#How do I understand weakness and pick accordingly?

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prime pecan
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So, as a new player coming from dota I cannot understand the weakness of unorthodox champion picks weaknesses and play accordingly. For example, this guy picks chogath mid and I pick Syndra thinking that I could outrange- outpoke him. Turns out his Q range is high and after 1 item if he lands a q he can just flash on my face, silence me then use his E/R to kill me. IDK if I played that extremely bad but he just destroyed my whole logic behind my pick.

In Dota, the counters are very precise and obvious. Does enemy have point and click spell immunity/reflection? Pick aoe stuns or damage instead. Does enemy like to play on low health/gains healing-damage on low health? Pick anti heal or execution heroes. Does enemy like to play in your face with lots of lifesteal but they are squishy? pick something with poke/ground/ranged burst etc etc..

I don't know why but I cannot apply the same logic to this game somehow because the game doesn't shove it to your face. in Dota, I could get bashed in one match and tell exactly why I got bashed and come up with a solution. For example data on certain websites say that twisted fate on mid counters cho on mid. I cannot see how? TF range is not that long and he doesn't have any dashes to avoid chogath Q. Maybe I could go Vlad but who knows?

This is applied to other champions as well. Can you guys shed a light to my problem? What is the logic? What should I think about when picking into champions?

valid topaz
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I tried doing the same thing in 2021 lmao. It never works

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Just because that’s what DOTA taught you doesn’t mean the same principles apply to league maybe a few but these are 2 very different mobas

prime pecan
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IDK man this shit is truly different

valid topaz
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Both games are played very differently

prime pecan
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for example I could say poppy counters irelia but thats too easy, after that I have no clue what counters what

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why play this or that or team compositions etc

valid topaz
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Main one** maybe** two but stick to one and that’ll make the game easier to process

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I recommend watching Broken By Concept

prime pecan
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for me it is twisted fate but getting countered in this game looks like there is no counterplay at all

valid topaz
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Look them up on youtube. Their thoughts on many things helps alot

prime pecan
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i'll take a look, thanks

valid topaz
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what rank are you btw?

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have you played rank at all yet?

silk rune
prime pecan
solar bison
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And most things aren't exactly 'counters', but bad matchups

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Like if you take vex for example she was made to counter champs that dash, but she also turned out to fair very well into immobile mages with her kit since she could punish their low mobility

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For chogath vs syndra though its a syndra sided lane due to syndra being able to pressure cho very hard and the only thing cho can do is try and hit q which is an ability that is either very easy or very hard to dodge for most people

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If you struggle with dodging it you can always just prematurely qe him when you know hes going to cast it so he has 0 followup and you trade around the same hp. Just position with a ball inbetween you and him and you can easily disengage him with an e as well

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You just need to make sure you don't fight him early as you will never kill him before you go ooom due to his passive so you just want to farm till lost chapter and abuse your range advantage on autos

limpid sequoia
# prime pecan So, as a new player coming from dota I cannot understand the weakness of unortho...

Cho is actually pretty viable mid even if uncommon. As you found out, his Q has pretty great range and hits very hard if he maxes it first. That said, like most CC abilities in LoL it's a skillshot and can be sidestepped/dodged with mobility. Syndra can also cast her Q and W while moving, which is handy when playing against skillshot reliant champs. Additionally, because Cho'Gath is otherwise melee range (or at least close to it). He can't readily all-in if he can't close the distance onto you (excluding flash's 300 sec CD, he has no mobility either). One way to be basically immune to any all-ins is to freeze the wave near your own tower because then can never follow up on his Q even if it lands. Another tactic that is effective against a matchup like this is to intentionally shove on the wave and position so that you're not standing near/in your own creepwave. Now Cho'Gath has a dilemma: If he wants to harass you with Q, he can't use it on the wave at the same time, and so has to accept your push. If he instead uses it to match your push, then he's not harassing you with it.

tulip juniper
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imo league is more than melee vs ranged bad, early champ vs late champ good when it comes to lane for example. every single interaction is unique and you will have to learn from personal experience. if you just think you wont get very far with that, perhaps you will thinking about a game plan but not when it comes to interactions, plus, everyone is different so that can even change

limpid sequoia
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fast mountain
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additionally there isnt really an absolute counter for any champ, ofc some champs do worse into others but theres almost always outplay potential on both sides

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i think you just had a bad experience laning against chogath, syndra is a very difficult champion and requires good positioning

valid topaz
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cut the ego and play easy champs

solar bison
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dont listen to this guy ^ @prime pecan what rank were u in dota2

prime pecan
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tried to reach immortal but burnt out in the process

solar bison
prime pecan
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compared to league it is around masters/grandmasters i guess

solar bison
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You should have 0 trouble learning then it'll just be playing and getting the feel for things for the most part

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Afaik dota 2 has more mechanical things like turn speed and there is more game sense required which if you learned that you should have an easier time learning leagues

prime pecan
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no, I don't have trouble learning; however, league does have a weird way to explain things compared to dota this is why I am confused mostly

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for example you can just go in to practice tool and spawn an enemy puppet hero, give them items, level them up or downgrade their level and try different stuff

solar bison
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Yeah you can only give resistances and hp to the dummies in lol

prime pecan
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this mostly made me a high rank player in dota, I tried all interactions I could come up with. Even gave the puppet hero some laning items to test out their damage so I could see the deny range (you can deny your own minions in dota)

solar bison
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I think youll be fine within your first season. You just gotta learn what all the champs do and it's just realy thinking about champ identities to know which ones beat which

prime pecan
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one of my many problems with league is learning about the champs

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I cannot buy all the champs and test them out immediately

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it just prolongs the start of he learning curve so much

solar bison
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You can read all of the abilities on the fandom but yeah it's annoying when you cant try them all out but you don't need to know their specific cooldowns and just be able to baseline an ability is longer cd or shorter

prime pecan
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for example I learned corki and it turned out well, however I cannot carry the games on my back reliably because the low mobility and passive timings then I regretted buying him

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league is just too fast to learn something inside the game, you just need to watch every replay

solar bison
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He's a pretty decent carry he just isn't super op currently. His passive if used properly to be on every drag its op

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Almost every champ in league has a tradeoff to their strengths and the ones with smaller tradeoffs are usually super squishy like smolder and senna are

prime pecan
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if I have to criticize one thing about League , I would say people play the "every man himself" style of gameplay

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everyone does what they think is right

solar bison
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lol soloq is extremely selfish and the mental of the game currently is horrible. Way too many people run it down with massive egoes for 0 reason especially in emerald-diamond

prime pecan
solar bison
prime pecan
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Plat-Emerald

solar bison
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Yeah high plat / low emerald is just semi decent mechanical players who have shit macro

prime pecan
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Dota plays more like chess as league is being played so much differently in my elo

solar bison
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Emerald rank was just a mistake because it made this extremely low quality to play in rank that is either played like a low diamond game or played like a silver game since the players are ranged from diamond to silver

prime pecan
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yes, I get players who only plays ashe and feeds every match but they are still plat 1 - emerald, I add and ask them and they turn out to be 16 year old just started fresh

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in dota there is a MMR system besides your rank so you can see numbers, so you can actually calculate your range and sometimes even 100 MMR affects the game so much, but actually I tried to get my friend out of the bronze and it wasn't much different from my games in Emerald, they are just mechanically bad, same macro is getting played.

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bronze players are just less agressive overall and they have no clue what they are doing mechanically sometimes, clicks are weird etc. But again, the same macro is being played. And I just have to admit I had more fun playing in bronze because even though no one knows how to play, they just admit it and go on

prime pecan
solar bison
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which ever player played fights better wins in those elos

solar bison
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its funny that he said to cut the ego and play easy champs though when he mains the hardest adc in the game

wet fiber
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You'd be high emerald/diamond

rose yarrow
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Cho’gath is forced to stand in place during his Q animation. As Syndra use your Q-E combo on him if you can’t dodge. Both of you are then stunned and can’t kill the other.

prime pecan
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although I didn't do the math

wet fiber
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  1. You weren't immortal
  2. 1.9% is higher than 0.5% therefore immortal is more common than masters-chal
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I would say that ancient % wise would be somewhere in high emerald/low diamond

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The ranking systems are so weird anyway

fast mountain
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either way he has the mechanical skill to play lol just fine, he just needs to learn the game through experience

sharp cipher
# prime pecan So, as a new player coming from dota I cannot understand the weakness of unortho...

syndra does outlane chogath, just not level 1, think of range differences in lanes like this: how many abilities can you put out into a trade while being outside the enemies range, if you have more spells than the enemy that outrange theirs youll have the upperhand most times, for the chogath matchup, since he only realistically has one option in trades which is Q, so if you stand far away from minions, he either gambles by qing you, or qs the wave where you can walk up and herass him from cs

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always think of the relation to the minions and the enemy champ

solar bison