#Does top lane meta matter in low elo?

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celest beacon
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Is being a meta slave or an otp a better way to climb in top lane?

unique lion
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In low elo being an otp is just better than playing the best champs every patch and it’s much easier to continue to climb if you are an otp since you should have picked up on a few of the more nuanced parts of your champ

hollow grotto
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it will also help you know what to build in certain lanes and how to play each lane

delicate fog
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both works depends on what you prefer

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btw champ that are kinda troll picks like mundo for example are rly good in low elo tho

novel rock
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yes

hallow ember
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meta doesn't matters, only until GM+ does meta really matter

celest beacon
hallow ember
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Also there are several challenger Yone otps that will play him into everything

deft raptor
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I watched a vid yesterday that basically said that the meta is just straight up different in lower elo

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Essentially like, Darius is very good low elo because he's good at punishing mistakes, in high elo players don't make as many mistakes so Darius's strength falls off.

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Nasus, not good high elo because he has no pressure, in low elo lane pressure next to doesn't matter because if you're low elo you wouldn't know what to do with the lane pressure anyway, plus people wont be able to bully your nasus in lane as hard so you'll scale easier-Whereas again the reverse is true in high elo.

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That's what the vid said. I can try to find it if someone wants, but yeah. It made sense to me

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Ah, how this links in to the question is-If you're trying to be a meta slave, you'll probably do it wrong anyway since the meta is different in low elo. And even the lists that are FOR low elo are generally assuming that you atleast know how to play the champion. I think it's better to find a champion who doesn't have a lot of hard counters and otp that.

sudden thunder
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If you’re low elo but able to climb aka better than the average player, you can abuse your top lane features a lot more

You can split push without as much punishment
A teamfight champion like Darius can get easier R resets

elfin lintel
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considering there are still a lot of OTPs for every champ in masters+, meta doesnt matter that much

deft raptor
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Eh.. Like. It MATTERS.

elfin lintel
deft raptor
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But look at the word-"META-Most Effective Tactic Available". That's what it refers to, numerically, what has the advantage? But always blindly following that without knowing why is usually more detrimental than it is helpful-And that's not coming from a league standpoint, that's just everything.

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And the "Most effective" thing doesn't matter when, as Timo pointed out, neither of you has a clue what you're doing. I don't mean that in an insulting way/

elfin lintel
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thats just the backronyme for meta fyi

And I agree on that, blindly following some arbitiary meta tier list wont make you a better player. Best it will give you a short term advantage, but if you want to STAY in the elo and not be some peaker, those tier lists have 0 value.

Consider playing 2-3 champs if there are matchups that are impossible to play - but are they rly impossible to play or is it just that you dont know the counterplay?

I am an Anivia OTP currently sitting in D1. I first pick cause I can deal with every matchup and give my team the advantage of having counterpicks. Sure, if I match an Asol who just completely outscales and outranges me later on, I will have a bad time, but that doenst mean that I cant get an advantage in early and later on match enemys I have a better matchup agsinst

nova kraken
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If u want to climb then just go meta or pick any of the top lane terrorists and u should be fine

unique lion
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As you get better and better you learn how to play bad matchups without really losing that hard, some champs have only 1 matchup which is truly unplayable, ban that and learn the rest

deft raptor
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I just looked up the backronym part-You're correct! Meta comes from greek. My bad.
In terms of counter play and impossible to play-As a fellow toplaner I can attest that there are certain matchups where you basically don't exist until laning phase is over unless the enemy laner is terrible(Garen-Vayne comes to mind). The good thing is, you're low elo-They' probably dont know what they're doing. The bad news is, you're low elo so you don't know how they're not using their strengths.
I think the two best options are as follows.
1: Pick a single champion that is maybe a little bit higher skill cap, but which has no or few extreme counters. Jax comes to mind if I want to play something like that.
2: Have a roster of.. say 3 champions. Champ 1 is your "Safe" pick, the champion you feel most comfortable playing or is a champion who can help in the game even if they lose lane (Like a tank) and champions 2 and 3 are "Counters" for when you're the second toplaner to pick and can try to pick a champion that is stronger than the opponents champion in lane/has an advantage to them or even just isn't hard countered

Also as someone else pointed out, learn to play weakside. You'll be weakside a LOT of the time in toplane It's not impossible to use that to put you in a favourable position.

unique lion
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I would just have 2, the one you main and then a very simple champ with safe matchups like tanks since they are also rarely banned

celest beacon
deft raptor
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Those are all fine.

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Your job in that situation is NOT to win lane, it's to survive lane. When laning phase ends, you use your abilities which are good regardless of how much gold you have to help your team-That's the essence of a safe pick

unique lion
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I mean you won’t be playing that champ often just when the matchup is unplayable or main is banned unless you decide to otp a tank and at that point you learn the matchups and how to make them easier

deft raptor
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Don't feed, take free farm, help team carry you.

terse vortex
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If you have enough champion mastery where you encounter the losing matchup 10+times, you will learn how to minimize, bait ganks, still use your powerspikes, etc

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And you also get to always ask the enemy "do you know why and how this is a bad matchup for me?"

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I don't recommend OTP unless you are completely in love with a champion, I think two champs and one offrole champ is good up through plat

celest beacon
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Why only plat

terse vortex
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Mmm, well the higher you go, the tighter people play, and usually people add a third to the pool

celest beacon
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Dzu has yone yasuo

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Both of them are pretty much the same as far as matchups go

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And plats on my team are trolling ngl

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I have like half golds and half plats in my games yet the plats are way more toxic

terse vortex
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Well yeah

celest beacon
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Especially since plats now are split 1 golds

terse vortex
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The plats on your team have the same mmr as the gold players, heh

celest beacon
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Last split gold is like plat/emerald 4 rn

terse vortex
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Ranks are a little wonky rn, you can say emerald instead of plat

celest beacon
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And I was last split gold

terse vortex
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I took a peek at the top 10 in NA ladder, it looked like it was one otp, 5 people who mainly played two champs, and then 4 people who clearly had a third/fourth pocket pick

celest beacon
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Cause you're looking at top 10

terse vortex
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I should sort by toplane though

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Well that already shows there's a couple ways to get to the top, no?

celest beacon
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Baus, dzu, pusipu, naayil, spearshot are all really good but they're not top 10

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Unless they try for a bit

terse vortex
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Ok...?

celest beacon
terse vortex
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When you ask what you should do, you should try and evaluate as many people as you can. Most people at the highest level aren't otps

celest beacon
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Top 10 isn't equal to low elo basically

terse vortex
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Yeah that's valid. Champ mastery is important

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A trick that really high level players do is continue to build mastery on a lot of champions so they can then play what works

celest beacon
terse vortex
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But I'd do the 2-1 approach personally and do.

celest beacon
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You can't just compare top 10 NA players to low elo

terse vortex
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I don't agree

celest beacon
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What rank are you

terse vortex
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Looking at what other people did to achieve is a good way to get a guideline for how to achieve

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I'm p3 at the moment, but I'm really using coach curtis's words

celest beacon
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You are missing the point then

terse vortex
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If the question is "does toplane meta matter in low elo" the answer is "not more than champion mastery"

celest beacon
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I specified low elo cause ppl don't know fundamentals, macro, micro, so a renekton vs riven matchup won't be won by renekton every single time

terse vortex
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I agree

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And an experienced riven has probably played the renekton riven matchup even more than the renekton has.

celest beacon
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Someone said here that matchups don't matter if you don't know the fundamentals

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Top 10 na players definitely know fundamentals

terse vortex
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Ok...

celest beacon
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Also as far as my current ranked goes I do play like around 7 champs

terse vortex
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Yeah that's a ton

celest beacon
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7 in top for other lanes less

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I basically have the 5-8 most meta champs in my pool

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It kinda worked last split until I lost when counterpicking a couple times in a row, so I stopped playing ranked

terse vortex
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Sure

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Counter picking works a lot better when you understand the matchup, if you play a champion a handful of times, you don't understand the matchup

celest beacon
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I'm bound to accidentally do something that counters the enemy

terse vortex
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Not really

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That is not how that works at all, lol

celest beacon
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The matchup has a positive wr for me tho

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In most matchups you can tell where you counter the enemy

terse vortex
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Just remember, the higher you climb, the less accidents happen

celest beacon
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I see pretty big oopsies in streamer/youtuber games that take place in masters/gm like drututt baus dantes etc

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There's a thing called "backseat gaming" where silvers point out every mistake that a challenger makes

deft raptor
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Kinda late but, I don't think looking at the top 10 players is a good way to gauge what is the right thing for low elo player.

celest beacon
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Ye

terse vortex
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I think the process is replicable.

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No one up there has a pool of 7-8 champs

celest beacon
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Highest lp euw at like 1750 plays 10 different adcs

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nvm highest has 2000 lp

celest beacon
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His second most played champ is ziggs, so probably for when he's autofilled

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But most top players have like 5+ champs in their pool and all of them are meta

terse vortex
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There's a renek main who plays ksante and aatrox a decent bit too, a guy who plays fiora/jax/irelia mainly, and a rumble/ksante/renekton player
Definitely all meta champs, yeah

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I guess it depends what you mean by "in the pool" too

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But the point is they've taken the time to play and develop mastery on these champions, and people who've mastered multiple champs aren't in low elo, so counterpicking has less value when you don't have mastery to back it up

shrewd dirge
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Not gonna win any games if youre not having fun so, try to find some middle ground

elfin lintel
elfin lintel
celest beacon
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Your point being?

hallow ember
celest beacon
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Why did he bring up top players having champ pools of 3+ champions

elfin lintel
fleet sonnet
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Kind of, yes and no. I'd say best role for low elo is still Jungle because you will have the most impact over the game

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For low elo if you're good at top you'll end up crushing your lane opponent 100 cs to nothing 3 solo kills and maybe carry the game depending on how hard your bot or jungle didn't feed their ass off

celest beacon
fleet sonnet
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You could get out of Bronze playing Yuumi top for all I care

celest beacon
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I'm not bronze

fleet sonnet
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Bronze is low elo

celest beacon
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Bronze is the lowest point of low elo if you're not trolling to be iron

elfin lintel
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with a yuumi top player reaching masters, the point stands, meta doesnt rly matter that much

celest beacon
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But it was s12

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Yuumi top isn't playable anymore

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Same with janna smite top, not good anymore either

elfin lintel
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then take any other champ that is not at all considered meta in their played position

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I was just making an example

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I know players having huge success with tank anivia top for example