why junglers ignore mid?

[valid schooner]

when I play jg I try to go mud whenever I can since its in the middle but it seems like most junglers just ignore mid(and I am being sirius: only in my team)

[modest otter]

mid is a pretty hard lane to gank as it's very short and a lot of champions in it are high mobility assassins / fighters

[fluid dove]

Cause junglers are epic wholesome that do no wrong ever.

[safe lake]

skill issue

[grim coyote]

because junglers are lost, mid is pretty gankable. Even a champion like Ahri is relatively easy to gank if ur midlaner spam pings flash and R for 3 minutes while u jerk off to blue buff and die to invasions.

botlane is also just 2 kills instead of 1

[opal void]

It depends on a lot and the lane that you gank as a jungler changes each game, what cc can each lane give me, how well can they follow up, is their laner worth killing and will my laner really benefit from a gank

Often bot meets the most of that and depending on which mid you’re playing you won’t get ganked as much

[grim coyote]

really doesnt

jg jsut ignores mid, i play seraphine ahri orianna doesnt matter htey still ignore it

[opal void]

Depends who you lane into and how you’re playing

Like I don’t think ori or sera are high priority ganks in most games since they have setup yes but they are teamfight monsters at 0/0 or at 2/0 since lots of their power is in hard cc

[cyan spire]

a seraphine or ori who is 0-0 or 2-0 doesnt change anything about the champ at all. however a sivir or jinx or whatever adc you fancy changes alot depending on wether they are 0-0 or 2-0

[grim coyote]

not the point

[cyan spire]

same for alot of top matchups, control mages mid generally are the same in terms of what they provide

[grim coyote]

giving kills to midlaners who play AHRI ORI AND SERAPHINE isnt what i want

[cyan spire]

then what is your point? we are explaining why jgl ignore your lane when you play those champs

[grim coyote]

free kills

[cyan spire]

??????

[grim coyote]

for u and free prio, lets me roam easier. Not every game u can gank bot.

[cyan spire]

@dusty star brother help

[cyan spire]

which is why i gave top aswel an example. you can gank either top or bot in every game. one is not mutually exclusive

[grim coyote]

homie i watched junglers afk farm with a syndra hitting my t2 tower cause they wanted to dive bot

[cyan spire]

okay? what champ was the jgler. what was the game state. how was syndra at your t2 what was the gold difference

what scenario lead up to this situation happening

and what elo was this played in

[grim coyote]

if i gotta explain why trying to dive bot on repeat than ganking flashless midlnaer

with no mobility or zhonyas or anything like that, idk what to tell u

[cyan spire]

bro. for us to give a an actual answer we have to know the context??

[grim coyote]

his jungler took herald.

[cyan spire]

send op.gg of the game

[grim coyote]

probably expired at this point

[cyan spire]

or screenshot of the situation with scoreboard showing

[grim coyote]

how long till games expire? 1 day or 1 week?

[cyan spire]

otherwise the whole thing is semantics and based of a one way narrative which wont give you any form of good answer

[grim coyote]

i dont record every single mistake someone makes

[cyan spire]

becasue there could be alot of reasons

[grim coyote]

ok so never gank mid go gank bot ig w/e

[cyan spire]

1 reason could be. that 1 either you are jgl was too far behind to do the play in case it turned into a 2v2 that you would lose

[grim coyote]

he wasnt

[cyan spire]

or another reason could be that botlane was only win con and he was playing towards the win con

[grim coyote]

while letting a syndra and topside get dove on repeat

[cyan spire]

a 3rd option could be that you and jgl had a dispute and both goth emotional leading to him ignoring you while playing for other lanes

[grim coyote]

I disabled chat ages ago

[cyan spire]

a 4th option could simply be that its so low elo that no one actually knows what is going on, and is just doing things at random for the hell of it

when i say low elo i mean diamond and below

[grim coyote]

that is the most likely reason but it was a mid diamond game so idk

d2 d3 was the average

[cyan spire]

then it could be all 4

its hard to say without knowing the state of the game and how the game ended up there

[grim coyote]

him being dogshit at macro is one

[cyan spire]

meaning the only answers that can be given is vague answers that dont mean much

[cyan spire]

option 4 of what i said. macro doesnt exist in low elo soloq mid diamond included

diamond and below is a mechanical skill test. and who ever is better on their champ

[dusty star]

Considering there’s none, you are correct

[cyan spire]

franken i hate that you support geng lck filth

[dusty star]

I want them to win, JDG is winning 100% though. I picked the team that will place number 2

[cyan spire]

im not sure jdg wins 100% they dont play well into long range poke combs that kt and lng specializes in

lng just gets bored and starts teamfighting however kt can actually stick to that style and win games

[dusty star]

Anyhow, all this aside, how is there a syndra hitting t2 turret while sidelane t1 are still standing? 💀

[cyan spire]

i would say 95% jdg takes it

[grim coyote]

his jg apparently desperately wanted to siege mid

[cyan spire]

taking mid t1 is the most important tower to take in the game

[grim coyote]

sure, but what about the syndra overextending with no one around her, without flash and a bounty on her head

[dusty star]

And how is syndra that got 5 plates mid not ahead and ready to onetap anyone that decides to share a screen with her at that moment in time

[cyan spire]

it opens up and limits the most opportunity for playmaking out of any tower in the game.

[cyan spire]

how fed was the syndra, and is there a chance that their jgl was in close proximity in fog

[grim coyote]

thats a fair point, I guess support couldve roamed?

[dusty star]

Considering she got a full turret, extremely fed would be the obvious answer

[cyan spire]

that depends on how many plates was given to him before that

[grim coyote]

i was winning before jg decided to win his lane for him

[cyan spire]

or what lead up to said play. could be that she was fed bot blade coulda been fed aswel

[grim coyote]

and she shared like 3 or 4 plates but this is 125 gold plates now so not that much

[cyan spire]

that tells me nothing but ego narrative

[grim coyote]

i was going even, shes not ahead of me

[cyan spire]

then how did she have a massive shutdown?

[grim coyote]

gold diff top was losing hard

[cyan spire]

but we are talking about syndra shutdown

[grim coyote]

dont ask me how bro thats riot system

[dusty star]

Syndra bounty meaning syndra had a massive gold lead at that point in time

[cyan spire]

how big was it? or are you saying she got fed because she roamed well?

[grim coyote]

he got alot of gold in a short time from the tower platings probably

[cyan spire]

how big was the shutdown because it tells alot about the lane

[grim coyote]

wasnt huge like 150

[cyan spire]

and jgl?

who was their jgl and your jgl aswel as what champ were you playing

[grim coyote]

my jg was j4 theirs was rengar, i was on ahri. Rengar was ahead

[cyan spire]

how ahead

[grim coyote]

he had like a 300 gold bounty on his head and 1 item lead

[cyan spire]

okay he went bot because in no world do you beat syndra rengar if he is that ahead

[dusty star]

So rengar and syndra were both ahead. Rengar 1 item ahead, so around 3K

[cyan spire]

simple as that. you would both die immediately if he tried making any play on her

[dusty star]

So yea, your jgl made the right call by ignoring mid and going bot. If he ganks mid that game send me his ign, need to manually report

[cyan spire]

you would have such a limited way of playing that skirmish that chances are you would both die without getting 1 kill

[dusty star]

That’s inting right there if he had gone for it

[cyan spire]

if rengar was there in close proximity. meaning the play itself is a coinflip and bot play was most ikely a higher chance of success

in no world does ahri j4 who are both behind. beat syndra rengar who are ahead massively

the margin for outplay is so slim that any syndra e and you both die

[grim coyote]

dunno felt myself winning that 2v2 cause they were bad and low + syndra didnt back for items i think

[cyan spire]

but they werent bad though compared to you. since you were in the same game and they were ahead

syndra items isnt the issue.

its syndra knockback + rengar oneshotting you that is the issue.

[grim coyote]

i mean considering they were struggling to win trades into me and syndra died 1v1 with her lead i say i would, but she was diving there so idk take it as u will

[cyan spire]

factually you dont win the 2v2 ever

unless they massively fumble it

but why take that chance if a play bot is easier to pull off????

[dusty star]

Good question

[grim coyote]

it wasnt actually, even botside was 50 50

[cyan spire]

thats still a better chance than a 20/80

[dusty star]

Do I risk making the fed enemies even more fed or do I make a play on the side of the map that is even because I can offset that and give my team a slight lead?

[grim coyote]

bigger payoff still but w/e

[cyan spire]

please dont go to a casino brother

[grim coyote]

nah just a daredevil i guess?

[cyan spire]

why take a bigger payoff if the risk outweighs the reward

[dusty star]

Deadlift talk right here

[cyan spire]

eddie hall likes those odds i swear

[dusty star]

He must be a league player 100%

[grim coyote]

cause i like breaking limits i guess

[cyan spire]

but its not about brekaing limits. its about leaning into a shit play for the sake of leaning into a shit play

[grim coyote]

but every card he had was shit

[cyan spire]

you're not limit testing or breaking any limits by taking on a bad play because you feel like you can outplay it.

[grim coyote]

and botlane was the bad play in hind sight but thats hind sight

[dusty star]

It just so happened that the mid one was the most foul smelling one

[cyan spire]

then you fold or bluff. you dont take the all in and lose to a pair 2

[grim coyote]

game was pretty fucked tho, go all out imo

[dusty star]

My deuce seven will take me a long way

Off suit

[cyan spire]

idunno. by the sounds of it. the game wasnt fucked at all. since bot was 50/50

maybe in enemy favor sure. but i wouldnt say fucked

[cyan spire]

a deuce seven can play powerful if played by a master

but we're not talking about a master. we're talking about a rookie

[dusty star]

But again, without anything concrete to go off of we are just speaking in hypotheticals. Off the info you gave us, jgl made the right move. That was a lane to ignore given the situation

[cyan spire]

okay blade to put it bluntly. the play you suggest is straight inting. and j4 did the correct play

[grim coyote]

it won me the game doe

i did beat syndra cause she dove like an idiot so probs why but still

[cyan spire]

doesnt matter. thats analysis based of results.

a bad play will always be a bad play even if the outcome turns out good

[dusty star]

Winning or losing doesn’t disprove the fact that, the move mentioned above would have been int

[grim coyote]

well if it aint broke dont fix it

[cyan spire]

if you had pinged for that move in high master+ you woulda been flamed and reportet for it

[grim coyote]

if i was in high masters i wouldnt have a michael jackson playlist

[cyan spire]

a shit is still shit even if it looks like chocolate

[dusty star]

Enemy team would have asked to x9 you while they take away your lp

[grim coyote]

on blasting so i cant hear shit

[dusty star]

Ayo, they slap hard

[cyan spire]

idunno i prefer blasting moonlight shadow or i need a hero as i play sivir with a mage support

[grim coyote]

nah, slow romantic jazz

[cyan spire]

some berry white type shit aye

[grim coyote]

gotta make sure i cs in tune

[cyan spire]

gotta romantisize your enemy to death aye

[grim coyote]

on beat? on tune idk

[cyan spire]

take em out for a nice dinner. with some wine which ends up in a roofie?

or we talking about the rizzing em up type deal here?

[grim coyote]

baseball bat rizz

[cyan spire]

my guy

[grim coyote]

u know how expensive roofies are man? fuck that shit

[dusty star]

Caveman rizz*

[cyan spire]

idunno. never done roofies so couldnt tell ya

[dusty star]

Hit em in the head with big stick and carry them to your place

[cyan spire]

100% success rate

[grim coyote]

i havent done either, i thought drugs were expensive cause of inflation

[cyan spire]

does inflation work on drugs?

[dusty star]

Those stay at the same price, need to keep people hooked

[cyan spire]

what type of econic math we doing here

[dusty star]

Drugs lowkey helping overpopulation, the prices shall stay the same for as long as they are doing their job

[grim coyote]

truly

[cyan spire]

just show your league rank and it will work as a roofie

[grim coyote]

ngl tho i genuinely thought they would pump them up

[cyan spire]

rank rizz works 100% of the time where it doesnt work 😎

[dusty star]

Show them you main skarner

[cyan spire]

i mean captainflowers would remove his pants immediately

scorpion rizz. show em the stinger

ima save that for next time im trying to rizz someone up. "ima treat you like a scorpion would and show you mah stinger 😎" cia theme plays

[grim coyote]

rizztriction order fr

[cyan spire]

xDD

too powerful, has to be nerfed

[jade ginkgo]

its best to camp bot so thats at least a mindset jungle players have sometimes before the game starts

midlane is a short lane with high mobility champions so its harder to gank especially if you as the jungler are immobile

[cyan spire]

Very few games of this season I've had a jgl play around bot. Which is a shame

[upper sonnet]

Depends what jg you're playing. I know some junglers like Rengar simply can't gank mid because of how there champion is designed. While something like Zac would have a much easier time ganking mid

Or Nunu, another champion that has an easy time ganking mid

[obtuse creek]

Jgs do not like to gank non cc lanes// good setup or non carry lanes and assassins usually don't have either

[noble pulsar]

Junglers don't care about "win cons" "good cc" "good setup" "lane counters" and whatever. Junglers are simple creatures. If the enemy is low and the jungler is pathing towards you, they will gank you. If they aren't coming it's because they aren't checking their minimap (as always) and needs to be pinged to get their attention.

You are either not doing two things

1. The enemy isn't low
2. The enemy is low but you didn't ping

[obtuse creek]

wild take

[noble pulsar]

fixed to make more sense

[sage sentinel]

Mid usually isn't worth the gank because either:

1. Enemy mid has flash and that will definitely get them to safety
2. Being a short lane, the wave state has to basically be perfect for the gank to be worthwhile to even attempt
   Every time a jungler ganks they are giving away time and information to the enemy. So it has to have a good enough expectation to be worth doing, and frequently, mid is not (if you want a jungle to gank as mid, be sure you've got their flash down, then invite jg to gank with proper wave state for it (wave either frozen near tower or about to crash).

[solar island]

Because a real jg gank the lane that's most probably not the most important

Mid is hard to gank as well unless u have a good mid champ as well ur jg champ is fine ie lee sin

[agile salmon]

in my games they only go mid, this is interesting

[cyan spire]

blowing flash is never ever bad what_?

[sage sentinel]

It's not worth everything that I have to give to do it as a jungler.

[jolly wigeon]

Because you guys are entitled dickheads

[grim coyote]

aye i agree

but lets be honest, blowing flash should mean jg either ganks again or goes for a skirmish with that prio

flash for flash is kinda bad depending on champs doe, some champs dont need it as much

[cyan spire]

Could limit lethal chance for enemy mid

[obtuse creek]

Blowing flash as a jg for your mid is such a good thing??

[dusty star]

Jungler blowing enemy mid flash

[obtuse creek]

Yes it's very good for your mid as itlets them play aggro, or be allowed to be safe from plays. most of the time you gank mid you're just trying to blow flash.

Blowing an ori's flash as something like a j4 is so good because she has to play giga safe or else she dies from ganks or even just a play from your mid

Lots of similar champs like this that are very hard to be safe while flashless

[dusty star]

Precisely, it’s what Absalom was saying. But frightning said it’s not worth to gank mid if mid has flash up when it’s actually the opposite and it’s good because you force them to blow flash

[sage sentinel]

I don't entirely ignore mid, but most of the time, if I am, the issue is that getting that flash blown will either cost me important CDs that I could use in the other lanes to get a kill for the team, and/or I will give away too much information/allow enemy jungle to make a play on a sidelane that's likely to work for the enemy. People underestimate the power of information, just staying off the map for a while (enemy jungle won't know where you are, let alone the enemy laners), often means you will find opportunities because they've lost track of you.

[obtuse creek]

Burning enemy flash pre mid-game is always good and most of the time it’s just going to be a transition gank from your top jg gank into your bot jg or vice versa. Idk why the importance of flash isn’t being emphasized as mid js mostly mages and assassins both of which really like their flashed

[sage sentinel]

and if I do the transititon gank, guess what: an enemy jungler with a brain now knows not only where I am going to be for the next 1:30, but for yet another 1:30 or so after that (just because of camp timers), so you're giving away a lot of information doing that.

[obtuse creek]

Still worth getting that flash lol

[dusty star]

They know regardless though, but now you have the added thing of your laner being able to move to help while enemy can't because flashless. By this logic you should never ever gank as a jungler or show on the map as a whole because enemies will know where you are so they will be there to punish you xD

[low burrow]

till next patch, whenever that is

[grim coyote]

thats not true bud no way they last more than 1 week

i havent seen them older than 1 week

[low burrow]

the last game I can download is from 8 days ago, wednesday 25.10
the last game I cant download is from 23.10
patchday is 25.10 (in the night)

unless they release a hotfix mid-patch, there is no reason the games shouldnt be downloadable for longer, as the game version and the replay version are the same

[grim coyote]

hm u might be right then

how tf do u download games that arent in the last 20 tho

[low burrow]

u cant, at least i dont know how. Perhaps there are websites allowing you to download older games

[short moon]

imma be real witchu chief, I am not wasting my time trying to gank a fucking leblanc

[jade ginkgo]

replaybook, if you download them beforehand you can look at old patch replays. unfortunately downloading old matches dont work