Should i just give up on adc?

[gilded juniper]

I have started maining adc some days ago but im doing reaaaaal bad as it,i did have some fed matches but mostly not,my previous main was top,i find adc more fun,but im worse at it

i have a 48% wr on bot (just in a few days)

and 73% on top

[proud gorge]

Do whatever you like playing

If you dont have fun playing bot then dont play, but do keep in mind the skill floor for adc can be high

[steel nimbus]

Why s oserious?

[gilded juniper]

i do like adc but the wr is dissapointing

[gilded juniper]

wdym by this

[pine prism]

48 isn't that bad
Just give it some time

[gilded juniper]

alright
i have like 15 games till now on adc

[uneven crater]

Our role sucks, but on the other side, if you climb as ADC you clearly overperform most players, ADC becomes relatively more easy on high Elo since you got actual humans that understand that you are important as ADC, thus making the process more autopilot. High Elo in this context is Challenger so good luck on 1v9ing with no team if you are below that

[lament hinge]

must be the role not the player, makes complete sense

[low warren]

"Our role sucks"

💀

[gilded juniper]

i am bronze 💀

[storm crown]

😭 no way you just said that ADC does not suck, ADC players suck. Most about any Jg will perma play bot and weak side top. All mids perma roam bot. Just practice ur adc mechanics have a good leaning phase good cs and you can climb easy to plat

[gilded juniper]

Should I be worried that my wr with jinx is 36%? I only have 10 games with her in total tho,just started playing adc,and they were all drafts

[uneven crater]

Most about everyone plays around botlane….

above Grandmasters.

Below that all sololaners just don’t give a f. ADC is an easy role, as long you have decent ppl with you, not even good, just decent. Winning as ADC by yourself 1v9? Most on the time will not happen (never)

[storm crown]

no i think it’s totally fine, you need to learn champs and how to play that role dif mind set for dif champs and dif roles

most people have low win rates when they start of you rly wanna climb on adc i would pick 2-3 champs and really learn them so you can focus more on micro and macro

[gilded juniper]

I am playing only Cait and jinx ATM

[storm crown]

you can win most games below gold w just macro mechanics don’t rly matter too much till mid low diamond in my opinion

[uneven crater]

My men, you said you are bronze, my advice is that in fact you can 1v9 in bronze with basically any role with any champion, if you bronze you basically have no game sense and no fundamentals of the game even when you tell yourself you know them. Iron to low Plat is all PvP, learn basic matchup knowledge checks

Or some basic macro like having above 7cs will make you a monster. In the micro side is playing unlocked camera and level up skills with Ctrl, champion basic ideas like trade Caitlyn passive, Jinx W+R guarantee on teammate CC.

And Kite, kite the minions, kite the wards, kite the towers. Every single auto must be cancel into movement

[gilded juniper]

My problem is that in Laning phase I have great cs but after Laning phase my cs goes down horribly

[uneven crater]

That means you have no macro, and you walk around looking for random fights where nothing happen or you just die

[pine prism]

I understand you. just keep farming. I normally tend to go for fights all the time after the laning phase, but its wrong. just fight for important stuff (objectives), otherwise just go farm while being near teammates

[gilded juniper]

Everytime i farm somewhere than on bot (assuming our turrets are down on bot) I get pinged,either mid either jg

[uneven crater]

You want to keep constant CS? After laning phase walk mid, farm mid, stay mid, DONT SHARE MINIONS WITH SOLOS, if you solo doesn’t take sideline, you go to that sideline, clear a wave look at the map for 10 seconds and then if nothing is suspicious go back and take the next wave, do that until you win the game. That’s how you get use to basic map awareness ideas, don’t base if you don’t have full item, it’s a time waste, make every base on mid game worth

[storm crown]

yea i bet your team just arams after like 20 mins

[gilded juniper]

But what do I do about my mid

He's gonna ping me nonstop and call me a slur probably (he probably won't wanna rotate bot)

[uneven crater]

Take the sideline, bot, top, doesn’t matter, go to the lane that is bleeding

[storm crown]

when ur side laning you rly needa pay attention to where your team is and your enemy team is

As an adc mids jgs will try to abuse you in a side lane. Here is a good vid talking about side laning.

https://youtu.be/dgmEr0RSGDU

i would norm try to take mid if they don’t rotate just play smart. Idk if you know this but part of the reason why adcs go mid is cause they don’t have a lot of peal and movement they mostly have dmg so a smaller lane is better for them.

Also your support should be able to go mid w you and impact the whole map. That’s why you should mid but it’s not like a do or die.

[gilded juniper]

i get the worst supports in drafts lol

[storm crown]

once you hit silver-gold i think mids will start to rotate.

[gilded juniper]

and im afraid to play ranked as i just started playing adc

[gilded juniper]

i will watch this,thank you

i also cant practice my kiting cause of practice tool 😿

[storm crown]

do you use A to attack?

[gilded juniper]

yes
and right click to move

but i cant pull it off and i cant practice it either

[storm crown]

and you changed the setting to like attack closest to cursor ?

[gilded juniper]

yup

[manic narwhal]

I only use right click for both moving and attacking, takes practice to get good at but it gives the most control over everything.

[storm crown]

@gilded juniper if you wanna duo up we can run some games I can mid or sup you and i can help you!

[gilded juniper]

it seems that you dont have the region i play in in your roles tho

i mostly fail because of my awful supports in draft

i know everyone says that but i really mean it

they hit minions and push the wave alone,steal cs,die alone and then blame me

shitty things like that

maybe i would get better supports in ranked but i am also afraid since i just started playing adc as i said.

[ocean python]

i have a 24% wr on ashe atm in norms

i might be trolling in half of the games but hey

im having fun (when i dont get fucked matchmaking) and thats what matters

[deep sierra]

Average coping adc main, riot will probably buff adcs again because of adc mains

In the current meta even assassins struggle to kill adcs

[ocean python]

the fuck im almost dying to statik shiv, what elo are you playing at? grandmasters?

[deep sierra]

Just hit a minion to heal back up with bs life steal, pop ghost and proceed to run everyone down with hybrid damage as well as infinite attack speed from all your items and runes while having your support grant you god mode through giving free stats or stun the entire enemy team

[ocean python]

all i hear is salt

[steel nimbus]

all im saying skill issue

[deep sierra]

Meanwhile top laners on their way to have 0 impact while seeing "an enemy is legendary"

[ocean python]

you're complaning about bt and hybrid damage when they nerfed these specific aspects, all i hear is salt

[deep sierra]

Meanwhile you complain about statik shiv killing you when it does negligible damage

[ocean python]

you do realize how low of a health pool adcs have right? and you do realize im exaggerating right? statik shiv isent a negligible amount of damage once you're a couple items in

[deep sierra]

The only champions that do decent damage with it a couple of items in are adcs who also build some ap because they scale with it for some reason

[unreal plinth]

Don't even worry about winrate until you've got 50 games or more. There's so many things different about top vs adc it's going to take time and growing pains, you're so fragile and aren't the playmaker like you are top.

[tight ridge]

obviously you are not gonna have a positive wr in your first few games of adc

(i had a 27% wr until a week after)

just focus on learning the sdc basics (farming, wave management, laning) and the various different details of whatever champ you’re playing

[gloomy carbon]

yea give up

[steel nimbus]

Most supportive adc main

[shut oasis]

just give up, all adc mains are just babies that walk around thinking everyone’s there to support them at all times and you will slowly lose your mind and become mindless drones like them

[gilded juniper]

Do you listen to immortal

[spice scaffold]

how can you give up on something you barely have any experience in if you want to learn something.

if you're a toplane moving to a role that plays very differently from one another due to the dynamics of a duo lane - it's expected you'll do poorly for a little while

[ocean python]

i hate to break it to you

but thats how adcs are supposed to play. you guys are SUPPOSED to peel for adcs not the other way around

[shut oasis]

Not always. Adcs should use their head at times instead of always relying on their team.
Maybe when a support roams for like 15 seconds they could play safer and not think someone’s always there to babysit for them.

Or when jungle is top side clearing and they play overly aggressive thinking your jungler will counter gank it is absurd.

If they put in an ounce of effort to think then they’ll be able to realise how broken their role is rather than crying 24/7 when one item is nerfed and 200 posts how adc is unplayable will occur.

[shut oasis]

maybe position better, I think it’s a you problem than an item gap lol

[lone hound]

Grrr adc mains poopoo grrrr

[thorny hinge]

I like playing yuumi, but im always in the pc

[gilded juniper]

Me who I still don't know what peel even is

[vale kite]

Propably shouldnt worry about WT after just 14 games

[vale kite]

thats so wrong, its adc meta and in optimal play team should just try to get adc ahead and protect it

[vale kite]

a lot of times unless your team actually peels for you the only reasonable position for adc is a screen away fom the teamfight

[gilded juniper]

now im looking forward to learning katarina tbh lol

[tight ridge]

i mean you could just like play an adc thats like borderline not an adc

like

nilah

samira

garen

[opaque jay]

quit adc

least fun role to play + if you're not good enough to solo carry bot lane (99% time you wont unless you're hard smurfing) then its hell with a shit or autofill supp

why play adc when you can 1 shot adc and supp with kata

[gilded juniper]

I think I'm gonna leave kata tho,too hard for me.

[deep sierra]

What's the point of this thread, to type what's on your mind?

[gloomy pilot]

Are you having fun?

If yes: Don't give up on ADC.
If no: Give up on ADC and play something you enjoy instead.

Depending on what you played before, ADC is going to be vastly different than other roles. You are playing in a 2v2 lane with auto-attack reliant champions. Kiting is a mechanic that you don't necessarily learn unless you play played Teemo/Vayne/Gnar top, Kindred jungle or something of the sort before, and the general dynamic is very different too. Support players often transition to ADC, and ADC players often transition to support, kind of for that reason too (in my experience at least), bcs the dynamic in botlane is so different than in any other role.

[gilded juniper]

i do know how to kite

and i find adc less fun than mid but more "carrying"

[gloomy pilot]

Mid can carry just as hard or harder, esp in Silver.

Though realistically, any role can carry all the same in this elo from what I've seen, what's important is that you either have absolutely great gamesense or you play champs that are considered 1v9 champs.

E.g. if you want to carry as support, it's much easier to play Lux and get kills than to support as Lulu.

[gilded juniper]

im still deciding who to play on mid

[steel nimbus]

Naafiri oh mb I'm from the future

[gilded juniper]

thinking about
akali
zed
sylas
fizz
veigar
irelia

obviously not all but i wanna choose from those

[gilded juniper]

aint she a jg?

i also wanted to play kat but shes too hard for me..

can i carry with zed?

[steel nimbus]

If.. if Kat is hard for u I don't want to know how zed would be

[gilded juniper]

i thought kat is way harder XD

[gloomy pilot]

https://youtu.be/o8vGaC4OZIs

[gilded juniper]

but i can handle zed way more than kat,from my own experience

[gloomy pilot]

Play Zed

[gilded juniper]

i wanted to practice combos with him earlier,too bad practice tool is disabled

[steel nimbus]

It's just w r w q e

[gloomy pilot]

Qiyana combos are also insanely fun

And imo on-hit Kata is kinda cool
But don't forget about the new hip trend

Shiv LB

[gilded juniper]

not a qiyana fan tbh

[steel nimbus]

I have only lost games on shiv LeBlanc on my team

[gilded juniper]

i think i will play zed and maybe akali.. i got a penta with akali once it was fun

[gloomy pilot]

It probably has a more specific place but people pick her into anything would be my guess regardless of draft

Akali is more of a toplaner no?

[gilded juniper]

i saw her top like once

[steel nimbus]

Akali and irelia is failed top laners

They are just in the small peak of being a top laner but some bruisers sink them back to mid

[proud gorge]

she's mid
Akali top matchups are rough

[gloomy pilot]

Irelia is ironically more of a midlaner now no?

[proud gorge]

Irelia is both mid and top

[gloomy pilot]

I used to play old Irelia mid as well
It was a fun time

[gilded juniper]

akali
zed
sylas
fizz

[steel nimbus]

Coc

[gilded juniper]

i think i will remain like this
only 1 ad tho

[gloomy pilot]

Honestly
Another suggestion is to play Aram

[steel nimbus]

I play aram when I lost an extremely close game and bullies unranked casuals

[gilded juniper]

why tho

[gloomy pilot]

Get a feel for champs, how they play, in a pressure-free for-fun environment

This is primarily for champs you've never really touched or experienced before

[steel nimbus]

I picked up Camille after an aram too

[gilded juniper]

i played all the champs

[gloomy pilot]

I want Camille back in the jungle
Same for Taliyah

[manic narwhal]

Irelia does better top lane than mid, the reverse is true of Akali.

[proud gorge]

Irelia is good in mid and top

[strange cobalt]

Jungle is the hardest carrying role

Thats why i play jungle because if you are the vastly better jungler, you can always win even if your whole team ints and the top laner ragequits

Recent example of carrying a 4v5 where my team was all inting and the top laner ragequit, because i was the better jungler https://snipboard.io/NiZzhA.jpg

[gilded juniper]

can i play kindred in low elo?

shes the only jungler i enjoy,but shes p hard

shes an adc tho which sucks

i will prob get no peel

[strange cobalt]

Yes

Just keep learning how the champ works and their strengths and weaknesses, that goes for any champ

[manic narwhal]

Kindred's really strong rn, and yes she totally can be played well in low elo.

[twilit crag]

I do and its definitely strong just don't rely on your team for early marks and don't int for marks

because usually your team doesn't know how kindred marks work in low elo so the chances are they will ignore you now that doesn't mean you shouldnt play aggressive but if an invade is only going to work if your mid/top rotates then don't commit

[gilded juniper]

yeah thats why i asked in the first place

[twilit crag]

well you don't really need to invade for marks since you can also kill for marks

like tbh I would never invade for a mark unless im %100 sure its safe because they arent really worth dying for

like yes its important for you to have damage but don't int for marks thats what the rank 1 guy also says other than that the champ isnt really that hard tbh its just positioning and skirmishing well

[gilded juniper]

does nunu also work? full ap

[gilded juniper]

alright

[twilit crag]

i dont consider nunu a carry

he is insanely squisht if you don't build tank

and so easy to shut down, your ult can be cancelled, your w can be blocked etc

but if ur going to build tank then sure just snowball bot and mid 24/7 that usually works

for low elo unless you are super committed yes i wouldn't play adc since its the hardest one to climb with out of all

[gilded juniper]

alright then no nunu

[twilit crag]

are you going to learn jungle from zero

[gilded juniper]

yea gave up on it long time ago lol this thread is a bit older

no,i actually think its my most played role in s12

also,is kha zix good? i just dont like his isolation passive since im so useless late

[twilit crag]

currently yes hes a little hard to execute but he works

[gilded juniper]

how so?

[twilit crag]

i reccommend things like warwick nocturne vi xin zhao

[gilded juniper]

dont like any of those

does khazix even gank bot ever?

[gilded juniper]

WAIT

IS THAT MARDUK IN YOUR PFP? 💀

[twilit crag]

who

[gilded juniper]

you..

[twilit crag]

nvm yes

[gilded juniper]

do you listen to it

[twilit crag]

yes

[gilded juniper]

nice

[twilit crag]

you too?

[gilded juniper]

yes

any other black metal bands you like?

[twilit crag]

theres blackbraid

i listen to melodic death and black usually but its hard to find black metal groups

[strange cobalt]

Definitely!

[gilded juniper]

do you like burzum

[twilit crag]

yea about that its just assassin junglers are considered like a high skill floor because they are hard to teamfight with

[twilit crag]

and you fight a lot in low elo, also yes

[gilded juniper]

based

[burnt geode]

@gilded juniper A general tip for you. Don't care much about wr especially in bronze and especially in 10 games. 10 games is nowhere near enough to determine your skill/to learn a champion. Play a 100 games on a champion and see how you do with it after, especially for harder champions. Sometimes it's just meta changes and some champions become irrelevant (like jinx atm imo), but most of the time you just need games to learn how to deal with matchups.

I played 25 ranked games on riven when i started to learn her, sporting a 36% wr. I didn't abandon her, kept playing the champ cuz i liked it a lot. Next season, i had a high 80% wr on her in 60 games cuz i kept learning how to play with it, practicing combos and laning, etc.

Currently i have 60% wr on varus in 202 ranked games, if you are good on a champ, it will show. But like everything, it takes time, effort, patiance.

[steel nimbus]

Just play morde adc

Rush protobelt into rylais with exhaust cleanse or exhaust ghost

[burnt geode]

@steel nimbus imagine trolling people in serious chat. Very mature.

[steel nimbus]

That is a strat.

Masters euw peak

[burnt geode]

You can climb into master on any champ, doesn't make it the best nor good for someone who just started to play adc role.

It's like saying for first time midlaner who never played rank to go and play azir or aurelion sol (before rework), cuz it works

[steel nimbus]

U are comparing the guy that runs ppl down in his death realm asol with balls

He works well but the meta rn adcs kinda just outscale him

His work is to just deny the sdc from doing anything

And that's how u win games rn gank bot and try to convert to a win

[twilit crag]

its a legit pick it just relies on melee/tank supports even if u dont have them ur still fine i think hes saying that because op wants to olay adc

and playing adc marksmen in low elo is death wish

infact there is someone who climbed master euw with the pick and he had success

[steel nimbus]

Even I am thinking of playing it

Cuz I play yone top right and every competent player can dodge my R if I dont have the setup

[twilit crag]

The thing is that its morde so it doesnt rly teach u adc

[steel nimbus]

So I just wanna shut the adcs down rn cuz it feels horrible when I win top then bot lane jut outscales

[twilit crag]

play full tank nunu and camp bot

[steel nimbus]

KeshaEUNE

[twilit crag]

guarantee early afk

i dont like AP nunu that champ is useless kesha works cuz hes an otp

[steel nimbus]

Nah he has great tracking skills

[twilit crag]

hes so easy to shutdown and you cancel literally all of his abilities like r and w then he has nothing left anyway

[burnt geode]

Morde botlane isn't uncounterable either boys.

[steel nimbus]

Darius adc troll

[burnt geode]

They just pick a kog lulu, or mage botlane who will never get into morde r range, or onhit dmg that kills tanks.

[steel nimbus]

Ye that's where ghost comes in

[burnt geode]

So what stops enemy from taking ghost too? Or glacial augment?

[steel nimbus]

Ghost ult beats adc to death turn to the support

Morde statchecks he goes in and aa

[burnt geode]

I pick ashe and take ghost and galeforce. I perma kite hid ass with perma slow and outspeeding him.

[steel nimbus]

That's why u pick movement speed runes in ur page

Approach velocity cloak of smt and that one other rune

It's a neat pick tho but no adc range to siege

[burnt geode]

Approach velocity? Doesn't work until 1st item, but sure. And that needs you to land abilities to work.

[steel nimbus]

Nautilus R morde e q

[burnt geode]

Enemy team can flash away, pick ezreal to get out of range before you get into range

They can pick cc to lock you down and you can't get on top of them. They can put soraka silence under you

They can put braum passive on you and suddenly it's no longer 1v1 in morde ult.

[steel nimbus]

Yknow what I can't really convince ya without proof so uh

[burnt geode]

That sounds about right.

[steel nimbus]

Xayah and ezreal adc for new noobis

[gilded juniper]

That makes sense,thanks!

Still struggling to find the right champ tho

[steel nimbus]

Play them

And see if u like the playstyle climb on ur fave Champs than fall to meta

[gilded juniper]

Actually

I think I like hecarim,but I don't like his lethality build,and I don't know if the divine build would even be good

[twilit crag]

what kind of champ do you want

[gilded juniper]

Oh hi

[twilit crag]

hi

[gilded juniper]

I don't know either,for example,I find kha zix extremely fun,but I really don't like late game with him

Weak late game champs aren't for me,but kha zix,he's just very fun

[twilit crag]

try rengar maybe

[gilded juniper]

Isn't he also bad late game

[twilit crag]

no

you one shot everything with the crit build

hes literally strong every time early mid and late

[gilded juniper]

And is he hard? I heard he's like the hardest assassin or smt lol

[twilit crag]

the only hard thing is to teamfight and skirmish with him

clear is also hard to execute well but if you can do it the champ can clear like 3:12

[pine prism]

rengar isnt that hard

all you need is to not mindless spam abilites, its sometimes better to use your rage on W or E instead of Q

[gilded juniper]

Alright

Also,is gragas fine? Can he even carry?

[twilit crag]

yes

[gilded juniper]

Im not a big fan of ap champs but he's fun

[twilit crag]

hes popular in high elo well as a laner but hes still played in jungle

[steel nimbus]

He's got one nerf and that is into his mana his passive is still strong

[gilded juniper]

But can you like 1v9

[steel nimbus]

Yes

[storm crown]

@gilded juniper i would legit stop caring so much about the champ and rather just play the game

you can climb to high play low diamond playing anything i would say it only matters when you get to like Masters does it ac matter

[steel nimbus]

Unless ur champ is 60%wr

[storm crown]

you only get better as you play

[steel nimbus]

Which is a never before seen winrate btw

[storm crown]

if ur set on playing the most op stuff to climb fast go to U.gg or something and look at the highest win rate champ for that role and just spam the living hell outta of it before it get nerfs

[steel nimbus]

Learn wave management and stuffs before doing stuffs

[storm crown]

^

[opaque jay]

whos at 60

[steel nimbus]

Neeko was 60 at some point

[storm crown]

legit just play the game 💀 picking a champ is like so low impact in low elo, but like ofc some champs carry harder then others but people in Plat in below don’t lose games cause if there champ they lose cause they didn’t CS enough or didn’t position well in a fight

[steel nimbus]

Cassio was 58% top

[storm crown]

Neeko is the most OP champ in the game

delete the champ

[strange cobalt]

I bet you a plat yuumi can lose in bronze

The champ does matter xd

If you dont want to waste time losing any games that arent your fault

[storm crown]

no shit yummi is a 50/50 coin flip if you solo q

[strange cobalt]

So picking a champ is high impact

[steel nimbus]

There's a challenger with skarner top

And his whole ordeal is to assist his team and give up cs

[strange cobalt]

Skarner top sounds fine i was just playing with skarner mid last night

He was bad but i sona buffed him to victory late

Hard to look good as skarner mid vs ahri tho

[steel nimbus]

I meant skarner mid mb 3 am brain

I think in kr I watched his vods recently

Legit just try to survive under tower and go help his tram if there is a fight etc

[twilit crag]

lane skarner is no brain strategy

[storm crown]

? no you legit have pointed out one instance of 164, no shit a champ where you don’t even move is a coinfip

[strange cobalt]

Exactly so u gotta pick a good champ lok

Theres more examples of champs u cant carry 3 inters and an afk on

[gilded juniper]

I don't know about you guys but I can't carry games as kha late game especially when someone is extremely fed

[strange cobalt]

Practice making your combos smoother, and being able to go in and out of fights smoothly

And by smooth i mean do your damage at the right time, then leave as soon as they pay attention to you which by then it should be too late for them to catch you

[deep sierra]

What khazix combos are you talking about xd

[strange cobalt]

Go invis -> auto Q W -> invis -> Q again -> jump out

Or whatever fits the situation

[thorny hinge]

Ezreal mid