#Why is it acceptable for top lane to be trolled or ignored

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cloud seal
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can anyone give me one good reason for top lane to get ignored every single game, and never ganked or why its acceptable for top to get inted?

unkempt drum
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I'm not sure about acceptable for inting, but the main reason why Top is ignored is because of the idea that the jungler can punish you for going top. This could mean counter jungle or getting Drag.

It is a 50/50 chance your gank will be a successful gank (unless it's guaranteed) and showing on the minimap top will lose you valuable time. The only reason you should be ganking top is either

-There is nothing else to do and you are already top side
-Herald
-Can not be punished by their jungler
-Tenting the only winning lane

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There is a reason why pro play focus mainly more on Mid and Bot side, unless Top sided is needed to help. They are more likely to carry than top. Unless you know your top laner is smurfing or really good, then again there is no point of ganking them a ton, gank other lanes that have a stronger carry potential

cloud seal
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theres no 50/50 chance a gank will work. if you cant identify lane states maybe you arent the one to be talking on this

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there is absolutely no reason to ignore top lane completely

unkempt drum
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Seems like you're mad over someone not ganking your lane, that's cute. But I'm obviously giving ideas on why top lane is ignored.

If you want to be a little brat about it, suit yourself ahriHeart

cloud seal
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i asked for reasons for top to be completely ignored and you didnt give any so you are wasting my time

elder delta
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If toplane is lost focus on other lanes, if your laner doesn't allow you to gank then don't waste time ganking them, if you're gonna get drake then why gank top when you can gank mid or bot to get 1 or 2 kills and quickly rotate to drake

cloud seal
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thisnt isnt an if top lane is losing, im not braindead. i know you dont gank the losing lane

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you ignored what i said earlier anyways, just path top pre drake spawn or inbetween timers

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why are you trying to justify trolling your top laner with all these "what ifs" when you can just right click the lane early

unkempt drum
floral wing
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It's mainly simply because of current meta; jungle right now works in a way where level 2 ganks are pretty common; pathing towards bot early is common therefore your jungle usually has to counter-gank JUST to keep your chances of winning the game somewhat viable.

tawny timber
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I feel like its just a you problem

unkempt drum
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If you need ganks to win lane, im sorry, you're just bad

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Be like Faker, gets camped and still win lane

floral wing
elder delta
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Ganking bot can get you 2 kills and drake, ganking mid allows mid to get tower plates or tower and allows them to roam, meanwhile ganking top can get you a kill, tier 1 tower, and herald but aside from herald, ganking the other lanes can also get you a kill or two and a tier 1 tower

floral wing
tawny timber
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Unless laning phase is already over

floral wing
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Opening up mid tower brings huge pressure on both bot & top which is why ganking mid is a big thing.

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Breaking down T1 top does add a lot of pressure but not as much as mid tower does.

floral wing
elder delta
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So basically ganking mid or bot gives more reward than ganking top

floral wing
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Yep.

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Ganking mid; getting mid prio gives your jungle control over the enemy jungler, rift & means you can 4man roam on bot easier.

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Jungle is a busted role in which whoever lvl 2 ganks first usually wins the lane & game for their team. And it's really as simple as that atm.

cloud seal
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not a single one of you has given me a good reason to never ever gank top

floral wing
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Top doesn't have as much potential as bot. There you go.

elder delta
cloud seal
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tahts not a reason to never gank

unkempt drum
safe void
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Personally i think helping the top lane is a good thing cause it gives them a breather to potentially even help out other lanes

floral wing
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Yes it is. a 10/0 jinx has much higher carry potential than a 10/0 any top laner.

unkempt drum
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OP is the most sane top lane main

lofty mural
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they’re just mad cuse they lost lane and are blaming it on the jungler prolly

tawny timber
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Skill issue + brain gap in the top lane

floral wing
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The thing about top lane is you want to take on thebausffs mental.

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Invite pressure; bring the jungle/mid to your lane. If it means y our mid gets free platings / a roam on bot it's always worth it

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Top is a great role at drawing pressure. Imo no one draws as much pressure as top laners do. If you're constantly forcing their jungle to deal with you. You're most likely going to have a 23m free soul.

lofty mural
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all you gotta do is bring both the jg and the opponent midlaner to you and not die

cloud seal
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im not asking for the silvers to give me a crash course on top lane i want one reason why you would never gank top in any game

floral wing
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Because top is fucking garbage in terms of carry potential. Rift is not as effective as dragon soul.

cloud seal
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turret plating gold???? hello?

floral wing
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That means NOTHING

lofty mural
elder delta
unkempt drum
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We just said a bunch of reasonings

floral wing
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Turret plating, jungle control & dragon control all comes from mid/bot side of the map; not top.

safe void
floral wing
unkempt drum
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OP is just an Ego top lane player that always wants to carry the game and never wants to be carried themselves lmfao

cloud seal
elder delta
lofty mural
safe void
unkempt drum
floral wing
unkempt drum
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A fed ADC is more scary than a fed top lane

lofty mural
floral wing
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Than you switch top & bot lane when baron spawns & if thier jungle decides to go back to helping the top lane the moment he shows bot side you take a free baron. It's a pretty simple game.

lofty mural
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like taking drake uncontested for example

safe void
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everytime i get bot lane ahead, they tend to throw their lead harder than a top laner would-Sincerely a Tf main

lofty mural
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or ganking other lanes

floral wing
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Doesn't matter; if you're looking at League overall and not your own experiences than your jungle focusing bot side of the map is much more effective than him focusing top side.

safe void
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i swear no matter how much i help bot lane they end up squabbling until they lose their lead

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i think its okay to give SOME attention to top lane just dont abandon it completely

floral wing
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If you go top & lose dragon for it it's never worth.

cloud seal
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why are you all in frenzy for me saying gank top early

safe void
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nobodys taking dragon at lvl 3-4

floral wing
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Yes they do.

cloud seal
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literally no they're not

elder delta
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Yes they do

unkempt drum
floral wing
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Than you're playing in silver.

safe void
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maybe Ww early or maybe lee sin sneaking one but i dont see it happening that often

elder delta
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Even in bronze there are games where we take drake level 3-4

unkempt drum
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Thats just elo issue

safe void
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i dont even see people punishing that shit in diaKEKW

cloud seal
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if you as a jungler are level 3 at 5 mintues, you're griefing

floral wing
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That's so fucking wrong lmfao ^

safe void
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ok mr grandmaster chally player

floral wing
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If you're a jungler and level 3 but have 5 assists and your bot lane is 5/0 you've most likely won the game for your team.

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If you're power-farming & you're level 3 than you're trolling. If you're spam-ganking & not letting their team play the game it's a different story.

safe void
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things also go wrong very fast bot lane

lofty mural
cloud seal
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apparently saying theres 0 reason to not gank top early is like throwing a renata ult in the chat

lofty mural
floral wing
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Link your op.gg ddtrox. Let's see what happened in your games for you to be this mad about jungle focusing on better lanes.

cloud seal
floral wing
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Thought so I was on the right account.

Because if I'm not mistaken & I'm looking at your op.gg right now you've had games with 3 KP where your jungles obviously perma-camped mid/bot that you've won & a lot of the games you've lost are simply because your jungler is 0/0/3 while the other jng has 0/0/10 and the other bot is 10/0. Which just goes to show how strong camping mid/bot actually is.

cloud seal
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please tell me it was my fault that my bot lane had 25 deaths

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ggive me ur infinite wisdom

floral wing
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there's differences in one-off games. The majority of your wins/losses is simply coinflipping jungler to see who gets bot ahead the furthest.

elder delta
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There's games where you die a lot so don't do that

floral wing
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If you look at one off games as your overall sample size. There's a game where you hard inted panth support & people could argue you're the reason the team lost.

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You can look at every single game & the passive jungler is usually on the losing side of atleast 70% of the games in your op.gg. The one that gets bot ahead is usually on the winning side.

cloud seal
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me trolling by playing a new champ in ranked in preseason has nothing to do with what im talking about

floral wing
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Than you have no right to use your last game as your sample size for 25 deaths.

cloud seal
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okay then dont use it as proof that its my fault?

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talking to a brick wall, i swear to god

floral wing
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So you're the classic ego top laner who just wants to blame everyone else. That's what most of us have gathered.
You refuse to accept any reasoning.

cloud seal
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so whats your reason for literally never stepping foot in top lane at any point in the match no matter what

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cause you seem to, like, not understand the question

floral wing
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Pretty sure we've all said about 15x but you refuse to read any of them. The only brick wall here unfortunately is you.

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Pointless talking to you. You only read 1/2 and take shit off-topic. Toxic ego top lane who thinks the game revolves around his lane & nothing else.

elder delta
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What point?

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There are definitely reasons to gank top

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The issue is that when you are given reasons to not gank top you ignore them

tawny bridge
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Every time this guy posts or types, it’s always him complaining about his jungler zzz.

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Whether it’s in League chat or here, he is just perma complaining about jungle.

tawny timber
tawny bridge
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Bro got the short end of the roles and chooses to perma cry about his jungler like mids do, or adcs do, or supports do.

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Not popping off with broken champions.

elder delta
tawny timber
tawny bridge
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I mean idk, maybe learn weakside strong side and how your champs work?

tawny timber
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Clearly proving why you should never be ganked

tawny bridge
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You weakside Aatrox leve 1-3 because he’s not exactly Op, and KSante is a tank that outscales most champs in the mid game.

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A tank that needs no resources and can be permaweaksided.

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It’s like complaining about Gragas not getting ganks.

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Because Aatrox loses priority in most match ups level 1-3, and spikes at 4?

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If any jungler is smart, and Aatrox has no priory, I’m invading you.

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Hmm, 1000 Lp Challenger Aatrox one trick or D2 guy who sucks at Aatrox. I wonder if you are Better than Naayil and XCm.

tawny timber
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3/7

elder delta
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If he loses lane

tawny bridge
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Surely you are better than Naayil, 1000 LP Aatrox one trick on EUW who literally says Aatrox is nothing level 1-3.

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He literally loses prio to most match ups except Nasus and Kayle level 1-3.

tawny timber
tawny bridge
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So let’s see, 1000 Lp EUW CHALLENGER AATROX OTP or D2 leaker?

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Kinda hard decision honesty.

tawny timber
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But ganking bot lane earlier is more value

tawny bridge
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Please watch Naayil’s 1000 Lp guide on Aatrox and why he loses prio in most match ups.

tawny timber
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No cant

tawny bridge
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Aatrox loses in most matchups level 1-3, and he is not a champ on 2v2s.

tawny timber
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Start topside and path bot lane

tawny bridge
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Biznez, don’t, he has 0 understanding of the game.

tawny timber
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It is a waste of time

tawny bridge
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Wow, let’s see, 1000 Lp challenger Aatrox one trick for 3 SEASONS.

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Or your D2 opinion.

tawny timber
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If gank fails than its wasted like a full minute and in that time enemy jungle wins bot

tawny bridge
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@tawny timber Biznez, who is a better player?

tawny timber
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If gank succeeds enemy jungle wins bit anyways and you still lose

tawny bridge
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No? Have you seen Aatrox in the hands of normal people bs other normal OTPs?

tawny timber
tawny bridge
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Also, maybe you should learn the concept of strong side weakside.

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Cookielol goes into depth about this.

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The game is more than just top and your jungler: it’s 5 separate lanes with 5 separate roles.

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If your jungler is pathing away, and enemy jungler is pathing top, either hold wave near tower or crash/cheater so you don’t just int free kills.

tawny timber
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D2 peaker your bad

tawny bridge
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Winrate has no correlation with understanding basic macro.

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He’s a toplaner though, so probably not. Top laners are notoriously bad at having basic thinking skills and macro sense.

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And yet you still don’t understand ss ws concept. Shows how elo inflated Aatrox is for you.

safe void
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Ddtrox they are probably gm or challysadcatThumb

tawny bridge
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Perhaps watch better players when they talk about basic macro or concepts?

tawny timber
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I am current rank 1 in korea

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Minor ego issue sootted

tawny bridge
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Yeah; probably, I’m pissstuck in Mickeymouse low.

safe void
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i remember seeing ddtrox being bbtrox like 4 years ago so hes been a high dia low master aatrox main for ages

tawny bridge
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I’m Autolykus low.

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That literally says you peaked D1.

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Bottoms one peaks Master, but top one Peaks D1.

tawny timber
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You ended season d2

tawny bridge
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Except it doesn’t matter? I made Masters, dropped to D2, but my account still says Master.

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It records peak and ending that’s the whole point of that site.

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Except if it hit Masters, it would List it as Masters Peak. Literally my account was Masters Peak and dropped to D2, but I’m still Listed as S12 Master.

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Bro is just changing topics.

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Can’t accept criticism, can’t accept that he makes mistakes, can’t accept that he is not the main character of the story.

tawny timber
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Ok now we have reached the personal insults phase

tawny bridge
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For sure, I met both of my parents that love me? Can you relate?

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Wow, so 2 1000 Lp challengers in 2 separate role in EUW are braindead?

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CookieLoL and Naayil will NOT be happy about this.

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How dare they, 1000 LP challengers ok EUW on both adc and top, be wrong vs your D2 skills?

tawny timber
tawny bridge
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It’s like every other player understands basic macro and SS WS.

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If you’re weakside, play your lane accordingly? It’s not hard. You don’t have to like it, but you adapt to what you’re given, as jungle does, as adc does, as support does.

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You’re not special with your role, and you don’t see anything from adcs crying about being weakside? Or even not perma camped?

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Top laner ego coming from legit elo inflation is insanity.

tawny timber
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Hes ingame rn

tawny bridge
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Cry more about jungle is useless and top is unplayable without jungle assistance; I’m sure Naayil and other EUW challengers will change their mindsets and macro for a D2 elo inflated leaker.

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Biznez, so you see this? He insults me the entire time; I give him multiple examples of how to play and macro from 1000 Lp players, and he thinks I’m insulting him::: you can’t make this shit up xddddd.

tawny timber
elder delta
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Wow the hypocrisy is insane

tawny bridge
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Do you see this shit? You literally cannot help these players.

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I tell him how to play weakside, and he thinks I’m insulting him when he thinks I’m a FAS baby lol.

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Are you schizophrenic? That was the first jungler you talked; not me. Second, I didn’t even type anything toxic until you called me a FAS baby; I was literally giving you advice on how top (good) players play the game in your predicament.

elder delta
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Dude you're gonna have to get better at gaslighting

tawny bridge
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This dude’s mom dropped him on his head more than a couple dozen times.

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You have a Cyberpunk pfp, why are you typing?

elder delta
tawny bridge
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Then why comment on it?

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? Cyberpunk pfp. Nothing more to be said.

elder delta
tawny timber
tawny bridge
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When will people understand that they aren’t the main character of the story? Junglers don’t get to do it, even if they should be, neither do adcs.

elder delta
tawny timber
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If thats considered a insult your soft

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🎣

tawny bridge
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Especially since it’s actually true; not understanding Weakside Strongside as a concept is insane.

elder delta
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@wary isle don't say that shit

tawny timber
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This is a fucking reddit discord

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I gaurentee you also use reddit as well

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Now you will deny it to save face

wary isle
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And also u play support

elder delta
wary isle
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And nothing is wrong with playing support

tawny bridge
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What did he type?

elder delta
tawny bridge
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LOL.

wary isle
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I apologized already

tawny bridge
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MAN IS CONTENT.

tawny timber
tawny bridge
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I guarantee you, if I watched his games, I could tell you exactly when he died and where enemy jungler is.

tawny timber
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I will feel cool 😎

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Because i proved you are predictable 😎
Which is why you lose lane (enemy already knows what you do)😎

tawny bridge
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It’s okay, he’ll be Master peak for another 6 years and stop to D4 when Aatrox is nerfed.

tawny timber
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Oh he block me too

tawny bridge
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He has mental illness; just leave him alone.

elder delta
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Wait did op get deleted from the server?

tawny bridge
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LOL.

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He deleted his last 7 posts so he doesn’t look like the bad guy zzz.

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He deleted them, but he also unfollowed his own thread.

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@cloud seal

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He’s listed as top and Na, but isn’t in this server.

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A moderator or someone deleted both of our texts zzz. Looks like they didn’t like what I had to say.

umbral oracle
tawny timber
candid shale
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Ddtrox is complaining because his champ is getting nerfed, ignore this blatant cope-post

obsidian ravine
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Dudes just mad he got shat on in solo q

candid shale
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Typical Trox main mental

keen burrow
safe void
candid shale
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Some junglers can take drags pretty damn early.

Vi is really good at it.

keen burrow
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Either way, dude deleted his messages so it’s hard to understand how that convo between OP, biz, shrek and fanta went

candid shale
keen burrow
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But yeah pretty clear dude was just an elo inflated toplaner who in his head believed he made it to the rank he is in because he is insane at the game. When in reality he does not even know very general basics that everyone should know

candid shale
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Guy muted me like a week after I joined because I, surprise surprise, called him on his BS.

candid shale
split saffron
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The fact you play all these elo inflated 1v2 champs that don’t need ganks unless you’re garbage 💀 cope harder

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If you get ganked you can 1v2 no problem as well as draw pressure to top lane since no one can 1v1 a decent bruiser player especially Aatrox and Morde

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Sounds like a you problem ngl

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Pick up another lane

obsidian ravine
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Fast clearing junglers can take Drake easily

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Kindred vi graves Viego comes to mind

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And they can do it while taking very little damage

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Same for herald

tawny timber
unkempt drum
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Nahhhhhh he is a D2 player

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I cant believe that

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Welp, thats all I need to see, Im not trying revive this shit post

rapid aurora
ionic basalt
unkempt drum
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He left, don't waste your time on this post

calm locust
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Honestly because Bot lane snowballs harder and has drake control as a win-con. Bot lane when people die you get 2x as much gold distributed for assists and a bigger xp disparity. This is why most games even in professional play focus on bot lane. Sure you can carry through top lane but bot lane is the safer choice.

ionic basalt
tawny bridge
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in sorry but the way this convo was shutdown is funny asf

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Cause fun fact, he complained about this before, like 2 weeks ago or so, and KEPT SAYING THE SAME THING

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just in league chat tho, not threads

timber harbor
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Grow up Albert Fudd

tawny timber
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Can we stop reviving this thread

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The dumbass creator of this thread is not even in the server no more

candid shale
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Honestly good riddance, he was kind of a prick.

stoic cave
timid horizon
molten silo
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top is useless role

summer raptor
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Top is only for the true Alpha chads, who need no gank, can 1 vs 2 and will win you games even if he was behind early.

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if you want ganks just play other lanes or get a duo to play to your liking.

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i played thousands of gold games and what i saw in common in winning games is that
1.the top never complains.
2. never asks for ganks,
3.if he gets ganked he either 1vs2 it or
4. he says the jgl to counter jgl or do drakes.
5.if behind, he plays safe,
6. then late game he plays with team to contest drake
7. or he splits push.
8. GG 5honors. chad

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All though the creator of this little question aint here no more, this is for all who are/want to main top lane.

tawny timber
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Why do we keep responding to this thread when the creator off it left (he took the L)

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Can like a moderator delete thid thread or smth idk 😶

broken yacht
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Cope

woven storm