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People want to say "yasuo so broken he has infinite mobility in lane and 2.5x crit and shield and wholesome ornn just have rock and fire :("

I just had a game where I was 8/1/5, up 2 entire levels and an item and a half, and destroyed 4 more entire turrets (for reference of my map impact) than a Nasus. It was 19 minutes and Nasus was going even in lane, LESS cs than me, so its not like he had 1000 stacks, nor even the time to hypothetically get there.

I go top lane to help my going-even Kayn, he gets the knockup, we kill him, yay. Nasus finishes divine sunderer, goes mid lane, I try to stop him from taking my turret and the motherfucker W's me, gets rid of all my attack speed, I cannot sustain in the fight because of it, and I am actually forced to flash away.

Minutes later, (and I have the clip of this), I am 9/1/6, 80% hp, with a 100% hp FED Jhin, at their inhib, turret is broken by this point. Nasus is still down an entire life and a full item and a half. He's actually only one level up on the ADC. I make the horrible mistake of getting POINT AND CLICKED W'd, again, but I make the most of the situation. I Q on cooldown (which, because of his W, is still long enough to let him Q me twice, which, for the record, puts me under 200 hp even without his E armor shred.) I Q3 him, maximize the knockup length, get an auto in for extra damage, before I ult him to extend the knockup length even more, while this ENTIRE time Jhin is wailing on him with his entire kit. After my ult, I flash away to try to kite him, but he just flash and Q's me from literally farther away than my Q wouldve hit because of his ult giving him bonus size, kills me, then kills Jhin with literally no issue and ends with a heart 40% hp.

Literally what could possibly be the counterplay for my champ?? What am I actually supposed to do in this situation. I did everything right. I minimized the amount of time he was hitting me, landed everything, maximized the amount of time he was stunned, maximized my damage, TWO V ONE'D HIM WITH A FED ADC WHILE I WAS 6 KILLS, AN ITEM AND A LEVEL UP, WITH NO TURRET OR TEAMMATES TO HELP HIM.

I don't know if this is Nasus being broken or my champ being ass after 13.10, but if you need to see the clip I will DM it to you, it happens beat for beat how I said it, I am not embellishing a single detail. PLEASE, what am I supposed to do in this situation? I was literally up in every regard, from levels to items to teammates present. Sure, I wasn't full health at the start of the fight, but guess what? I had anti tank & lifesteal items, AND AN ENTIRE OTHER PERSON WHO WAS 100% HP AND JUST AS AHEAD.

simple root
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cuz nasus is bullshit

distant badge
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but when you say that its like "says the yasuo player 🤣 🤣 imagine having infinite dashes and losing to wholesome nasus 🤣 just dodge???"

chrome venture
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you got counter picked what are you complaining about

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league players when their atackspeed reliant character

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gets reduced attack speed and cant win the 1v1

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jhin is also bad into tanks btw

distant badge
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I was not top lane.

supple acorn
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nobody says this seriously, people hate windwall, that's it.

distant badge
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I honestly do not believe that

quartz turtle
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ive never heard someone call yasuo broken

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quartz turtle
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where

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Especially in low elo, people seem to think he is the worst mistake riot has ever made

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Literally click the search icon and type "yasuo is broken" and see hundreds of people in this server complaining about this champ

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simple root
quartz turtle
simple root
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yasuo is fine, nasus is bullshit

distant badge
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like my bad i got point and click 95% slowed for 5 entire seconds

simple root
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yea and it has 0 cd endgame

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nasus is a bullshit champ. in lane he isnt fun cuz he is farming machine and playing against him isnt fun either cuz you have to be top 24/7 or nasus gets 100 stacks if you are away for a minute and haha you are doomed

distant badge
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i hate champs that refuse to fight you in lane and can get away with it

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nasus actually has enough sustain with his passive, fleet footwork, dshield and second wind to completely ignore most matchups as long as he plays safe. by the time hes actually low hes out of mana and recalling anyway

low nimbus
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yeah man, some champions beat other champs. Someone could post an exact replica of your post but with "so im playing syndra and this YASUO literally UNHITTABLE keeps killing me in lane even though im better than him"
although i find infinite scaling the worst mechanic in any competetive game and nasus should be reworked

opal basin
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yasuo hatred goes way deeper than just haha crit or windwall but youre talking about a poorly designed broken counter to yasuo of course you lose, thats kind of the point of playing nasus

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i dont even know why youre trying to have a "wholesome tank" reddit mindset when you play things like yasuo, ignore all of that youre the punching bag

obtuse imp
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Nasus has been busted ever since riot decided to let Nasus R give more resists and halve his Q CD for the duration. His W has always been pretty absurd because of the AS slow on it (and it lasting almost as long as its CD by late game due to AH).

acoustic arch
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sorry but what do u expect when trying to fight a juggernaut with ult
the counter to nasus has always been walk away when he uses ult
without his ult he's pretty meh unti like 4 items 600 stacks
and dont try to 1v2 him RWakkoshrug esp not as 2 adcs
he's entirely designed to counter ur archetypes
the tradeoff is that u, as yasuo, are way more powerful and impactful early on in the match

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dealing with nasus is always 2fold
bully him in lane so he cant get xp, like any other scaler
and then play the game 5v4 until he gets back into the game thru sidelane

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if u cant end before that then he's kinda done his job- he's survived til lategame
complaints about hyperscalers always confuse me ngl
I've always felt they're the easiest to deal with in this game

proven sparrow
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He gets destroyed and kited out in teamfights

acoustic arch
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he's a hyperscaler in terms of doing what he wants

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if he's in a 1v1 or 1v2 he's usually going to win past midgame, unless the champions he's against are ridiculous counters (like a tank and a vayne, or a fiora)

simple root
acoustic arch
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qss

simple root
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its 0 cd: ok

acoustic arch
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or dont walk in range of w, bc honestly u shouldnt be near him to begin with

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dont get me wrong, the guy annoys me probably more than anyone else (im a yone top player lol)
but he does have pretty clear strengths and weaknesses

molten dagger
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this sounds like a nasus issue

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yeah let me build QSS into a team with otherwise no cc. for nasus. the ability is point and click and like 7 second cooldown with 5s duration, that is not something you just "build qss" for because its 90s cd to effectively 2.

molten dagger
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wither is just not balanced

distant badge
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i dont think you did. in the situation i described a syndra would have literally evaporated.

distant badge
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there is no "window" to beat him if that is consistently true. what am i actually supposed to do, ever, if getting ahead in every possible category does not work

molten dagger
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wither broken end of story

distant badge
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the counterplay to a champ shouldnt be "just dont", but also they have ways to force you to fight them anyway.

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like "okay you have to take cleanse, you cannot ever fight him if his 60s cd ult his up, you have to perfectly kite him, you need to be up 2 levels and 2 full items, and you need to play with the rest of your entire team"

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this is basically what you are saying and you see no problem with a champ being designed like that.

molten dagger
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none of that other stuff

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as strong as wither is he can only wither one person at a time so the other 4 are free to whack him to death

distant badge
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champs shouldnt be designed to be "worth" more than 1 champ. what happens if riot creates 4 other champs that have that design philosophy? do you need 25 people to win?

molten dagger
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hes just a juggernaut thats kinda what they are

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examples of other juggernauts you shouldnt fight 1v1 are darius, urgot, mundo, etc

distant badge
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those champs have clear counterplay though

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if you have any way at all to kite darius all you have to do is dodge E and you should win

molten dagger
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ok and how would you counterplay a lvl 16 urgot other tahn avoiding him lol

distant badge
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its obviously pretty hard and champ dependent but a lot more realistic than nasus apparently (which should not be true)

molten dagger
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trust me no one beats lvl 16 urgot

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not even nasus (with reasonable stacks)

distant badge
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fiora, no?

molten dagger
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no she will just get dogged unless she lands perfect parry

distant badge
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kayle definitely wins. hybrid damage, armor shred, can kite him and has her ult

molten dagger
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doesnt matter point is some champs you just have to avoid

distant badge
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shitty design philosophy is what it is

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simple root
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Or just don't let him run around you

acoustic arch
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woah! scaling champ is impossible to deal with!

i guess you think kayle is ridiculously overtuned as well?
Kassadin?
Anivia?

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what about ornn or vayne or yi?

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all of those champions can effectively 1v2 or v3 or even v4 if they're in lategame
it doesnt matter if they're down items. their champions naturally are stronger with levels than other champions are, or synergize more with items than other champions would

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stop complaining about it and learn how to play against him. nasus is NOT unbalanced, because if he WAS then you'd see him dominating higher tier and not just lower tier.
it shows more about YOU than it does nasus when u complain like this lmfao @distant badge

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lose ur ego and stop blaming champs for ur loss

celest lance
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i get playing aagainst juggs can be frustrating but remember

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you could be playing sion into camille or some other bs

distant badge
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he was level 12.

celest lance
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okay bro let me point something out, botrk, executioners, kraken

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i built bork AND kraken.

celest lance
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gw?

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and i had a last whisper.

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i ignited him

celest lance
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then you misplayed

distant badge
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no. i didnt.

acoustic arch
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there is no way you didn't misplay

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if u had all of those at 19m and still lost

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i q'd him max range to try to kite, got W'd, had only him to E to so I auto E'd (e because you get more distance from him when you are closer, auto beforehand because he is walking towards me so when the auto is over E will get farther away) Q2, walk away as best as i can (didnt really do anything), Q3, R, flash away to try to kite more, get flash Q'd on, die.

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what else can i do.

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i auto'd before R also and waited last second to ult to get max stun duration so jhin had more time to do damage & nasus ult would burn out longer.

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nvm just checked, wrong game, i did not have last whisper yet but i did have bork, IE, ignite, + vamp scepter + crit cloak.
still, the 18% armor pen doesnt account for the 50% hp he had left after killing me.

graceful quartz
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bro just nerf nasus wither 😭

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karma typing an essay

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no just checking against the clip as i type

graceful quartz
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oh

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i mean until the day nasus wither doesnt slow attack speed by 75% and slow by 95% ill call him bs

distant badge
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nasus WAS GW'd, but let's pretend for a second he wasn't and that what he healed was actually at 100% effectiveness. he healed for 500 (rounded up) in this fight, if we take 40% of that away, he would've healed for 300, and he ended the fight on 800 hp. If he was 200 hp lower, he still would've lived.
so ignite didn't matter, at all.

as I said, i was not full hp, however nasus Q'd me exactly 3 times. his Q did 550, 800 something with sunderer, and I had 2000 hp (exactly actually), so nasus would STILL have killed me in 3 qs if i wasnt full hp

and remember that mistake i made about not having last whisper? would anyone like to tell me what yasuos R passive does? 50% armor pen you say? huh, and it didn't matter? interesting...

proven sparrow
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Did you ult him before or after he ulted

distant badge
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after

proven sparrow
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Also, yasuo and jhin aren’t dps monsters vs Nasus anyway. If you had a Kogmaw you’d win the fight pretty easily

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I don’t see you beating a Darius/Olaf either

distant badge
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maybe if it was even

proven sparrow
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Yasuo can’t do shit vs Nasus ever

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but i am 9/1/6, up 2 levels and an item and half, building specifically against him.he is like 3/7 at this point and its 19 minutes.

proven sparrow
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Wither doesn’t care about any of that

acoustic arch
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send clip

distant badge
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ok

proven sparrow
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Wither values are flat

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Nasus could be 0 30 and it’ll still destroy yasuo

distant badge
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95% is genuinely disgusting

proven sparrow
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He’s a boring stat checker

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Yasuo can’t stat check him

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Jhin does no damage to tanks at 19

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Your Kayn kinda griefed you by picking Kayn

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If he went something that can match Nasus in sides you’d be fine.

distant badge
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red kayn counters nasus no?

proven sparrow
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Apparently he does WEIRD WEIRD

distant badge
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red kayn beats hp stackers me thinks

proven sparrow
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Then your top laner just sucked my guy

distant badge
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he went like 3/4 or something (with my help) by that pont

proven sparrow
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Nasus vs Kayn looks actually brutal statistically

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He should be matching the Nasus in sides at all times

distant badge
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kayn top is underrated lowkey, max w and poke until you can run it down with ignite + R (doesnt even matter if you lose) for form

acoustic arch
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he has 450~ stacks, 2 items to counter you (and jhin), and sunderer

  • you started fight at 1200 hp, without passive shield, without bone plating, and got hit by his q while in his e, which sunders ur armor by around 35% at this rank (if he didnt max it first)
    you would've won the fight if you stood on top of him autoing and qing instead of kiting away
distant badge
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any tank or bruiser top immediately starts losing

acoustic arch
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you would've won without dying to him, at least
and even if you did die, you'd have taken him low enough for jhin 4th to execute

proven sparrow
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The correct play is to kite though

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acoustic arch
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nah, kiting was bad here- he lost 3 autos worth of dmg that wouldve killed

proven sparrow
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But how much q damage did he kite?

acoustic arch
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it DOES matter that you didnt start with it, because your r RESETS it

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proven sparrow
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But I mean Nasus was probably not playing mechanically perfect either, I just don’t think you should ever be taking that fight as the Jhin and yas WeirdCHAMP

distant badge
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"mechanically perfectly" is mashing the q button after right clicking on enemy champion once

acoustic arch
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if you had bone plating up, you win
if you had passive up at start? you win
if you stay on top of him? you win
hell, he almost died regardless to jhin 4th but the lack of antiheal means his sunderer + lifesteal healed him enough off of last hitting you

proven sparrow
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As a jax player, if a yasuo and Jhin run at me I’m laughing

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They aren’t designed to kill bruisers/juggernauts

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proven sparrow
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Yeah

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but in this situation, how it played out

proven sparrow
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There’s almost always room for mechanical improvement in a fight, but given similar levels of skill I don’t think yasuo is ever coming out on top

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proven sparrow
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Wait for BP + passive ig

acoustic arch
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or bare minimum gone 1 for 1, with jhin getting the kill

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i am completely aware of the counterpick, i just feel like at some point the sheer statistical difference should give me SOME degree of confidence no??

proven sparrow
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Not really

acoustic arch
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you also didnt crit but once after ring him, so you didnt benefit from your 50% pen

proven sparrow
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It takes a shitton of gold and xp to overwhelm a kit diff this big

acoustic arch
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the 50% pen only applies on crits, and only applies on BONUS armor, not TOTAL armor

proven sparrow
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Right, and Nasus has good base armour if I remember right

distant badge
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you can see it if you go frame by frame, its an auto Q after the r, not just Q. they both crit. one for 240 one for 198

proven sparrow
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Also 450 stacks at 20 mins

distant badge
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i dont understand that tbh, he had less cs than me.

acoustic arch
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true, but one missed crit made the dif

molten dagger
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why we still on this topic

proven sparrow
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Is actually pretty good. It’s not monstrous but it‘s insane extra damage over the normal 10 stacks per minute you’d expect

acoustic arch
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2/3 means death for u
3/3 mean u kill

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molten dagger
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nasus wither is broken thats kinda all we need to know

proven sparrow
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Wither is a disgusting ability

molten dagger
acoustic arch
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wither IS tough, but like
it's specifically designed for 1 on 1

distant badge
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even if he q'd every single minion, ignoring cannons he should have about 260 stacks, if he got every cannon we can maybe get that to like 350, where is the extra 100 coming from

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proven sparrow
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But any other juggernaut and most bruisers win in this situation too imo WeirdCHAMP

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molten dagger
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he can only wither one person thats his only weakness

acoustic arch
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it's not the only one, but it's a pretty glaring one yeah

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i dont know im pretty sure id win against a darius here

molten dagger
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isnt juggernaut just another name for bruisers

proven sparrow
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No

acoustic arch
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no
bruisers usually have some mobility, juggs usually dont
think vi vs illaoi

molten dagger
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so many league classes

proven sparrow
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Jax is the archetypal bruiser

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But Tbf they’re all bruisers, I just say juggernaut cause that’s what League specifically balances Nasus as

molten dagger
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i looked on wiki and bruiser is the class while juggernaut is the subclass

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so yea all juggernauts are bruisers but not all bruisers are juggernauts

proven sparrow
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He has massive damage and tankiness in exchange for no mobility

distant badge
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but he can completely remove someone elses mobility

proven sparrow
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And Jhin/yasuo aren’t champs that deal with that super well

molten dagger
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actually jax is considered an assassin

distant badge
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so now its his massive damage and tankiness while the other person has at most one of those things

molten dagger
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not assassin hes a skirmisher oops assassin is the other one

proven sparrow
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That’s dumb as fuck considering the fact that jax stacks hp and cdr and acts as a frontliner

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Idk what “skirmisher” means WeirdCHAMP

distant badge
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yeah jax builds sunderer hes not an assassin

molten dagger
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skirmisher so he goes into the same category as yasuo, yone, yi, riven etc

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proven sparrow
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Imagine grouping jax and samira together xd

molten dagger
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samira isnt a skirmisher shes a marksman

proven sparrow
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Anyway, Nasus will always smash the shit out of yas

distant badge
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samira is definitely a skirmisher

molten dagger
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she does not play at all like a marksman, she gets her stacks then goes in 1v5 just like a riven or yi would

proven sparrow
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Vi tank

molten dagger
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vi is a diver

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which does make sense considering her job is to r into the enemy team

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pre-13.10 samira built the exact same items as yas/yone except she build shieldbow first instead of zerkers

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builds like a skirmisher, plays like a skirmisher, is a skirmisher

molten dagger
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to be considered a skirmisher you need consistent dps and some kind of defensive ability

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samira has defensive ability but not consistent dps

distant badge
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auto weq auto R auto weq auto R
pretty consistent, problem is it stops being consistent when you miss anything before ult, but is that not true of other skirmishers?

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like if riven decides to just Q into air pre-2 items and she just has to sit there for 6-12 seconds without her main dps ability

obtuse imp
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Skirimishers are melee, that's why Samira isn't one. She does kind of play like one sometimes, but she can also play more like a regular marksman if the situation calls for it.

supple acorn
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samira is considered a skirmisher im p. sure

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the subclasses are guidelines for champion design and how they intend for them to play, they aren't set-in-stone and can be bent to accomodate for special cases

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good examples of this are kled being a skirmisher and mundo being a juggernaut

lavish niche
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And i think yasuo lose to nasus is very normal, that champion is build to kill AS squish champ (adc and Yasuo)

modern meteor
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Wait people still say Yasuo is broken?

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Didn't hear that one in a while actually
Imo Yasuo is one of the most annoying champions to lane against BCS of windwall + passive, but it's far from broken

acoustic arch
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he is annoying to play against
but yeah no, nobody past gold genuinely thinks he's busted

modern meteor
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Also what's important about Nasus is to wait out the Ult and the W
I assume that given you said Jhin was wailing on him, he was in ult
Let that run out (You had lots of CC and presumably things like Galeforce) and then engage after

Depending on itemization he may have counterbuilt against AD specifically too

simple root
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yasuo is fine, nasus is super boring to play as and against

kind summit
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wither is absolutely giga busted and i still have no clue why they buffed that shit lol