#Why do adc players enjoy to throw games so much?

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errant tide
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This is a serious question, ivce noticed from a long time that adc players will do everything in their power to feed as many lanes as possible and refuse to ward. Either challenger or iron, ive played with both extremes and they do the same, why is this? is it just complete and utter ignorance to their surrounding or are adc players just good ad right clicking minions?

chilly patrol
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this is a bit too stereotypical but yeah ADCs feel like the main character so they want people to do things for them

errant tide
untold creek
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Sounds like a rant but adc players are supposed to be the main carry of the team and that can cause them to have main character syndrome so if something doesn't go their way then they will have poor mental. Something else I've noticed is that adc players are focused on csing so they rely on supports to do everything else to help them cs and get ahead but relying on others will always be a coin flip in solo queue

eager goblet
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cant resistE FOWARD! Q FOWARD!

chilly patrol
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i just had a match where we died lvl 1 and lvl 3 giving the enemy adc a 4/0 lead

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we still won cause i outfarmed and rotated for teamfights

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but yeah adc is horrible in that regard it was a caitlyn she did 1800 auto damage if u count headshot and rfc without anything else

polar citrus
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ADCs are in a very strong state in terms of their items and recent buffs they gotten. Issue with adc is though, they aren't 1v9 champs. Normally, junglers would level 2 gank bot and just devote their life to amping their adc. But from experience, low elo junglers do not tend to change their pathing according to the meta. It is basically been the typical full clear route. Which if your bot is getting ganked on or their support is playing bad, there isn't much the adc can do. But ultimately, its their fault for queuing up adc. Nobody picks adc to have fun.

chrome void
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Unfortunately, ADC / Jungle are the 2 HARDEST role to play

ADC = Patience + and support reliant + jungle tracking not to die from ganks + cheeses

Jungle = Macro heavy however S13 Jungle, riot over simplified and became a perma gank all 3 lanes role

polar citrus
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people overestimate an adc capabilities.
an adc will not be able to efficiently peel themselves. Some may have self peeling kits but it isnt enough. Both adc and burst mages are in same route of having little more trouble kiting and self peeling. But easier on burst mages as they have stronger cc and they do burst damage, not damage over time. So an adc will be in battle longer.

errant tide
# polar citrus ADCs are in a very strong state in terms of their items and recent buffs they go...

This is a good argument but i gotta say even tho adcs are very strong as of right now, they rely waaaay too much on everyone to do their jobs. As a jg main, i play champs that cant really gank a lane at 2 minutes into the game and more often than not, my adc has already died atleast once by that time. I dont think the jg has to win their lane becuase it isnt my job, my job is to secure and help as many lanes as possible. I had a game yesterday with a jax, that just wouldnt stop dying to Aatrox, i thought he was gonna call jg diff but instead he kept patient and slowly broke all of top´lane with me and apologized for feeding, we ended up winning that game from his splitpushing, in the other hand, i have adcs that just keep dying and making dumb decisions and will just auto call jg diff, or ones that just refuse to use their wards and die 20 times to the enemy j4 jg. i know i gotta counter gank, but theres only so much i can do when my botlane is level 3 while the enemys is level 6.

chrome void
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^ what he said is true. It may seem easy to play ADC, but alot of variables could mess you up.

  • Support not knowing how to lane + Illegal roam timings
  • Jungle forcing a gank or not helping your lane break freeze
  • Bot lane is the easiest lane to gank
  • Bad match up with no jungle influence just puts you in a bad spot

ADC needs to scale and most importantly survive, just remember that they are glass cannon, even with the correct spacings you cannot survive everytime when all 5 players jump on you and you die in .5 secs

1/14 wukong can 1 shot ADC so theres that spinn

chrome void
errant tide
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-Botlane is the easiest lane to gank. ill call cap on that, even tho its supposed to be easy to gank, most of the time i get left alone mid gank even tho adc and supp are full health and mana, its really weird that they go in when they know enemy jg is there but wont go in when their ally jg is there.

polar citrus
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i mean in general sense, that is logical. But it is just in this current state, since adc became so powerful. They have become a key point into winning the game. It really become snowball early and have the better adc.
It's also not really adc should have their jobs be done by others but to enable them to do what they are meant to do. In low elo especially, players have the concept of "I can do this, so should my adc be able to as well". But each role will have their limits and capabilities.
But there is still of case of the adc player being at fault, they can play safe and farm and avoid fighting. But you still have to note, that in low elo. Players will be more aggressive, they will constantly chase and look for fights even if it is bad. Its really making the best of their choices.

chrome void
errant tide
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Am gonna tell you this much, i lost 9 out of 10 placement games

errant tide
polar citrus
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From experience, let's say even if your decision making was the absolute correct play but your team doesnt follow up. It doesnt mean you just still stick with ur choice. A choice that isnt followed by others becomes the worst choice.

chrome void
errant tide
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And ive been playing a jg that its a beast to splitpush but theres only so much macro i can do before getting chased down by the whole enemy team everytime i appear on the map lol

polar citrus
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i tend to refrain from split pushing due to not really being coin flip in low elo. Split push is relying on ur teammates knowing how to utilize it

chrome void
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^ if you are otp and split pushing is wincon, have to tell your team to draft around that lol and judging from split pushing, you need to full clear everytime. you cannot blame your team at that point, have to adapt to what is going on

polar citrus
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i mean i wouldnt have ur team to draft around anything

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even if comp wise, its terrible. its still best for players to play their best champs.

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people who pick around others and say they can play anything, or people who pick to counter, or people who pick according to meta will always fall short and probably wont able to climb.

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low elo is to explore what your like that spamming it till u have mastered it or able to effectively play it. Even if it is in a terrible state.

chrome void
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I actually highly suggest just learning what the all champs does, then more of learning how to game works, how to correctly play the game. Its not bad to have a good champ pool, i think its bad if youre jumping from one role to another. Champion mastery can only get you so far 👍

That aside, since we are talking about low elo, it seems its not just bot lane whos the problem. I hope it clarifies how the meta works right now and what the ADC needs not wants. Alot easier to blame on JG and ADC coz of obvious reasons

shy kayak
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as a top lane split god, I really really really hate how many games I lose because bot is 0-12

tepid cobalt
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bcuz you are calling them "attack damage CARRY". they think they need to carry. and if they cannot they give up

shy kayak
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the original term was used in the manner that everyone had to carry them to do damage later on

covert crag
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Adc can’t play that’s why no offense

elder kindle
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not just adc - bc its fun

hollow aurora
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you didn’t know? full zeal + mobis are a new korean build

gleaming aspen
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just reading from the title i could tell you were a jgl main

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fact is adcs have pretty poor control over the game, not to say no impact, but if theyre being set up 3 or 4 man dives bot, its a bigger missplay to not counter said ganks than it is to get caught in them, adcs literally can not ward in the places that will stop e.g, mid roams from turning into 3v2 dives

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example: for botlane blueside, if enemy mid is roaming, you need to ward top of redside brush (towards river), a tribrush ward is NOT enough, and by the time enemy mid is there, you can not leave turret or the enemy mid just kills you, the only counterplay is a countergank by jgler, mid, or a ward by mid, or jgl, by red brush

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if theyre just perma 2v2ing ofc and dying thats a different story, and no nothing can save that, same as nothing can save you if your top goes in and dies 5 times in a row solo or whatever, happens, go next, however if theyre being harassed under turret into dives or lane frozen then again the best you can do is go for countergank as the enemy inevitably goes 2v2 deep

stable warren
vale turtle
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this just feels like a rant

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like you're probably half the reason why im not getting peel despite being 20/10

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i love playing adc but people like you are the reason why im not getting zekes on me

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we get shit on for not carrying despite getting 0 peel

vale turtle
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you had no damage and you are too squishy

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what you got to do as adc when behind is just farm and pray that your team peels for you, which chances are close to 0

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just this preconceived notion that adc is some magical role that is super strong and can carry solo is just horribly wrong

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like ive seen so many posts about "adc being too strong" or shit like that.
however, counter point. I have been told i have the mechanics to get to gold, but i have not been able to get to gold through 2 seasons

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if adc really was this strong i would aready be in gold, but im struggling to carry games in silver please explain to me again how adc is some magical super strong role

west wind
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yeah this is just the typical 'X role i don't play are all idiots' because the OP of this thread just lost a game / few games via an adc

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i could just replace the word 'adc' with 'top' and it'd ring a lot truer for me

vale turtle
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not even that they assume adc is just like some super strong role

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like its not it literally got buffed because before durability patch. adc was about to be replaced

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marksmen were so bad that apc was literally better in all aspects at all points of the game

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and its still not strong. its just at a spot where I can play it but its not even a good role.

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If i get a 100 cs lead in any other role besides support it is literally gg

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but as adc I can barely do shit with it cus i am getting NO PEEL

west wind
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nah adc is strong rn but the frustrating part of playing the role is that your ability to get ahead / carry and 'enable' your power isn't in your control as the ad player - you are reliant on which jungler understands the meta of 'gank botlane asap', and if you get the support gap or not

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adc isn't weak, it's just a frustrating role because you are heavily team reliant

vale turtle
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adc isent strong support and jungle are strong

west wind
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support and jungle are 'strong' because they decide which adc gets ahead

vale turtle
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like another example is this game: https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/obeanbagpuppyo/matches/9_v7BICc5yzwDiCy_bgUuvjBVUp6fcJ---InLEBUZCY%3D/1678157245000
im 25/13. Im dying cus i have no peel and i have to sell my boots for ga so i can survive for more than 5 seconds. my rakan is leaving my side to peel for my nid and even is giving the zekes to the jungle.

OP.GG
oBeanBagPuppyo - Summoner Stats - League of Legends

oBeanBagPuppyo / Silver 1 9LP / 40Win 31Lose Win Rate 56% / Kai'Sa - 11Win 8Lose Win Rate 58%, Brand - 9Win 5Lose Win Rate 64%, Jhin - 4Win 3Lose Win Rate 57%, Twitch - 3Win 1Lose Win Rate 75%, Taric - 3Win 1Lose Win Rate 75%

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you can not justify adc being a strong role when they have 0 agency in game

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this is true until high elo

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but over 90% of the player base is not in high elo or pro play

west wind
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'agency' and 'strength' are different things - adc when played in an optimal environment by competent players is gigabusted; i don't think using silver games as an example of anything because, yeah, people in low elo don't play around their adc (which is an incorrect way of playing the game rn)

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i'm typing all of this as a diamond adc main

vale turtle
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yeah optimally when getting peel and things

west wind
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adc isn't a weak role by any stretch - it's just frustrating because your strength is reliant upon others to enable you to perform as your role

vale turtle
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but over 90% of the time you dont get any peel and you get 100-0 by a tank

west wind
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but that's also part of the skillset required as an adc to climb: being able to mitigate and perform when your team are drooling clowns

vale turtle
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yeah that makes sense, logically if i maintain an above 50% wr i should climb right?

west wind
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if you perform like you did in your xayah game consistently you'd probs climb fast

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sometimes you just get unlucky asf games

vale turtle
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the xayah game was only possible cus i was significantly better than the enemy bot lane

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to the extent where i could carry my support to a winning lane

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and snowballing the lane but when the rest of your team is inting theres very little you can do to turn it around

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cus they are to tilted to play for you

west wind
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those sorts of games don't stop happening in any elo; i had a game semi-recently where i was winning lane or something on mf but my topside were all losing hard and were 1-6

vale turtle
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i just had 3 games in a row where i either kept even with the enemy adc or was winning

west wind
vale turtle
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but i didnt win a single one

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actually counting yesterday it would be 4 games in a row where I coulden't carry

west wind
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can't carry every game king it's like 40% autowin 40% autoloss maybe 20% that you can impact

vale turtle
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i currently have a 58% wr

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or 56% now but im losing more lp than im gaining

west wind
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your stats look fine on champs like kai'sa and stuff and you're on 56% winrate so far according to op.gg so you'll probs get to gold if you just play out the games

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yeah mmr moves slower than lp especially after the increased lp gains change - and it's mmr that dictates your + and -

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continue winning more than you lose and lp will normalise

vale turtle
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how many games would that take

west wind
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probs 50ish idk

vale turtle
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50ish to normalize, so it would take me like over 200 games to get plat assuming i maintain over a 50% wr?

west wind
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depends on how fast you improve as a player, because you'll probably start to plateau around gold 2/3 if you maintain your current skill level

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the higher your mmr becomes = harder enemies = you'll eventually be sitting on 50% winrate

vale turtle
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mmr is so stupid

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so im prob around the level of gold 2/3 but im stuck at sil 1?

west wind
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well the entire point of matchmaking is to give you evenly matched games

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well you're 56% winrate silver 1, you're 'stuck' because you've honestly not played that many game so far

vale turtle
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i played 200 games in silver 1 preseason

west wind
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if you played enough you'd get to gold eventually on that w/r

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if you can't get to gold on a large number of games your skill level is probably silver 1, then

vale turtle
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it was with a positive wr

west wind
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what was the w/r

vale turtle
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i dont remember

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I was messing around mostly in preseason

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at best it was prob 52 51

kindred vigil
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And then when the miracle happens and they don’y feed but actually end up winning lane, they run melee range into 4 people and die because they need to go for the gosu montage plays

west wind
west wind
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so how is it a 'miracle' if there's a 50% chance your ADC doesn't feed lol

kindred vigil
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I wish I had an answer to that, 9/10 games botlane goes 1/14

west wind
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you remember the bad games more than the good ones, king

kindred vigil
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Seen the funny 3/35 in D2, and other similar stats

west wind
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i could probs rage about my toplaner going 0-7 and won't stop fighting every game despite being behind

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but it wouldn't make any statistical sense

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west wind
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is riot specifically putting the dogshit ADCs on your team only?

kindred vigil
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That’s not what I said, but statistically speaking the worst performing players in my games and elo happen to be botlaners

west wind
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what's your role?

kindred vigil
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They also happen to be the ones that listen to pings the least and have tendencies to run into danger knowing there’s danger

west wind
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you're also not speaking 'statistically' my king you're speaking completely anecdotally

kindred vigil
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Jungler since season 6

west wind
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why is the other adc popping off i wonder

kindred vigil
west wind
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yeah and my junglers are complete jokes as well

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unironically the most boosted players on my team in most games

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(((((((((((((((((((i don't believe that btw i'm just showing u how easy it is to just type nonsense anecdotal statements like that)))))))))))))

kindred vigil
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Always funny when you are top river fighting enemy jungler and your botlane says “Jgl diff, enemy jgl was bot and we died”

west wind
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doubtful anybody in diamond elo is typing that the enemy jgl ganked them when he's obviously top

kindred vigil
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west wind
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idk that sounds more like toplaners to me

untold creek
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Right now whichever team has the winning botlane will win so there will always be an adc who's like 10/0 and an adc who's 0/10

west wind
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ppl seriously don't understand the struggles of botlane

untold creek
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Adc as a role is strong rn but it lacks agency

west wind
untold creek
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If they are supported then they will carry as long as they have more than 1 braincell which most don't

west wind
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support player saying that....................

untold creek
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Well ye supports will have the most experience of dealing with brainless adcs

west wind
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i think the rhetoric of 'X role is full of idiots' is genuinely a 0 IQ, exhaling braincells take - it's easy to despise other roles because they're always the ones inting you or stopping you from winning

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but if you main X role, because of the fact that you are playing it, you are never exposed to the specimens of that role being on your team

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so it just becomes complete confirmation bias

untold creek
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For me it's cause I have to deal with a bunch of adc mains who think they are challenger level and have a huge ego

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There are definitely adc mains who are more than competent at the role but those don't come often

west wind
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yeah and the alternate reality you is probably saying they've had to deal with a bunch of mouthbreathing SUP mains

kindred vigil
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I have played on both sides, since I have a vast amount of accounts, there’s indeed stupid junglers out there but I haven’t experienced as many bad junglers as I have bad adcs (even in winning games)

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I was one of those bad adcs too, still am

west wind
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yeah i've also played support and adc extensively and, damn, i've seen a lot more stupid supports than adcs

kindred vigil
untold creek
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When I mained adc in the past supports weren't nearly as bad as the adcs I've dealt with

west wind
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i'm utterly rolling my eyes at this L rhetoric

untold creek
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It's probably because support players tend to be more supportive which means less toxicity while adc mains expect to be supported by their team which can lead to them getting an ego

kindred vigil
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We roll our eyes seeing adcs run into 3+ people for the montage plays. It is what it is

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Everyone rolling their eyes

west wind
kindred vigil
west wind
untold creek
west wind
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(((((((((don't believe that btw but that's basically the sort of shit you're saying))))

untold creek
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It's harder to climb on supports cause you rely on your team to carry you which will inevitably be a coinflip in soloq

west wind
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'it's harder to climb on supports' LOL

kindred vigil
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Nah

untold creek
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I'll also say that it's also hard to climb on adc cause of it's team reliant nature

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Botlane is just harder to climb on than other lanes or jg cause it requires teamwork which is hard to do with 4 random players

west wind
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yeah i don't disagree the role is incredibly reliant on what your support / jgl do and pick

kindred vigil
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I’d say toplane is much harder to climb on because if you are slightly worse you are doomed

west wind
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and a lot of the skill in being an adc is reacting and mitigating potential gaps in those teammates

untold creek
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Toplane is about matchups and skill which is something you can overcome while it's harder to overcome the obstacle of getting your team to work together

kindred vigil
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Nothing close to it being the hardest. As long as you have more gold coming in you are fine unless you go ooga booga

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Support even better because the gold part isn’t even an issue

west wind
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the problem w/ adc in soloq is that while every role has to deal with counterpicks and their team, the adc is just hypereliant in comparison because you don't get to decide what your support will play as well

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and often your support will sometimes just counterpick themselves

kindred vigil
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You can be 5 levels down on someome as nautilus, if you cc them during a gank, chances are they will die. Other roles don’t get this benefit

west wind
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or pick a champ that doesn't synergise with your pick

untold creek
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If the support's champ doesn't have synergy with your pick then adapt

west wind
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it's why i despise picking before my support now tbqh

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i will always try to pick the best champ w/ my support's pick

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of my champion pool

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but i can't control or expect my support to do the same

kindred vigil
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Unless you’re really high elo, I don’t think it’s necessary

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Because up there it’s a must or you lose

west wind
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i think it's absolutely necessary in diamond, where i'm @ - but i still get sona picks with my samira

untold creek
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Wait till level 6 and then kill them

west wind
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at least if i know i'm getting a sona i can pick accordingly

kindred vigil
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If adc and supports are otps, but their champs don’t synergise in let’s say gold elo. It makes no difference

west wind
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because obviously you have to 'adapt' and play the best u can regardless of ur lane duo's pick, but the game starts in champ select and picking a champ that doesn't fit the draft is, in my eyes, as bad as just running in a kill

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you should be playing to win from second 1 of draft, and if you're an otp at least hover your champ and be willing to swap

kindred vigil
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Yet, OTPs exist. Pick X champ regardless

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Unless champ is banned

west wind
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i would banish all OTPs to the shadow realm

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but as i said there's ways to make them less annoying; at least hover so i know what i'm dealing with

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a lot of the time they don't lol and will just drop the sona on my samira

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and then when your sona pick into blitzcrank doesn't work out, as expected, donkeys will make threads like this going 'wtf my adc got owned in lane'

vale turtle
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idk bro its kinda hard to win when your mid picks akshan into a zed

potent geode
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You deserve to stay in iron

vale turtle
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me?

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im not even in iron rn