how to climb in silver?

[flint flame]

1. Pick a single lane
2. Play 1-3, prefably 1, champions and learn their mechanics deeper than others
3. Play more agro

[rustic crown]

Probably don't need any ads in Midlane tbh

[brisk bramble]

Ahri is rarely banned, just play her all day

[median inlet]

Bruh you got 54 diff champs played and they belong to different lanes

Play only like up to 5 champions

3 in main role 2 off role or something if you queue mid top

[median inlet]

Get more cs, die less

Do less mistakes

Review your vods

Looking at your cspm it doesn't look like you know macro either

1 bad play doesn't mean much

If he's in your mmr then it means that he does something that you don't while you do something he doesn't

You 1 shot waves and think that 6.5cspm is the highest you can get?

You can easily get 10 deaths and still have more farm with a fast wave clearing champion

[delicate jackal]

wait for cds
bait spells
trade when enemy is preoccupied
abuse range
know proper combo
tethering

Things outside of how to win lane:
mute all and stop blaming teammates

focus on how to play better
focus on skills that you are lacking
if you lack the cognitive flexibility and is unable to identity your issues in game
ask for help

like how everyone else said, your champ/role is too big
its harder to climb when you dont even know how to play your champ

kata , ahri , orianna, akali
all of these champs outside ahri is very hard to play
you are in silver, I doubt you can play any of them at 5% of it's actually strength

[median inlet]

Orianna isn't hard

[median inlet]

Akali macro is difficult cause pushing waves is weird and people get no cs on her

Also she needs hands, so you can achieve what she can with less effort on a diff champ

I see akalis and katarinas "win" lane against some mage like viktor yet be down in gold cause the mid who they "gapped" is up by 100 cs

Gl farming as akali when behind

Imo those assassins like Akali, katarina, qiyana, leblanc promote the playstyles where people think that they won lane but their team threw just cause it's piss easy to kill an overextended irrelevant enemy as them

Well you got 5cspm on assassins

It's hard to judge from 4 games

I would recommend having a different lane pick because not getting to play mid isn't uncommon

What's your secondary role?

Funny how you playing jungle has more cs than you playing a mid lane mage with good wave clear

[fallow shale]

Yes.

Gold and below is basically "Farm till 10-15m, then ARAM".
Maximise your CS prior to ARAMing.

Then focus on being with your team.

They don't know which fights they should/shouldn't take, so they will generally just take every fight.
And that's on you whether you're with them or not.

There was an extreme example of a Silver Jayce who got average 10cs P/M.
So why was he silver?
Because ONLY focused on farming.
He'd win lane, get a massive CS lead and would keep farming while his team would take every fight they could and would int.

Once he was told to start grouping with his team, he was able to impact teamfights and climbed pretty easily (bearing in mind, he was playing at a much higher level mechanically already).

Screw getting 10cs/m in Silver

Your games are a mess.
Embrace it. Make your early game as good as possible. After laning phase (10-15m normally), just group and fight.

That IS poor macro, BUT you are in Silver and that's the nature of the games at that level.

When you reach Plat, you may need to think about when to rotate to catch waves, which champs on your team should be catching sidewaves and other macro fundamentals. Do NOT focus on that now, because it will not have the same impact on your games as it will after you've climbed up.

Just pick two of those champs, and do not care about a full AP team. Focus on performing your VERY best on 1-2 champs.
Ahri is a GREAT pick if you're playing mid. Orianna has a simple kit, but has a higher skill floor than people give her credit for, so I'd recommend picking Orianna OR Akali, with Ahri.

If you play mid (most popular role excluding in China), most people have more success getting the role, if they queue bot/support secondary, but this can vary depending on region and elo.
If you find yourself getting secondary role a lot, I'd recommend not queuing Mid with Top/Jungle as a secondary role, because you will get your secondary role more than your main role.

Otherwise, main Jungle, pick 1-2 champs, and pick any role secondary (unless you get secondary role a lot, then you could change secondary role so you get jungle more).

[green hazel]

This is so true!
I just got back into the game and ranked, and it's wild. You're there as a jungler like "Okay, no objectives to take fight for really rn, good time to clear camps"

And your ADC will just engage on the enemy out of nowhere and force a fight.

[median inlet]

What's the op.gg of this jayce

The guy was 100% smurfing

[fallow shale]

Listen to the Broken by Concept podcast

It was a client from Coach Curtis Not smurfing Just poor macro and game understanding

[delicate jackal]

10cs is not good in silver

You need to make sure you are balancing farm and damage

[median inlet]

10cspm on average is 100% smurfing

[fallow shale]

People can do that at lower ranks

[median inlet]

Nah

[fallow shale]

Farming is only half of it. What you do with that gold it what separates the players

[median inlet]

If you can get 10cspm without smurfing every game (literally impossible)
Then you are more consistent than baus

You can simply draw pressure on the map and follow his strategy

[fallow shale]

Baus values farm highly, but he also knows how to play the map and rotate to fights, and WHEN to draw pressure by splitpushing

He also plays against much better players so it SHOULD be harder for him

[median inlet]

Literally look at his playstyle and guide

He said to never rotate to random fights and only help with 3rd/4th/true dmg drake and baron

If you get more cspm than baus while following his playstyle you can 100% adapt it and climb from low elo

[fallow shale]

Key word is "Random"

Also his team mates are normally taking fights for reason

[median inlet]

And he doesn't follow them

Just saying that if a silver player who gets 10cspm existed he would easily climb out

[fallow shale]

That is NOT the case in Silver.

Because your team mates are constantly taking fights just because they can.

If you draw pressure from pushing a side line and your team is silver, there's a high chance they will sit there, push mid, and follow you to join the fight late

If it was a team in high elo, they would take an objective like Baron/drag

[median inlet]

Do you seriously think that it's harder to win in silver than high elo?

[fallow shale]

Where do I say that?

[median inlet]

You seriously think that doing a high elo strat in silver will make you lose

[fallow shale]

The games are played differently, so yes.

It makes a massive difference.

[median inlet]

💀

I can't

[fallow shale]

The pressure you make in Silver is worth 10x less than at higher ranks because your team will not take advantage of it.
It doesn't matter if they send 5 people to deal with you, because they don't get punished for it at that level.

Gold and below is literally as simple as farming and trying to get an advantage for the first 10-15m of the game, and then it's an ARAM.

Above that point, it's worth starting to look at Macro play.

[median inlet]

You literally get 10cspm when your enemy gets 6, you get 5 plates when your opponent gets 0, you visit other lanes and get more plates from them, you split push and R away if someone comes to stop you, dw they won't think about preventing you from escaping

You can also go full ad and just bush Q one shot people because they don't expect it and don't ward places where you could camp

[fallow shale]

Which is fine vs one opponent, but when you overextend and they send 5?

[median inlet]

R away

[fallow shale]

You give them 1k gold

[median inlet]

If you give them 1k gold then it means that their nexus is gone

[fallow shale]

??

[median inlet]

Imagine if baus got 0 deaths following his strategy

[fallow shale]

700 gold bounty

This was a genuine silver player, you expect them to be playing perfectly?

They 100% give that shutdown away, because they don't group with their team, their team gets aced, and then they are stuck 1vs5

[median inlet]

But while you were alive you managed to get both inhibs, full build at 25 min and you can backdoor easily if the enemies fight

Honestly just go dark harvest then

If you don't die as sion while proxying then you're getting stacks

[median inlet]

Well if 5 people collapse on the sion he can probably take all 5 of them

[fallow shale]

JAYCE

[median inlet]

Either start playing a split pusher who can just take t1 at 8 minutes or buy hullbreaker

If the player whose cspm is over exaggerated would exist he would have like an 8k gold lead over his enemy

You carry every objective fight literally 1v5 and your teammates are just minions who tank something

Your Q E would 1 shot squishies

[fallow shale]

But he is taking CS, not objectives. That was half the issue.

He literally ONLY focused on CS, hence why he was able to hit 10 cs/m

[fallow shale]

So he can OS a squishy who is worth like 100 gold, and then gives away a 1K shutdown to their teammates? That super not worth

[median inlet]

Even if you don't group you still easily win 1v3 at least

1v4/5 might need some cd managment cause there are too many minions to 1 shot

Also where can I find the jayce thing that you're referencing?

[brisk bramble]

you can average 10cs/min for most of the game, even if you fall off later on

or somewhere around 9

obviously depending on champion

[fallow shale]

Listen to Broken By Concept podcast. Think it was one of the earlier episodes from a year or two ago.

[delicate jackal]

So you are going to have a champ pool of 6 rotatable champions?

The biggest thing holding you back is your weakness in champion mastery, but since you are so determined to have a bigger champion pool then most diamond player. You do you.

While I'm not completely for Cramble's gameplan of farm for 15 minutes and then perm group. I do agree with the idea of focusing on making sure your early game is as good as possible

Most low elo players have abysmal early games where they either dont create leads or throw away leads but somehow come to the conclusion that their "mid game macro", itemization or champion pool is the problem

The simple thing you can do is "every time you get killed in lane, get ganked, take bad trades, or your enemy laner roamed is a gameplay issue that you need to review

mid game comes later

[median inlet]

There are hundreds of episodes, I won't waste 100 hours to find some guy

[median inlet]

Ball range 😳

[delicate jackal]

She's one of those champs where it's easy to win lane as since shes a lane bully but for me I had a hard time piloting her in teamfights because her tether range is p short while having low mobility.

You get p easily punished if you tether too far and can't deal damage or tether too close and get collapsed on.

[delicate jackal]

My personal opinion in terms of champ pool is 1 main champ and 1-2 complimentary champs where you almost always exclusively play your main champ but switch off when banned or better suits your comp. but if you main difficult champs like Akali you want to compliment with much easier champs. For me, I main Akali so I compliment with Malphite and Pantheon

Two champs that are so easy that switching between them isn't going to be difficulty

[hollow current]

I got out of silver by playing singed jg for this season. Just play a gank heavy jg like nunu or hecarim and focus botlane

and mid

[median inlet]

You're doomed if akali is banned and they pick a mage

Which is most of the time since akali is a mage counter

[delicate jackal]

There's no counterpicking in mid lane

there's soft counters at best but lane's too short for it to matter

[median inlet]

Then why does top and mid get to be last pick

In competitive or high elo games

[delicate jackal]

Because top lane is very dependent on matchups

Adc and Jungle are least suspectable to counterpicks
adc because weak early game
jungle because you aren't required to interact with enemy jungle

So they are normally picked first

Support counterpick matters a lot tho since supports has much more impact in the lane for early game

mid lane is much shorter then any other lane resulting in a less punishing lane

since controlling the wave is much easier and forgiving

[median inlet]

You didn't explain why mid gets to pick after support, jgl and adc

[median inlet]

You have no unplayable matchups anyway

[delicate jackal]

Is what I said hard to understand
?

[median inlet]

You said that supp counterpick matters a lot and that mid is the shortest lane, so it's not punishing.
Only a smooth brain would think that this explains why mid counterpick is more important than support

[delicate jackal]

Did you not read what I said cause you only explained like half of what I said?

Support counterpick matters a lot tho since supports has much more impact in the lane for early game
mid lane is much shorter then any other lane resulting in a less punishing lane
since controlling the wave is much easier and forgiving

[median inlet]

Do you not understand what I said?

With your logic support counterpick matters more than mid counterpick which isn't true

[delicate jackal]

And why is that?

[delicate jackal]

I agree cause that's not all that I said

[median inlet]

It's literally all that you said compressed

You even quoted yourself which proves my point

[median inlet]

Perhaps because all you said about support is that counterpicking matters and gave 0 arguments for why counterpicks are important mid lane, you did the opposite and gave arguments for why counterpicks don't matter mid

So you're just biased

[delicate jackal]

because counterpick doesn't matter as much in mid lane

I'm not gonna argue why counterpick mid matters because I dont that counterpicking mid matters much

Like of course I'm biased lmfao

[delicate jackal]

I'm saying why is that as in "why do you believe that mid lane counterpick matters more then support"

[median inlet]

Look at how pros draft

[delicate jackal]

Pro players isn't similar to soloQ

[median inlet]

Mid picks after support

[delicate jackal]

pro players put more priority in grabbing priority picks then counterpicking

[median inlet]

There's this guy called spearshot who otps pantheon, he said that he only plays pantheon top instead of mid, because unlike top, mid has a lot of unplayable matchups where pantheon can't farm and gets outscaled

There are champions in mid lane who can get countered and have a miserable laning experience

You can't blind pick stuff kassadin, pantheon, malphite, renekton mid

[delicate jackal]

Yes but that's the case with literally every champion in the game
except for most junglers and adcs

Every champion has 1-2 really hard counters

But most meta mid laners, they don't actually have to interact in lane

Since the lane is short, holding freezes for long periods is not possible, you can just make good rotations and roam if you struggle in lane, most champs in mid can afk farm from range, you get back to lane much more quickly.

Reason why support counterpick is important is because most of the time supports dictate who wins lane bot lane. Winning botlane equates to a support that can create vision on the map and get drag prio, most mid champs can clear wave much more quickly then an adc so bot prio means more time for team.

[delicate jackal]

also on this topic, pro players are literally the same players who will willingly get counterpicked if they think a champ is broken

Like don't bring up topics you dont understand yourself

[median inlet]

Aatrox, ksante have no unplayable matchups

ww top as well

[delicate jackal]

can you like

stick with one argument or atleast stay on topic?

[dawn slate]

HARD disagree

karthus, seraphine, sona, jhin and kogmaw have almost 0 hard counters this patch due to their numbers and items being so bhigh

karthus especially has 0 counters in general this patch

[delicate jackal]

except for most junglers and adcs

Sona is Amumu Blitz

[wooden vessel]

Jungle gives you a lot of control over the entire macro of the game instead of micro focused laning