What do we build on Yasuo now?

[brave tree]

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[tired yew]

Most likely as boots then shieldbow IE
Pretty much the same build

[brave tree]

i doubt that its still the same, shieldbow has no attack speed now and most of the items yas could build are now nerfed to death

they added shiv now but i doubt thatll change anything

[velvet coyote]

Shield bow is pretty much worthless on yasuo now

kraken bt jaksho into wits/dd then ldr/bork/mortal/pd/stormrazor

kraken gives attack speed and jaksho and bt have really good synergy

ie just isn’t good on him because he has 0 survivability unless you rush dd second and he still doesn’t have that much durability

it makes him do a shit ton of damage but it doesnt matter if you get one shot

youd have to build zerkers, kraken, dd, ie, sell zerkers and buy plated, wits/bt

galeforce isn’t actually that bad on yasuo

considering that it scales with crit making it do like 500-600 damage super early

stormrazor rush is not bad since the damage actually scales with ad and it provides a significant amount of damage

shiv isn’t good on yasuo bc it does no damage and doesn’t slow, only useful for wave clearing, in which yasuo is already good at

[tired yew]

If shieldbow gives no as then just go kraken? Galeforce is troll lol

[tame dome]

either Shiv or Storm into IE into Shieldbow/BT

im thinking yasuo players will like shiv more due to it having more attack speed

[brave tree]

but shieldbow still gives atk speed only if it has shield activated

[tame dome]

u dont want to rely on that trust me

[brave tree]

wouldnt trinity - botrk - shieldbow - kraken - stormrazor - boots work?

[tame dome]

trinity wont work because yasuo and yone have shitty AD gain, this is intentional because of their Q and passive crit ad conversion

much like how Yi and Belveth have shitty AD gain as well

[brave tree]

it has 3 passives in 1

[tame dome]

r u talking about trinity or yasuo yone

[brave tree]

1. 3 ad per legendary item
2. 3 move speed
3. 3 ability haste

[tame dome]

oh ur talking about the mythic passive LMFAO

[brave tree]

ye

[tame dome]

you do not buy items for the mythic passive

[brave tree]

but it also has good stats

40 ad, 300 health and atk speed which yasuo scales with

and also ability haste if im not wrong

[tame dome]

yes its stats are fine but it does not have crit
yes it has a sheen with should technically be good with yasuo q / yone q but its sheen damage scales off of BASE AD

yes it has ability haste but yone and yasuo does not give a fucking damn about AH aside form their R cd

[brave tree]

you could build a cloak before it

[tame dome]

thats....

[brave tree]

38% crit

better than 0%, + it still has a decent %

[tame dome]

yasuo and yone really prefer IE tbh

it just improves their dps significantly

[brave tree]

yeah but that makes him really squishy

[tame dome]

looking at it, yasuo actually has near normal total ad at lvl 18
but yones is dogshit

warwick lvl 18 ad is 116 yasuo is 111 yone is 94

[brave tree]

im not much of a yone player so it won't matter that much to me, i'm more worried if my build would be actually pretty good and if yas is better on top now than on mid

and if shiv actually has a reason to get build other than for atk speed and crit

[velvet coyote]

theres not really a reason to build shiv

ig more poke? but stormrazor is a better pick

[brave tree]

what do yall think about ravenous hydra on yas?

[velvet coyote]

its ok but bt is better

more healing and gives crit and more ad

95 ad at level 18 or sumn

[brave tree]

would it be better instead of shieldbow?

[velvet coyote]

yeah

[brave tree]

trinity - botrk - rv. hydra - kraken - stormrazor - boots

is that a decent build? id go cloak before trinity tho to have crit

eventually kraken first

[velvet coyote]

ehhhh

bt instead of rav

he doesnt need the wave clear and needs the crit

i personally wouldnt go bork

[brave tree]

i mean itd be good vs tanks

and his ulti is also helping, 50% armor pen.

[velvet coyote]

you can always get ldr

[brave tree]

depends on the team comp

[velvet coyote]

its probably better to rush bork instead

[brave tree]

id change trinity to divine if they would have 2 tanks or if i would be playing top

[tame dome]

AS less yasuo sounds so bad

[brave tree]

berserkers -botrk - divine - kraken - bt - stormrazor

[tame dome]

dont forget the sundere change makes it less anti tanky

i appreciate yall trying to cook but check the numbers first 💀

[velvet coyote]

if ur gonna do ds you might as well go ie

ie gives more damage and is overall more useful than ds

[tame dome]

thats what im saying

[velvet coyote]

like 300 hp not gonna do much for you

[tame dome]

now the problem is survivability with the shieldbow change
whoever fucking put a 15 second cooldown on threads is

[velvet coyote]

i’d rather have AS than the life steal tbh

so shield bow is actually useable on yas

[tame dome]

shieldbow is usable yes as a 3rd 4th and so on item now
but rushing it first or 2nd is quite bad

[velvet coyote]

💀

0 attack speed yikes

[tame dome]

bt into ie lacks AS

[tame dome]

thats why i said this

[velvet coyote]

doesnt give enougu

yasuo wants 1.33+ attack speed early so he can windblade

[tame dome]

the problem with what i said is that your first 2 items doesnt have any survivability whatsoever

[velvet coyote]

zeal got nerfed and doesnt give him 1.33 AS with boots

thats why kraken bt jaksho is what i think is the best build

bc kraken + bt give AS survivability

and bt+jaksho have super good synergy bc of new bt passive

shield bow also isnt that great even as a 4th/5th item as when it procs the buff it gives is fucking worthless

i mean i explained why its not awful and is actually pretty good

gives him damage + AS + survivability

it doest give AS until the shield pops

and still the shield is tiny

shieldbow is dogshit on yasuo

[brave tree]

berserkers - trinity - bt - botrk - lrd - kraken is not that bad

at lvl 18 i have 428 with the potion + 2.02 atk speed without stacked lethal tempo and it does some decent dmg

with almost 3k hp, 105 armor and 75 magic resistance

i have 32 ability haste so i can have my r in 21 seconds so my build is not that bad

2.62 atk speed with 6 stacks on lethal tempo

eventually stormrazor and ill see how itll work

486 ad with potion and 2.56 atk speed on lvl 18 instead of botrk

i also have 18% lifesteal

opinions on my build?

[drowsy crystal]

The full build is probably fine, your issue will be in getting an efficient buildpath into it.

Yasuo's stat preferences are in order AS, crit, AD, lifesteal, resists, hp. However, once you get As to the point that Q CD is minimized, further AS has very low value (below hp tbqh), similarly once crit is 100%, more crit is just AD (slightly less cost efficient to be more precise). This explains his old buildpaths extremely nicely, but w/ item changes we have some hard choices now (no easy way to get lifeline until after core items kinda sucks, but tbh, Yasuo used to not have that option a long time ago and did fine, so I think it can be dealt with).

[brave tree]

with boots and stormrazor yas has a pretty decent atk speed and i think with stacks on lethal tempo it'll be around 1.70 so this one is already good, you will still have crit (50%) when you have it and only 1 item seperates it from 100% so its not that big of a deal, he has almost 200 ad with 2 items, lifesteal can be from runes and again you will build bloodthirster after trinity, 105 armor and 75 magic resistence which is not that bad (if they have a lot of ap, go wits, if they have ad, go some tanky armor item that most bruisers use) 'n he has almost 3000 hp with full build, with only 1 item you already unlock a lot more combos that can be used, i think my build is pretty good as it fills in all of his needs but for sure there will be better builds, as for now i will stick to mine until we will be sure what to build

[drowsy crystal]

Delaying 100% crit by a full item is a big deal, especially since his Q also crits and only crits benefit from his ult's 15 secs of 50% bonus armor pen.

[brave tree]

i think cloak would fix the problem and it would be possible to rush bt before trinity

[drowsy crystal]

IE passive is also even better for his Q than it is for his ordinary critical hits (it takes his Q crit AD ratio from 147% to 176.(4)% which means the additional damage from getting a critical strike goes from 47% of AD to 76.(4)% of AD...a marginal increase of about 62.6%, whereas normal crit users are looking at a marginal utility of 46.(6)%, and Yasuo's autos are getting about 54.5% marginal utility).

[brave tree]

i realize that but the problem is that he is too squishy, shieldbow does not fix the problem as it only gives shield if below 30% and attack speed only then, trinity gives you hp which can make you more tanky, i tried going IE and i literally got one shot by a 1/6 toplaner that barely dealt damage and that is the problem, if they get fed in late game theres no going back because they literally one shot you, it may be possible to do IE + LRD + Kraken + tank items but i am not sure

[drowsy crystal]

I'm personally planning on trying zerks->SS->IE as a core build and seeing how it feels. Yasuo once upon a time didn't have access to Lifeline at all and got along just fine, so I'm not so sure it's an mandatory as people think (sure it's good to have, especially when we could get from ISB first or further back, from PD).

[tight palm]

i go berserks, statikk into ie on both windshitters

[paper pagoda]

Maybe find another champ 💀

[drowsy crystal]

KS>SS it turns out (and Galeforce active has busted crit scaling on it's dmg, so that's a thing too...)

[tame dome]

it seems that players have figured out the best first item for yasuo now

which is stagaleforce

[brave tree]

galeforce

[wet cradle]

i have no clue why people are reccomending ie shieldbow and kraken

galeforce every time into bt no matter what

[velvet coyote]

https://youtu.be/--D6sZ8wrCY

best items to go on yasuo

idk why people still going shiv its fucking dogshit

issue with galeforce is that it falls off like a brick

but it lets you snowball super hard so sell it and go ie ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drowsy crystal]

Yea, I tried the Galeforce build and was not really impressed (it's a strong 1-item powerspike, but even at 2-items it was behind where I was w/ KS->IE).