Any advice for dealing with Vayne top as Garen?

[tranquil jacinth]

What I do is play around wave management however that only allows me to go even at best and can only go all in once my summs are up, however, regardless of how many times I score kills on a Vayne, a good one will still stay relatively close in farm, and won't be reachable when my summs are down, I also use the fog of war/bushes to get in trades but no definitive wins, just going even at best.

[spring tiger]

flash stridebreaker run her down

vayne has minimal wave clear so you can look to just ironspike whip e the wave into her tower and then run mid/enemy jg and look for kills there to put ur team ahead while u have a timer

if you dont find anything quick u can just run back to ur wave and repeat

as a garen u have much more prio on early rift herald fights so try to make sure ur jungler fights for it early

[formal linden]

Flash Ghost Phase rush. Never stand next to a wall. Don't fight her until your level 6 powerspike and berserker greaves. Gg shes useless

And it goes without saying second wind Dshield

If she ever waste her E then you can run her down. If she ever uses her tumble then you can run her down (It's 4 second cooldown and her 2nd maxed ability). Start your engage out by just using Ghost and Q this is normally too fast for her to react to. And AA then E to proc Phase rush then she cannot run away from you.

In the case scenario she's playing passively and holding everything you can look to roam, get deep vision, maybe even solo herald if you're feeling ballsy. At the end of the day you'll be more useful then her cause that's just how ranged tops go

[vague yacht]

Most Vayne's are maxing Q first now, but....that's still a 2 sec CD at rank 5 and crucially, the CD doesn't start until she actually uses the empowered auto (or it expires, which is like an 8 second timer).

Dealing w/ Vayne top is all about wave control (this goes for beating any decent ranged top as a melee champ in general actually).

[proper beacon]

take phase rush and second wind in your rune, flash ghost summoners spell and start doran shield. don't even try to trade before having atleast berzerk and iron spike, once you have it you can start trying to bait her dash, if she dash in just all in her

[formal linden]

You can't wave manage against ranged top laners. What?

You just punish them for overstepping ?

[vague yacht]

You can. For one, they attack you with anything that draw minion aggro, you can simply walk away for a sec and your minions won't be damaging their wave, while theirs will still be damaging yours. More importantly to the present case, Garen as AoE damage output w/ E, which Vayne cannot match as all of her damage output is single target, so you can push much harder than she can (and even force a crash pretty easily if you time it right).

[formal linden]

That's not wave management...

You're just bouncing waves

[vague yacht]

Anything that impacts wavestate can be used to control it to some degree.

[tranquil jacinth]

alright got it, thank you gotta need more discipline on my part during the laning phase

[tranquil jacinth]

ye I felt there was no direct counterplay as far as a 1v1 scenario can go, so just waiting for summs and playing passively seems the best, thank you

[tranquil jacinth]

will do thank you, I usually go for steel platings to reduce dmg but I guess it's not as useful as berserker's since her W deals true dmg %hp

[civic tendon]

pretty sure u q max vs vayne

and start trinket so u can kite in bushes and destroy the wards when she wards to poke u in it, so u can just hide in the bush and walk up to last hit or go for q also u gotta boots rush so u won't get as easily kites especially if they boots rush too

[proper beacon]

You just won't have enough dmg to kill her without berzerk and overall you always go for berzerk on Garen and btw for the spell I usually put 3 point in E and then max Q

[obtuse badge]

Vayne is a champion that you must survive until Stridebreaker against. You may not be able to 1v1 her, but you will be a lot more useful in
teamfights as a frontline if you didn't die in lane and you got to soak all the XP you needed to get to the special lvl 11 number. If she takes
too much minion aggro or tower damage there's potential for a kill as well but you will mostly be stuck under tower farming as much as you
can. Make sure you don't drop too much HP so you don't get dove by her or her jungler. There's a certain amount of minions you're allowed
to take without getting destroyed. If Vayne ever tumbles forwards you can potentially go for a Q on her and see if she eats your E as well. If
she instantly condemns you it's fine since you won't really get punished all that hard and she will be missing hp that won't come back
since her sustain isn't good at all. It's important to not overextend in lane since Vayne can run you down with multiple autos since her
passive gives her movement speed towards you.

-Palco's Spreadsheet (Challenger OTP)

[tranquil jacinth]

thank you for your insight, I'll try it

[tranquil jacinth]

I see, will rush berserker's and see if there's a change in my laning

[tranquil jacinth]

ye I max Q cause it's not possible to stick to her to get the full value out of the E

[soft veldt]

you could try playing exhaust ,there is always a kill possibility while playing it but i wouldnt recommend what i recommend is running ghost flash with phase rush into vayne rushing stride breaker as your first item as soon as vayne goes for trade while you being lvl 2-3 is the most optimal time to fight because you can prob your phase rush easy

[fallen linden]

go edge of night and flash on her