#How tf are people actually good at the game

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open timber
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I'm a teenager who has been playing league for as long as I can remember . Still in silver. For most of that time I have been seriously trying to get better. Can't do it, like literally don't know how I managed that. I know I shouldn't feel that bad about being bad at a video game, but, league has been an enormous part of my life and it just feels awful still being horrible at the game I love the most. I tried all the guides, reviewing my replays, one tricking. I feel even coaching wouldn't help cuz if I asked the coach what should I improve on the answer would probably "Everything". High elo people, how have you done it?

arctic pelican
# open timber I'm a teenager who has been playing league for as long as I can remember . Still...

based on ur role, are u a SP main? SP is kinda generalized as the brainless / no skill role since all u do is land skillshots / wards, and only your footwork and macro needs work

i suggest going toplane / midlane / jg if u want to make a huge impact, idm coaching, but i peaked diamond

most people here agrees that if u want to climb, you kinda need to carry yourself with 4 dumpsters in your team and the logic being if ur with dumpsters, so are the enemy, so its 1 player (you) + 4 dumpsters vs 5 dumpsters

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Macro generally wont matter unless u reached plat, Farming and trading is the thing you kinda need to worry about generally

Macro will help alot, but not necessary

open timber
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I don't rly have a set role I kinda one trick a champ for 1-4 weeks -> get bored of them ->repeat

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currently trying out jg asol

arctic pelican
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if u want to abuse low elo player's mistakes alot, try Illaoi or Jax imo

arctic pelican
# open timber currently trying out jg asol

Dont play gimmick champs too if u want to rank up, unless someone did it first in high elo, which you can just look what they are doing and stop using instincts, and follow what they are doing

open timber
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i mostly do it cuz idk why but I hate playing popular champs

arctic pelican
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illaoi is very unpopular, you can try her and see if u can pilot her

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illaoi is the one trick pony that relies solely on her E landing and let button mash do the work

open timber
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is there a good not juggernaut to rank up?

red edge
arctic pelican
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not juggernaut,

what u want? diver / skirmisher / etc?

red edge
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like i dont wanna burst ur bubble and it definitely doesnt mean u cant

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but there is a certain level of awareness that some ppl have that just allows them to naturally self improve, and some dont have it

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you can teach it yourself, sure, but you will just pick up that level of independent and critical thinking from all areas of life

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like yeah sure ppl can advise u to play certain things etc etc but u will hit another brick wall sooner or later, this is the barrier that holds ppl back from climbing

arctic pelican
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a bit of macro help and he can prob reach higher

red edge
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but how do you learn macro? critical thinking

arctic pelican
red edge
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there is a difference between understanding and knowing,,, you can ''know'' stuff by getting spoonfed it, but that will only get u so far

arctic pelican
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yea experience vs theory thing

red edge
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its the critical thinking that allows u to understand it

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and develop it further

open timber
red edge
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that makes me feel bad cuz now i feel like i just shit on u way too hard cryge

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but im just tryna give the most real answer that aint full of bollocks or cope that most ppl give

open timber
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thx for that

red edge
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you can definitely get good and i guarantee you you will dramatically improve at all ur other games from it

arctic pelican
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send op.gg maybe we can see smth

red edge
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mine or theirs

arctic pelican
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like CS scores and pattern, falight's

red edge
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its not about ''seeing something'' on paper, its literally just do they have the capacity to realise this themselves

proper kettle
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well tbh bro, dont randomly first time a couple champs every couple of weeks

red edge
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this is exactly what im talking about, youre not improving if you are just been spoonfed shit to get better at, you need to figure it out yourself

proper kettle
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play a handfull of champs consistently and only those champs

arctic pelican
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there's not rly much we can do then, but imo taking initiative and doing smth first is a core part for playing toplane

proper kettle
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also dont play when you lose do something else and take a break

red edge
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there is a lot we can do, its just general advice that op needs to interpret

open timber
red edge
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which is just GENUINELY think about your gameplay

open timber
proper kettle
arctic pelican
proper kettle
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ur playing really high skill ceeling/floor champs and multipe at the same time

red edge
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question it - why are you taking a teamfight? what will happen after it? do you need to fight it? what are you fighting for? is it worth it? how should you play it? etc etc... this is the general thought process u should follow before even contesting anything

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you will improve by questioning your own gameplay and learning by answering those questions yourself

proper kettle
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it takes a massive amount of games to master a champ moreso if its with one of those champs

red edge
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if it doesnt work, try something else, maybe your answer was wrong, but maybe it wasnt, if it wasnt, learn from it and how to replicate it in the future

open timber
red edge
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obviously here is where the ''stick to a few champs'' part comes in because u need to have sound mechanics to focus on this stuff

proper kettle
red edge
proper kettle
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its not cheating if ur playing juggs they are difficult and unique to pilot

red edge
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i mean sure if u want mechanical advice i can help u out with darius at least cuz i was/sorta am a darius otp who was one of the best on euw

open timber
open timber
proper kettle
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most op champ is non existant

red edge
arctic pelican
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his CS is pretty good

proper kettle
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they always grt nerfed into the ground, there are several infuriating matchups tho, like illaoi

red edge
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like... youre not doing badly at all is one thing ill say

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hold your head a bit higher mate and be a bit more proud

open timber
proper kettle
arctic pelican
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for silver yes

red edge
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but its a start

proper kettle
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then why couldent i climb with 8 cs a min

red edge
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because that means fuck all if ur shit

arctic pelican
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heck, im plat with 5 cs kekW, but granted im top, and his midlane

open timber
proper kettle
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i was stuck in sil 1 until i dropped adc for mid lane

red edge
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cs is a method of getting gold and gold is a tool to allow you to exercise ur strengths as a player, if you have no strengths its like giving steven hawking steroids

proper kettle
red edge
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again, this is where the critical review of ur gameplay comes into it

proper kettle
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if no peel the 0/4 top laner juns theough my team to kill me

red edge
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sure you have gold and ur fed but what if you dont have a monkey of a clue with what to do with ur lead

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this is why throws and stuff r so common in low elo bc ppl r just running around like headless chickens

red edge
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pattern ur mechanics and knowledge of a champ which is what u can just read off paper and then learn how to play the fucking game

open timber
red edge
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am i good? definitely not, but i improved mostly by myself via some independent thinking

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and it worked

open timber
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well i made a spreadsheet so that's a start _ i think?_

red edge
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thats p much the best advice i can give to anyone lookign to improve and if u cant comprehend how to take it on board then im sorry but ur gonna have a hard ass time

red edge
open timber
cobalt basin
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honestly the same, ive been playing for almost 5 years now and ive peaked about silver 2

red edge
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yeah thats a great start and the most important part is your thoughts on why you won or lost

proper kettle
red edge
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you gotta expand on these further... if you lost because your team took a bad baron fight for example and this lead to u just fucking over the game completely

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why did you think it was a good idea to take the fight? categorise things into a ''to do with me'' and ''i couldnt help it'' category rlly

cobalt basin
red edge
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deal with the ''to do with me'' stuff first bc thats easiest to get

red edge
cobalt basin
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yi X_X

red edge
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dont force urself to play a champ u dont like because u aint gonna have fun that way and wtf is the point in playing if there isnt at least some fun in it

open timber
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like 50% of the aftergame thoughts are "bot diff" or some variation

red edge
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but again... draw on this.... how could you have influenced it?

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how could you have given yourself and your team more chances to win instead

open timber
red edge
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maybe if you won lane harder you couldve carried against their botlane

red edge
cobalt basin
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i play champs like shaco ad and rengar which i enjoy but they arent really making an impact late game no matter how fed i get

red edge
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because youre playing like a headless chicken

cobalt basin
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names chicken wingz

red edge
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which is something i struggled with when playing rengar for a while as well

open timber
cobalt basin
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tips

red edge
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ok so your champ is really good at killing people and not much else but... what do you do after you kill people?

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this is where so many low elo plaeyrs just have no idea, they just turn the game into a fuckfest and keep fighting and killing in the hope something happens

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before you even go for a kill you should be thinking about what you will do after

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committing much for a kill means fuck all if u cant get anything else from it, the goal isnt the gold from the kill, its the thing you do after

open timber
red edge
red edge
cobalt basin
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would ap malphite top be good rn?

open timber
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but how do I know I can kill them

red edge
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no but if you enjoy it try anyway

cobalt basin
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i went draft it was fine but rankeds a diffrent story

red edge
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you should be able to answer that urself no problem

open timber
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lvl/champ/items

red edge
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exactly, so what do you do with this info? compare it to your own, weigh things up

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make a decision off that (and then u should be looking to factor in things like where other ppl are and what the kill nets u etc etc but thats for another time)

proper kettle
red edge
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this is the thought process u should be having when tackling any issues/questions u have with ur gameplay

open timber
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i mostly base the analysis of "can i 1v1 them" on previous fights with them that game

red edge
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yeah, thats another factor you should take into consideration

cobalt basin
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i jump in headfirst and hope i get a penta, prolly why am bronze

red edge
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and then you will learn over time how to give different weight to each point of consideration

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its something that comes with a lot of time and practice, but it will come as long as you have the critical thought

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my problem is now that you should be aiming to see this for yourself

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cuz it aint like some hidden dark tech its literally just critical thinking

open timber
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i don't know is their champ good against mine?/can they dodge my stun?/can i dodge their stun?
i just suck at knowing what champ is strong were and when

red edge
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yeah those are more things to consider, good start :D

open timber
red edge
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and there is another thing you have pointed out, start learning stuff about more champs then

cobalt basin
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as a jngl main i get pressed when and who to gank

proper kettle
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i know this isent what you want to hear, but stop playing asol jungle

red edge
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but that comes best with time and practice, as does much stuff in the game

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its not an easy climb, but i guarantee you you will succeed if you use a bit of brain power

cobalt basin
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if im not silver in a week, im donating myself to charity

open timber
open saffron
open timber
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i don't play her i mean like vs her

open saffron
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oh

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her early is kinda weak, post 6 is where she rlly shines with ult, just dodge her charms mainly

open timber
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k

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thx everybody for help
will probably still be silver for (at least) the next year

open saffron
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you can do it man!

open saffron
open timber
cobalt basin
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just twerk agresively before every game honestly

proper kettle
open timber
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I could play aph i just despise everything bot lane related

proper kettle
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its like deciding im going to show up to an airsoft fight with only a pistol and no ammo

open timber
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I like asol but mid is whack

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I like top the problem is i don't like any toplaners kekW

chrome oak
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I don’t think you should play 5 different roles, if you want to see yourself improving, stick to one role and play 2-3 champions in that role

open timber
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I tried i just get bored

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Probably the adhd talking

chrome oak
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Additionally, play champions that don’t have a high ceiling in terms of mechanics. Qiyana is a pretty difficult champ

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You pretty much played league in hard mode

open timber
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Yeah but she's fun
If i get bored of qiyana/aphelios how am i supposed to play like, idk ,wukong

chrome oak
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But by playing champs like Qiyana and aphelios you’re not going to improve

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You’re playing 2 of the most difficult champs in the game based on their roles

open timber
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Would gwen be comaidered hard?

chrome oak
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Gwen kit is pretty simple

open timber
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Nice

chrome oak
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Yeah but honestly, if your goal is to improve in the game. You have to play the game in easy mode. Play champions with simple kits, try to learn what mistakes you have made during the game, and think about how you can improve your cs score since it’s really low.

prime storm
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you have a mental block. 80% of this game is mental, there is no magic trick it's just making conscious choices and playing the very basics of the game.

molten creek
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play whoever you want to play, and play only that. It's those matchups that you need to know - like if you can dive someone under tower.

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also a good idea to know jungle matchups and if you'll need to provide assistance, and pick based around that.

amber wing
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repetition, discipline and mentality, the 3 key things to improvement at well anything really!

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repeatedly practicing at the same task day in and day out

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disciplining yourself to not giving up at the reps

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and having an always improving mentality

past eagle
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Players naturally hit a 'peak' in a game after some amount of time playing, and usually won't improve beyond that point without reconsidering what they think they know about the game. This is one of the big reasons coaching is so sought after, good coaches will help you recognize both the less than obvious mistakes and even more importantly the missed opportunities in your games. League is a very knowledge dependent game, what you don't know is probably what's keeping you in silver. I should also mention that most high rank players only play 1 champion mostly with maybe 2 other backup picks in the case that their main gets banned or to pick into especially terrible matchups for said main. Most of those players have years of experience, most of it on their main too. If you want to climb, stick with one champion for months at least. You will slowly learn the finer points to playing that champ and improve from it.

tepid cypress
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@open timber I'm also low elo yes so idk ur choice if u want to listen but for jgl u gotta focus on the fundamentals in low elo

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The main focus is pathing, cs and impact over the map

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Like atm, I play a lot of udyr jgl

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W udyr I'm tryna focus on getting at least 8cs/min and getting all objectives by pathing the right way

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And it really does work as I've been carrying all my games + usually have all objectives except one

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U can try implementing enemy raptors into ur clear and with udyr try to burn ghost for a kill or something in bot lane

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Something else that I'd reccomend is instead of getting Swifties get ah boots

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U can also instead of conq go with phase rush + resolve

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Udyr's main powerspike is around demonic embrace

tepid cypress
tepid cypress
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I've played lee sin and whatever and got bored but I ain't getting bored of udyr or yasuo

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Even tho I do go on norms to play sumn else sometimes

silent mantle
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95% of players are hardstuck because they play 5 different champs and change "mains" every week

robust cloak
worthy vault
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Even an iron can be a montage worthy zed, riven, Irelia if they put in the time

robust cloak
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meh might be my shit mouse and macbook air 2014 with 25 fps copium

worthy vault
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Well malphite is kind of abuseable rn...

robust cloak
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mechanical god malphite gameplay fr fr ong

worthy vault
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Q spam during the laning phase, W E Q for trades and R during a team fight

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Instantly the most valuable player who stomped lane and carried team fights

crystal olive
crystal olive
fickle glen
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alot different to review the game and know exactly what u should have done, compared to being ingame and having the stress inhibiting the thinking part

worthy vault
crystal olive
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sorry mid doesnt* mid stays the same both elos

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mid is mid haha @worthy vault

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you have the duality of playing solo or teamfight champs, and the ability to rotate fast

worthy vault
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Just play to get yourself ahead