if they should be improving to begin with lol)

upper vale
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at iron 4, I guess win rate would be like 70% or something because of bots.

meager canyon
upper vale
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aren't we already in split 2?

leaden magnet
snow pebble
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No, we're in Split 1 for 90 more days

leaden magnet
snow pebble
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Anyways, way to just avoid things by saying "context" without any context or your account to back up anything.

leaden magnet
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U alrdy said u had the ability to play 100 games to lvl an account

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Apply that to playing ranked instead and ud be there if its where u belong at

upper vale
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yea why make a new account anyway? those 100 games could be on the path to platinum.

snow pebble
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also, seems like climbing aint for you. You gotta swalllow that pill.

meager canyon
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I said context because you took what I said out of its context and used it for something completely different as if the same thing was applicable in both situations when its not

snow pebble
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It most definitely is buddy

meager canyon
snow pebble
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Give me one good reason why it's not applicable to your own account that is not full of bullcrap

upper vale
snow pebble
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a lot of context you also conveniently leave out just to make your own point more justified

meager canyon
snow pebble
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including your accounts. Really easily backed by account dropping

upper vale
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They can't lock mmr, because you would face bad players (and climb, and you should.)

snow pebble
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and spent nearly 300 games on testing a theory.

meager canyon
upper vale
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thought it was 100?

snow pebble
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Ask Tempest who we watched do it within a month

meager canyon
leaden magnet
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Lmao that has never happened to anyone but ok

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Who here is a troll?

meager canyon
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Sure it hasnt

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Ight. Good chat yall. This one has seen its time. Have a good one

snow pebble
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"actively trying to piss you off". I wish your child well, and that you mature past this victimizing mental as they grow.

upper vale
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I worry for the future.

coarse gate
coarse gate
young roost
# meager canyon No one that is plat or below is maintaining an 80% WR. If they were, they would ...

I started season with a 93% winrate from gold 3 to Emerald IV. I was getting 12 lp per win and 30- lp per loss. It’s definitely possible.

I’m currently in plat now and don’t even play much. My enthusiasm for climbing has gone to the gutter. I once had 4 games in one day where one person from either team was literally running it down on tower before 5 minutes, quit after getting top diffed, or griefing for some dumbass reason.

Hell, I played one game of support a few days ago. I roamed for grubs. My adc screamed that I left him to 1v2 and die despite wave pushing to him. (He left tower to farm instead of waiting for wave and died.) He then trolled and farmed jg until game ended.

After that I just quit for the entire rest of the week, after remembering why I don’t take ranked seriously. (Riot won’t punish these types.)

Emerald and high plat is a toxic cesspool. I honestly wouldn’t take it seriously. I know a masters player who sometimes struggles to carry in this elo.

leaden magnet
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roaming is rlly strong but u just have to be aware of that one thing and help them fix the wave first, can also give vision against dives for them before leaving

young roost
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I also set up perfect vision in river and tri. Adc in this elo just don’t know anything

plain oar
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I always thought you need a really long winstreak in order to get above average lp gains, but it doesn't actually take that long

leaden magnet
plain oar