#item idea

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slim anvil
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well the main target of this item is urgot, which is supposed to make him able to use on-hit items as they all have AS on them. if you think urgot's current state is fine and such change isnt a good idea, well thats another opinion. I want to just discuss about what this item should be, considering that we are aiming to allow urgot to use on-hit.

mythic item
cost: 3200
stats:
60 AD
20% AS
200 Health

passive: removing all bonus AS, instead multiplying your on-hit damage dealt by the amount (probably not a 1 to 1 ratio, something different)

any idea? how good will it be on him? how about other champs?

median salmon
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Doesn't urgot w nerf on hits?

slim anvil
drifting path
# median salmon Doesn't urgot w nerf on hits?

Yes, but it still gives 2.5 AS without itemizing any AS, so even at 50% damage, that's like having an AS of 1.25 at 100% damage. His 2nd most often built item after Black Cleaver is Titanic Hydra for a reason. The proposed item built alongside Titanic Hydra would probably break the champion and cause the item or champion to get nerfed. I also can't think of too many other users for an item w/ the suggested stats and effects.

slim anvil
drifting path
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His current itemization is fine, champion is actually pretty strong.

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Items should be worthwhile on quite a few champions to be worth adding to the game.

slim anvil
slim anvil
drifting path
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My argument is that Urgot does have good items for his design, and isn't being overtuned to compensate for lack of proper items.

slim anvil
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if you think urgot's current state is fine and such change isnt a good idea, well thats another opinion. I want to just discuss about what this item should be, considering that we are aiming to allow urgot to use on-hit.

drifting path
slim anvil
drifting path
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Urgot also already does use on-hit (Titanic Hydra specifically, it's considered a core item on him)

slim anvil
drifting path
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Jhin would want crit, and not care for 200 hp, and he doesn't build items that actually give on-hit effects because that's not efficient on a champion w/ only base AS for an attack rate.

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Yes, because most champions that want to itemize for on-hit also want AS, Urgot is rather exception in that regard.

slim anvil
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yea the health isnt good for jhin. but besides that would he want to build on-hit alongside this item?

drifting path
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No because his missing out on crit chance (which is more useful to him than AS, this is why he builds AD+crit items and at most a RFC for the range, not the AS).

slim anvil
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so you have any idea of how to make such item which is good for other champions as well?

drifting path
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I think the very way your approaching item engineering is flawed, instead of trying to build an item for a specific champion or interaction, ask yourself are there situations where a given group of champions don't feel like they have a good item to build for that situation?

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Right now, true hybrid champions don't have proper items anymore.

slim anvil
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true hybrid means who?

drifting path
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People like Kayle, Jax, Akali, Katarina. Champions with both AD and AP scalings that are actually good.

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We used to have items for building a mix of AD+AP, but they've been removed (tbf, riot hasn't figured out how to balance hybrid items or champions well yet)

slim anvil
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so by hybrid you mean those who use both scalings?

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going to dinner, will think on that one as well

drifting path
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Another example, crit ADCs would love to have the Saving Grace passive from GA available to them later on in the game, but it's really hard to justify not getting 20% crit from all 5 non-boot item slots, on-hit ADCs however regularly build GA later on in games. A crit item with the Saving Grace passive would fill this niche, and be unlikely to break existing champions (I would keep an eye on Yasuo, Yone, Tryndamere, and Master Yi's use of the item though).

heady oasis
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it could be the more "dps" option for tanky champs along side heartsteel which is burst

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and it would actually be useful on other champs like sion, voli, shen, not only on urgot

slim anvil
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Cool

slim anvil
heady oasis
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probably ad

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or actually, should be adaptive to whatever dmg the tank deals