Ban Phase is Bad

[thin coral]

banning champs is so unintuitive and anti-gamer. the fact that there has to be a 5-15 minute meta gaming phase before the real game starts truly blows me away. ur not the NFL this isnt the draft just START THE GAME. you can literally play two entire matches of Rocket League while trying to play a meta game of "who plays who most and lets BAN THEM" its inherently toxic and one of the major reasons why moba games are notorious rather than glorious.

[winged bridge]

Bro make a whole post 💀

First off it’s 30 seconds

Secondly just play blind pick or aram

Third of all, I’d rather not face champs like j4 every game!

[thorn scaffold]

5-15 minutes try 30 seconds

[broken vortex]

Just play blind pick then and if you wanna play draft or ranked just dont ban champs and it's like 30 seconds not 5-15 mins and dont compare rocket league to league

[small spoke]

Please

What is your rank man.

[karmic hill]

then play rocket league ?

[thin coral]

proof that ban/pick phase is 30 seconds? cause its not. btw im gold in flex and solo but ive been playing off and on since season 2 not to meantion dota 2 and i hit grand champ in rocket league

[winged bridge]

I smell bait

Cuz the ban phase literally is limited to 30 seconds. You can’t extend it. Unless you mean for clash

[gilded flame]

Ban is 30 sec, after that it's like 3 mins top for pick phase. So 3:30 for a game that is much more strategy based and team dependant than rocket league.

[winged bridge]

If your talking about for clash or pro play like that’s different

[long storm]

ban phases in different games take longer , the league ban phase is not even that bad if you are complaining then just play aram or blind pick

[thin coral]

finally a smart person. ban phase is NEVER only 30 seconds. 3:30 sounds much better esp since there are multiple ban phases for clash/tournies. BAN PHASE for flex/solo isnt 30 seconds its more like 40 seconds and two THATS NOT THE POINT OF THIS POST

THE POINT OF THIS POST ISNT TIME LOSS

The POINT is that if you have to ban champs at all then you are negatively impacting the game. End of point. That's it. It's an entirely NEGATIVE aspect of mobas and you cannot refute. You can try but you are only defending an inherently negative meta game.

[gilded flame]

Why would it negatively impact the game? Balancing is not entirely possible with a game this complex. So you'd rather players have to play against OP matchups every game and enjoy the game less? That is a negative experience not being able to play a decent match without getting steamrolled. If you couldn't ban the game would literally be the same 10 OP champs per match with barely any other champs played

[astral heron]

5-15 minutes? 30 second for picks, 30 bans, 4min10s tops if everyone used their allotted times. Not sure where it's ever 15 minutes

But yeah, bait post. I shall now lurk

[winged bridge]

He said 3:30 TOPS meaning if everyone intentionally waited until last second to pick

Also what’s wrong with bans?

[stark rapids]

u do realize that mobas are not the only format of game that has introduced a ban phase into their systems right ?

[west hull]

Bait post

Most competitive games (as in comp from nature) have a banning system in ranked cause it’s the healthy thing

[novel plover]

💀

[worldly fern]

im gonna guess your otp is always banned

[thin coral]

how does it NOT negatively impact the game? you are saying that because the game is naturally unbalanced that a way to balance it is to BAN "overpower" matchups but marksman champs cant ban every assassin champ.

you're literally suggesting that, because RIOT allows certain champs to be S Tier Over Powered--the ban phase is a justifiable way to allow the player to personally balance the game? that is honestly insane and absolves RIOT of any responsibility in balancing. goofy.

[thin coral]

ban octane every rocket league game lmao hahaha still negative homie

[winged bridge]

No game will ever be balanced. It’s near impossible and quite frankly, bland. Bans ALLOW the player to control what they want to face or don’t want to.

It is not balancing the game. It’s deciding what they want or don’t want to face

Can’t imagine it’d be fun facing j4 every game and he 1v9s all the time

[thin coral]

rocket league is perfectly balanced.

even chess is not balanced, in chess there is a first move advantage therefore the meta game is the coinflip to go first. you are essentially defending a coinflip. why.

[winged bridge]

Why? How else would they design chess

And rocket league is “balanced” because it’s not a game about characters. It’s a game about skill

Unless rocket league has different cars which does different stuff but not 100% sure

[thin coral]

LOL is about characters and not skill? lol kinda tru

[winged bridge]

It’s about both. But characters do play a big role

[thin coral]

but still the ban phase is negative, a waste of time, and its BULLSHIT that clash teams get direct sight of my top played champ and ban them every match. why on god's green earth would i want to play a game that is negatively impacting me and the way i play?

[winged bridge]

Then don’t play clash? Clash is literally like the pro play for non pro players

[thin coral]

"says here you got 300 games played as teemo. well we dont want to fight that so we are going to ban him meanwhile you dont know which champs we play cause we are all on ALT ACCOUNTS WITH NO PLAY TIME so good luck banning ourOTP!!!"

bullshit

[winged bridge]

That’s an alt account think. And also maybe don’t play clash?

No one’s forcing you to play clash. And also teemo ban is mid anyways. And up to enemy to decide

[thin coral]

you are literally suggesting not to play the game. if that doesnt prove that Ban Phase is incredibly negative i dont know what will

[winged bridge]

So you can’t play draft or blind?

You HAVE to play clash knowing that they can ban your champs?

[winged bridge]

Does rocket league have this?

[gilded flame]

Stop trying to compare rocket league to LoL. I might as well compare CoD to league if that's the case. 2 very different genre with insane difference in play and ability to balance.

It's literally 2 teams of cars witu the only deciding factor being who maneuvers it better. League has literally direct counters to champs that unless you're smurfing is going to be at a major disadvantage before match even starts

[frigid yew]

You can't target ban the enemy team, they removed seeing their usernames a long time ago. It's only 30 max, and most people just instantly know what they're gonna ban anyways.

[thin coral]

rocket league is a competative Esport like LOL that DOESNT reinforce negative gameplay

[gilded flame]

Thats because there's nothing to ban lol there's like 6 cars with the only difference being the way they can hit the ball. The advantages/disadvantages of each vehicle are so small it would be ridiculous to institute a ban system

[severe pendant]

chess is widely played in sets of 2/4/6 etc games to negate the white advantage

[thin coral]

you all continue to reinforce and defend the negative meta gameplay and i really dont know why

[thin coral]

but the 3rd, 5th and 7th games would still be first advantage

[gilded flame]

That's because the ban is widely accepted to be a good thing in the game. It's a feature that most players like as it let's them decide who they don't want to face. Yes it sucks if your champ gets banned but more often than not that doesn't happen and you get to ban a bad matchup

[thin coral]

you dont have to tell me why rocket league is great lol i already kno but it also doesnt reinforce negative meta gameplay

[thin coral]

"its accepted--yes it sucks" lmao ok buddy

[gilded flame]

Lol rocket league isn't even close to being on LoL level as an esport

[severe pendant]

you mean, like in every competitive environment?
Without bans pro players would pick the same pool of champs every game, which would make super boring games. Bans allow teams to form a team comp along these bans and ban champs that specifically counter their comp.
Also allows for decisions like: Do I ban a meta champ or an enemys signature/main champ

and no, Riot will never perfectly balance 160 champs, 60 runes, 100? items and components in elos from complete beginner up to Challenger as well as pro play. Cause that is statistically impossible

[severe pendant]

also pls specifiy that u only dislike the tournament draft mode. Normal draft made with 10 concurrent bans going 30s and not knowing enemys seems to be fine for u

[winged bridge]

? The games are completely different. Ones a moba with 100+ characters all with 4 abilities and different interactions

Rocket league is literally. Drive car hit ball.

Really gotta stop comparing the two

[severe pendant]

and the 4th, 6th 8th game would be disadvantage. Whats your point? In many tournanents you play the exact same number of games with white as with black

and for most chess players black disadvantage is so low it barely even matters

[icy holly]

What is this conversation? This has to be trolling right?

This guy is literally making a point similar to asking why you cant buy chess pieces like the way you buy monopoly properties

Theres no shot this is an actual argument right?

[winged bridge]

He really believes that so yes it is

[olive rose]

These are the people riot is trying to appeal to

[icy holly]

“Why cant soccer players throw the ball like basketball players do? Since they cant soccer is clearly a bad sport!”??

[severe pendant]

okay, what is your opinion to map banning in CSGO and rainbow6?

Or the ranked systen of valo

[olive rose]

League is literally doomed if riot keeps making the game shorter, less strategic, and more braindead to please low attention span zoomers who will move on to another game in a year anyways

[winged bridge]

Look at ow2. No ban system(prob cuz champ pool is kinda limited), but top 500 was littered with soujourin/soldier every game and still is present

[olive rose]

Riot should actually consider adding 10 more bans to the draft

[gilded flame]

I'd be fine with 2 bans per draft lol but realistically 1 is fine as well. Let's you pick that 1 champ you just hate fighting and erase them

[winged bridge]

Eh. Honestly 20 bans would be cool but it would get annoying real fast tBh. I’m fine with 10. Like it’s playable

20 would make champs like zed just nonpickable. Same with any meta champ

Atleast with 10 they can choose to ban a mu or a meta champ

[olive rose]

Tbf everyone who wants to ban zed bans him

That problem is a non issue as long as riot doesn’t make certain champs unbearable to play against

[gritty sluice]

If you don't like champions being banned, just play Blind Pick. That's literally what the mode is for.

[thin coral]

dm me for a game idea trust me it'll take off we'll be billionaires by sunday i call it

WHO PLAYS WHO MOST--LETS BAN THEM!!!

Better than a coinflip

[novel plover]

Its not always who plays who the most, its generally based on who you plan to play. And what that pick is bad against

[little oasis]

what the fuck is this take

[novel plover]

Fr

[little oasis]

dont play clash if u dont like being banned out of your main
the whole point of clash is to emulate an esports atmosphere, and in that sphere bans are widely accepted as a good thing. across many games. not just mobas.

ur argument that it's bad just falls flat bc 99% of people disagree
it's fun because it stops games from devolving into "Pick meta every game"

it's fun because you can treat it like a metagame and ban your statistically worst matchup, or you could ban a champ u hate vsing

it's fun because nobody wants to play against hecarim 27 matches out of 30

if ur really mad about ur teemo being banned without u being able to ban out ur opponent then just do what ur opponents are supposedly doing

or dont play the fkn (limited time) gamemode meant to emulate pro scene

it's such a weird take to complain about something when the game designers have already catered to ur wants by implementing blind pick

[frigid loom]

banning is good, means i dont need to playa gains J4 everygame

[torpid condor]

wtf is post
pussy ass mf crying over BANS?

how the fuck I would be able to enjoy the game if there is a Yasuo or a Yone either feeding or demolishing my team every 30 minutes or so

[novel plover]

Ive seen some pretty braindead posts in this server, and this one is like top 3

[cedar bridge]

They're thinking that entire pick phase counts as part of the ban phase even though the ban phase takes only 30 seconds of the entire 3-4 minutes of people picking champions

Like seriously I smell something fishy around here and if it ain't bait, then idk what is

[torpid condor]

its how much of a PUSSY this OP is

goddamn, there is limits to how dumb you can be

[cedar bridge]

Like I play blind pick all the time because it's just funnier than draft imo, so if someone doesn't like banning champs, play ARAM, blind pick, or bot matches

[novel plover]

I will say though, i was thoroughly entertained reading all of the comments

[cedar bridge]

Plus, if clash, as you described, allows the enemy team to see what you play the most so they could just ban it, HAVE A LARGER CHAMPION POOL

[novel plover]

Fr, bro is acting like there isnt more champs to choose from than almost any other game

Its not like your optons are super limited, so banning heavily reduces your option

[cedar bridge]

Yeah it bans ten of your 160+ to choose from so if you're an otp or something joining clash tourneys, too bad at least have a secondary option

[novel plover]

If banning was actually an issue, otps like spear shot and naayil would br complaining about it

[cedar bridge]

EXACTLY

[wicked slate]

I'm not reading all that but seems silly lol

[proven storm]

☠️☠️☠️☠️

[novel plover]

Tldr, youre part of the minority opinion stop complaining

[wicked slate]

?

[novel plover]

You said it was too long so i shortened it

[wicked slate]

Ahh tyty

[novel plover]

Np

[wicked slate]

Would like to hear @thin coral opinion on the reasoning behind it, but imo ban phase is good to prevent every game feeling the same and to prevent feeling extremely frustrated if the enemy team locks in a certain champion.

[novel plover]

The only downside i see to banning is that it incentivises banning a champ you have trouble against instead of learning how to beat them, like knowledge champs

But even so the upsides far outweigh the downsides

[random turtle]

im just gonna say that champ select, including pick phase (because itd be dumb as fuck to not include) and ban phase is legit a part of the game.

arguably one of the more important parts depending on elo, like pro play its one of the most important things, T1 legit lost worlds because they drafted poorly

take this away? all of the planning, strategies, etc, go out the door

thats besides the point as we're not pros and 99% of players and most of the people in this server arent even close to that elo of play. champ select/ban phase is still important as this helps remove things such as counters to a champ, annoyances you dont wanna face, etc. also like @wicked slate said above, it helps keep the game fresh

if you dont wanna have to deal with it, go the fuck to blind pick

[random turtle]

also when it comes to something like banning or whatever, rocket league is a horrendous game choice considering there is legit no way to even implement a ban system in the game. its a completely different genre as well lol

[random turtle]

it does btw, cars have diff hitboxes and stuff but its legit impossible to implement a ban system like i said above, if there was, shit like octane, fennec, dominus, etc would be permabanned

idrk why op keeps perma bringing up rocket league tho, rlly weird and seems like hard bait

[astral heron]

I shall stop lurking. So this guy is mad because he went in clash and people ban his most played champ there. Have you considered playing any other role except clash? Since clash is the only gamemode where you get to actually scout your opponent

[thin coral]

is there really not one yuumi here who'll shield me on this? the same game that just released a tiny femoid cannibal just HAS to have a metagame that is as long as a rocket league match? before EVERY ranked game and even longer in tournies???

i'll definitely get up to speed and read all that was written, i wasnt expecting this massive of a response but i gotta sleep then work tomorrow so i'll respond probably in like 18 hours or so. until then find me ONE HERO that could help me defend my position

[winged bridge]

I’ll find you your hero. It’s called the circus. I’m sure they’ll agree with you

[empty nacelle]

I second you on this statement, maybe it’s time you stop playing league and find a game where there is no draft

Win-win
You get a game you enjoy, we get 1 less 🤡

[long storm]

this post is pathetic , if you dont like ban phase just dont play draft, or ranked. if you are tired of your champ being banned then its either op, or just really annoying to play against, or its a counter. just pick up another champ.

[spare bear]

This post isnt about having fun its just whining about getting target banned in clash as an otp

I understand the frustration but thats very clash specific and not indicitive of a draft norms game where people dont give a shit about your main or a ranked que where its anonymous (mostly)

[winged bridge]

I got nerd reactions 😭 my life’s over

[spare bear]

RIP

[random turtle]

wait this is about clash? lmao

bro clash only happens once every month now

😭😭😭

[winged bridge]

Yes cuz his teemo got banned and enemy was supposedly on alts

[small spoke]

You are not a human being

[random turtle]

smurfing is annoying asf in clash but that's about it

[winged bridge]

No like he couldn’t see their otps to ban them cuz they on alts

[torpid condor]

Sorry bud, you'll get no bitches

[small spoke]

You fail to understand the game as a concept and it won’t be necessary to further entertain such a nonsensical perfect idea logical view that you possess.
We need to ban to draft team comps and certain ideas, that’s what the game is about. It isn’t you load in and fist fight like monkeys, you are disregarding quintessential elements to the game.
Certain champs have certain counters. It gives control for the player and also incentivises more players to play the game

[severe pendant]

true that, I am an OTP, I stand and fall by it, if sb dodges my OTP I instadodge and go on other acc (rarely happens, Anivia has 4?% ban rate so 2% from enemy team and 0% from own team) and just not play clash.

[spare bear]

Im not a true otp but i am an otp.
My champion is only ever banned if it is a target ban (i am a skarner otp and the only time skarner has been banned on me is in scrims)

I play other junglers nearly as good so idc about getting banned

Nocturne builds and plays exactly like skarner imo

[random turtle]

just have to say ur cringe for otping anivia (im a vlad main)

jokes ofc

[winged bridge]

Just have to say your cringe for otping vlad(I’m a kat main)

[random turtle]

skillbased mu

[spare bear]

Mid lane weirdos
Jungle is where its at

[winged bridge]

Eww

[spare bear]

But in mid skarner reigns supreme

[random turtle]

jungle just requires me to do too much

i may end up swapping tho since im beginning to main taliyah

[winged bridge]

Just waiting for mythic?

./new skin

[random turtle]

i already got it + chroma

i just find her rlly fun

[severe pendant]

skill issue

[novel plover]

Youre my hero 🙏

[winged bridge]

Thank you thank you

[junior pike]

The only reason why I dislike Ban phase is because of target banning in tournaments. I'm in my university League of Legends team and they just see that I play champions at a very good level in my rank so they take off all the hours I worked into a champion and force me to play into a matchup I have no clue/experience.

I know it's part of the game, but oh my god I have 4 other teammates that you can target ban 😭

[spare bear]

Dude is gonna come back from his shift at work and lose his mind

[junior pike]

Other than that, im not sure why Banning phase is bad. You are able to ban off one stupid champion

[vital cedar]

opposite. there needs to be more bans. at least 2 per player

[spare bear]

In clash and organized play it is difinately harder to be a onetrick.

Teams diamond+ that are trying to do something bigger than occassional scrims are usually learning at least 4 "mains" per role to avoid target bans and cover bad mus

[junior pike]

2 per player or disallowing to ban the same champions. The other ban phases were so much better, just executed poorly

[spare bear]

Masters teams looking to play in open div tournaments play basically everything that is meta

[winged bridge]

2 per person feels too limiting imo

[spare bear]

In fairness if everyone got two bans it would be over 10% of the roster gone

But realistically also only 4 champs in your role

[junior pike]

That's what I'm trying to do right now, but I'm pretty much late to the scene already actually. I'm just picking up easy champions like Ahri, Annie, etc for now.

But it just feels physically impossible to compete in Diamond/Master level with champions you aren't comfortable with.

[spare bear]

I concur but it doesnt take long to get comfy with a champ (20odd games of draft before ranked depending on how difficult)

[novel plover]

If this dude comes back and tries to make an argument when 100% of everyone else in this thread disagrees with him, im just done

[junior pike]

Also, as a Yuumi enjoyer (the champ rarely gets banned now anyways), if you're actually going to complain about one champion being banned then honestly I don't know what to say lol.

[spare bear]

I hope yuumi wins

[wicked slate]

Wait this is what it's all about??

[astral heron]

Sadly so

[wicked slate]

We can potentially ban out every single adc in the game if we implemented this

So good change, fuck adcs

[gilded flame]

I mean if that's what this whole thing is actually about then I'm sorry but that makes him absolutely wrong. He chose to OTP knowing full well the risks associated and is now complaining. Easy fix, learn 1-2 other champs to play..... or don't play clash. It's meant to simulate pro style play and none of them otp for that reason

[thin coral]

ah im late ah shit ok ok im here lets see

[thin coral]

typical cat in a book. i dont mean LITERAL YUMMI i mean a metaphorical yuumi pertaining to this here discussion. basically i want a defense lawyer to help me out. instead of literally just one person even pretending to take my side on this now massive discussion. pardon me while i take a look at the best arguments for wasting time and pissing players off

[novel plover]

Oh boy here it goes!

[thin coral]

super boring games
really? you believe in LOL that little you think not deleting the characters that people literally speedrun with and have very specific clearing/ability usage patterns would make it somehow a SUPER boring game? cmon.

to the rest of this, you are pretending anything other than Supersonic Professional Sponsored E-Sport Games are even remotely close to the literal thousands of games people need to commit to in order to Master a champ.

[thin coral]

see ^

[thin coral]

nothing is not imcomparable. i can compare cheese to chairs and i wont let any terminally negative person tell me what i cant say or do.

[thin coral]

you should know this since u got rigged coinflip in your name!! LOL!!!! its because SET WINS are always decided on the odd number, never the even number!

of course it doesnt matter to Masters of any Game. if it did they wouldnt be a Master.

Best outta Seven?

[thin coral]

nother negamer--negative gamer
rude, mods please clean this up? ty.

[novel plover]

Who let bro cook 💀

[thin coral]

also a relative waste of time.

if players are playing META then they are quite literally taking on the digital labor that should be left to the developers/game maintenance

[thin coral]

this would imply that Wild Rift is bad and unpopular. another negamer?

[thin coral]

i'd agree with this except there's plenty of overlap between champions. be it similar inputs for incredible plays or the same professional kiting or mirrored speed clearing. so banning even one champ implies that its allowed to have a player immediately, in the meta, deny another player the right to enjoy the game the devs strive so heartily to maintain

[thin coral]

you are brainstorming my new game

BAN THE CHAMPS

its like yugioh meets go fish

[winged bridge]

sounds fun. let me know its out so i can visit you at the circus

[thin coral]

pick meta
developers are aware and allow meta at any given time

[thin coral]

these reasons are also exact reasons why its not fun for people who get banned

[thin coral]

dantes is hec god deal with it
once againt RIOT BALANCE???

WHERE IS ICEFROG

[thin coral]

name another champ other than teemo that can blind. exactly. RIOT BALANCE

[thin coral]

BALANCE

[novel plover]

I dont believe ive ever seen someone so dedicated to an already lost argument in my life

[thin coral]

hey negamer i dont enjoy my time being wasted when im playing a game designed specifically to waste my time (again, admitting that Meta is good but only for Masters. the top top TOP of the 1%. the 0.0000001%)

[thin coral]

BALANCE!!!!! also funnily a good point: even if you ban yas theres still a yone. and if you ban yone theres still a yas. and if you ban both theres a yi. only one teemo tho.

[thin coral]

negamer moment chill bro

[thin coral]

i know when my time is being wasted.

[novel plover]

I have seen no one use the term "negamer" in my life, is that an actual thing?

[thin coral]

im willing to bet you've made lots of comments shitting on videogame dunkey's critiques of LOL

[thin coral]

blind isnt ranked

[thin coral]

even more reason to get rid of ban phase altogether

[thin coral]

SO ITS A WASTE OF TIME!!

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thin coral]

riot balance issue, again.

[torpid condor]

you're the only user on the server that I felt the necessity to shit on

[thin coral]

no blind ranked

[winged bridge]

hey if you wanna face renekton j4 ahri kaisa naut every game have fun bro

[thin coral]

exactly. to rocket league's immense credit: it is the least time wasting game out there.

mom comes in "PAUSE THAT GAME!!"
what will make her happier?:

MOM I CANT IM IN A 60 MINUTE UNPAUSABLE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE BATTLE ARENA!!!!

or

MOM I cant but ill be done in 5 minutes 🙂 love you~~

someone tell me again i cant compare games to games

[thin coral]

i'd ban octane every game unironically
i dont even care that fennec got the same hitbox i just dont want to see any more rc cars im sick of them

[thin coral]

yes , yes

[thin coral]

good one!!! heres your reddit gold, good sir!!! 🪙

[thin coral]

negamer

[thin coral]

negamer

[winged bridge]

rocket league id argue is the least time wasting game out there.

also the point of the post isnt time being wasted you said lol

[novel plover]

I believe this guy has contributed half of the total messages in this thread, thats a shit ton

[random turtle]

...theyre legit 2 diff genres of games

also 1 has a time constraint, 1 doesnt

lol

[thin coral]

yes, i am whining. true. we are all very privileged that we can waste our daily lives on this huevo de video

[thin coral]

not just clash but also all bans

[random turtle]

its like comparing meat to fruit, doesnt make sense

[novel plover]

This thread is fun

[winged bridge]

sorry can i hear your reasons again on why bans are dogshit again

[thin coral]

smurfing is everywhere, even in rocket league!

however its incredibly obvious when someone is smurfing and the system correctly places them in high ELO whereas RIOT loves to force smurfs to stay smurfs which wow what a great decision that is huh so great very smart

[thin coral]

ask 100 lovers and they'll all say
thank you charm hole

[winged bridge]

i respect the dedication tho. made sure to reply to everyones reply

[thin coral]

brother i understand game theory probably better than anyone here. ask coin flipper.

you are literally defending the BANNING OF IDEAS i want you to say that out loud, literally to yourself. "I like banning ideas". do you realize how that makes you sound? how does that sound, darth bishop and superslam? since i see u two typing

[thin coral]

i love you. seems i had a yuumi here all along ❤️

[novel plover]

Wouldnt call it dedication, more obsession

[random turtle]

rocket league does their smurfing 100x better than league does, they do their entire mmr system better (which ive said in a diff thread)

[torpid condor]

now thats just bad logic
ban a champion because I dont like playing against it or fell like I will lose if I face it is not "banning ideas"

[icy holly]

what the actual fk

[novel plover]

Agreed : )

[random turtle]

this is legit why league has bans

[thin coral]

blows me away theres even an acronym for it. OTP. i assume ONE TRUE PAIR is that it?

the fact that the community is fractured enough to even have a shorthand for this phrase suggests to me that BAN THE CHAMP should be its own minigame like wild rift or aram

[winged bridge]

people make acronyms for everything? BTW, TBH, TBF, LOL, LMAO

[random turtle]

alright now that im done playing rocket league, again like i said, the games are 2 entirely different genres, 1 is meant to be fast paced and chaotic (hence the 5 minute time limit that is set on every game), and 1 is the opposite, supposed to take a certain period of time in order to allow things to happen, such as drag soul, baron, etc etc, one is played like chess, the other is played like a fighter game

the one game that is played to be chaotic (rocket league) is MEANT TO BE FAST, the one that is played like chess (league of legends) is MEANT TO BE SLOW(er paced)

[thin coral]

i once went to a university lan party thinking i would have fun and tbh the LOL players were so insufferable and sad. i truly pitied them. why? cause i said

"teemo main looking for teem!"

and what happened? teemo banned every game. EVERY GAME. even in games i wasnt IN all cause i said in the LAN chat that i main teemo. oh wow great job guys you know i love going to a party wearing a sweet fit and having some assholes spit beer all over it awesome very cool!!! what a fun party!!!!!

[winged bridge]

thats a community thing, not rlly a banning thing it sounds like

[thin coral]

im reading Infinity and the Mind right now, incredible book. highly recommend it for serious gamers. i doubt this thread will fry my neurons. also i suggest playing Exponential Idle

[torpid condor]

tru
everyone hates Teemo and those who play with it

[novel plover]

The fact that youre responding to each and every one of these comments suggests that we already got to you

[winged bridge]

i wanna know his reasons again

[thin coral]

all words are made up, living language

[random turtle]

also just wanna make sure this doesnt go unnoticed

[thin coral]

uh oh stinky

[random turtle]

as well as this

T1 legit lost worlds because they drafted poorly

[thin coral]

fortnite bus

[thin coral]

thats not good tho lmao i would never advocate to add this into rocket league. im well aware its my own petty narcicistic hatred for conal vertice transitioning

[random turtle]

you're forgetting the fact that league has over 160+ champs and rocket league only has like

20 diff hitboxes

[thin coral]

so you admit its better to tell your mom you are playing rocket league than league of legends.

[random turtle]

no?

where did i admit that lol, its legit a fact that theyre 2 diff games with 2 diff intentions

again, its like comparing meat to fruit, doesnt make sense

[thin coral]

teemo racism is real because he's the only champ that can blind egotistical adc beefcake players like tyty one etc

"mancos dogshit teemo jungle"
lol stay mad draven blinded cry harder baby

[novel plover]

Teemo isnt a race

[thin coral]

male yordles get hated on
fem yordles get Dantes

[winged bridge]

ye cuz people never complain bout poppy lulu trist mid, or vex as assassins

[thin coral]

ok imall caught up
fraxx you admit that rocket league is faster and therefore saves time which is a good thing. not only does banning waste time but it also negatively impacts games so much that i even made a new word--negamer--just for this ban phase bad thread

[random turtle]

you're legit

[thin coral]

bro cmon everyone hates teemo

[random turtle]

missing my entire point

like bro

[thin coral]

how

[random turtle]

re read what i said again

bc i cba to say it a third time

[winged bridge]

cuz his point wasnt banning waste time or is bad. he said the hectic game is fast and the chess like ggame is sllow

[wicked slate]

I asked why you believe that removing ban system is good? Why did you answer riot balancing?

I hear that you are saying that Riot should be able to or something? But why should they remove bans?

[thin coral]

im not saying slow is bad. at no point did i say slow is bad. EXCEPT maybe sometimes when your dear old mother wants you to come down to dinner on time but you cant because you started a ranked match of LOL. she's now heartbroken by circumstance and you lose the game to a nilah/sona combo

so

[random turtle]

bro

[winged bridge]

???? XDDDD

[novel plover]

Are you ok... yknow in the head?

[winged bridge]

error404.exe ARgument lost. must reply with "riot balancing" and "fortnite bus"

[thin coral]

here's a reason why ban phase is good:
It allows miserable people to make other people just as miserable as them.

[random turtle]

MY ENTIRE POINT IS YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE 2 GAMES BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GOALS AND ARE 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GENRES

[torpid condor]

"Infinity and the Mind" is actually making this man crazy

[random turtle]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE AN ACTION LIKE SPORTS GAME TO A FUCKING MOBA

[winged bridge]

can you like explain hoW? like go into depth?

[thin coral]

I WONT LET ANYONE TELL ME WHAT I CANT DO INCLUDING COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES PERSONALLY ORANGES BLOW THE FUCK OUTTA APPLES KEEP APPLES IN PIES AND BAKED BULLSHIT GIMME A WHOLE ASS ORANGE RIGHT NOW IMA RIP THROU THAT SHITTTTTT

[winged bridge]

or are we just baiting adn farming reactions at this point, cuz if so your doing a good job

[random turtle]

idk ur for sure baiting

no way someone is this dense

[winged bridge]

once he saw 20+ people all disagree with him hes now resorted to baiting and farming attention

[thin coral]

once? happens all the time.
for i am Gamer

[novel plover]

This keeps getting funnier and funnier

[torpid condor]

negamer, as you say
lmao

[novel plover]

Hey @thin coral do you do birthdays?

[wicked slate]

LOL

[winged bridge]

love how yyangi and fraxxer are like tryna have reasonable arguments and this guy just refuses to answer XD

[wicked slate]

hours of free entertainment

[novel plover]

Fr, i think we scrambled his brain

[random turtle]

i thought baiting only happened in #league , but i was wrong

it's a shame

[thin coral]

negamer moment

[novel plover]

Stop saying negamer no one says that

[thin coral]

oh?? maybe you should ban me then.

[winged bridge]

negamer has got to go down in the r/leagueoflegends history books next to like that sion one sion otp with crown on supports and other people

[novel plover]

Sadly ignorance isnt bannable

[wicked slate]

This guy is having a Karen moment lmfao

[novel plover]

I would say hes gonna ask for the manager, but the discord mod in this convo already disagrees with him

[torpid condor]

thinking about it now, I feel sad for those who play with him
his Teemo is banned and he just starts running it down saying "It isnt fair that you can ban my champ" the whole game

[winged bridge]

suprised no one asked for his op.gg yet, or has someone

[torpid condor]

one guy asked at the very beginning of the post

[novel plover]

Now i wanna see it

[torpid condor]

actually it was this

lmao, found it
https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/Charmhole

[winged bridge]

u.gg and op.gg wont show his matches for s2023. only s2022. so i assume he hasnt played recently

[novel plover]

Thats funny

[winged bridge]

700 teemo games season 12. Keep up the grind king @thin coral

[torpid condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969295250747175013/1153511251117346846/image.png?width=865&height=185
it did show his s2023 split 1 games, kinda

[winged bridge]

not that much so its liek whatev, and cant see his match history

[frigid loom]

One problem though. The game is never balanced. Every role always has one champion that’s too strong at any given time

[small spoke]

what

banning of dumb shit like taht

[cedar bridge]

What's bothering me is that he keeps comparing League of Legends to Rocket League, and yeah there are different car models and stuff in Rocket League that can affect your trajectory, speed, and whatever else but those factors aren't able to completely change your gameplay or your enemy's gameplay

While in League, how you play against different champions completely changes your gameplay and usage of mechanics, which is why the ban phase is there, to alleviate the chances of getting your hard counters chosen against your chosen champ

[winged bridge]

nah the biggest problem is hes just baiting and refuses to give any solid arguments and just brings up "banning jdeas" or rocket league

[little oasis]

the biggest problem is giving a troll a platform to speak

[thin coral]

so then banning is even more goofy

[spare bear]

This is it

This is the one message that confirms this thread is bait

[frigid loom]

Bait used to be believe able

[thin coral]

"i have no proper argument so i will say bait and troll to absolve myself of any responsibility of defending why i love anti-gamer ban phase so much"

[random turtle]

me and multiple other people have given you proper (and completely valid) arguments but you either refuse to engage with it or you ignore the point

[worldly fern]

let's agree to disagree and be friends ^^

[astral heron]

Never seen such an infallible person before, when he knows he messed up but will keep going because his ego won’t allow him to accept defeat. Truly an experience for me since I have now experienced it so I can gladly say I will come out from this thread with a net gain

[small spoke]

@thin coral can you send an irl

[thin coral]

same to you

[thin coral]

im sorry but how is this a defense of BAN PHASE and not an attempt to attack me and my character?

you people are so fucking miserable lmao okay here i'll defend ban phase for you
Positive aspect to ban phase:
by seeing who they ban you can get an idea of the type of champ who can counter ther team

wow now was that so hard? christ.

[serene cave]

if there was no ban phase I would probably quit the game xd

[thin coral]

good

[spare bear]

Your main would not be banned every game if you stayed away from modes that show your name and by extension the fact that you are a one trick.

If you want to play clash just pick up another character.

Its part of the game that you will have the champ you want taken from you or banned, its unavoidable. Just like how if you die 15 times in the first 10 minutes you cant just leave without getting a ban. You have to sit through the rest of the game.

We can argue that its stupid but its a part of the game.

In a game that has almost 200 playable characters im sure there is at least one you can play when your main is banned?

personally i wish there was a blindpick mode with shorter que times and selectable roles

[icy holly]

can you just close the thread to avoid giving more people braindamage? this clearly isnt going anywhere

[simple valley]

how is it negative? there are a lot if statchecking champions in the game and they get countered HARD by one or two champions. Also you're not banning 10 champions individually you're banning one champion. Don't be salty because everyone is banning your main. Learn to play more than one champion

[vital cedar]

whoa holy shit what did this thread turn into

[winged bridge]

I mean he’s just baiting. If this reply doesn’t show that Idk what will

[novel plover]

Everyone trying their best to stop the braindamage as op baits

[winged bridge]

So what’s your reason(s) for hating bans

[wicked slate]

.

[wicked slate]

I asked op several times and this is what i finally got

[proud dome]

Op the kinda guy who thinks chess is too hard and everyone should be playing checkers instead because it's more "balanced"

[winged bridge]

No I want his reasons on why it’s “BAD”

[winged bridge]

Erm am I allowed to ban pawns from chess

[little oasis]

the issue with this argument is that it's from an entirely biased pov (onetrick player got banned out in clash)

so they're going to latch onto literally anything to "prove" their point.

[olive rose]

700 teemo games in bronze 💀

[little oasis]

they aren't trying to change anyone's mind. they're not trying to have constructive discourse. they're literally only here to either troll, or
-if GOD FORBID they're serious-
here to rage and vent

[serene cave]

has one person agreed yet that ban phase is bad or is it just league community vs bronze teemo otp rn

[little oasis]

they have no good arguments other than "Ermmm Rocket League?"

[little oasis]

I saw one anivia player maybe agree somewhat. It was a couple days ago tho so I don't even know if I'm right at this point

[little oasis]

(which isn't a good argument)

[serene cave]

xd, there are absolutely 0 high ELO players that will agree with this take, rocket league too is a different game, I think dota 2 has bans too I could be wrong, I'm pretty sure every moba in existence has bans

[novel plover]

Pokemon unite has no ban system

[serene cave]

probably creates some issues for the game then, idk I played it once for 5 minutes so don't rlly have an opinion on it, but for the most part most mobas do

[winged bridge]

Oh it did. Mew two in any match was an instant win. Could play any role and one shot peopel level 3. Really unfun. And it was after nerf. Same with zacian

[wicked slate]

It's because they need to make money off of new champs that they overtune on release

from the videos ive watched about the game, they been wanting a ban system

[serene cave]

xd

[cedar bridge]

I feel like Mewtwo would just be permaban every match

[winged bridge]

He would

[cedar bridge]

They somehow hired Riot's 200 years of collective game design team when designing mewtwo

but anyway

[novel plover]

Yeah tbf unite is the least balanced game i can think of

[wicked slate]

The game is entirely pay to win

[winged bridge]

Unite is decently fun.

[cedar bridge]

Yeah this guy is comparing League to Rocket League, then keeps bitching about the ban system instead of playing blind pick, ARAM, or just a different game entirely like Unite or Rocket League

[winged bridge]

He wants ranked blind so he can face j4, renekton, kaisa every game

[cedar bridge]

I kinda like arguing with idiots but too much idiocy is tiring

[thin coral]

SUCCINCTLY:
banning is inherently negative.
there may be positives to the negative
but it will ALWAYS be a negative.

banning in clash is useless since 95% of users are using alt accounts that dont allow you to see which heroes they use most

banning in draft/tourney/flex/solo takes anywhere from 40 seconds to 5 minutes which, if you add up that time wasted on something NEGATIVE out of every match played in 24 hours amounts to literally millions of hours lost a day to NEGATIVE META-GAME

getting banned is never fun.
"oh boy im glad i was banned!" - said no one ever

ban phase is Meta game bloat which adds unnecessary "skill" and "strategy" for insufferable negativity addicts. isnt it enough that there are aleph-0 infinite champ combinations for every game?

i hate it when my Teemo gets banned.
i dont care that im good with mord/yi/ashe
i want to play my Teemo.

[cedar bridge]

draft/flex/solo ban phase takes literally 30 seconds, this has already been stated

If your champ gets banned, PLAY ANOTHER AS BACKUP

[thin coral]

ur subtracting the 10 seconds it takes to announce the bans. i said 40seconds to 5minutes. stop being pedantic its unbecoming and petty

[cedar bridge]

Dude, 40 seconds isn't a super long time

[thin coral]

how many games are played a day

[cedar bridge]

THE FUCK DOES THAT GOTTA DO WITH ANYTHING

[olive grotto]

its literally the 5% using alt accounts on clash not the other way around lol

[thin coral]

multiply that by 40
thats a super long time

[cedar bridge]

Okay, and? That's literally 26 minutes total of about a 16 hour day

Plus if you somehow play 40 games a day, go do something else for the love of which diety(s) you believe in

[thin coral]

thats for one person, im saying an entire reason.
say a million draft games get played a day.
thats 40,000,000 seconds a day being wasted on negativity.
and honestly all the negativety directed towards me in this thread, calling me a troll etc, is indicative of the inherent negative and toxic nature of a ban phase

[cedar bridge]

This whole "takes up to 5 minutes" argument makes 0 sense if you're making the argument about a single game, because it takes 30 seconds

[thin coral]

5 minutes for bans in draft phase

[cedar bridge]

How is it being wasted negatively? It's people getting their biggest counters out of the way so they don't have to play against them, that seems much more positive than negative

Still literally only 30 seconds for bans in draft, please learn how to read a clock

[thin coral]

you are deriving a positive from a negative. Banning is inherently negative. just because negativity brings you joy doesnt mean its not negatie

[olive grotto]

the only thing you need to do to resolve this issues is to play more than a single champion

[cedar bridge]

It might be negative to you because you're a one trick who feels the need to whine and cry whenever your champ gets banned once in a blue moon, but it's fairly positive to get your main counter out of the way before playing

[thin coral]

you might be incapable of seeing the bigger picture here

[cedar bridge]

WHAT BIGGER PICTURE???

[olive grotto]

there literally isnt a bigger issue here

[thin coral]

exactly

[long storm]

complaining about ban phase being too long high elo players have to wait more than 10mins just to get into game.

[cedar bridge]

WHAT

Does anyone have that picture of Goku in a suit saying "bait used to be believable"

[wicked slate]

Is banning negative? I see it as a positive action

There's so much benefits to a ban system like a healthier meta and less champ frusturation

[cedar bridge]

Like idk what counters your main but say, I'm playing Aurelion Sol, who's biggest counter is, according to u.gg, is Katarina. Me banning countering Kat would be a good thing if I'm planning to play Aurelion Sol

Like being counterpicked every single fuckin game is annoying as shit and that's why the ban system is there

it is a completely positive thing that can alleviate the stress of facing the best counterpick to your chosen champ

[thin coral]

again, you are taking positives FROM A NEGATIVE. how is it NOT NEGATIVE to BAN A CHAMP?

[thin coral]

finally a good point. so while i agree that getting counter picked sucks, this is why its a TEAM GAME.

league is at its core a five vs five team-based game. counter-picking is inevitable and in fact the ban phase worsens counter picking.

like i said before, if players have to focus on the meta, this is the developers shirking the responsibility of having to properly balance the game. if everyone constantly bans a very specific champ all the time like lux then maybe she needs to be nerfed, yes? bu again, we are deriving a positive from a negative.

[novel plover]

This isnt entertaining anymore, just sad

[thin coral]

so, lets say i pick teemo top first pick.
the enemy team thinks "oh hes got blind, nobody pick a hitter like mf, jhin etc". this allows for my team to then counter pick THER counter picks, yes? this meta i enjoy because its a natural part of the game.

banning, however, is not natural. it is a negative that only wastes time and upsets players. you cant counter a ban. you can only play a different champ you know.

[thin coral]

hey buddy you realize you dont have to type here right? you can just leave? thanks. bye.

[random turtle]

banning is a core part of the game and how the game functions, sorry you cant realize that 😔 ✊

big reason they chaged the amount bans (3 per team, 6 in total) to what it is now

[thin coral]

still negative

[random turtle]

nope

[thin coral]

yep

[random turtle]

its already been said before, so ill entertain this hard bait one more time; banning contributes a LOT to how the game is balanced (which i dont think you understand how or why), banning (mostly in pro play) allows for strategies to be made, banning is legit a core part of the game and this game would be dead in the fucking ground without it.

if you otp, either dodge or learn a new champ if ur champ gets banned

simple

[serene cave]

idk why ur complaining so much, teemo isn't rlly banned that much, maybe it is in bronze but in higher elos it's banned like 0.1 percent of the time

[random turtle]

biggest take away should be that banning contributes to a core part of balancing

legit only champ that is unique to that is zed

and its because hes an unhealthy unfun champ to play vs

he could be 30% wr and he'd still be 30+% br just because of how he plays

sometimes im rlly happy that people here arent allowed to be on the balance team or make decisions for league

[serene cave]

true remove zed and yuumi xd

the balance team in league is sometimes sketchy too, like they aren't even in the apex tiers themselves

[random turtle]

eh i think for what its worth

the balance team does an alright job

literally only person i have an issue with on that team is phreak

and its because hes an egotistical loser

[serene cave]

yaaa he's not the best, they also do get input from high ELO players and one tricks so it's not the worst

[gilded flame]

Banning in absolutely not a negative, it's a positive. Being able to outright ban a champ you don't like to play against is 100% a net positive experience and makes it more enjoyable. It's 40 sec max on a game that's gonna last 15-50 mins..... wow such a long time!!!

If your main gets banned and you absolutely can't stand playing another champ then dodge and go play rocket league for 5 mins and try again. Easy day

[strange path]

banning is a bad mechanic in league of legends

they should have no bans in the game in exchange the balance team actually does their job

i wouldnt have to permaban like riven if riven was actually balance

banning should be removed in place an actual fucking balance in the game

[random turtle]

lol

[strange path]

fire the current balance team hire a bunch of toddlers for child labor i promise you they would balance the game better than current balance team

[gilded flame]

There's 160+ champs and runes, items etc. Balancing is impossible, it's also a f2p game what more do you want lol

[strange path]

iidk maybe stop buffing adc every month? that can stop the jungler perma ganking bot issue

so that u dont go into a game where 8 of the 10 bans are just fucking junglers

because 90% bot laners are like incapable of jungle tracking and just autodie to any gank that happens and their lane dictates the pacing of the game

every rank game u play at like emerald+ theres like 6 minimum jungle bans

top lane has to permaban the toplaner that hard counters their champ because toplane is so dictated by who a coinflip of who gets redside and bleuside

all midlane mages are just incapable of fighting zed because his kit just counteracts the weakness of his actual class but hes slapped into only mid lane

[random turtle]

another baiter 😔🥱

[strange path]

u know me well enough

[random turtle]

yeah i do

[random turtle]

which is why i said this

[hushed venture]

Back in my day bait used to be believable

[strange path]

im not a baiter this is 100% my opinion

[strange path]

also its just champs thats the main problem and like 3 items max that are problematic

in that case stop adding more champs?

if u cant balance the game how is adding more game mechanics that u dont even know work going help

every patch zeri is like hotfix buffed or nerf because they dont understand how to balance the champ or what makes the champ broken

everytime they buff a champ its the most psuedo buff 90% of the time or when they nerf the issue is like right in front of them but they want to keep it for some stupid reason

zeri not getting her e wallhop remove is like not removing yuumi w balance team is slow in the head

zeri wouldnt have to be chained nerf like 20 times if her e wallhop was remove since its a get out of enemy jungle gank tool

on a adc the class thats kinda balanced on having as ass mobility as a urgot

but this game loudest obnoxious role is adc who complain every season their class gets 1 shot

balance team is like half adc so they think adding a durabillity patch catered to them is a good change. Getting the same amount of hp armor and mr from durabillity as a tank/bruiser

cause they think getting 1 shot from rengar is so broken

if a rengar cant 1 shot a adc I think theres something wrong with the game

every adc complaining about counterplay
whats the counterplay of aphelios redgun boomerrang gun combo melee ranging me as olaf?

o wait for his gun combo only for him to cycle his guns in like 20 seconds

all adc just auto u to death with no counterplay

the closest one that actually has built in counterplay is fucking draven zeri would have counterplay if it dint get fucking offset with the rest of her kit

shes moving at the speed of light
she can wallhop from botlane to dragon pit
one of her abilities give her bullet penetration

or u can look at the recent champ releases where everytime they release a champ its just another variant of master yi
briar
belveth
yone
viego

gwen
they just gap close to you
auto you to death
have some bullshit defense mechanic

meanwhile ur dumbass decided to pick braum whos main purpose is to intercept projectiles and then senna just fucking exist ignoring your sole purpose as a support

[little oasis]

this just in, champion archetypes exist
this just in, champion counterpicks exist

i don't think people understand that league is never going to be 100% balanced
it's not even designed to be. there's always going to be a flavor-of-the-month meta, usually dictated by riot INTENTIONALLY overbuffing or nerfing shit

that's the point. they want certain champions to have their time in the spotlight.

[little oasis]

i dont understand this take

are you saying they shouldn't release damage-oriented melee characters?

[little oasis]

the counterplay is ensuring they don't get to a stage where they're able to do that. adcs aren't that strong until 4+ actual items. the role is designed around being godlike in the lategame, bruh

[little oasis]

they understand why she's broken, she's chain-nerfed / buffed because they want to keep her identity and gameplay style for the players who enjoy her.
it's not that they're unaware of her being an issue, nor that they don't know removing problematic things exists

thought it was pretty obvious by the fact that they didn't actually fully rework yuumi

they're also probably not gonna walk back on briar self taunt

i personally like the people who manage balancing, for the most part.

i think they do a decent enough job, esp since they have to account for so much nonstop

[gilded flame]

I honestly don't have a problem with it. There's counter play to every champ out there you just have to pick it

[little oasis]

or learn it.
most people who complain abt lack of counterplay do it from a place of ignorance, whether intentional or not.

[astral heron]

This new guy is clearly baiting, like not even hiding it, the other one clearly believed what he said at least

[little oasis]

idk i've met many people who share red's views

i haven't ever heard of fucking "ban phase bad"
what a weird fucking experiencethat was

[gilded flame]

Lmao that was just a brutal take from a coping otp

[strange path]

adc been flavor of the month for about a year now

[strange path]

saying they shouldnt add melee carries that gap close onto you auto you to death and have some bullshit defense mechanic

[strange path]

then it should be balanced that rengar and zed can 1 shot them

[winged bridge]

Sounds a lot like riven, ireli, Camille, yasuo, yone, fiora,

[strange path]

im not sure how wall hopping affects her two identify characteristics of being super fast and having interceptable q

[winged bridge]

Can’t think of any more

[strange path]

yeah it does! and we keep adding more for some stupid ass reason

[strange path]

they dont its so hordenus

you think they balance good until you see the role and rank distribution in the balance team

the good players in riot games are not game balancers they work in different departments(art, hr, diff game etc)

[winged bridge]

Jg is where it’s at now

[strange path]

no its not its been adc its just jungle actually can have some say in what adc does but that gets shut out by the support

support effects the jungler who effects the adc

[winged bridge]

Power creep. It happens. And Braum still has his uses

[strange path]

no he dosent hes irrelevent now

[winged bridge]

He’s a good counterpick against Mf and heavy aoe ranged attacks. And still has good synergy with like Lucian and Ashe

[strange path]

https://u.gg/lol/champions/braum/counter

look under best lane counters for braum and u will fidn that he has positive gold difference in 4 champs and its barely anything

this guy has at least 15 losing lane matchups

and the other 10 he goes even or slightly loses how is that viable hes not even a super duper late game champ or a mid game scary powerhouse

[strange path]

yeah hes really good counterpick against adc because he can intercept the projectile! uk unless its a champ who just kills him while he tries to intercept

oh yeah his lane synergy carries him!
lane synergy being only lucian but play nami?

this champ is dogshit u know it i know it and its sad because his kit is actually unique

[winged bridge]

Lucian doesn’t need nami to function now

[strange path]

thats even worse because he could only function with braum and nami back then

and lucian is like the only adc where braum is actually scary as shit

[winged bridge]

Yes he is I won’t lie. But that doesn’t make him unplayable. There isn’t a single unplayable champ

[strange path]

bro he has 15 losing lane matchups and the other 15 he goes even or slightly loses and hes not a midgame/lategame scary nightmare

[icy holly]

Why is braum getting all the hate again?

[strange path]

im not hating on him

[icy holly]

Wtf does this have to do with bans

[strange path]

im using him as a example that the balance team is fucking horrible at rotating what is meta and bans are a excuse so that the balance team can be ass at their job and not get fired

theres other champs that i can use as example

[karmic hill]

braum not making enough money happens

[strange path]

like the other 1/3 of champs i can use as good design but just never meta because riot
the other 1/3 of champs i can use as bad design but are always meta because because riot
and the other 1/3 of champs that are good design and are actually meta frequently

[karmic hill]

but Kai'sa and Ashe.....

[strange path]

ashe falls in the last category shes fine and hasent been meta shes going get rotated out

like i can remember periods in time where ashe wasent good and where she was strong

i cant tell u a period in time where kaisa in her time was not top 5 most played adc ever in all ranks

[winged bridge]

Ashe has like top 5 pr and has been

[icy holly]

Have you ever played a truely unplayable matchup in toplane?

[strange path]

for like past year but u can name times where shes been one of the worst adc in history

[icy holly]

Play like 2 games of illaoi into mord, or renek into illaoi and ull understand why bans exist

[strange path]

all toplane matchups are rock paper scissors from champ select the role is horribily balance

[strange path]

ok but why not just have riot balance it so its not based on who gets blue side and who gets red side

[icy holly]

Its not horribly balanced? Renekton and illaoi are both in a rlly good state rn but illaoi completely shits on renekton

Thats not bad balancing thats just a champ having the kit to completely shut the other down

[strange path]

its bad balancing

counterpicks should exist but it shouldnt auto win u the laning phase

[icy holly]

How exactly do you propose to fix the counterpick issue?

[strange path]

blindpick and remove bans and balance the champs by a large margin

the only issue with blindpick is having two of same champs in game

[icy holly]

Balance the champs by a large margin? Is your plan to have 10 garens in every game?

How exactly are you going to make sure champs dont have hard counters?

[strange path]

built in their kit

clear gameplay counterplay in their kit so its a universal counterplay

[icy holly]

Might as well as remove all ranged champs since garen cant gapclose in lane right?

[strange path]

if they dont have universal counterplay (say malzahar) make it so they can only serve as a psuedo carry or anti carry champ

[strange path]

i never said remove range top im saying to remove blindpick and bans and balance the game

this is a bigger issue than just oh i hate seeing kennen in the top lane because he got buffed last patch

[icy holly]

But ranged champs completely shut down stuff like garen darius?

[strange path]

if range champs become super meta and you know it u will play champs that specific counterpick range champs like aatrox and the enemy cant ban aatrox

[icy holly]

Isnt your point to just make sure counterplay is always available? By that since garen darius literally has 0 counterplay to range shouldnt range just get removed?

[karmic hill]

ghost/flash/stride/deadman

[strange path]

it gives a mystery factor so u dont know for sure but based on the current playrate

[icy holly]

But items and summoner spells arnt the point here are they? Its the issue that garen at his core just simply cannot beat vayne or kayle

[strange path]

lets say theres a vayne player but he only plays vayne into tanks

he will always ban the 1 champ that shits on him and if hes red side he will do his best to pick vayne in favorable matchups

[karmic hill]

i'm Garen main and i can't told you that you can win this matchup but yeah it's hard

[gilded flame]

Balancing it 100% means you'd have team fights lasting so much longer and be so much slower to get kills. It's boring, no excitement and that is what ruins viewership

[strange path]

if ur playing garen and u fight vayne in blind pick thats unfortunate but its alot better than getting blue side locking in garen and getitng counterpicked by vayne

[icy holly]

Im not saying this is the case im just simply trying to highlight the issues in his statement

[strange path]

every teamfight in league of legends is either the idiot who is out of position or the team who gets wiped in 2 seconds

[gilded flame]

They're intentionally increasing kill potential and snowballing because newer viewers and potential players have the attention span of a Q tip and need the rush

[strange path]

if u want to watch a esport that is just perma teamfighting go watch overwatch

[icy holly]

So we should completely scrap runes too? Since ideal runes for matchups dont exist anymore?

[karmic hill]

game isn't that simple yeah Vayne will counter Garen in lane but it can always be a dog shit pick for their team fight

game isn't all about lane matchup i think you all forgot that

[strange path]

one of the champ is a hypercarry adc that snowballs in lategame and eats any melee bruiser/tank the other is a earlygame bruiser who can half hp ult a tank or 1 shot a adc if the adc is immobile as shit and no peel

unfortunately vayne is not immobile as shit

[icy holly]

So is vayne bad balance?

[strange path]

yes

[karmic hill]

i swear that a Garen with hands just rush stride and shit on her

[icy holly]

But she gets completely shut down by high range adcs like cait and ashe

Is cait and ashe bad balance?

[karmic hill]

and Vayne isn't that good actually btw

[strange path]

she gets punished by people who ar e good spacing

[strange path]

and those champs by default auto counter garen

all adc are bad design besides draven because adc dont have a universal mechanic counterplay

[karmic hill]

i think you don't even know how Garen vs range matchup works at all

[strange path]

i do know how it works

[karmic hill]

no you don't and seems clueless to argue with you have a goodnight

[gilded flame]

There is always counterplay to everything and that is part of the game. They pick a hyper carry, you pick their counter. They counter you then you hope your mid or jg can counter that. Team comp is a huge part of the game. All adc can be counter by other adc as well as assassin/any other class if adc doesn't get super fed

[strange path]

u get harrassed into oblivion until u get upset and u use 10 movementspeed options to engage for them to use like a button to disengage

[strange path]

im saying coutnerpicks in this game overcarries a player

counterpick should be like 70% chance of winning 30% losing in unfavorable max

counterpicks in this game dictate if u win or lose completely and u cant do shit on certain counterpicks

every fg has counterpicks and they are really bad too but u have some sembelence of winning

[gilded flame]

Certain yes but that's why ban exists. Prevent someone from picking that absolute hard counter

[strange path]

try winning any stage of the game as ornn against gwen u lose all stages of the game

[gilded flame]

You do but then you ban gwen and no issue

[strange path]

try winning any stage of the game as ornn against fiora as vayne as olaf as jax

[winged bridge]

Teamfights!

[strange path]

blind picks and no bans means that its less likely to fight counterpick playaers

[strange path]

o yes teamfight except u get ur hp bar chainsawed by said gwen that u fed in lane

ur hp gets chainsaw faster than u can recast ur ult

[winged bridge]

Ornn literally doesn’t have to feed in lane unless he overcommits which he never has to

[strange path]

u be lucky if the gwen dosent start 2v1 ganging ur jungler

while u sit at top playing passively waiting for gwen to come back knowing u will get outscaled

u cant help ur teammate or u just int the gwen

[winged bridge]

Ornn plays passive is 90% of lanes anyways

[strange path]

league of legends is a rock paper scissors game but on a singular one instead of multiple ones throughout a game

the rock paper scissors is the champ select but for some reason one person has to go first instead of them going at the same time???

rock paper scissors most balanced game ever

[gilded flame]

Problem with blind is your team could pick one entire comp and if you're unlucky you get 0 counter to enemy team. At least seeing it you have some chance

[strange path]

seeing allows u to completely shut down a comp with 1 champ

if ur deciding blind pick as blue side u get to play full ad comps without having the risk that the enemy team picks rammus malphite on purpose

in draft pick if ur blue side u cannot draft full ad its literally illegal because u give the enemy the chance to pick rammus malphite

if u think one tricks would make this a issue because it forces them to play a new champ

u can just pick the same champ that hard counterpicks the 1 champ of the flavor as a guess

but ur at risk of fighting a champ that counters that champ if u guess wrong

instead of u 100% knowing if u lose or win the matchup before the game even starts

[novel plover]

What is happening

[strange path]

https://tenor.com/view/mozu-vpn-fight-madara-uchiha-naruto-gif-15270125
me rn

[karmic hill]

you know how it ends....

[strange path]

yeah its so bullshit and sad 💔

[thin coral]

🏝️

[gilded flame]

You mentioned gwen being absolutely unable to play against for ornn. She has a 50.48% win rate in emerald + so yes laning may suck but she's barely winning more than she loses. The entire game is built around team comps so obviously enough ppl are picking teams that work to make her winning a coin flip

[thin coral]

S T O P

*** S Tier Over Powered***

[worldly fern]

😊

[wicked slate]

@thin coral your prince in shining armour is here LOLLL

and they're an angry top laner named Red

[novel plover]

Why is this still happening 💀

[random turtle]

dont advertise

[thin coral]

its relevant to the discussion

[random turtle]

no it is not, now stop

[thin coral]

dont ban my shit, please.

🗿

[small spoke]

@thin coral send irl

or CT scan of brain

[frigid loom]

just say you either wanna play briar, or your favorite champ is broken rn and is banned every other game

no one in their right mind wants banning to be removed

[icy holly]

LOL im for sure saving that

[cedar bridge]

Nah apparently his main is Teemo, which isn't even commonly banned besides in lower elo. And he keeps mentioning clash and how people go on "alt accounts" so others can't see their mains to ban but I just have a hunch that it's because those people play more than one champion and are flexible in their picks

[frigid loom]

Hes complaining abt ban phase in clash?

[cedar bridge]

Like being a one trick in clash/pro play is NOT a good idea considering they can scout your account to see what to ban before matches even begin

And yeah clash is what he keeps mentioning

[frigid loom]

thats a skill issue then, just get better and expand your pick pool lmfao

[cedar bridge]

That's what basically everyone in this chat has been saying

We've also been saying to just play blind pick or ARAM and he just doesn't listen

[frigid loom]

i mean he can still play norms and ranked no? teemo is only banned in like lower than bronze elo

[cedar bridge]

EXACTLY

So unless this guy is in iron or bronze then Teemo shouldn't be a commonly banned champion therefore he can play him a lot

BUT HE JUST KEEPS COMPLAINING

[winged bridge]

He’s complaining about banning phase as a whole because it causes negative things

[cedar bridge]

"negative things" being alleviating the stress of being 100% counterpicked

[winged bridge]

Says because
Takes too much time
Unfun being banned out(which is true)
Creates a meta game around banning or something like that

Only thing I’ll agree with is my Katarina being banned does kinda annoy me. But I’d rather kat being banned if it meant j4 is banned. And I can just play other champs 🥱

[cedar bridge]

He seems to count the entirety of ban phase to selecting champs as the ban phase even though the actual ban phase itself takes like 30 seconds

And then he's just like "Well all those amounts of 30 seconds are gonna add up real quick with how many games you play" even though it's also only 30 seconds of the usual half hour experience of a league game

[thin coral]

Ban Phase is Bad

[cedar bridge]

Oh wow haven't heard that one before

Bait used to be believable

[frigid loom]

Just say you wanted a lazy way to get traction and link people your twitch clips brother

[slim aspen]

Hahahahajaj no.

[strange path]

ex toplaner now a jungler who fucks over bot laners

[severe pendant]

In Chess you play a number of odd games. If after for example 4 games players are even they will play another 2 games until sb won a game more than the enemy. That is for tiebreakers, for swiss tournament they use wins+ buchholtz from what I remember.

I still dont get your point comparing it to chess which doesnt work on bo3/5/7 formats

[severe pendant]

the percentage you describe isnt even enough for challenger which is 0.0001% in case of rank 1 or 0.0051% for rank 100.

How is the game designed to specifically waste your time?

[severe pendant]

your point being? All these champs are balanced. And yone and yas have different playstyles. My champ is very strong vs yas but gets clapped by yone

[severe pendant]

if time is your concern, consider playing wild rift
If you are in a F1 racing game online you cant pause either and those tend to go for a long time as well.

Thats like saying blitz chess is better than standard chess cause it takes less time

[severe pendant]

no they dont, you get into high elo in no time when smurfing

[severe pendant]

no you arent. Please dont reference me with stuff I havent ever said, thats basically argument loosing on its own

[severe pendant]

OTP doesnt come from league lol, the term existed way before. Do your research man

[little oasis]

otp is "one trick pony"
it's an idiom (its origins dont matter) that was carried over into league
it means you've focused on one particular champion above all others, and that's what you know how to best play

[severe pendant]

shame on them playing for a competitive advantage in a tournament. how could they. Did they also play with both eyes opened to have a competitive advantage?

[severe pendant]

yeah and no one is using negamer except you so its dead language then?

[severe pendant]

well then perhaps learn to fckin manage your time when that is a concern

[severe pendant]

hope they will implement a ban system in real football as well soon where you can just ban enemy team players.
Messi will be maulding being permabanned kekw

[severe pendant]

well you can compare them, but that will not change the fact that every1 else will call you a dork cause you dont have any good arguments

[severe pendant]

do you want to tell me that... league isnt solved? That even games with way less champions like Smash Bros Melee still have a changing meta with players and the game ever evolving?
No way!

[severe pendant]

considering you dont bring any arguments I dont think this changes much

[severe pendant]

considering you also attack us apparently

[severe pendant]

I am the anivia player but I never agreed lol. Just said that in most modes bans only go 30s and are healthy. And that I as an OTP cant clash if I dont want to leave my comfort zone, which is a sacrifice I am willing to take. If I wanted to play a COMPETITIVE 5v5 mode with 4 other players in a call, Id be competitive. Playing only 1 champ is NOT competitive - even if there was no ban mode, enemys would just counterpick the OTP player every game.

[winged bridge]

Acronym you mean*

[severe pendant]

you didnt gave any reasons for it being inherently negative. For me its inherently positive.

What is your source for 95% players using alts? Cause for me it was perhaps 1 player in the 4 times I played a clash tournament

Banning in soloq takes 30s

Facing the same champ every game isnt fun either

There arent aleph-0 champ combinations in the game, the number is finite as there is also a finite number if only 20 champs would exist and only the values of the formula change.

[severe pendant]

and just like ban phase that takes 40seconds!!!, they cant do anything in the meantime!

[severe pendant]

yeah, many ppl - especially in low elo - ban emotionally. And they also play emotionally. Thats a reason they are low elo

[severe pendant]

I do like his rundowns tho, watched 2 of them. While I may not agree with everything said he does use good spreadsheets to visualize the changes

[severe pendant]

riven is balanced, but I guess you just dont know her counterplay and/or are playing a champ that is weak against riven

[severe pendant]

they still want to make money you know

[severe pendant]

a game consisting of iron players or sub lvl 30 players that have no idea of how the game works up to challenger players and pro players is inherently not perfectly balanceable for every player. Bcs of this riot tries to nerf champs that feel disgusting to play against for casual players even when they are irrelevant at high level of play

They patch every 2 weeks to keep the game changing, they dont want for a meta to settle forever like fighting games (that rarely if ever get patched) do

[severe pendant]

wallhop is part of her identity that keeps her unique. And like everything else there is counterplay to it.

[severe pendant]

just like... there is a natural counter to braum called senna?

[strange path]

riven is not balanced ask any high elo top laner that isnt a riven player
Balance team and Marketing/Sales team should be seperate
Balance the game on players who are actually good instead of balancing the games based on ur silver player who has no idea what their talking about(kinda like you)
They change the patch every 2 weeks but some champs just perma stay in the meta like how graves hasent been top 5 junglers for who knows how long
wallhop is not a part of zeri identity its literally replacing your autos as ability and being super fast(not fucking getting out of a gank with the press of a button)
if you go to u.gg and look at braum gold difference compare to all supports u will see he has like 15 matchups where he has less than 500 gold on average and the other 15 matchups he barely is winning or losing BRAUM HAS 0 HARD WINNING MATCHUPS in the laning phase which is bad because braum isnt a midgame/lategame monster

[strange path]

and theres no counterplay if she wants to wallhop shes going fucking wallhop

[little oasis]

no, i meant idiom ^^
OTP is an acronym, yes, but i was referring to "One trick pony" which is an idiom.

[winged bridge]

My b

[little oasis]

ur good :o

[severe pendant]

Well if she would be broken, why dont we see her all the time from every1 in challenger and/or proplay?

well having no idea what I am talking about got me to d1, guess you are GM then?

Well, riot is a company that wants to make money. Of course they will make the game more enjoyable for casual players from time to time. As those are who bring in money.

Graves hovers at a solid winrate for a long time now. He isnt meta, but he is playable. So I dont see why he would need a buff.

Wallhop is a part of her identity, just like her ult or laser through walls is.

gold diff doesnt tell much, a champ that scales will more likely be behind in gold @15 than a lane bully. Braums wr is just barely below avg. I would like to see a small buff to braum, perhaps increase his q dmg a bit so he has better laning, but I think there are other supports that are underrepresented cause they are too weak currently

[severe pendant]

well u can pick a champ that can cancel her wallhop, wait for her to use it offensively or bait it out with a fake engage before or force her in a spot where she cant properly wallhop away; punish her for being out of positon.
A zed w for example is way harder to punish to follow when it is up as he can use it everywhere, he doesnt need a wall

[gilded flame]

Any game that is f2p only survives off money made from skins, passes etc. They will balance based off what is going to make the most money ie new skins dropping. At the end of day they are a business and want to maximize profits

They also make money off pro team buyins so balance a lot around pro play events but I mean we all know how the money is going for the teams lol

[junior pike]

Graves hasnt been Top 5 junglers for a couple patches now wdym lol

Its been dominated by Jarvan, Kindred, Reksai, Kha, and Nocturne

Belveth can be a contender

[gilded flame]

Depending on elo Evelynn as well

[thin coral]

what about in Shogi

[thin coral]

in the digillions? my god...

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nice looks like discord is goin green!!

[loud nexus]

Its like 2 mins

[frigid yew]

How is this related to anything?

[severe pendant]

OP used chess as an example where 1 side is favored and ut comes down to coinflip advantage

[frigid yew]

Ye but chess is not a coinflip, the advantage white has is like +0.1 which immediately goes into 0.0 if you play the standard top computer moves for the first 10-15 moves

Also what is OP proposing? Ranked blind pick?

[olive grotto]

The entire post is the op malding over not being able to pick his one trick in clash

[frigid yew]

Ye like I hate playing against fiora since she counters most of the champs I play, so ofc I perma ban her or I will not enjoy playing the game

Not only that, if we were forced to blind our champs, we'd be forced to blind our runes too. And I don't wanna face teemo top with no second wind, no Mr runes, etc

[severe pendant]

I know, I just referred to what OP said. In highest levels of play, ignoring ties, white has perhaps 55 wr

OP said that BO5 is unfair and boils down to a coinflip due to side selection

[olive grotto]

Funny you mention teemo, as op is a teemo otp

[frigid yew]

Ye like there's nothing you can do against a champions kit specifically countering yours besides banning them

[thin coral]

50+ champs can make you AIRBORNE

Literally Teemo

Only one who can

Blind

[cedar bridge]

And?

[novel plover]

Airborn is worse than blind????

[torpid condor]

you cant play 50+ champs on toplane dummy
thats silly
playing an Alistar or a Nautilus on toplane

[cedar bridge]

Personally I think blind is worse than airborne, especially in the top lane where auto attacks are a vital part of combos

[novel plover]

Not like you can auto while airborne

[cedar bridge]

Fair but at least airborne is CC that usually gets you nuked head on rather than an annoying thing that makes you unable to attack the long ranged rat

[novel plover]

Not to mention blind is heavily countered by mercs and tenacity, while airborne is unaffected by such

[wicked slate]

Airborne is worse, it's a hard (normally aoe) cc that tenacity does nothing against. Atleast blinding only affects a singular auto dependent champion.

[random turtle]

how is this even a conversation?

airborne is 100x worse due to their legit being no counterplay to it

if you get airborne, you are cc'd for that duration no matter what

the only reason you could ever say blind is worse is because of how fucking overpowered late game teemo is

his blind is 3 seconds and you can get ur cd down to like... 2 seconds lol

[frigid yew]

Teemo counters my champ since my champ is easily outdmgd by him, and teemo easily zones me off every CS if I decide to lane

[west hull]

For the unstoppable champions; they can cancel airborne but can’t stop blind, that’s one thing but that’s the only time blind is worse

[thin coral]

"i ban teemo because blind hurts and since no other champ has a blind my WR is higher thanks to bans"

good for you bro!! bans still bad tho.

[frigid yew]

I don't ban teemo, I ban champs that have a high pickrate and everyone plays on top

[thin coral]

homie ur missin the point by a mile just like most ppl here. bans arent fun, they are schadenfreude. you get pleasure from taking away the fun from others.

if you are counterpicked in your lane, then your teemomates must counterpick in ther lane, understand? bans add another negative layer to an already meta system of champ-knowledge. getting counterpicked is the price you pay for picking your champ first. god forbid the nerds that play this godforsaken game actually strategize and make plays with 4 other human beings

banning champs is never net-positive.

[random turtle]

you just have 0 understanding of the game and how it works

[gilded flame]

They'll never get rid of bans, it's a core part of the game and you're part of the 0.1% if even that who don't like it. Pick another champ or don't play the game, easy choice

[simple valley]

why is this thread still going 😭

[frigid yew]

If you get counterpicked you rely on your teammates, which feels like shit and you have no impact on the game afterwards.

My team counterpicking isn't the same, as a top laner your matchup is more important than adc matchup. If someone picks caitlyn into sivir it's still playable, if I pick singed and they pick teemo i will have 2 cs/m.

Top lane is already centered around counterpicking, and removing the ban phase because it's "meta gaming" will be horrible. Especially in this game where some characters are basically pick or ban in the meta nowadays (ashe, nautilus, kha'zix)

[random turtle]

0.0000000000000001%

[frigid yew]

Legit if you get counterpicked in top you have to sit on your balls and pray that the other laners win their lanes, this isn't fun gameplay at all.

[random turtle]

imagine being a yorick otp and having to be forced into playing vs irelia just bc theres no bans

😭

[frigid yew]

Riven players without bans when they have about 14% chance every game that their champ is gonna be useless and unplayable

[random turtle]

dont know too much about top lane mu outside the fact that yorick gets absolutely shit on by irelia

[frigid yew]

Most champions bruisers have like 1-2 matchups which are just unplayable

[gilded flame]

Exactly why bans are so good, means you can ban that 1 really unplayable and hope they don't pick the other one. Or if it's that one single one you're okay. Might still have a bad matchup but skill can at least make it decent

[random turtle]

outside the fact that bans are a huge portion in balancing the game, as well as it being a huge part of the game when it comes to strategy

bans are legit just necessary lol

the pros outweigh the cons 100x

and the con being ur champ gets banned

thats it 💀

[gilded flame]

100% lol but yes let's get rid of bans and make the game sooo much worse for everyone because it's more fair for otp who refuse to play other champs

[frigid yew]

I play singed so 0.4% ban rate, bet that 0.4% ban rate is just from teammates trying to force a dodge lol.

[random turtle]

in the 4-5 years ive played vlad

[gilded flame]

Lol probably, I don't think I've honestly ever come across singed yet

[random turtle]

he rarely gets banned/picked (since i hover)

[frigid yew]

It's one of the pros, I can always play him

[random turtle]

and hes constantly 4% pr/6% br

[gilded flame]

That's just it, pick a champ who's either niche or just mid. Nobody cares enough to ban them then. If you pick a ranged toplane for your OTP get ready to be banned because we all hate them

[random turtle]

thing is, they play teemo lol

[frigid yew]

Teemo is also horrible when counterpicked lol

[gilded flame]

Lol oh I know. That was the aim of ranged top lane comment. I honestly banned teemo alot until I decided to just dumpster him with mundo every time

[random turtle]

whenever im forced into top i just ban irelia

she counters every champ i enjoy top

[frigid yew]

Ngl for some reason after I learned how she works

I just stat check her on any champion I play lol

[gilded flame]

Honestly idk why but I've just been banning morde, doesn't matter how many times I play vs him I don't enjoy it lol even if I win it

Or illaoi

[frigid yew]

There's counterplay vs juggernauts, the annoying ones are the bruisers (renekton, irelia, fiora, camille, illaoi, etc)

[gilded flame]

Basically any that can take your entire tower from one mistake and a 30 sec death timer lol

[random turtle]

i just ban zed

0 interaction in lane, unfun to vs even if hes shut down

[frigid yew]

Reasonable mid lane ban, has poke, can play neutral, can one shot you randomly in lane.

[gilded flame]

He gets banned alot in all my games I've seen

[random turtle]

hes been the most banned champ in the game (consistently) for years

he is perma 30-40% br

[gilded flame]

Jesus is there even zed otp left at this point?

[random turtle]

ye

[frigid yew]

Ye there's just those champs who deserve to be banned due to how unfun they are to play against (viktor, syndra, zed)

[random turtle]

zed99, ll stylish

[gilded flame]

That must be a miserable existence lol just all the dodges

[random turtle]

deserved for playing zed

[frigid yew]

They probably don't dodge, if they're in high elo his ban rate reasonably drops

[random turtle]

Zed99 is the best zed in the world

LL Stylish is like masters/gm

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/kr/ZED99#championsData-soloqueue

somehow gets zed every game

[gilded flame]

Makes sense then, I am not in high elo lol very much a silver noob

[random turtle]

i think LB is very healthy atm

[gilded flame]

Lol every patch is them trying to nerf her or nerf shiv

[frigid yew]

Gm banrate is 23% at gm level, it's double that at gold/plat

[random turtle]

nerfing shiv is insanely dumb

cause shiv isnt the issue, it hasnt been the issue since it released

[frigid yew]

Bro now she builds ad...

[random turtle]

yeah shes building tri

clearly shiv is the issue tho

[frigid yew]

The champion is the issue ngl

[gilded flame]

I'm always super happy when I see her on my team, not so much on opposing

[frigid yew]

She has yasuo syndrome, if she's on my team she ints.

Btw on topic, the only downside to the ban phase is the ability to ban your teammates champions

[random turtle]

thats more the community being shit

[gilded flame]

If someone hovers and they ban that's just being toxic af

[frigid yew]

Ye but why does the game allow you to do that? Only purpose it serves is to force a dodge

[gilded flame]

It should have like a preemptive lock in that doesn't allow your team to ban those champs and you confirm or change when it's your actual turn

[winged bridge]

No one bans viktor cuz he’s not that popular even tho he’s disgusting

I remember he was pppular for a bit but then just stopped seeing more play

[olive rose]

No it’s important to be able to ban new champs so your team can’t run it down on them

[olive grotto]

New champs should just be disabled in ranked for the first patch

As they are NEVER even somewhat balanced and NOBODY knows how to play them

[thin coral]

riot devs and artists care way more about briars feet than they do balance to a game where no two games have ever been identical

[gilded flame]

Of course they do, new champs make more money than balance. Balance doesn't make them any money where as new champs and buffing a champ who's skin is about to release increases sales

[random turtle]

...that's the point... riot doesn't want two games to be played the same

why do you think people constantly play league, even to the point of addiction lmao

each and every game is different

[winged bridge]

But what if I wanna face j4 lb every game 🥺

[potent relic]

@thin coral I'm late to this discussion, but I seriously feel like you main Zed or something

the only explanation for an opinion this baffling is that you've gotten banned too often

I'm sure others have already explained the large quantities of obvious balance issues that removing bans would cause

but if you want me to enumerate them, I certainly can; also, bans don't just make up for unbalanced champions

(certain champions hardcountering others in certain matchups is not inherently a balance issue)

(and neither is players variably finding some champions unfun to play against)

[long storm]

crying over bans is useless riot wont and cant really do anything to the ban system and if your champ is getting banned a lot there is a good reason , its prob aids to play against , op, or new etc. and if thats the problem then learn another champ. there a lot of people that one trick champs in low elo but when they get banned they either have to dodge or they will int on another champ.

[winged bridge]

He mains teemo. He made this solely because his teemo got target banned in clash. Well Atleast that was the driving force that led him to make this

[random turtle]

im ready to see the nonsensical response he will make

[thin coral]

you are negating the negatives and thinking this creates a net positive. once again, you are another ProBan Cog in this machine, slowly turning pain into your own joy while the wholly Negative and Bad and Rude foundations of banning champions remains as such.

[random turtle]

there it is

[novel plover]

You have yet to give us a reason why these positives are actually negatives in your eyes

[gilded flame]

Because there isn't a reason lol it's just a salty otp coping and trying to find ppl who agree

[winged bridge]

@novel plover