light kelp
I found this extremely interesting: Over the last month, the best performing marksman in bot lane, Jinx, has the 21st highest win rate. Yes you read that right, 21st highest, meaning 20 other non-marksman champions are winning bot lane more often than any actual marksman.
https://ibb.co/RhcqVJP
light kelp
Some of them, sure, others are not even that rare (veigar bot lane for instance)
coarse sierra
Yeah and he is being nerfed to the ground upcoming patch
I’ll win twice on yorick adc and he will be on number 1 on this list
light kelp
I’ll win twice on yorick adc and he will be on number 1 on this list
330 games played this month already...
40.61% win rate for reference
On another front, some of these sample sizes are in the thousands, and so statistically relevant even if small % of overall playrate
coarse sierra
I mean you get what i mean right
There is no new meta going on, playrate is just to little.
light kelp
Yea, I wouldn't take Braum's win rate seriously given it's 11 games
If it's winning more often then actual marksmen, it might be better than playing 1 there though, which is interesting.
keen delta
mundo adc was a thing, still is. He literally just runs at adcs and kills them
tight berry
Sion makes sense because it could be senna sion, but idk
frail swallow
hard to say without much PR
tight berry
how to say "im low elo" without saying im low elo
cinder oar
u combined all the games the other 20 champs before her and its not even close to half of jinx games
silver mirage
Kha'Zix is literally listed on there with a 0% pick rate lmao
Like can you at least make something of an attempt at a good faith use of data
Half of those would be listed as 0% if the list rounded to the nearest 10th of a percent.
frail swallow
How tf is there 34 people playing khazix in a duo lane of all things kek
cerulean berry
@frail swallow it's not bad, but next patch ruins it
No more support khazix w abuse
or adc
frail swallow
No more support khazix w abuse
Ohhhh
light kelp
hilarious that you'd say that given that I did take stats and have a math degree. It's the sample size that matters, not the % of total population, and because I used a whole months of games played at plat elo globally, quite a few of those have statistically significant sample sizes. (The proper way to test the hypothesis that x champ is better than y based on this data is a two-sample Student's t-test).
light kelp
sure, Braum's 11 games aren't worth considering, but the 28k of Seraphine are, that's a plenty big enough sample size that the variance isn't going to be that large, small enough that her high win rate is noteworthy. Again pick % isn't important sample size, that is, number of games, is what matters.
And where is your data for this? I doubt it's the main or only reason they are picked
so about 25% of the time it's w/ Senna
sure, that means some people are taking Seraphine bot w/ senna as a strategy
It's hardly the majority of where her WR in bot lane is coming from
Part of that is Senna having a high play rate in the first place
Senna isn't an outlier for win rates w/ those champs though, and the % of the time those champs are with Senna isn't that high for the more common ones.
So the implicit argument that it's pairing those champs with Senna that's driving their high win rates is not supported by the data we have (at least not for the more common ones).
frail swallow
I mean even still besides seraphine and veigar, and karthus which can all be apcs, everything else has no matches
Apcs aren’t bad esp when your team locks in all AD
It’s why they are picked
graceful wraith
kinda odd how much of them have non existant pick rate and nilah is not classified as an adc xd?
light kelp
Nilah is not a marksman. She is a skirmisher, and was designed to be played in bot position.
graceful wraith
she still accomplishes the role of being an adcarry like samira she may not have the range of a general marksman adc but still an adc
keen delta
how to say i failed all my stem courses without telling me you failed all your stem courses
you cant insult someones degree if you do no math to back up your argument, like i agree this thread is absurd but the way you argued is haha look youre stupid im right, at least do the math dude
cloud mortar
plus the dudes not even wrong
ap mages/tanks being played that often with a high wr, even with senna just means that the duo with senna is the new meta
light kelp
she still accomplishes the role of being an adcarry like samira she may not have...
So does Yasuo or Yone and they aren't usually played bot lane (Yasuo's actually not bad at it, though)
cloud mortar
So does Yasuo or Yone and they aren't usually played bot lane (Yasuo's actually ...
yasuo was played bot for a bit tho
tacit osprey
I wanna know more about this zac adc lol
light kelp
I wanna know more about this zac adc lol
Probably AP Zac or some such
tacit osprey
yeah i'd imagine so, but that's got to be duo games, and if so, with who
frail swallow
So does Yasuo or Yone and they aren't usually played bot lane (Yasuo's actually ...
Yasuo has windwall so it’s only semi playable, but you need a knock up support, and actually be good at yas
