what do guys think is the strongest team fighting ability

[viral parrot]

Wish

but depends on teamcomp

[drifting stratus]

Swain R

Or brand R

[noble isle]

Malphite R

[sour marlin]

Karthus R

[carmine granite]

galio r

lillia r

[tame obsidian]

full ap nunu r that fully charged into 5 ppl

[burnt dove]

Amumu R

[queen ermine]

Probably Taric R. 2.5 sec of your whole team is invincible is massive.

[heavy plank]

depends on the situation

[subtle escarp]

Agreed

I think people overestimate how hard it is to use taric’s ult. Atleast when I played him, it wasn’t hard to get a good one off

Still think Asol’s charged ult is the best tho

[tame obsidian]

dmg potential wise it's nunu charged r I think with full ap

[subtle escarp]

I believe fiddlesticks ult does more, and is a lot easier to hit multiple people with than nunus

[tame obsidian]

I think fully charged nunu r still does more, it's definitely not the best just has the highest dmg potential, I think it can do like 4 or 5 k fully charged might be wrong tho

[versed meadow]

I won't say it's THE strongest but one of them are definitely miss fortune R

If a team stands inside of it for 3 seconds or more they're getting aced

[tame obsidian]

ya u right forgot bout that champ did the calculation i and mf ult can do more dmg, but nunu is the most instantanious potential dmg to a teamm with around 18.4 k dmg if u inclue all 5 enemies and no resistnaces

[drifting stratus]

kata ult

[tame obsidian]

might be less cuz kata ult only can hit 3 ppl

[drifting stratus]

but she can also use it multiple times in a short span if she gets good kills

[tame obsidian]

uhhh i dont think that counts tho in theory uf u had axiom ark on mf u could also use it maybe twice

[drifting stratus]

oh yknow what ult is good, soraka

ornn ult is good for teamfights

full grit hearsteel sett W 😈

[tame obsidian]

lol not ult tho

[drifting stratus]

doesnt need to be

[tame obsidian]

wait a second

i coulda swore it said ultimate a second ago

[drifting stratus]

lol

[tame obsidian]

and i saw the creator of th thread typing

[drifting stratus]

its just most the good teamfighing abilities are ults so it could be confusing

[subtle escarp]

Veigar’s cage is comparable to an ult so that’s a good mention

[heavy plank]

not really

[subtle escarp]

Gwen W too

[drifting stratus]

how?

[subtle escarp]

Which one? Gwen w or veigar ult

[drifting stratus]

both

[subtle escarp]

Veigar cage is an easy stun that gets huge value even if it misses cause of its large scale area control

[drifting stratus]

im confused

[subtle escarp]

Wym

If the veigar cage misses that’s still a massive area that the enemy can’t walk in is what im saying

Oh ur confused cause i called the cage his ult lol

[drifting stratus]

yes

[subtle escarp]

My bad

[swift cloud]

💀

[crisp nimbus]

In late game theres nothing more op than Karthus R. Especially right now

[drifting stratus]

imagine a team of full squishies just instantly dying to karthus R, has anyone gotten a pentakill like that?

[crisp nimbus]

with full build and elder dragon doable

but if enemies dont have zhonya or malmortius at this point

then lmao

[drifting stratus]

im waiting to see that clip

if i can find it

[raw river]

Renata R

If it lands GG

[drifting stratus]

renata R when they have yi

[inner plume]

sera ult is always fun

[drifting stratus]

Sona >

[lime terrace]

Strongest as in damage wise or impact wise? If impact then Amumu R into 5 people

[winter lintel]

prolly isn’t it but i think darius ult should be an honorable mention

but his ult is ass without passive

[brisk heath]

This question is easier to answer by thinking the reverse

Who is the most useless champ in a teamfight WITHOUT ult?

Answer is clearly fiddlesticks since he doesnt do anything with no r

[queen ermine]

The original question didn't specify ult, and not only that, but this question is not directly correlated with the original question even for ults, just because a champion is dependent on their ult to be effective, does not necessarily mean that their ult is more powerful for it. (Kassadin ult provides a strong example of this).

[tacit musk]

Isn't milio just better if everyone is in range

[heavy plank]

wish isnt just the healing

its the fact she can save teammates from across the map and win fights for her laners while sitting in bot lane

[tacit musk]

this question specifies in a team fight

[heavy plank]

oh right i forgot

maybe with the cc cleanse too but its unlikely everyone will be in range

[finite harness]

illaoi ult is really good in team fights

[queen ermine]

The ability itself doesn't actually do a whole lot, but in the context of Illaoi's full kit, yea, it can lead to quite the hentai party in said teamfight.

[heavy plank]

idk its kinda ass

if illaoi is close enough to the team to hit for max tentacles she'll get deleted

theres no scenario where illaoi will get more than 2 or 3 tentacles from r without dying

[queen ermine]

Not if she's itemizing properly (she is supposed to build mostly defenses and enough damage for a reason). I've gotten 4-5 man Illaoi ults and destroyed fights because of it before.

[mossy field]

mfs is pretty good

an even to slightly fed mf can completely change a teamfight with ok positioning

[pine kindle]

Malphite R

[pine kindle]

Mf won't get 5 man ults outside of bronze

[mossy field]

she doesn’t need to and the fact that you think malphite r is a better team fighting ability is hilarious

[pine kindle]

Malphite R is an uncancellable, easy to hit, almost instant knockup

Mf R is easy to dodge or cancel

Case closed

[heavy plank]

crazy statement

saying malphite r when there is bigger better aoe cc dmg ults

[pine kindle]

Yet every one of those is harder to hit and has cc that's lowered by tenacity also not to mention malphite's R can be used to disengage or combo with other ultimates like yasuo R

[heavy plank]

neeko r is pretty much better malph ult with her new knock up addition

she can cast it while hidden, it has longer cc, has a disgusting ap ratio, can cast zhonyas during her r, literally 5x the size

malphite r wouldve been the best teamfight ult maybe 8 years ago

you are just heavily outdated and not keeping up with the power creep in league

[pine kindle]

You can run away from neeko R

[heavy plank]

not anymore

[pine kindle]

Just walk away

[heavy plank]

the knockup makes it impossible to escape from neeko ult if neeko doesnt have a brain tumor

[pine kindle]

Have some iq to not get hit by neeko R while she's acting as the red buff

[heavy plank]

lo

[pine kindle]

It's very dodgeable

[heavy plank]

the strawman is crazy why would neeko ever ult as red buff?

[heavy plank]

we should turn this on malphite then its extremely predictable when malphite is looking to ult

[pine kindle]

Tell me how is neeko R better than malphite R

[heavy plank]

you should know to flash as soon as you see the massive hunk of rock zooming across your screen

[pine kindle]

He can do it from fog of war, over walls and it's very quick

[heavy plank]

listed it already

[heavy plank]

neeko can w flash rocketbelt

you cannot just "walk away" from neeko ult with her new buffs

[heavy plank]

if we're talking about lack of vision from enemy team why not fiddle?

assuming theres a good spot of fog next to the fight where malph can safely ult fiddle should be given the same circumstances

[pine kindle]

Malphite R also has ap scalings, doesn't have to wait in order to use it, neeko's R can only be used if you get close to the enemies and neeko's R cc can't be comboed with something else and you can very easily dodge neeko R with something like gale force

[heavy plank]

whens the last time you played neeko

you know her r knocks up now right?

every neeko r should hit at least 3 people or you're a shit neeko

[pine kindle]

It can be cancelled, can't be used to run away and isn't dangerous to any bruiser/tank

[heavy plank]

if you hit more than 2 people with malph r thats a shit enemy team

[heavy plank]

fiddle will melt bruisers if they arent stacking 4 mr items

[pine kindle]

But the enemies not noticing neeko running at them makes them smart apparently

[heavy plank]

neeko doesnt braindead run at them

[pine kindle]

I can beat fiddle with any top laner

[heavy plank]

she combos her r with w to make her invis, flash then rocketbelt

[heavy plank]

thats becuase fiddle isnt a duelist? wtf are these strawman arguments

[pine kindle]

You don't even need mr items to survive it, check how much dmg it does before typing

[heavy plank]

it does like 2k alone

• his other abilities thats a teamwipe with just fiddle's damage alone not counting your own team

[pine kindle]

You think that fiddle melts bruisers that don't have 4 mr items, what a bronze tier take

[heavy plank]

i'll launch up practice tool how much mr do you want the dummy to have

you can even name a ridiculously high number

unrealistically high levels of mr you want 300? 350?

[pine kindle]

He needs lvl 16 for base 1750 dmg, it also can be cancelled and has a charge time as well as no cc, so malphite R wins

[heavy plank]

fiddle r has cc if you have q upgraded like a human being

[pine kindle]

Average bruiser with his 4k hp and 100 mr claps fiddle even if he goes R

[heavy plank]

and we're assuming this is casted from fog of war since that was your argument for malph

[pine kindle]

And if there's no fog of war what do you do? ff or something

[heavy plank]

Fiddlesticks channels for 1.5 seconds, then teleports and unleashed a murder of crows, dealing 3406 magic damage over 5 seconds

[pine kindle]

Malphite R can be used offensively and defensively

[heavy plank]

"what do you guys think is the strongest team fighting ability"

[pine kindle]

You won't be lvl 18 full build every game

[heavy plank]

i'll give the dummy 250 mr and 4k health

[pine kindle]

Your fiddle R gets cancelled by a blue orb

[heavy plank]

if they can see it and if you dont have good vision control as fiddle you should quit breathing

4k health 250 mr r deals 3k dmg alone

[pine kindle]

Apparently 2 enemies getting hit by malphite R makes them terrible (happens in pro play)
But enemies not having vision in a team fight where fiddle can R from is totally normal lmao what a terrible iron argument

[heavy plank]

i said more tahn 2 bro 💀

meaning any amount higher than 2, being 3, 4, or 5 since you cant seem to understand

[pine kindle]

Yet neeko hitting 3+ people is totally normal with every R

You're completely delusonal lil bro, no point in talking to you bozo

[heavy plank]

i can assure you there are 5 man neeko ults 1 in every 10 neeko games

[heavy plank]

thats fine you're clearly stuck in season 5 thinking malphite ult is the best teamfight ability

[pine kindle]

At least I'm not bronze like you making up false scenarios, getting hit by every ult that is extremely predictable with a long ass charge time

[heavy plank]

if you cant flash from a malphite ult you are below bronze reaction times

the only scenarios where malph actually lands a good ult is if the enemy team was blindfolded, being cock and ball tortured, hands tied behind their back, and choking on an 8 inch eggplant

[wary star]

Seraphine R if used with IQ

[high whale]

Are we at the point where malphite R, one of the best teamfight abilities is now considered bad now?

Also idk if anyone said this, but kennen can easily 5 man stun and damn near one shot enemy teams

[heavy plank]

no one said it was bad it is just not the best

saying fiddle and neeko ult is bad is insane

[drifting stratus]

Sett r is pretty good with the right positioning

[half vault]

Im not biased or anything but Swain with rylais means the entire enemy team has a 30% slow to content with until Swain is dead

Which 9/8 times is the whole fight

And that’s not even considering they’re also taking about 100 damage a second plus 1% max HP damage a second that whole time

[hallow tiger]

rumbl ult, karthus ult, fiddle ult, and then my personal hot take- veigar cage

[subtle escarp]

Karthus ult = lemme do the most damage in a teamfight while afk farming minions with e 100 feet away

Tho i would say enhanced corki W over rumble ult

[noble isle]

what abt ori ult

[deft oriole]

it's p unrealiable to land consistently imo, short range + squishy champ. Also reliant on landing E.

[heavy plank]

i mean no not at all

if neeko e's before r shes just shit neeko is expected to engage a fight with her r lol

similar to how lillia engages in a teamfight she flashes in q r zhonyas

neeko flashes in r w rocketbelt zhonyas

[deft oriole]

If Lillia is reliant on flash to engage, then she can only fight every 6 minutes?

[heavy plank]

it doesnt change that its one of the strongest team fight abilities

neeko doesnt really need flash while lillia's dependent on it neeko can just r w rocketbelt zhonyas

[deft oriole]

The gap close of W rocketbelt is p weak, no?

Malph closes that gap + more with a single ult

Malph also forces flash every time flash is up while Neeko Ult can be walked away from

[hallow tiger]

neeko's cant really be walked away from post update
if she w protobelt r's you it's pretty much guaranteed, and that's before any mindgames
i'd say they're both pretty even in that regard, with the exception that neekos is also dependent on protobelt (which, it's worth noting, has a cd on par with or under her ults - so it's always going to be a viable combo)
malph's is less risky for him, given he's a brick wall if he itemizes tank
neekos is higher risk because she's a burst mage now in melee range of everyone she just ulted, and zhonyas aint gonna do much to keep you alive there
but with that higher risk comes higher reward, in that her ult can more easily affect more people
AND it does objectively more damage in every situation past lvl 11, with almost-equivalent cc (1.5s knockup for malph, .6s knockup + .75s stun for neeko)

[brisk heath]

Neeko could technically build tank

[hallow tiger]

[sour marlin]

there's a champ for that he's called amumu

[bleak haven]

im sorry but 99% of the playerbase do not have hands for that

[topaz glade]

the ability to keep a calm and friendly mentality even when you or others loose their lane

[pine kindle]

Doesn't do much

[winter lintel]

not sure if anyone brought up vlad r?

[drifting stratus]

Thats what im saying most of the people who dodge malph ult is because they predicted it and didnt react to it

[queen ermine]

One should also consider that Flash is a 300 second CD, and Malphite ult is a lot lower than that.

[drifting stratus]

True, yknow the solution to beating a fed malphite, is to not feed the malphite