Pretty sure Vladimir isn't quite S tier for 1v5 late game (he's good at it, but not on the shortlist of best late game champs). You gave a pretty nice list of some of the the best late game champs. I would add a few others that also have really good late game to consider: Irelia, and Yasuo.
#Best 1v5 mid-late game champion?
strong cedar
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any meta adc or assassins
lime matrix
Depends on elo and how skilled you are:
Midgame:
Sett, Zeri, Zed, Irelia, Fiora, Yone, Viego, Vayne, Sylas, Ryze, Rengar, Yi, Olaf, Asol, Azir
Late:
Zeri, Irelia, Fiora, Yone, Viego, Vayne, Sylas, Ryze, Rengar, Yi, Asol, Azir, Ekko, Anivia, Fiora, GP, Kassadin, Kayle,
ember junco
illaoi and mf are my picks
you basically cant walk up to them if theyre a bit fed and have r
quartz elm
Swain tank
pseudo cairn
Pretty sure Vladimir isn't quite S tier for 1v5 late game (he's good at it, but ...
yasuo is kinda unstable currently
pseudo cairn
you basically cant walk up to them if theyre a bit fed and have r
cc mf and the ult is useless
ember junco
true but its one of the only ults in the game that can teamwipe in less than 3 seconds
noble fossil
Kennen
Diana fiddlesticks
The ults are uncancellable
You can move during them or zhonyas
lethal osprey
Pretty sure Vladimir isn't quite S tier for 1v5 late game (he's good at it, but ...
Can you tell a bit more why do you think vlad isn't "one of the best"? he has high damage and sustain + mobility with correct items and sums, also he can be untargetable for one of the lognest times W + zhonyas + W so he can't be cc locked easily.
lethal osprey
any meta adc or assassins
Don't they usually struggle with CC lockdown and burst?
pseudo cairn
yes ofc
lethal osprey
Depends on elo and how skilled you are:
Midgame:
Sett, Zeri, Zed, Irelia, Fiora...
Atm I am dia+ but I am ready to become better if the champ requires it. I think your list is really nice, but there are some interesting choices also like Anivia. I don't think anivia has enough DPS to kill all 5 members also she is prone to being cc locked.
lime matrix
Atm I am dia+ but I am ready to become better if the champ requires it. I think ...
Depends if her team is beside her or not, since she can just ult and play back
pseudo cairn
every champion has a weakness yk
lethal osprey
you basically cant walk up to them if theyre a bit fed and have r
mf as in miss fortune? and illaoi? very interesting options, if I am not wrong they both suffer from their kits not being the most well rounded, mf is super weak to burst and illaoi can be made to use her abilities and then re-engage
lime matrix
but she has above average dps, but thats about it
pseudo cairn
mf as in miss fortune? and illaoi? very interesting options, if I am not wrong t...
yeah every champion has a weakness tho
lime matrix
MF is good if ur team is oriana / malp / etc cause if not shes p bad
Illaoi is good if you have flash
lethal osprey
Depends if her team is beside her or not, since she can just ult and play back
True that is a good point, but when I say 1v5 I mean it quite literally xd
lime matrix
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lethal osprey
yeah every champion has a weakness tho
yes but even if you can't have the perfect champion some champs will match the criteria better
pseudo cairn
true
i think that there's also like tanks that can do that prob
kayle but very prone to burst when u don't have r
lethal osprey
I did a lot of research and crowdsourcing yesterday and I had jax, kayle and vlad being in the top three
lethal osprey
i think that there's also like tanks that can do that prob
true sion is nasty if he is left to scale
lethal osprey
kayle but very prone to burst when u don't have r
yup I talked with a few masters and we came to an "agreement" that vlad is most likely the most conistent 1v5 but kayle with perfect play should have the highest potential.
pseudo cairn
vlad isn't in a very good position currently but i agree
lethal osprey
Swain tank
Swain is really nice when ahead but still kinda struggles with CC lock and burst unfortunately
pseudo cairn
the thing with most of those champs though is that u need to scale
lethal osprey
vlad isn't in a very good position currently but i agree
That's interesting to hear, how so? is he like weaker than before or just not meta?
pseudo cairn
That's interesting to hear, how so? is he like weaker than before or just not me...
pretty sure he's just not able to play as well against the current meta
the main thing with the champs u listed and everyone lists though is that u need to be able to scale
lethal osprey
the thing with most of those champs though is that u need to scale
yup and I think it is almost "required" because scaling provides consistency, if every game you need to be 15+ kills katarina that can be rough, but if you can be 10+ vladimir around 20 minutes, that is way more "achievable"
noble fossil
Yone
pseudo cairn
yup and I think it is almost "required" because scaling provides consistency, if...
true
lethal osprey
pretty sure he's just not able to play as well against the current meta
agreed I think jax is an exception and vayne might be with the item changes but otherwise I fully agree xd
noble fossil
If you can Q R stun lock 3+ people gg ez win
pseudo cairn
If you can Q R stun lock 3+ people gg ez win
if u can
noble fossil
Every champion has room for error
pseudo cairn
yep but the point is not everyone stays iin a line for that
noble fossil
Like in low elo mordekaiser will carry better than rengar cause you just stat check people who run into your skill shots
lethal osprey
Every champion has room for error
do you mean that they can make mistakes? I think yeah you are not wrong, but I am trying to have a "hypothetical situation" where you need to win a 1v5 fight and what champs would either most consistently win it or have the highest "potential" so that if you don't do mistakes you win most of the time
noble fossil
Yone you Q R all 5 gg ez win
lethal osprey
Like in low elo mordekaiser will carry better than rengar cause you just stat ch...
that is actually one problem I had before I was asking for the best carry champ but it is a way different thing than 1v5 fight champion xd
supports and jg are really good at carrying bc they can impact the whole map
and so was mid, but after the changes not so sure
noble fossil
A support isn't going to 1v5 as well as any carry champion
Like kassadin or zed can 1v9 games late game cause you move 24/7
Zed has R every 20 seconds, W constantly up and you can spam skillshots off cooldown
Kassadin spams R and you just R E Q to 1 shot squishies
While nautilus, karma just help teammates and cc enemies
strong cedar
yasuo is kinda unstable currently
People are still trying to figure out how to build him now that shieldbow first isn't an option.
pseudo cairn
yes
strong cedar
Can you tell a bit more why do you think vlad isn't "one of the best"? he has hi...
His continuous dmg output is rather lacking compared to most S-tier late game champs, don't get me wrong, I would consider him easily A tier for late game, and his midgame is better than a lot of true S-tier late game champs, but he isn't going to wipe a whole team that stays spread out without backup, the people I added to the list the OP started with all can murder the whole enemy team whether or not they clump up.
noble fossil
Irelia isn't a late game champion, she's a mid game carry that falls off late
Unlike kassadin, vlad, asol, kayle you can't lose lane with irelia and hope to scale back up
lethal osprey
Like kassadin or zed can 1v9 games late game cause you move 24/7
that is true, but I am very literal about the 1v5 and I have 400k on kassadin and 100k on zed in dia+ and I can say that assassins are decent but in a true 1v5 situations they can't pick people especially if they are moving together. That is why I changed to vladimir from kassadin and atm kayle main. They have more sustain or range. I would say vladimir is prob the most consistent 1v5 champ, but I feel like if you play perfectly with kayle she might have higher potential.
noble fossil
I've seen enough zed montages to know what you can 1 shot the entire team
lethal osprey
His continuous dmg output is rather lacking compared to most S-tier late game ch...
That is a really nice point, I personally tough that his sustain would be enough to balance the "scale". he has W + Zhonyas + W which is a crazy long time to be untargetable.
lethal osprey
I've seen enough zed montages to know what you can 1 shot the entire team
I can be wrong, and thank you! :D
noble fossil
That is a really nice point, I personally tough that his sustain would be enough...
Well every continuous damage champ lacks sustain and gets countered by assassins/cc
Even kayle only has R to keep her alive
Have you tried asol?
lethal osprey
Even kayle only has R to keep her alive
Kayle has continuous 500+ movement speed in a fight and not all DPS champions lack sustain like vladimir. Everything get's countered by cc so that is why it is important to have a champion that can somehow avoid cc in a 1v5 fight, and I would say from playing vladimir, there is not much assassins can do to you.
lethal osprey
Have you tried asol?
I have not, I think he is pretty strong but low range and prone to being chain cc'd
noble fossil
You have ult to cc the enemies first
lethal osprey
If I am not wrong, they won't die quickly enough so they can cc you after it?
noble fossil
Well late game ult + E and hold Q while in W is going to team wipe the enemies
lethal osprey
hmm
lethal osprey
what about kassadin who R + Flash + E + AA + W + Q you from the otherside of midlane on top of you.
lethal osprey
Btw, do you only play scaling champions?
Mainly yup because they are more consistent than champs that need to always snowball
noble fossil
I had way too many games where I play kass/kayle and my team ffs before I get lvl 16 and I got mejais with like 15+ stacks
I can't play scaling picks or else I will get chat restricted
lethal osprey
I had way too many games where I play kass/kayle and my team ffs before I get lv...
True, I can relate
noble fossil
Adc is a role with many scaling picks that can 1v5 late game
Do you only play mid lane?
magic turtle
Kassadin
strong cedar
Irelia isn't a late game champion, she's a mid game carry that falls off late
Not the way I've been building her. She has nearly ADC levels of DPS while having fighter levels of tankiness and almost Yasuo levels of mobility.
vernal inlet
kayle
noble fossil
Not the way I've been building her. She has nearly ADC levels of DPS while havin...
Wither
That's like saying renekton is a late game champion cause he has mobility, sustain and can 1 shot
lethal osprey
Adc is a role with many scaling picks that can 1v5 late game
I mentioned it before, I mean 1v5 quite literally as you are alone against 5 people in a fight. adc's are strong late and have good dps but their sustain is really bad and mobility is not top tier
lethal osprey
Do you only play mid lane?
no I don't
noble fossil
But he can spam R without a cooldown and use W for mana regen
Also is your name also your account?
If so how did you just randomly climb from silver to diamond in a month
lapis geyser
kogmaw this patch can actually 1v5
noble fossil
Kogmaw + lulu/milio/yuumi/any other enchanter = 2v8