Hello. I am hard stuck and I want to ask for some help..

[hazy oak]

you should get a new account and play on that or you have to suffer in iron for a decently long time

[elfin sierra]

uh what

i need to see opgg i refuse to believe anyone that isnt intentionally trying to derank can hit iron 4

[sly void]

u didn't really get what i meant

[elfin sierra]

what did u mean

[sly void]

so
when I got level 30 and

I played ranked

like without caring about my care

I got to iron 4
then I started caring and got to bronze again
and then went down to iron 1 then didn't care and went to iron 2 and then I stopped playing and now I wanted tips for new season

so I won't make mistakes and stuff
idk if u get it im not really good at explaining

[elfin sierra]

yeah so i didnt misunderstand anything lol

im saying like even if you didnt care as long as you werent purposely trying to lose hitting iron 4 is extrmeely hard

[sly void]

ahh mb

well I just didn't know how to play at all

like barely
I first tried like riven and a lot of other shit in ranked

[elfin sierra]

can i still see your opgg

[sly void]

sure but in some games I troll and some of my recent games were with plays and shit but sure

I don't want u to thing I'm saying that just to cover my bad games tho don't get me wrong pls 💀

Daisy Danger

[elfin sierra]

its fine we all have bad times

[sly void]

this is it

[elfin sierra]

ok my biggest issue is that you dont play ranked

so idk how you're gonna rank up

[sly void]

I heard I should play ranked pre season so yeah

SHOULDNT***

[elfin sierra]

it doesnt really matter

your cs is relaly bad

thats kinda it though just play ranked and you'll climb to like silver

also less kayn

[sly void]

yeah I know about that but I was terrible at him and still played like and idiot and lost

[sly void]

now I'm better at him I promise

also about cs how do I fix that? do I just play and that's it

[elfin sierra]

farm more

idk how else you would fix low cs other than killing more cs

[sharp crane]

other than constantly pressing tab, use an external app to track ur cs, and compare it to others in your elo and others in a higher elo

[elfin sierra]

yeah go ahead and dont do this

im constantly hitting masters level cs per min and i can tell you i am never hitting masters

[sly void]

well no its not that it's me missing minions

[elfin sierra]

just farm more

[sharp crane]

its just a way to improve cs, obviously cs alone cant get u to gm

[elfin sierra]

if you're not doing anything and theres a wave top, go grab it

[sly void]

alright

thanks :}

[sly void]

also that will make me worried as fuck about csing

like it will press on me idk if u know what i mean

[sharp crane]

u need to be able to time ur attacks, all champs have specific attack speeds so u need to be able to time when and which minions to attack when laning

[sharp crane]

to me thats a good thing cause it pressures u to improve, i had terrible cs and kept letting enemy laner get a gold advantage making it hard to play the game

[pearl fjord]

if you can login to discord without any problem it is impossible to be iron 4 with a functioning brain

[sly void]

im not iron 4

[elfin sierra]

just play a ranked game and lmk how it goes

[sly void]

i will see

[sly void]

alright BUT i have a little problem idk if u read what i said but the champion shit is the problem

i dont know who like i dont at all

[elfin sierra]

thats not a big issue

just keep playing it doesnt really matter who you play when you're in iron

[sly void]

alright :D

i would adc but im scared of getting a bad one

[elfin sierra]

what type of champion are you looking for

[sly void]

support i mean

[sly void]

someone i can 1v9 with lmfao

[elfin sierra]

hecarims strong rn

[sly void]

hm

thats a great idea tbh

i will see but im not good at heca i have like 2 matches with him

altough i got 2 quadras with him B)

[elfin sierra]

typically when you want to 1v9 low elo you play snowballers not scalers

[sly void]

oh

i have a lot of scalers games in ranke d

i think

[sly void]

hmm

who else besides heca cause i dont wanna go just heca i need more

[elfin sierra]

what lane

[sly void]

jg and top

adc too? but idk if there are snowballers there

[elfin sierra]

for top jsut lane bullies

jg has champs like eve and noc where you just perma gank

sorry my replies are gonna be really im in middle of game

[sly void]

dwdw idm

[sly void]

can u even 1v9 as eve?

[wanton jetty]

do we even have an opgg for this dude?

like lol

[elfin sierra]

yea daisy danger in eune

[sly void]

i feel offended

[elfin sierra]

they dont even play ranked idk how someone can be hardstuck

without being stuck in the first palce

[wanton jetty]

this reads like a joke here tbh lirie

idk think this reeks of wanting engagement w/e unfortunate eune moment

[sly void]

what

[elfin sierra]

q for ranked and see if u climb

[sly void]

im in a game rn and then i will

[elfin sierra]

thats not a ranked game

[sly void]

i will go with heca
altough i told u i have 2 matches

i joined it before u told me to go ranked

[elfin sierra]

lmk when you start i want to watch

[sly void]

sure

is that the touhou main character eating watermelon

[elfin sierra]

yes

[sly void]

i love it

i like marisa

or was it merisa

[elfin sierra]

marisa was right

[sly void]

starting ranked soon

i mean i will q in 1 sec

[elfin sierra]

#411783937820590082

[sly void]

is it ok if i wont talk ?

[elfin sierra]

yeah i wont be either im just watching

[sly void]

ah great.

btw

i use locked camera 😭 💀

[elfin sierra]

me too

[sly void]

ah

at least im not alone

[elfin sierra]

you should start blue

[sly void]

meh too late now

[elfin sierra]

please level w 2nd

q first w second q again 3rd

[sly void]

mb

i thought i still had E there

[elfin sierra]

you ghosted really late

[sly void]

mb

[elfin sierra]

usually you ghost before using e

theres a lot to comment on

im gonna afk for a bit

[sly void]

alr

[elfin sierra]

back

i dont think this was a duskblade game

o

[sly void]

U didnt see that

i didnt get used to new smite sob

[sly void]

divine i guess right

[elfin sierra]

prob jaksho

divine sucks on hecarim

[sly void]

fair

DOESNT HE GET STUNNED FOR LIKE 2 HOURS FROM THAT

[elfin sierra]

it was close range

[sly void]

awesome

[elfin sierra]

can you press tab

[sly void]

i think we can win not hard

[elfin sierra]

tell your ashe to go antiheal

also since you're duskblade hecarim never touch warwick

when a fight starts pop ghost and immediately ult into their zeri lux corki

[sly void]

alr

kaskfsafkas

[elfin sierra]

you shouldnt fight like that without 3 q stacks first

[sly void]

where would i get them else tho

[elfin sierra]

jungle camps

krugs was there you could've q'd then ulted in

idk what your ashe is doing here she still doesnt have antiheal against ww aatrox

get seryldas last item

gg end

[sly void]

i didnt steal it :so

[elfin sierra]

wtf that was an end

see i like that

[sly void]

im an idiot

[elfin sierra]

u need that confidence i was about to tell you to go in 1v4 with elder but you didnt need me to

[sly void]

i was scared of corki killing me under the turret

[elfin sierra]

its fine a wins a win

[sly void]

gg im too good

jkjk 😭

so

could u tell me what i can get better at or smt

[elfin sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/923988162219474959/1048455636192608366/New_Project_2.jpg?width=1248&height=702

[elfin sierra]

doing dragons probably

you could've done dragon at like 6 mins in

after their bot died and your bot was full health

you should've called for dragon

you're also ganking ungankable lanes like i saw you going mid a lot even though vlad has 0 gank setup and corki just w's away

you're also neglecting top side and you barely cleared your blue side camps and just hovered around bot river doing nothing

[sly void]

well bot and ashe just ushed all the time

[elfin sierra]

if theres no lanes to gank just do full clears

[sly void]

fair

[elfin sierra]

you lose more from forcing ganks than you do from just farming and not ganking

[sly void]

thank u PANTHEON 1V9 SPEARSHOT WANNABE

[elfin sierra]

i would type out your name too if it wasnt fancy letters

[sly void]

oh i just saw this

[sly void]

ctrl + c

[elfin sierra]

manamune usually second

you bought manamune 3rd and just had tear sitting at max stacks for a while

muramana is one of hecarim's biggest item spike so you dont want to hold off on it

[sly void]

ah fair enough

i like this horse 👍 \

[elfin sierra]

yikes

[sly void]

DUD U FCJU SEE THAT

[elfin sierra]

honestly if that was me i would've banned mundo and then locked in rakan jg with ghost cleanse

[sly void]

WAIT

i saw someone lock rakan j with ghost and cleanse before

[elfin sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982721817510826067/1057749337700053042/image.png

[sly void]

was it u omg

[elfin sierra]

no i dont play eune lol would've been funny though

[sly void]

nah it was long long ago

[elfin sierra]

btw morde jg isnt that great anymore

[sly void]

cause of the assive nerf shit?

[elfin sierra]

i think you should try evelynn secondary

[sly void]

i dont like eve

[elfin sierra]

yea

why tf is your mid laner leashing you

[sly void]

idk lol

[elfin sierra]

you spam a lot

[sly void]

sigh..

[sly void]

huh

i thought he would do krugs sob

[elfin sierra]

its too late now but morde jg should buy rylais first otherwise he's just useless when ganking

[sly void]

ah

anivias trolling btw

[elfin sierra]

figured no support item and banned your pick

[sly void]

and also killing trist with wall lol

wtf anivia

IMSUCH AND IDIOT

[elfin sierra]

happens

[sly void]

this is lost :(

[elfin sierra]

is this normal eune activity

[sly void]

saaassasdasdafa

ofc it is

WTF I DID W

[elfin sierra]

u can ult sivir

and hope she doesnt block it

QSS ON BRAND LOL

[sly void]

he hates me

i blame anivia for this loss btw
no heca 😭

[elfin sierra]

wait im gonna add you

its a weird name but its not my account so i dont have a choice

[sly void]

i think u like aram

[elfin sierra]

thats not me lol

[sly void]

fair

[sly void]

i wouldve told u to wait till 20 levels later to even think abt touching ranked, its a mistake to instantly go into it the moment u unlock it

[golden grove]

I did the same thing got into ranked as soon as I was level 30 had no idea what I was doing placed bronze and inted down to iron 3

you can drag your self out though, easily if you find someone you like to play

I played pyke and swain (I don’t even play support anymore) and went from Iron 3 to bronze 1 in that season

Then the next season I explored with more roles like ADC which I main now (but want to quit for jungle lol) and Im silver now

which is still shitlow pisslow trash but hey ho at least i’m hovering silver 2/1 trying to make the push to gold

oh wait this was a dead thread lmao my bad

[spiral wind]

Play ap kalista jungle

[sly void]

nah its fine still good info

[dusty pecan]

best advice i can give you is, choose a lane, and stick to it. then choose a champion, and main it, to the point where mechanics become muscle memory, rather than needing to focus on gameplay. Afterwards, learn macro management, which is translatable to all champions, which makes it easier to master all other champs. good luck! (I'm D1 btw, just for the solidity of the advice to be put it)

[odd creek]

can we see op.gg? the only possible way for some1 to be iron 4 is to be a bot or sadly have some mental issues

otherwise its extremely hard to derank the account without getting banned but some ppl do it but its harder to lose there than it is to win

[elfin sierra]

i played with them hate to say this but in the 2 games we played it was mostly team diff

[turbid orchid]

@sly void

https://discord.com/channels/125440014904590336/1058394008386285588
refer to literally everything i said here, it probably all applies to you too

[mellow finch]

it is absolutely not a team diff in iron 4 you can 100 percent learn how to play the game and then go 20/0 every game iron players do not know how to win games even if they are 10/0

[turbid orchid]

facts

dude you can shit on iron players even as a bronze 4 lmfao

[mellow finch]

if you are getting team diffed in iron you are iron ngl

[turbid orchid]

theres a reason a lot of people believe its impossible to get to iron elo without botting or purposefully losing

[mellow finch]

i unironically get worse whenever i play in that elo as i can get away with literally everything

[turbid orchid]

bot (advanced) is basically iron elo lmfao

[mellow finch]

to get outta iron if ur genuinely stuck i would play ANY stat stick

dont play anything mechanical just play a champ that requires the enemy to know when your champ power spikes (they wont)

mundo, garen, shit like that

[turbid orchid]

naw

play darius, ez 1v9 all you have to do is just auto the enemy level 1 and you win game

[mellow finch]

or that yea with ghost, darius also kinda a stat stick though

soft tacos 🫡

[turbid orchid]

neeko neeko kneecapped

🫡

[mellow finch]

neeko neeko nee-d to stop all things league related in 2023 🫡 2024 will be my year fs fs

[minor junco]

How do you even hit iron?

Like you should place silver or bronze out of placement. Did you derank from there?

[hazy oak]

If u read the post you know

[coral fjord]

right now you should stop going rav first item since its absolute dogshit

idk why you still posted this, you should go duskblade first item, mana third and if u need to rush maw dd, if not u go rav 3rd

conq if they have bruisers that can fuck you up, if not you go phase rush, theres no reason going conq into singed kayn darius for example, simply because they are way too squishy and if u get a lead in the early game u can just 1v3

chempunk is very bad on hecarim never build this

shojin if game over 40+ u sell boots and go shojin

@sly void

[sly void]

I'm still going rav first item and I'm doing very well

[sly void]

look at my hecarim match history
daisy Danger

also I know most of the stuff u said but yeah

[coral fjord]

i main hecarim i have the same results

[coral fjord]

yes but its pretty bad now

[sly void]

eh

works for me

[sly void]

U don't HAVE to otp a champion

People say that it's better to do so because it's easier to learn match ups for champions u play all the time and it's easier than learning how every single ability work for every single champion u play

I personally don't even play a single lane I play everything depending on my mood except adc or jgl on ranked because I'm not confident with those yet

[coral fjord]

hes iron he should play max 3 champs

as he advances into higher elo for example low diamond he needs to start playing other champs probably

[coral fjord]

you dont have the damage anymore

[sly void]

wdym

[sly void]

well now I am and it's working well

[coral fjord]

keep playing hecarim untill u reach higher elo

theres no point playing all the champions in the game

[mellow finch]

builds that work in iron does not mean it works

i can unironically guarantee jungle ad yuumi would work to some extent in iron

[iron widget]

you should only play hecarim and udyr in ranked now

and go play ur 4fun champs in norms or on a smurf if you ever get bored and u will climb

[coral fjord]

u can literally play any champ in iron and still win, whhy should u play hecarim and udyr only ? XD

[sleek plume]

Cs is super important. I guess it just takes some practice, nothing to it

[sly void]

I'm not iron anymore

[sly void]

dawg

I went from bronze 1 to Bronze IV

[coral fjord]

it doesnt matter

bronze iron silver gold, plat u still want to onetrick a champ and get good at it.

[warm birch]

your op.gg is sus. I've never seen anyone go from struggling tryharding barely making it out of Iron to having a 75% win rate lmao

Looking at the tier average & you've just started casually dropping 20kills a game in gold average elos?

[golden grove]

someone post the op.gg

[mellow finch]

from not even knowing how to buy the right items too 💀

its not gold average elo tho its still iron, its plausible

not to mention they dont duo + even their most of their high kill games are sub 50 percent kp most of the time

[warm birch]

Filter to normal games

[mellow finch]

i mean it is norms

[warm birch]

... lmao

[mellow finch]

normal games is still bronze silver what

[warm birch]

So you're telling me hardstuck Iron just starts droppign 25kills in norms on champs never played b4

[mellow finch]

dont think ur on the right op.gg

[warm birch]

Yeah, I am.

https://gyazo.com/c28481f3ffd1b7897fac94a3e961d551 iron twitch glides on d4 sett

keep scrolling to the nunu games for bonus content.

Once you get past the nunu games for some reason the account loses. Every. single. game.

[mellow finch]

qed with masters naut + sett built braindead

oh ok yeah its being boosted zz

[warm birch]

https://gyazo.com/8c660b189f645dfc95d9ca4b9b68b830 pre nunu games

[mellow finch]

yeah LMAO

ok yeah im sure its 2 different people

idk how to do gyazo, but if u go to norms 8 days ago, draven, swain, olaf (Losses), into twitch game (Win) it goes from duoing with randoms in norms with plat-diamond players and then bronze elo again

[warm birch]

I mean unless this player decided they're going to all of a sudden learn PERFECT item optimisation per-game.

[mellow finch]

not to mention the twitch goes from 14/5/13 to 4/10/15 on the swain game

[warm birch]

I've played in Iron. They don't know what anything other than recommended is lol

even switches depending on the game too; from conq to phase rush

[mellow finch]

it could be a coach micromanaging but i doubt it

[warm birch]

its like someone tried to do it b4 too

and claim they're "bronze stuck" https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/khavelath thats the OP.GG for the guy who claimed to be "hard" stuck

[mellow finch]

it could be ANY gold2+ player lul

[warm birch]

37 game win streak claiming he's "stuck" on an account which is clearly bought..

[mellow finch]

im convinced this current person is half real tho they have duos, look at accounts beefy danger and satyr danger

the twitch game is with beefy danger, but both accounts are also bronze elo

[warm birch]

I'm convinced that it's being boosted by a friend; the huge turnaround is insane.

[mellow finch]

probably

[warm birch]

The account had a 47% win rate in 558 games in Iron 2 last season.

[mellow finch]

HOLY, this post has to be bait then it doesnt match up with ops story

[warm birch]

I'll never see the point; especially if its that obvious.

[mellow finch]

wait current account or the one posted above, if its not current then its probably not a lie

[warm birch]

https://gyazo.com/e8534800e7f911c2838d126f71a6d6a8

[mellow finch]

jesus

i was looking at opgg and was looking at champions played and thought it was less but theres like 50 different champions

[sly void]

Why did they even make this if it's fake?

[warm birch]

They were stuck in Iron; after this post got made they randomly won 75% of their games on a new champ never played b4 first timing ranked

[mellow finch]

attention, bait,

[sly void]

So someone told them they would boost them or something

[warm birch]

More than likely;

[mellow finch]

yeah probably

[sly void]

so what will we do ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm birch]

https://gyazo.com/3bfff9ad924c1487b776229cf946d7be Here's the graph too; stuck in Iron for a whole year than just wins like 15 games in a row to get out?

[mellow finch]

just leave it

[sly void]

I mean being stuck in iron in itself is surprisingly

[mellow finch]

yeah iron is rarer than plat im p sure, and iron 4 is unironically harder to get than challenger

they sell for more than master+ accounts LMAO

[sly void]

U start with bronze 1

[warm birch]

Iron 4 accs are currently selling at around £10.

[sly void]

How can u fall down to iron 4 unintentionally 😭

[warm birch]

Botted accounts just don't get banned anymore; Riot needs to up their game.

[mellow finch]

huh, interesting, i thoguht it was 80

[warm birch]

There's never a 5v5 game in Iron; both bots are usually supports; 50% of the time so is the jungler.

[mellow finch]

i guess they found out a way to bot with yuumi

[sly void]

How can jgl be boyted

[warm birch]

Champs range from: Rammus, Yi, Yuumi, Janna, Taric & Sona from what I've seen.

[mellow finch]

u mean the role that kills pve monsters?

[sly void]

Ganks?

[mellow finch]

u think real people in iron gank?

[sly void]

Oh right makes sense

[mellow finch]

the players are similar to the bots in iron so they dont get banned lul

[sly void]

Ah alright

[warm birch]

i refuse to believe any jungler in iron is human

games pretty simple; level 2 gank whatever you want enemy jungle wont ever punish you.

[mellow finch]

i mean, they are usually for fun players so it doesnt matter, but this person in particular who posted looking how to get better is almost guaranteed to be getting boosted rn

[sly void]

yeah if they were stuck in iron and are out of nowhere getting 40 winrate obviously

winstreak*

[meager nest]

is this post bait?@sly void

[sly void]

apparently it is

[sly void]

the OP seems to be boosted

[sly void]

look here and u can scroll up for more

the op was stuck in iron asking for help then out of nowhere got a big winstreak

[meager nest]

lmao so its a bait post

[meager nest]

ill op gg him whats his server

https://imgur.com/a/kKiEjh3 or did he name change

@sly void

[sly void]

lmao

[meager nest]

like what was the point of asking for help and then buying a boost

[mellow finch]

eune

[meager nest]

u can tell which games he played@mellow finch https://imgur.com/a/z1V8jIG

[sly void]

None

Didn't int in any

[meager nest]

@sly void explain

[sly void]

i didnt get on ranked for so long like so long

[sly void]

dude i did the same kills on drafts on heca before but alright?

[sly void]

there i had master naut but ok ?

[sly void]

im not boosted lol

its not m fault hecarim is so fucking broken

[meager nest]

how do u go from hardstuck i2 and then gaining 102 lp getting crazy scores each match

[sly void]

dude

[meager nest]

sussy

[sly void]

i just said i didnt touch ranked for SO long after i hit iron 2 did u even read this thread?

[meager nest]

sussy

[sly void]

i dont get why u think i would even ask for a boost..

and if i did why would i do it only till bronze???

i could ask for like gold or something

and besides that

why would i do it now and not the next season????

@meager nest

[cloud panther]

What role you play

[sly void]

thats not the matter now sorry

[unborn spire]

league is easy

[sly void]

i fixed the hardstuck but now these guys are saying i got boosted for some fucking reason

[unborn spire]

W

[meager nest]

sussy

[sly void]

is that all u can say?

[cloud panther]

I mean it's not hard to believe op climbed out of iron

Iron is Davy Jones locker

[unborn spire]

boosted

[sly void]

Ok

[unborn spire]

kidding

honestly people tripping its not hard to realize what youre doing wrong in iron and just 1v9 after

[sly void]

It'd hard to even get to iron

[unborn spire]

iron is a sesspool of bots and terrible players no offense especially on a champ like hec its free

[cloud panther]

First step to climbing out of anything is realizing you have an issue

Op found a broken champ and abused it. How's that anything close to being boosted

[unborn spire]

cope hec is trash

[cloud panther]

Especially in iron

[unborn spire]

he only good at snowball

[sly void]

mhm

[cloud panther]

Bruh it's iron LOL

[sly void]

Or against swuishies

[cloud panther]

You don't even need more than a pair of braincells to win

[sly void]

Squishies*

[cloud panther]

Just gank and stop dying

[unborn spire]

type rank in chat rn lilbro

[sly void]

that wasnt even ranked dude 💀 i was there for fun

and then "Lirie" the one that told me to get heca in ranked teached me him and etc

just read the fucking thread its not that hard

[meager nest]

Sussy

[mellow finch]

i did say its also very likely you got coached a few games, but the cesspool of norms losses into a sudden nunu main winstreak is kinda sus

[sly void]

the nunu games were drafts

[mellow finch]

it doesnt matter u were like 5W30L in the same norms elo before that

[sly void]

well do u think i was trying to carry or win

No

[mellow finch]

so you suddenly learned nunu, a character with a pretty high learning curve, in 1 game to flip around ur kd froml ike .5 to 6

[sly void]

do u think i was trying to win when i went on ranked
obviously yes

[mellow finch]

the nunu games were also draft

[sly void]

i dont really understand what u mean about nunu sorry

[mellow finch]

https://gyazo.com/8c660b189f645dfc95d9ca4b9b68b830

[sly void]

ok and???

its just draft.. i dont get what u dont understand

[unborn spire]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE ONE PIECE THE ONE PIECE IS REALLLLLLLLLLL

[mellow finch]

lol i cant send image but its into like a 20 game winstreak with nunu, which uve never touched

[mellow finch]

that into this within one day https://imgur.com/a/8x4umMc

[sly void]

and why would i let someone on my account to get nunu ON DRAFTS??

ok listen then..

[mellow finch]

this was less than 2 weeks ago how would u not know what im talking about when i say nunu games

[sly void]

so in most of the nunu games u will nasus. that nasus is my friend he has the same "danger" in the name as me

i would JUST gank him and thats it

just look u will see him on almost any match

[mellow finch]

ok nope, it goes from ONLY 0 control wards into at least 2 a game

[sly void]

maybe cause i started caring

[mellow finch]

theres absolutely 0 chance you buy 0 controlw ards for 50 games, then buy at least 2-6 every game with a high kd, and have 0 for every bad game

[sly void]

bro do u want me to add my friend ?? for him to tell u how we were vcing while i was on nunu????

[mellow finch]

also u dont use controlw ards in ur ranked hec games? so what were those nunu games

https://imgur.com/a/tCK0EBS

[sly void]

oh my God

[mellow finch]

https://imgur.com/GSGuReQ

[sly void]

on nunu I was playing more support that's why I bought more wards and I know o should've bought for heca too but I wanted to save the money

[mellow finch]

0 0 0 0 0into 2 4 6 even EIGHT control wards

[sly void]

u can even see how I had a lot of assists cause I was playing more "support"

[mellow finch]

but you also dont get any controls on any other supportive champions

[sly void]

I know

I'm just lazy a lot of times plus I wanted to have S on "map control" in stats on nunu

[mellow finch]

but u had 0 idea what i was talking about when i said nunu games like 5 minutes ago

[sly void]

Lirie is gone, sad

no u didn't get me

I wanted to say how I didn't get what u meant with the like kda shit about the nunu games

like I don't know what kda 5.5 means and so on

[mellow finch]

id also like to know how you go from 4-5cpm on games you do shit, even with hard farm champs like kayn but all ur heca games, win or loss, are 7.5cpm+ on average

not to mention the kayn game is norms and norms is much easier to get ahead in than in ranked, no matter the elo\

[sly void]

the fuck is cpm

[mellow finch]

lol

[sly void]

lol???

ah cs

[sly void]

Not a lot of people say cpm

[mellow finch]

cs per minute? ok, idc how good u are, if you were hardstuck iron 500 games, theres absolute 0 chance you improve ur mechanics, game knowledge, and macro enough in one day to go from 5 cpm to 7.5+cpm on average a game

[sly void]

UNLESS they played customs for a while

wdym one day?

[mellow finch]

dude the games are one day apart

[sly void]

Or different account but that's in the best case

[sly void]

I know what u mean lol

what games are u talking about

like what game apart from what game???

[unborn spire]

whats your league na,e

[mellow finch]

https://www.op.gg/summoners/eune/daisy danger

[sly void]

It's daisy danger I think

[mellow finch]

like the game ur 31/10 on KAYN in norms with 5.3 cpm, 1 day later ur shitting on kids with hecarim with 7.5+cpm

[sly void]

I don't farm as assassin kayn.

that's just my playstyle

Kayn is a heavy farming champ tho idk how ur supposed to get ur form otherwise

[mellow finch]

kayn gets form from ganking, thats irrelevant

[sly void]

Even then also form farm

I only farm more in red form

in blue form I farm champions

Sure ig

i can't play a game without you coming at my neck with your accusations like what the hell

[mellow finch]

honestly i still think its plausible this isnt boosted, just because its actual iron, but the types of improvements there are dont seem plausible for something within a week. theres ez fixes like builds and early jungle clear but theres actual macro calls you need tens and hundreds of games to learn like when to farm, when to ward, and how to keep map pressure and getting high kp while also having high farm

[sly void]

Yeah

[mellow finch]

and that just never happens until you suddenly switch norms games to nunu, then go on a losing streak in same game type again with rando champs, then u just start shitting on people in ranked with hecarim, a champion youve barely touched

[meager nest]

the improvements is like going from iron bronze level to suddenly stats a gold player can get

[sly void]

It's just weird to out of nowhere get that much better

[mellow finch]

true i would have to say iron bronze silver is really all the same, but the improvements are still like iron to gold+ at least

[sly void]

it's iron and he's broken as fuck

he farms SO FUCKING easy and so on so what's your point

and in the first place it's iron

My friend that played ap nunu for first time was inting till like 10 games to know the champ well

However ppl are different so yeah

[unborn spire]

nah its all the same

[sly void]

I watched kesha a lot before playing nunu anyway

[unborn spire]

until diamond i literally cant tell the difference between iron and plat players tbh

[sly void]

same with Dantes

[sly void]

Doesn't automatically make u better but I know what u mean

[meager nest]

if it was something like from 9/10 games to like 13/6 12/7 then sure mfer turned into a gold smurf overnight lfg

[mellow finch]

yes it is, but have u seen a plat player in iron? its still a slaughterhouse

[sly void]

i can still learn from that

[mellow finch]

but the account was 500 games i think even sub 50 percent wr in iron

[unborn spire]

not really tbh iron players easily can get plat if teamates dont hold them back its all just luck in those ranks

[sly void]

I never said u can't I know what u mean I also tend to look at other people to see how they play before playing a champ because idk play styles

[mellow finch]

bump @unborn spire

[meager nest]

this is bait

[mellow finch]

bro its 100 percent not you cannot tell me an actual plat player cant climb out of iron in 10 games with shitter mmr

[sly void]

did u read my thread

I said I got into Iron 2 like in July or smt and I started playing again NOW in preseason ofc I'm gonna be better

[mellow finch]

afer playing with those same exact stats in norms all the way until you switched to heca

[unborn spire]

yeah they cant lol you are kinda clown for that one lilbro

[sly void]

I told u I don't play seriously in draft why would I care about my kda there

[mellow finch]

idk bro any decent plat player thats not shitter hardstuck plat 4 can do it playing a champion that can get map control

[mellow finch]

you dont need to play seriously when youre playing as consistently as you are with the hecarim, that means you can make macro calls on the fly to some extent and you can do the same in norms without even trying

[mellow finch]

also have u seen the amount of fucking shitters hardstuck g2-p4 looking for enchanter supports just to "spaceglide" in iron pisslow and go 40/0 like 20 games in a row

[meager nest]

bro im a shitty hardstuck p4 and i can basically win with anything

[unborn spire]

🧢

[mellow finch]

bro is first time diamond with ego lol

[sly void]

no dont start arguing now its enough 😭

[unborn spire]

i was gm back in s8 but i got perma banned

I ended this season diamond 70% winrate

[sly void]

O we got a gm here? Cool

[mellow finch]

theres 2 lmao

[sly void]

Who lmao

[mellow finch]

ok fair that opgg looks nice 🤝 but u cant still cant tell me a plat player cant climb out of iron bronze silver with 95%wr

[meager nest]

https://imgur.com/a/7HRno6I it says ur na so

[sly void]

Who else

[meager nest]

also how can a plat player not climb out of iron with a 95%+ wr

neeko and him ig?

[unborn spire]

tbh i just like trolling

[mellow finch]

i was gm 2021 season lul 500 lp peak

[sly void]

Oh neeko was a gm too

[meager nest]

probably

[mellow finch]

im washed sitting at d4 decay now :) league is trash

[sly void]

What lane

[mellow finch]

mid/ad

[sly void]

Oh damn rip lmao

[mellow finch]

i mean i have like 3 ranked games on the account now, once per week to stop decay and season is over

[sly void]

:d

[mellow finch]

also this person wasnt boosted i think, they did get coached but they didnt know what it was lul

[sly void]

@unborn spire u like elden ring?

[mellow finch]

had a person give them a flowchart for heca runes, heca build, and had live vod review at some point too 💀

[sly void]

Ah I be tryna learn mid but the mus are weird for me like idk how to play against the 'long' range champs after playing lotta top

[unborn spire]

yes fire game

[mellow finch]

all this effort for 0 reason huh

[sly void]

based

[unborn spire]

i have 110 hours I replayed with my friends recently on pc with seamless co op mod

[sly void]

u could just read the threaddd 😭

[mellow finch]

i abused braindead champs like lux zoe and cait dw

longrange champs really arent much to learn once you get spacing

[sly void]

Got destroyed by zoe early on then destroyed it later (yasuo)

now can someone tell me if graves is good

[mellow finch]

i aint scrolling or reading 500 messages

[unborn spire]

hes a decent champ

[sly void]

But damn Zoe q does so much damage

i fear that heca will fall down later so i need someone else

[mellow finch]

zoe is the most pissbroken champion ive ever seen my 800 lp friend taught me zoe in literally one sentence: "auto more than your opponent" and i climbed

sheen on passive, you got spells on top of that, they make a mistake trading? ignite + w passive and they die

[sly void]

Wait wait auto?

[unborn spire]

dont worry hec wont get nerfed again hes in a good spot rn, honestly try yi and perma tower dive thats what i usally do low elo

[mellow finch]

yes the entire point of zoe is to just auto them a bunch and they die

[sly void]

Is Zoe a fun champion?

[unborn spire]

picking up flashes is fun

[sly void]

Is it not the q?

[mellow finch]

shes fun in the way katarina is fun, interpret that your own way

[sly void]

eh i tried that but till i get some items team falls down most games

[sly void]

I played kat once inted and was like I don't feel like learning this champion that would need me to otp

[mellow finch]

you rarely use long range q unless they fuck up big time you usually just use shortest range q for the extra damage + auto passive proc

[sly void]

Idk the passive or every ability description but I'm the q does A LOT of damage

[mellow finch]

think of her the way caitlyn plays, her autoes are already fucking braindead but she has spells on top of it

[sly void]

Sir I'm bad at adc

[mellow finch]

q does more damage the more distance it travels

unless you fuck up big time and you get hit by a bubble early game, ur never getting hit by long range q, the long range q is for roams and mid game when vision matters more

[sly void]

So why exactly are her autos strong ?

[mellow finch]

shes ranged

[sly void]

More than the other mid laners of wot

[mellow finch]

k if you have any melee matchup, shes getting free autoes whenever melee cs, the melee is low and is forced to make bad decision, she ignite + w passive + sheen proc and they die, its a lot like other ranged vs melee tho

[sly void]

How do I do against long ranges tho

[mellow finch]

even in like mage vs mage tho, non zoe mage is immobile and they play around burst, whereas zoe can auto more + double sheen proc from q, another one from e, and w+ignite again

[mellow finch]

u fish for bubbles and you just clear wave with long range qs until they fuck up

[sly void]

In laning the enemy Zoe was good but later on she fell of lmao

I completely destroyed her after like lvl 10

[mellow finch]

yeah mid game zoe is as hard if not harder to play than early game zoe, shes relatively high skill cap

[sly void]

Ah

[mellow finch]

need to play around terrain and vision

[sly void]

Yasuo seems fun but long range champs are just

[mellow finch]

and insanely good spacing to actually create kills on the map if you catch someone out 1v1 like in river

yasuo was literally built for long range champs tho 💀

[sly void]

Well idk the way to engage if u get what I mean

[mellow finch]

dash dash dash dash dash dash dash dash

[sly void]

In laning I do always bad against long range champs

[mellow finch]

second wind/taste of blood + dorans shield or fleet footwork if your champion can take that

[sly void]

I think it's cus like I don't think I can win the engage if I have less hp than the enemy and think it would be too risky

[sly void]

I don't go dorans blade?

[mellow finch]

if they poke you no

[sly void]

How am I suppose to know if they poke or not

[mellow finch]

i mean u just think about their abilities

[sly void]

So let's say akshan

[mellow finch]

his q, his autoes

[sly void]

I need to learn runes ngl

[wanton jetty]

this acc lol

[mellow finch]

melee vs ranged is usually a losing lane for melee if ranged plays it right, ur job is to stay alive as long as possibe

[wanton jetty]

keep playing hecarim ig

[sly void]

Ok so I do that right

[mellow finch]

they trade mana for your hp

[sly void]

I try to just survive and dodge their skillshots getting cs

[calm shuttle]

Play hecarim idk you can climb from the stats i see

[mellow finch]

it sounds int but health is unironically a resrouce

[indigo pivot]

u should ask ur booster to keep boosting u

[wanton jetty]

lmao

[mellow finch]

who

[indigo pivot]

OP

[sly void]

So I just try to stay alive and don't engage at all

[sly void]

sigh

[mellow finch]

they got a coach for a bit it seems like

[sly void]

this again...

[indigo pivot]

u dont get 81% wr on xer with just a coach lmao

[mellow finch]

whos playing xer

[sly void]

that was so long ago 💀

[calm shuttle]

88% on hecarim

[indigo pivot]

homie, OP

[sly void]

that was in summer

[mellow finch]

ive gone like a month back thats way too long ago for me bro

[indigo pivot]

so whyd u stop? u had such a high wr lol

[sly void]

?

[indigo pivot]

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/eune/Daisy+Danger/soloqueue#championsData-soloqueue

[mellow finch]

u also wanna be trading back with ur longer range abilities when possible ofc, urnto just letting them walk up and hit you for free

[indigo pivot]

homie you dont get these wrs out of nowhere and still be negative wr in bronze

[mellow finch]

if they walk up too far to walk away safely you engage on them, its more of a experience thing to know when

[sly void]

Yeah I mis my q3 quite a bit idk how to get better at it tho

[wanton jetty]

they ain't legit ngl its p obvious

[indigo pivot]

so again, just go ask ur booster to keep boosting

[meager nest]

very sussy

[mellow finch]

but also its iron, the diff between being bad in iron and being decent in iron is finding the power button on ur monitor

[indigo pivot]

its 81% wr on xerath

[sly void]

Do u have any way I can practice that

[mellow finch]

1.9 cpm tho its xerath support

[wanton jetty]

if ur asking for advice to climb and then do this I suggest u just don't

[indigo pivot]

doesnt rlly matter

[wanton jetty]

the booster prolly farmed iron botlaners with xerath

[indigo pivot]

xer support is still reliant on hitting skillshots bc the champ has to poke in lane

[wanton jetty]

also jumping from champs like kayn and irelia to random 87% wr xerath supp lol

[indigo pivot]

u also dont go from 31% wr kayn to 84% wr hec

[sly void]

and u think im so bad i cant poke???

[wanton jetty]

nah I think u just didn't wanna actually improve and chose to get boosted

[indigo pivot]

never said that?

[sly void]

im tired of this

[indigo pivot]

one of these high wr can easily be legit

[wanton jetty]

also they have 68% wr morde randomly

[indigo pivot]

but to think both or all are legit is just delusional

[sly void]

Is morde that hard

[mellow finch]

their stats are on par with bronze/iron its not sus

50 percent solo death is definitely not a booster

[wanton jetty]

several of ur champs are hard negative with wr then suddenly champs are almost 70% or over 70 like the morde xerath its kinda obvious

[indigo pivot]

also u, or sorry, the booster, is legit turbo smurfing it on hec rn

[sly void]

read the whole thread..

[wanton jetty]

yeah lmao 84% wr hec another massive champ jump

[sly void]

So is morde that hard?

[sly void]

Pls don't tell ppl to do that there are way too many msges to do so

[indigo pivot]

exact same thing happened with xer

[mellow finch]

the amount of solo deaths there are on solo lanes are too high tho i think, its so hard for a booster to lose any 1v1 in iron lul

you would have to be TRYING to have half ur deaths be solo kills

[indigo pivot]

hec averages 3 deaths per game lmao

[sly void]

Is it that hard to e q someone then ulting?

[mellow finch]

also 5 cpm on morde is wayyy too low for a booster

[sly void]

And e q again

[wanton jetty]

the hecarim is working to earn that paycheck

[indigo pivot]

hec cspm is also 7.5 lol

while kayn is 4.8, yi is 5.4, kindred is 4.7, and if morde (50/50 top jg) is 5.0

[wanton jetty]

lmao they deleted their message

[mellow finch]

who

[sly void]

im in a game but ok?

[meager nest]

@indigo pivot most people at good at one or two champs but this guys mastered them all to a gold level

[warm birch]

Idk why people are still going on about it; the chances this booster is just a silver player is pretty high; this isn't OP on the account for these ranked games & it's pretty obvious to me; end of story.

[meager nest]

[sly void]

can i dm u ?

[warm birch]

Go for it; it's just sus to me & always will be.

[indigo pivot]

weird to go to dms 💀

[warm birch]

dantes fan? bio 👀

[indigo pivot]

ya

[warm birch]

dude is one of the only funny league streamers around nowadays

[indigo pivot]

i love dantes

and sorry but i hate liars and boosted ppl

if ur going to get boosted, atleast admit it then ask for help

[mellow finch]

LMAO have u seen dantes clip of losing a league game > losing a loved one because you cant cope with it hes fucking hilarious but also ill LMAO

[indigo pivot]

ya

[warm birch]

Ratirl, Dantes & T1 run the leageue streams

[meager nest]

how about the drutt guy i see his highlights on those channels

[mellow finch]

ratirl peaked a few years ago tbh

[indigo pivot]

hes def fallen off

[warm birch]

Ratirl just doesn't care about the game; dude when he plays serious is a demon. I just don't think he's ever given a shit really.

[indigo pivot]

he hit rank 3 in like s11 right

or peaked rank 3

[mellow finch]

i mean not skillwise but content wise too ap twitch just aint it

[warm birch]

AP Twitch is insanely strong it actually became a meta.

RatIRL hit R3 while trolling & just playing for content; every single game. I don't even watch his streams but just his video compilations show how hard he actually trolled in challenger.
Dude still hits challenger now & still just runs it down mid

[mellow finch]

i mean ig but he also had a yuumi phase for a while, fucking cringe

[unborn spire]

weakside william the goat

[warm birch]

This season alone he had 2 accounts in challenger & a third 931 LP lol

[unborn spire]

https://www.op.gg/summoners/na/WEAKSIDE WILLIAM

[mellow finch]

his content peaked when it was like everything black inventor of spaceglide and shit

[warm birch]

Weakside William is a legend among men; how can he play & fight off so many aliens. Humongous balls.

But yeah Ratirl being the reason Twitch's AP value got nerfed is always funny to me. I never saw it until his journey.
It's always funny watching Riot nerf a streamer directly

[mellow finch]

its never directly they nerfed it because anyone could pick it up, he did popularize it but they are never gonna nerf a champ because one player can play it super well

[warm birch]

Yo it had a 1.3% pick rate when nerfed.

[unborn spire]

okay i have a bait post but i swtg people are really clueless everyone forgets durability patch exists now

[mellow finch]

pick rate dont matter when the 1.3% of people playing is auto win

[unborn spire]

adcs have 100 armor now level 18

[warm birch]

Direct nerf to the Rat. It wasn't even an auto-win; he made a video showing the pre-nerf pick & win rates btw.

[unborn spire]

someone seriously just tried to tell me base armor ez has 60 at level 18 lol

[warm birch]

It only had above a 56% in challenger; every other else hovered a 51%

51% is still good but it's just a skill diff; challengers can space someone with a 95% slow on W

AP twitch is good fun even still; still pretty strong.

[mellow finch]

i mean maybe but winrate still doesnt matter if the champion is oppressively strong

it used to actually just be u get a large rod and u auto 6 times and you e and they die

theres a reason they arent buffing champions like ryze and nidalee to 50+ wr

[warm birch]

Ryze suffers from pro-player syndrone.

[mellow finch]

ryze does not suffer from pro-player syndrome his skill expression is almost all gone

[warm birch]

Nah. He suffers from pro-play syndrome lol.

[mellow finch]

https://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/76/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/ u mean the 47% in pro games from including all the seasons he was pissbroken

win rate dont mean shit if the champion is still oppressive on any decent player into someone of the same level equally decent on another champion

[sly void]

Rip asol boop.

[mellow finch]

its not pro player syndrome when its good evne in solo q when the player is good, pro player syndrome would be shit like azir and maokai jg and stuff where there needs to be a team, making them broken in pro play but not in soloq

like they are good in pro play so they have to leave them like that, buffing them to a place where a normal player does well would make them overbearing in pro play, ryze isnt like that anymore

buffing him is the difference between one shotting the entire enemy team with 3 items and having to position well to get your damage out and be useful even in soloq

[warm birch]

.. What?

You've just said win rate doesn't mean shit & than point out his win rate.

[mellow finch]

yes to show u its nor pro syndrome lul

hes in a good spot for pro and soloq rn even with a dogass winrate

[warm birch]

Ryze in soloQ is dog..

[mellow finch]

lol hes really not you buff him just a little and he becomes insta win con at 3 items

[warm birch]

Okay..? He's still weaker than most other champs at 3 items..

[mellow finch]

yes because theres no middle ground for him its either hes insanely broken or just kinda exists like every other hyperscaling champion

[meager nest]

Daisy left the chat

[warm birch]

What, there's always a middle-ground. Ryze is just shit for SoloQ players.

[mellow finch]

lol theres never a middle ground with hypercarries and hes shit because buffing him makes him broken

do u not remmeber vayne/kayle meta and they just become absolutely forgotten about the moment a small nerf touches them

[warm birch]

You can't compare vayne/kayle to Ryze..

[mellow finch]

LMAO

maybe not kayle but vayne 100 percent

[warm birch]

You really can't compare the two. Ryze succeeds high-level pro play & sucks in SoloQ

[mellow finch]

he really doesnt succeed that much rn

[warm birch]

The website you linked also has shit like LCS CS series.

[mellow finch]

ok then filter it lul

[warm birch]

You realise against DWG in Worlds Ryze was insta-banned/insta-picked right..?

[indigo pivot]

cant argue against facts

[mellow finch]

oh look lck summer ryze is 12-12 with csd@15, gd@15, and XPD@15 all negative

[warm birch]

You've just told us ryze is a scaling hypercarry & you're going to point out he's behind...?

[mellow finch]

his presence rose with one patch at 12.13 then died back again cause he got indirectly nerfed with items and shit

[mellow finch]

??? u do know how hypercarries work right? you nerf them even a little and they can become broken/useless based on the nerf/buff

[warm birch]

All you have to do is scroll down.. the top mid-lane pros pop off with Ryze lol..

Ryze succeeds at very high levels of pro-play & sucks all around in SoloQ..

[mellow finch]

they are all mid laners lmao, you really think chovy is the average pro player? hes as good as in pro play as he is in soloq respective to the other players skill levels

an average pro mid laner on ryze in a pro game will do as well as an average diamond player playing ryze in a diamond game

[warm birch]

That's what I'm getting at. Ryze has pro-player syndrome. In the hands of top pro's Ryze is literally 1v9 giga-busted. But in the hands of anyone else he's fucking shit.

[meager nest]

i just looked up previous seasons too, this guys the fking avatar so many champ picks

[mellow finch]

lol not really chovy went 15.1 kd in 9 games on ahri in the same season u cant cherry pick data bro chovy is literally him

[warm birch]

And before you say any champ they pick up is probably busted. Click on their names & go through their stats. Ryze is top picked..

Xiohau, Doinb, Faker, Scout, Perkz. Ryze is top picked for them and they can show off his actual potenial..

That's just the 5 people the website shows. They all have a 60% win rate with him. In 60-100 games.

Ryze suffers from pro-play syndrome. He's extremely good in pro-play but sucks in SoloQ. If they buffed Ryze he'd be permbanned in pro-play.

[mellow finch]

its 40 games and hes really not great in pro play rn lul

[warm birch]

40 games. BUT thats their most picked champ through EVERY game in s12..

[mellow finch]

40 games is every single game in their pro career EVER

[warm birch]

Ryze is good in pro-play. Ryze was good enough to be permbanned against DWG @ Worlds. Pointless going back & forth as we're never going to agree.

[mellow finch]

hes also freelo in soloq if the ryze is as good in his rank as showmaker is at ryze in proplay

[warm birch]

He's certainly not freelo. Even in challenger+ he doesn't have a 50% win rate in SoloQ. That's challenger sample-size.

I really doubt you can consider Challengers shit.

[mellow finch]

the sub1k player sample size with an even smaller ryze size

[warm birch]

He has the 12th highest pick rate in SoloQ (CHALLENGER). It's certainly not the small sample-size.

[mellow finch]

where tf are u reading this bro his pickrate 12.23 is 5 and 12.22 is 8.8

[warm birch]

Challenger+. Mid Lane Patch 12.23. World picks (Showing every region)

[mellow finch]

1300 matchups the whole patch with most of his games into his omega shit matchups, that doesnt matter, hes fine everywhere else

[warm birch]

Even if I switch it back to patch 12.22 Ryze was picked the (6)th most & has a 46% win rate in just Challenger.

[mellow finch]

yes? maybe theres a reason hes picked so much evenw ith a dogshit wr

[warm birch]

Azir is currently picked more than Ryze in current days & everyone knows Azir suffers the most from pro-play syndrome.

Ryze isn't a good champ for Solo-Q.

[mellow finch]

yes his wr is shit but people still play it because they people that do make it work, pro or not

[warm birch]

Obviously you'll have your onetricks that can still dominate on him. But overall for the your standard challenger mid-lane; they're going to have more success on pretty much near-enough anyone else.

Ryze in SoloQ just isn't in a good state; doesn't matter if you "can" carry on him. It's a lot harder to carry on him than majority of the other mids in the game;

[mellow finch]

yes but hes still in the state he has to be buffing him a little would make him even more broken in pro and broken in soloq theres a reason theyve shadowreworked him like 20 times instead of making small tweaks

[warm birch]

There are small buffs to Ryze to make him viable in SoloQ. These buffs would make him mega-OP in Pro-play; so we come full-circle to Ryze has pro-play syndrome; where any small buff to him would make him busted at the highest levels.

[mellow finch]

nah theres no middle ground to make ryze viable in soloq without making him busted in soloq as well

[warm birch]

Exactly.. which is why he has pro-play syndrome lol

You can't buff him without making him go from in a good state for pro play to OP in pro play.

[mellow finch]

yes but the same applies to soloq so i wouldnt really say proplay syndrome

[warm birch]

The reason Ryze isn't being buffed is his viability in pro play. It's the same with Azir imo.

They both reward scaling & team play around them.

[mellow finch]

ok yes azir fs because buffing him in soloq would not make him broken in soloq, buffing ryze for soloq would make him broken in soloq and pro

[warm birch]

Mid laners in pro play are just inhuman; will punish you for looking at a wave.

[mellow finch]

yes but buffing ryze for diamond players who are also against diamond players, where both make mistakes, just allows for ryze to hyperscale and autowin even with small changes

[warm birch]

Idk. It's not something that people will ever know until it happens.

[mellow finch]

prolly

[warm birch]

I'd say if Ryze was banned from pro-play indefinitely. Than they can probably buff Ryze to make him viable. It's really just as simple as two different opinions; none of which can be proven until it happens.

[mellow finch]

🤝 this went on for too long, good ending

[warm birch]

Is what it is; could have become toxic like a lot of discussions on these posts

[mellow finch]

at least no ad hominem huh

[meager nest]

like the once great dopa said “he autoed one minion so he lost the lane from that point on”

[warm birch]

Sometimes it is literally as small as that.

[carmine holly]

“he clicked 7 pixels to the right where he should’ve, so clearly game is as good as over”

[brisk lantern]

just dont play him into jax

or else you are gonna have a fun time

[mighty brook]

His games are much different than ours, not even comparable

[spiral wind]

He is also completely unstable mentally

[bold canyon]

Wow, so long. Not gonna read all of it. But why does the server not ban these toxic people?

[meager nest]

sussy

[turbid orchid]

because it’s completely true that suddenly going on like a 30 game winstreak without doing poorly in a single game is sus when compared to his previous performance

if they actually did it good for them, but it just seems like they were playing below their elo and wasting everyone in this threads time

[iron widget]

this is such an interseting thread lmao

first an iron 4 player asking for advice and now people are saying hes boosted

[indigo pivot]

they are lol, 1 look at the opgg can tell you

[meager nest]

he won like 20-30 games in a row with insane stats after struggling in iron 4

[frozen leaf]

In his defense, anyone could get a lot better after thinking for awhile.

[indigo pivot]

league is a lot more of a progression game than a sudden "30 win streak out of nowhere" game

[meager nest]

u dont go from 12/12 scores every match to 30/1 overnight

thats like saying in my defence i could have just improved overnight, going from doing 7/6 scores in plat to now suddenly in diamond with 30/3

[frozen leaf]

In his defense, the difference in skill between plat in diamond is a lot bigger than the difference between iron and gold, it might be possible to improve that much overnight if you get lucky.

[indigo pivot]

you dont suddenly climb 3 ranks from i3-i4 (after being stuck for like 500 games) to b4 in the span of a few days

[indigo pivot]

again ^

[meager nest]

also its a steady progression like Frax said it doesnt just suddenly happen, it gradually happens

@frozen leaf like as if that isnt suspicious at all

[warm birch]

broo why is this still going on

just drop it at this point lmao i was the original person to call her out. just let it go already.

[mighty brook]

Not sure why this is still ongoing either, it is pretty clear someone was playing on his account. Sure fast progressions happen. Doubling your cs/min, going from dying 10+ times per game to dropping 30/1 bombs on new champions, going from poor itemisation to good itemisation. All of this at once doesn’t happen overnight. Especially since OP was 500+ games stuck iron 4. In his latest game he was dropping 30 bombs in bronze 4

[mighty brook]

Also no, not really. I reckon iron to gold is the same if not higher than plat to D4. Hence why we call D4s lucky plats