Why aren't they fixing tank meta?

[solar dove]

The game has been so dominated by tanks to the point where they outscale health and damage wise regardless of how they play, is riot doing anything to fix this and is it worth to get back into league.

[toxic olive]

tanks are easier to deal with than ever, it's honestly fine

maybe the champion you play is especially bad vs tanks, but over all there's a lot of answers to them

[solar dove]

I'm assuming you're a biast tank main if you're saying this, tanks control almost all of high winrste and are dominating every elo

[toxic olive]

I don't have even one tank in my champion pool, if you get counter picked by a tank it can be pretty bad, but choosing what to pick into tanky teams the possibilities are endless

Ldr, cut down, all the pen items, sunderer, botrk

[solar dove]

And then they outscale you regardless

[toxic olive]

If you had seen what adc vs tanks looked in earlier seasons you wouldn't believe it, a season 8-9 as would say you are hacking if they saw what we have today

I guess you play top?

There's tank killers in every role outside of supp that do not get out scaled

[zenith blaze]

have you seen a mundo vs adc today?

but yeah they have made considerable efforts into putting anti tank items within the game, there isent really a tank meta in the game tbh.

[toxic olive]

I play kai'sa very often and while a Mundo could oneshot me if he gets on me I have the dmg output to kill him

In earlier seasons you didn't even have that

[ancient phoenix]

because tanks are supposed to counter bruisers it’s natural

and with the high amount of tank counters in the game nothing necessarily needs to be done

but yeah I 100% agree regardless fuck tanks they need to be gutted

[tall crag]

they have nerfed it.

[formal lava]

ahahah that was a funny one man

[wheat cloak]

"we want tanks back buff tanks please"
"fuck tanks please nerf them to the ground its the most boring shit on earth"

[untold temple]

We not playing the same game

[scarlet bane]

“Tank meta” meanwhile I literally see 6K hp chogath with full resistances disappearing from my screen in 2 seconds

The amount of anti tank items in the game is insane, you’re just not building the items to kill tanks then complain that you can in fact not kill tanks

[ornate falcon]

Not everyone can fight tanks lmao if that’s the case they’ve been gutted

If a tank is fed they can carry just like any other champ

[lone gull]

Because look ever since like season 9

Every fucking champion released have either True Damage, or fucking % HP damage

also literally what tanks do damage? except rammus / AP Malphite / AP Zac / AP Nunu / AP Amumu

KSante. but he is a special case, also kinda cant oneshot you enough

Tanks:

Alistar: Lmao yea gl trying to do dmg with him
Amumu: if you build him AP
Gragas: If you build him AP
Leona: Same with Ali
Malphite: if you build him AP
Maokai: Ali
Naut: if you build him AP
Nunu: if you build him AP
Ornn: Ali
Rammu: Yea this one can oneshot you
Rell: Ali
Sejuani: Ali
Sion: Needs Lethality full + Death
Zac: if you build him AP
Braum: Ali
Galio: if you build him AP full, not actually going mixed
Ksante: Special case since his ult removes his hp + protection
Poppy: Ali
Shen: Ali
Tahm: Ali
Taric: Ali

[untold temple]

Ornn can almost 100-0

[lone gull]

his numbers are tied with % HP, p sure u cant 100-0

imma look up a fucking ornn guide and see if a 3 item ornn vs a 3 item galeforce adc can tank him actually

[untold temple]

Ik but he can get close.

[lone gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ngs_mFPI_g imma be using this combo guide

and lets just use conqueror instead of grasp and bread and butter combo on the video

im gonna go Sunfire -> Radiant Virtue -> Thornmail cause thats the most popular build now

and lvl 16

and apparently practice tool cant summon enemy champs, so im just gonna calc manually

ok nvm i can add the resistance and armor manually

89.59 armor + 48.82 MR on vayne, so 90 since its 10 flat

1471 total w sunfire, yea its not even close

[untold temple]

cuz u dont know the tech. abyssal + sorcs

throw in a void staff lvl 18 aswell :^ )

[solar dove]

that means ur having a skill issue considering only you are having that problem

[glacial bone]

when the fuck do you see people play tanks lmfao

[untold temple]

yea people only did when heartsteel came out

and most people find tanks boring af

[glacial bone]

buddy i think everyone can agree that all top lane champions are complete bogus

the trade off being that the lane itself is very.. bad position wise

if you're going to complain about champions then atleast complain about riven or something, there's really no merit in playing full tank these days

Heartsteel is a noob trap, Jak'Sho is mediocre at best and Frostfire is countered by ap

[untold temple]

yea why play tanks when u can pick bruisers and be just as hard to kill while having way more dmg

[glacial bone]

^

[untold temple]

IBG seriously needs more stats

but the sheen proc has way too much power in it so thats prolly not gonna happen

[glacial bone]

well i mean theres a good reason that tank meta is dead and kept dead. Did u see what sleepfest happened the last time it occurred?

tanks are the only class not countered by cc, so if you don't have damage (which u dont in a tank meta) go next

[untold temple]

S6 and 7

the 3 tanks 1 enchanter 1 adc team comps in s7 worlds was the most boring stuff

[solar dove]

lowest elo message ive ever seen

[glacial bone]

what's ur elo :D

[solar dove]

im an old challenger

[glacial bone]

then why do you have such a dogshit take

the only good tank is Malphite in top, and rammus/nunu jungle

[untold temple]

so everuthing he said is wrong or? cuz IBG sucks

[glacial bone]

J4 goes bruiser and Zac is not really overwhelming anymore after his nerfs

[untold temple]

zac is still disgusting

[solar dove]

j4 literally goes tank and zac is incredibly overwhelming

[untold temple]

full tank j4 is not a thing unless your name is malrang stop cope

[solar dove]

What game are you playing man

[glacial bone]

can agree with Zac i still don't like him

but to call him broken is a stretch tbf, is it not?

[untold temple]

people never play jarvan. they only did after they gave his W an AD ratio 💀

[glacial bone]

na ok thats cap j4 is present every game

[untold temple]

never see jarvan ever

[glacial bone]

Whether banned or picked, he's always present

[untold temple]

he only being played in masters + or what?

[glacial bone]

Not sure I just know he's always present

Also @solar dove J4 most popular build atm (and in my recent games) he goes bruiser

[untold temple]

build is just goredrinker/eclipse > BC into whatever. hydra aswell

[dusty plover]

Since when are tanks supposed to counter bruisers lol

[untold temple]

LMAO

[glacial bone]

tanks counter bruisers in lane and some outscale them

[solar dove]

most outscale

[glacial bone]

Malphite being a prime example of that

[untold temple]

tanks do not fking outscale bruisers

[glacial bone]

they do

[untold temple]

why

[scarlet bane]

Nono, you’re the only one incapable of killing tanks, I’m saying the opposite

[glacial bone]

you're gonna tell me 2K armor rammus and Malphite don't beat the Botrk/Black cleaver bruiser? those items don't do enough

Then again there are no other tanks as bullshit as them right now (nunu is bs but for other reasons)

[untold temple]

ARH YES THE 2 MEGA AD COUNTERS COUNTER AD CHAMPS? WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT. and fighters beat malphite later cuz sustain :D

[glacial bone]

yeah so the point still stands doesn't it?

[solar dove]

yeah thats why in current high elo tanks are going around being fully unkillable unless 1v5'd

[untold temple]

and u must've not heard about GWEN

[solar dove]

malphite reduces fighters damage and 1 shots them

[glacial bone]

I said most

[untold temple]

rammus and malphite dont = all tanks pls

[glacial bone]

Once again, I said most. I never implied all tanks beat all bruisers

[untold temple]

would like to see malphite oneshot yone or yasuo with shieldbow, BT bork etc

[untold temple]

so its jsut malphite and rammus being strong ( rammus getting nerfed aswell next patch)

[scarlet bane]

Idk man, we must be playing different games, I don’t see tanks other than malph because playing tanks is pointless

[glacial bone]

for the reasons mentioned, basically yeah

A full tank these days is only good if the enemy Lacks dps, which is a draft diff and not tanks being op

[untold temple]

and. what about gwen, morde and sylas against these champs ? :)

[glacial bone]

they win lol what do you want me to say

i'm not agreeing with this thread, i'm pointing out some things that are still true

[solar dove]

You must be playing low ranked games lol

[dusty plover]

Really depends, because bruisers have way better early to mid game, as well as carry potential than tanks. You can’t just say tanks beat bruisers except for the bruisers that beats tanks lmao

[glacial bone]

i'm not gonna repeat myself

[glacial bone]

I guess everyone here is wrong besides you. You'd have someone agree with you if there was truly a tank meta

and league players being the meta slaves they are, games would be completely spammed with full tanks too. Meta channel would be going crazy too as a bonus

[scarlet bane]

Doubt they are lower than yours considering this dogwater take but sure I guess

[solar dove]

its a league server I was expecting the bronze and lower to come out and voice their opinion

[dusty plover]

Your statement simply isn’t true lol. Bruisers don’t get countered by tanks

[glacial bone]

if your only argument is elo then you're beyond stupid ngl

holding on to the s8 challenger glory

[scarlet bane]

He is not chally btw so not sure why he’s bringing up elo, this is a funny thread

[glacial bone]

even if he is challenger this has got to be one of the goofiest takes in a while

and I never disagree with challengers because 1. they're better than me and 2. they know the game better

[scarlet bane]

If he actually was he wouldn’t be typing this low iq of a thread unless it was a bait or to have a lugh

[glacial bone]

i don't get either feeling from this thread and argument. if he is really challenger this game is doomed

[untold temple]

ok so basciallly theres a few outliers like rammus and malphite being really strong tanks. but. thats it? ig u can slap in zac and ornn aswell

[dusty plover]

There was never a tank meta when they added the new mythic items

[untold temple]

so much anti tank shit. but people refuse to get the items :D

[glacial bone]

yes that's it, even then they're just cancer and not actually broken. As I said before, if a full tank is dominating the game it's just because of the lack of dps and not because tanks are broken. The only exceptions being the one that you listed.

[scarlet bane]

“Tank meta reeeee, I can’t kill tanks when I go gale rfc so it must be tank meta”

[lone gull]

i kinda just got to U.gg or other websites and just copy pasted the build at lvl 16

[untold temple]

also malphite getting alot of buffs just made zero sense

[lone gull]

proof plox

i wanna see a challenger account

[solar dove]

Well id give my arguments if you gave me actual reasons to disagree with but youre sticking to the moron theory and just saying its bad even know challenger pro stats and everything else disagrees

[dusty plover]

If it’s just 1 or 2 champions, that’s more to do with the champion and not the class because 1 or 2 champions do not represent the majority of the class

[untold temple]

BROOO THE "ZERO DMG BUILD" AKA galeforce, rfc collector into the 300+ armor tank

[scarlet bane]

Hence you are agreeing with adam

[viral dagger]

Challenger champ select isn't tank biased in the slightest and neither is gm or masters lol

[lone gull]

ive tested it, in an even playing field, tanks do like 1-1.5k AT FULL COMBO

[scarlet bane]

“Trust me bro I’m chally, it’s tank meta”

[untold temple]

only tank players are the otp like makkro

[dusty plover]

No I’m not, Adam is saying the class is broken, but I disagree it’s not the class, but the very few champions from that class

[lone gull]

remember

TANKS ARE NOT JUGGERNAUT

(S) plural, typo

[viral dagger]

Malphite is just a temporary OP bcs of the recent changes but obviously this one champ who's only been strong for two patches doesn't make it a tank meta

[scarlet bane]

No adam is saying the only 2 champions in that class that are strong are malphite and rammus and the rest of the class is poopoo

[glacial bone]

you're not listing anything because you don't have shit to put on the table. Challengers coached me and call it a jungle/bot meta. What makes you correct and them wrong? Say something useful stuck up dog

[glacial bone]

I never said the entire class is broken, reread everything or Papa Frankens recap cause that's basically what I said

[lone gull]

DaleKnowlton

[dusty plover]

^

Buddy he said class not the specific champions

[scarlet bane]

Where did he say tanks are broken

[lone gull]

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/ph/Valorox
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/Valorox

the only Valorox i could find peaked plat

[scarlet bane]

@dusty plover

[dusty plover]

I never said they were, but I’m saying bruisers aren’t countered by tanks

[lone gull]

S7 Gold S8 Gold S9 Silver S10 Silver S11 Platinum Red side lover

20 hours ago played

[glacial bone]

All I said is tanks are better in lane. After that they aren't. Read everything

[lone gull]

take this info with a grain of salt due to just name and twitch name

[untold temple]

[glacial bone]

not everyone uses the same ign on dc and league but this would be pretty fuckin funny lol

[lone gull]

he has twitch the same

also he has NA role, and Valorox (NA) is there

so uh take it with a grain of salt

[viral dagger]

Quick delete the thread, this guy's down bad

[scarlet bane]

I’ve seen this happen before in threads, like 2-3 times. It would be funny yeah

[dusty plover]

And I don’t agree with that

[glacial bone]

.. the early levels.. pre-6.. better now? or are we gonna have another argument?

[lone gull]

i mean, no proof = no service shit is the rule in most trading situation, and including trading opinions

[scarlet bane]

Had a guy say he was chally gp and linked an acc, minutes later the owner of the acc who was streaming on the acc the day prior entered the thread

[glacial bone]

💀

[solar dove]

My challenger acc got banned bozos

[untold temple]

[glacial bone]

the classic

[lone gull]

THE CLASSIC

[solar dove]

Thats literally the point of this thread , whether I should get back into the game.

[untold temple]

NAAHHH COPE HAHA

[scarlet bane]

Ngl I have had this classic pulled on me before

[glacial bone]

u can still link it then? link us ur opgg

[dusty plover]

Which tanks are better than who pre6?

[lone gull]

HOLY SHIT

MY ACC GOT BANNED EXCUSE

[solar dove]

https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/dealar firelord

[untold temple]

last time tanks were a REAL big problem was in season 6/7 so no need to really worry about them

[glacial bone]

tanks have higher base damage on their spells. Short trades will always be won by them pre-6 no matter what.

[glacial bone]

u either got challenger in s1 or s2, or you just linked some random ass account

it would still show rank; previous ranks and last games played etc

[scarlet bane]

It’s a whole different server lads

[untold temple]

they need the higher base dmg tho

[solar dove]

I got challenger a while ago before masters and grandmaster were in the game, if you read im trying to figure out whether I should get back into the game. Maybe learn to read?

[solar dove]

It clearly wouldnt as it doesnt

[untold temple]

the game isnt being domianted by tanks. so yes u can get back into the game there u go

[viral dagger]

Dude you weren't ever challenger, or if you were it's clearly not relevant now because your account is gold

[dusty plover]

But bruisers generally have better sustained damage than tanks.

[glacial bone]

yes it fucking does do you think i would say this if i werent sure?

[glacial bone]

And where does sustain come from? Extended fights or items! Which you do not have pre 6

[untold temple]

irelia after vamp scepter :

[glacial bone]

Pre 6666666666666666666666

[solar dove]

my old low elo duoing acc is g1 after 8 games my bad next time ill just place challenger on a new acc

[untold temple]

they got conq so still win extended fights ?

[glacial bone]

IM TALKING ABOUT SHORT TRADES

[dusty plover]

Well because tanks damage are all from short trades. That’s why so many tanks bring grasp because it enhances their short trades.

[untold temple]

yea no shi tanks generally win those

[glacial bone]

Exactly so they win any short trades in lane pre-6?

[glacial bone]

So i'm correct or are you just gonna disregard everythin I've said up until now

[solar dove]

you gotta be joking I literally linked you the acc and it doesnt show anything

[dusty plover]

They can, but even then that’s no garuntee and bruisers can still win short trades

[glacial bone]

no they can't. Name someone who can in some matchup.

[viral dagger]

The cap needs to stop, this thread has to be a bait

[untold temple]

yep

[scarlet bane]

Yeah idk, it’s funny

[dusty plover]

What the hell, you can’t be serious lol

[viral dagger]

Ur a legendary shit poster @solar dove , keep it up bro

[glacial bone]

Okay then present me whatever works for you? you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and somehow thinking i'm incorrect

[solar dove]

I was really hoping at least one person with knowledge of the game to join

[dusty plover]

Because I’m baffled at your statement xD. Bruisers can’t win short trades vs tanks?

[glacial bone]

No. That's what I said. Who can? Hit me with it i'm waiting

[dusty plover]

Wukong vs malphite

[glacial bone]

Wukong wins? Without items? He wins?

[dusty plover]

Anytime , malphite could use his spells on the clone or it can be dodged from his invis

[glacial bone]

Are you sure you didn't just list his worst ufcking matchup top?

[viral dagger]

Guys relax. Some bruisers beat some tanks early and some tanks beat some bruisers early, malphite pretty much beats every melee bruiser early. Simple as that

[dusty plover]

Bro what

[solar dove]

wukong definitely does not win that

[glacial bone]

thank you

[untold temple]

camilie short trades pretty gud

[glacial bone]

Without sheen it's ass

[untold temple]

so the only thing tanks do better than bruisers is short trades. and so what. doesnt make them shit or completely useless

[glacial bone]

Even when using his W, you can still be hit. Not only that, but you can just walk back up as any tank and out dps the wukong.

Malphite specific, just E him if he ever walks up. Done deal

Q and W not included

[solar dove]

malphite doesnt lose any matchups but maybe sion

[dusty plover]

Dude I’m not talking about current malphite

[glacial bone]

ok nice bait im out

[viral dagger]

Dude I AM talking about current malphite

[dusty plover]

Current malpite is very overturned right now

[glacial bone]

mb for taking it u got me there

[untold temple]

losses to sion cho. and ornn idk. never played that mathcup i tihnk

[dusty plover]

He is for sure going to get nerfed

[viral dagger]

Current malphite is peak league of legends man, why nerf that

[glacial bone]

(i'm sure his early damage is what makes malphite op!!!!)

[scarlet bane]

L bozo

[glacial bone]

you are either also trolling me or tryna win an argument that doesnt exist.

i'm talking about Tanks in top, pre 6. when did i call bruisers suddenly useless or shit? I even admitted earlier on how broken top champions are

[viral dagger]

It's not just the damage, it's the anti-carry tools and the ease of execution combined with quite solid dmg with three points in Q

[scarlet bane]

You are getting jebaited very hard yeah, noticed this when I replied to one of them

Gaslighting you into oblivion

[glacial bone]

i'm glad there are atleast 2 sane humans on my side

[untold temple]

so

[glacial bone]

once more my point still stands

Every time someone talks about top the most dogshit or untrue take takes place

[viral dagger]

Well this is the subreddit discord

[scarlet bane]

Good point

[glacial bone]

i'm getting cancer every time I argue here I should really stop

[viral dagger]

Ye bro ur down bad for sure

[glacial bone]

Not only does the other party not care, they don't listen in the first place I keep talking to fucking walls

[scarlet bane]

It’s a true, I joined serious threads for fun like a year ago, here I am today… losing braincells

It’s a drug, I crave other people’s copium

[glacial bone]

i'm arguing out of boredom don't get me wrong but man I feel like i'm the dumbass now

[scarlet bane]

Yeah same here

[glacial bone]

relatable too I love seeing people cope, not so much seeing them stand their ground dead seriously for over 40 minutes

[viral dagger]

I'm a horsewoman top gamer, my dms are always open for only the best take balance discussions

[glacial bone]

then it just becomes sad instead of funny. it's likea a permanent delusion

[wheat cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985

[glacial bone]

Very well balanced champions top. (I play Jax Tryndamere we are the pinnacle of balance)

[wheat cloak]

every "discussion" in any League of Legends forum

[glacial bone]

lowkey true

[wheat cloak]

the whole game changes meta, it don't fucking matter how you discuss it people will always hate the meta that's going on

hell those people who would like a meta would hate it once they experience it

[glacial bone]

but that's not even the point here this extreme coping addict is speaking of some halluciation of a meta. When was a tank meta last present bro???

[viral dagger]

I mean honestly guys, aside from the worst offending champs, can we just agree meta doesn't matter until 500LP

[glacial bone]

y'aint seen the platinum meta slaves craving for lp

Gold is so innocent, then you enter the wannabe good players in plat

[wheat cloak]

I remember when people were complaining about how weak Aatrox was and wanted him buffed, and when he was meta everyone wanted him gutted
You can't win in these discussions

[glacial bone]

People feeling "sad about how bad he is and aatrox mains should get some love :((("

Next patch: what is this turbo cancer broken champion why is he always so strong?

[untold temple]

who complained about him being weak and needing buffs????

[viral dagger]

Well I mean it's usually not the same people guys, the community is just really big

[wheat cloak]

it's even worse because they don't know why he is barely touched

[glacial bone]

I am convinced you are illiterate

[untold temple]

[wheat cloak]

Season 11 and everyone just kept comparing him to worse Riven

[glacial bone]

i did it again i took the bait once more help me @scarlet bane

[wheat cloak]

hell before the whole Aatrox debacle people kept touting he was just worse Riven

[untold temple]

well riven is a fking exodia champ

[wheat cloak]

when he became meta people said he was ultra god immortal champ and must be nerfed to the ground and never see the light of day again

[scarlet bane]

[wheat cloak]

class and champ meta aren't fun at all and why I just think people who ask for buffs on a champ just don't realize the gravity of how some shit like this can be unfun.

but that's off topic, this thread was just bait

[glacial bone]

but it's weird how out of the blue 2 other baits come along, thats some new tech

like i'm still shook this guy mentioned Wukong vs Malphite in an example of why Bruisers beat Tanks pre 6; i don't think you could've taken anything fucking worse 😭

[wheat cloak]

ex-fucking-cuse me?

can't Wukong do nothing pre Divine or some shit because what

[glacial bone]

obviously I debunk his "claim" and then he goes off saying he's not talking about the "current malphite" as if his pre-6 damage and anti carry tool on his E are the features which make him broken

[scarlet bane]

He was talking about release malphite man

[viral dagger]

Hey you stole my phrase!

[wheat cloak]

💀

[glacial bone]

As if it was any different in 2009 bro i can't believe it

[wheat cloak]

damn I wonder why Aatrox looks and plays different from 2009

[scarlet bane]

Idk, I wasn’t playing back then but yeah he chose the worst matchup example, anywho

[wheat cloak]

2012 whatever

[viral dagger]

Honestly 2009 aatrox was on some diff shit

[scarlet bane]

So many baits here, time to just lurk and read. Nothing’s beating the OP

[wheat cloak]

inb4 people begging for revive to come back

[void parrot]

skill issue

[untold temple]

[silver frost]

Is this thread troll ?

4 adcs’s banned per draft in average and bot lane focused meta. And somehow the Ornn and Mundo on the 1v1 island stacking heartsteel is the problem

It’s not a tank meta. The issue of balancing items. Items are the most broken thing In league at the moment. items like BOTRK and Radiant Virtue are just too good for my liking tbh

[copper echo]

to be fair, almost every game I play in the jg has some sor of double tank shit going on
it's a particular menace in lower elos, which makes it even harder for people to climb

[untold temple]

u playing against amumu and stuff right?

[lone gull]

"1v1 island"

truer words have never been said before

[ancient phoenix]

Yeah, maybe itemization is a thing. It’s not like every anti-tank item in the game has been buffed over the last 2 years. Everything kills items. Even tanks kill tanks. Even some supports like Renata R can force adcs to kill their own tanks or Senna can itemize Eclipse. Thoughts? I agree.

[untold temple]

the doctor has spoken

[digital trench]

NO they can't because they don't itemize for damage. Also, don't confuse tanks with juggernauts, they are not the same thing

[digital trench]

S7 maybe, not S6, S6 was league of marksmen.

[ornate falcon]

I know the difference? You’re saying a full on class of champions can’t carry?

[untold temple]

S6 was literally the sunfire IBG spirit vsage meta. shit was being memed cuz of it

[digital trench]

Damage output wins games, and tanks (and enchanters) have dogshit damage scaling with true-to-their-archetype builds (some tanks going full AP; looking at you, Malphite; are exceptions to this because that's really a tank turned AP carry at that point).

[toxic olive]

actually most tanks can nearly oneshot at least one person

[digital trench]

You're misremembering that season somewhat then, because I remember ADCs being god mode that year, tanks didn't even live that long, let alone divers (which became unplayable).

[untold temple]

tanks were still strong that season. just dont remember when in the season it was. myabe earlier on

[ornate falcon]

You’re saying Zeri can win a game without her yuumi?

You don’t win games without a front line (usually)

[digital trench]

You're probably thinking of season 5. Season 6 I will never forget because that's when ADCs finally got efficient items as a class for the first time and it broke the role to the point that 2-3 ADCs per team was normal.

[ornate falcon]

Not saying every role/class has the same amount of impact, some have or less but they can all carry, actual carry champions carry way more and often cause of their nature but not only them

[digital trench]

Frontlines are important precisely because they can absorb damage (and often have CC/engage tools to help get a good fight going, but without a backline, a frontline is usually just free kills).

[ornate falcon]

Yes but you don’t usually have just one

[digital trench]

Yes, because 1 damage soak isn't enough

[untold temple]

man go back and watch season 6 games in propaly. bascialyl always a tank in toplane. poppy was nuts that season fx. had tankko aswell

[digital trench]

(and is easier to ignore)

[untold temple]

but yea adcs were disgustingly strong that season too

caitlyn with the op runaans interaction

[digital trench]

tanks were being played because they were the only worthwhile damage soak and you really needed that with all the DPS from ADCs

Graves was so much worse than Caitlyn that year lmao, the rework made him legit 1v9 material.

[untold temple]

wasnt his build like red smite warrior, PD and DD. just tons od % dmg reduction

[digital trench]

That feels more like season 7 Graves build to me (he was still a problem that season)

[untold temple]

yea oke. tho i just remember that being a main build

[digital trench]

Yea, the S6 ADC items were too cost efficient, especially the AS+crit items, which was part of why it became league of marksmen. Graves rw also meant that he gots tons of free armor from his E in a meta full of physical damage.

Right, Season 7 is when we got League of Drakkthar's because that's items passive was busted (it's when flat armor pen got replaced with lethality)

[digital trench]

well, midyear, v7.14

over the next year, the passive damage went from 105-360 (based on level) all the way down to 30-150, lmao.

[untold temple]

zed just casually oneshotting with w-e-q-aa

[digital trench]

I had fun w/ that meta and started playing high burst divers in bot lane, it was so funny to 1-shot enemy ADC over and over again in lane and then come out of it giga-fed w/ enemy ADC being useless rest of the game.

[zenith blaze]

they have good base damage and are mainly cc. if you get fed on a tank you can 100% carry like any other role

[digital trench]

base damage is insufficient past 20 minutes, they can create opening for their allies to deal the damage, but tanks themselves don't have enough outside of early game.

[untold temple]

tanks themselves cant carry alone. they need their carries to do their job

[ebon minnow]

it isnt tank meta

[blissful dove]

It more like brusier/juggernaut

[ebon minnow]

there's like 4/5 strong tank admist the actual sea of strong champs

[blissful dove]

U have ornn, Malphite , Ksante , zac and Shen

[untold temple]

can throw rammus in there too ig. has been getting nerfed tho

[blissful dove]

Rammus top is niche

Jg he is strong

[untold temple]

o im talking jungle not top

[ebon minnow]

jg tanks would be like zac rammus sejuani

though i dont think rammus is admist the "Strong" folk

[untold temple]

It’s just against heavy attack speed comps really

[ancient phoenix]

sion

[lone gull]

Sion: Needs Lethality full + Death

he is one slow mf with his Q, and if you get hit with his R on medium power, that's on you for not using your headphones

[ancient phoenix]

sion does the most damage consistently because of thornmail and sunfire

[ancient phoenix]

still

sunfire is not hard to proc

[lone gull]

weren't we talking about Oneshots

[ancient phoenix]

you said damage

and sion tank does more damage than lethality

[lone gull]

started in here

[lone gull]

depends on an extended fight or not

[ancient phoenix]

titanic hydra also gives him one shot potential

unironically vs immobile champs and heartsteel

[acoustic gulch]

Where does shen stand among tanks

[ancient phoenix]

Shen is a warden and I’d say he does his job quite well being able to save allies from the brink of death whilst giving them protection from auto attacks as well