#will riot finally nerf aatrox even more after seeing how disgusting he was at worlds???

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fresh cloak
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i have been banning aatrox for the past few months now

opaque gust
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Why not play the champ ur self for free lp then

primal cargo
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Aatrox is pretty strong but people forget he’s already been indirectly nerfed and pro play == soloQ,

fleet comet
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People will complain that trox is broken, play him, go 0/9, then still insist he needs nerfs

true pebble
fresh cloak
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any coping non aatrox mains thoughts?

primal cargo
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i dont play aatrox and hate him but you just have a horrible take 😭

fresh cloak
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oh really was that why he had a 100 percent pick or ban rate in worlds

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and has the highest pick and ban rate in solo Q for months

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obviously you are not an aatrox main because aatrox mains even want him nerfed because they agree that he is too overpowered

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so people are banning him to the point they cant play their favorite champ

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so, tell me, how is my take horrible?

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when you literally have and gave the "horrible take" 😂

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im waiting bud

primal cargo
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dude lost his mental and his typing to himself

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guarantee you that youre not hardstuck bc aatrox needs a nerf. Theyve already nerfed him AND his mythic item Eclipse. If you cant dodge skillshots that sounds like a skill issue

fresh cloak
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yes, insult the person instead of the argument 😂

primal cargo
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azir is high pick or ban in worlds

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hes not s tier soloq

fresh cloak
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good argumentation and debate skills

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yes, so is Ryze but they balance around both competitive and solo Q

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Ryze has his horrible wr in solo Q not because the champ is bad but because he has to be balanced for both

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the issue with Aatrox is

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his wr is too high to be considered balanced

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any other point you wanna touch on?

fleet comet
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Trox is good I ain’t denying it

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But I know full well half the people complaining about him couldn’t play him for shit

primal cargo
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this dude always complains, i waas in a voice with him awhile ago

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only thing he did was cry so he falls into that category

fleet comet
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Always one of em

fresh cloak
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thats funny hes trying to attack the argumentor instead of the argument again. Another funny thing is ive never been in a vc with shonen hero before even though hes now trying to lie that he has. Kind of a loser move lol
Also, Azir has a 45 percent wr in solo Q which kind of proves my point not yours

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hey shonen im actually in vc rn if you wanna join and lets see if what you accused me of doing is true

fleet comet
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Alright children, behave.
Yes, trox is strong, but he isn’t someone anyone can pick up and do well with.
On top of that, he’s been nerfed so many times it’s hard to nerf anything on him without going overboard.
Nerf his sweet spots? He doesn’t have the damage to pick fights. Hit his healing? He’ll never survive long enough to deal his damage. Murder his range? God forbid that, he’s still a juggernaut, his range is already pretty short

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What else do they hit without pushing him into obsoletion?

fresh cloak
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im just having a friendly debate LOL he was the one getting all butt hurt and tried to get personal by attacking me instead of the arguments

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And has the audacity to make up lies lmao

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how cringe

primal cargo
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dude are you okay?

fresh cloak
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yes, wby?

fleet comet
fresh cloak
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you got an actual argument?

primal cargo
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you didnt like the responses on your thread

fleet comet
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Quit fighting you children

primal cargo
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calling everyone that disagreed with you as coping so i just told you that you had a bad take

fresh cloak
primal cargo
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and now youre typing into the abyss

fresh cloak
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yesm what is this bad take lmao?

scarlet mango
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please dont nerf my glacial aatrox support bro

fleet comet
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Stop caring so much

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You’re the one feeding into it

fresh cloak
fleet comet
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You’re both insufferable.

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You two wanna discuss or fight?

fresh cloak
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i was discussing he was hurling insults and lies lmao

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shonen hero XD

primal cargo
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let him keep crying, its indicative of who he is

fleet comet
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You both seem to care more about bickering than Aatrox’s strength

fresh cloak
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imagine thinking its crying when you want to have an opinion XD

fleet comet
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Then fight somewhere else, keep the thread on topic

fresh cloak
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agreed

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any points hes had were "horrible takes"

fleet comet
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And you knock that shit off. Are you four?

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Be mature about this

primal cargo
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There will always be strong champions in meta. Aatrox is one of those right now. They already nerfed him and his mythic item.

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if you cant beat him then it sounds like you need to perma ban in draft. Otherwise dont complain

fleet comet
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It’s hard to nerf him in any meaningful way without pushing him into obsoletion. They’ve already nerfed so much on him, last time they nerfed his damage his general strength was crippled, and they had to buff him a few months later to be playable again.

fresh cloak
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i can complain if i want wtf lol who are you to tell me what i can or cant complain about

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the audacity of this cringe kid lol

fleet comet
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And here they go again…

fresh cloak
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tries his hardest to have the last word or be one up someone

primal cargo
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this guy wants aatrox to be unplayable is the problem. Aatrox has a lot of dmg but what makes him good is because he has a lot of sustain. The counterbalance to aatrox is his dmg comes from landing Qs

fleet comet
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You two are insufferable

primal cargo
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Hes really good for soloq

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Like other meta champs.

brittle otter
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OR

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reduce base dmg + add compensate slow buff on w by 5%

brittle otter
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bad lategame but pro games never last that long

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really good teamfighter

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its a champion issue

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base kit

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u cannot nerf that wo nerfing it into oblivion

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its another akali problem

fleet comet
drifting flame
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Aatrox’s healing isn’t even the biggest issue the biggest issue is he buys dirk and he 1 shots u with an almost undodgeable combo if he plays correctly lol

potent echo
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I've said this all when #953796890095411281 was a thing and that Aatrox is a balance nightmare

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because the moment he's strong pro players will pick ban him, which is exactly what happened this Worlds

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...however, the only times he dies is if he misplays or gets fucked over by CC or caught out

fleet comet
potent echo
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the problem with Aatrox is that his kit just works too well in pro
the only reason why he wasn't picked before was because many other champs outclassed him

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now that they're gone Aatrox is free to go and rampage Worlds

fleet comet
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Listen I know it’s a rancid take but y’all complain about how good trox is and then you go 0/9 because you can’t perform any of his combos or hit a sweet spot for shit.

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Trox’s weakness is his harsh skill floor, followed by an even higher ceiling

potent echo
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not to mention the mass amounts of "gigachad Aatrox" shit there was

fleet comet
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I mean he had a spot where he felt rough because they nerfed his damage

potent echo
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now people are calling Aatrox players virgin meta abusers

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yeah but it's funny

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there definitely was a moment in last season where he was weak, but far from being useless

fleet comet
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Hey what do you know, they did nerf trox, and what happened? He felt like shit to play, so what happened? you all complained, and what did that make Riot do? Buff him again.

potent echo
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my problem was that in last season the majority of Aatrox players were shit and there wasn't a popular Aatrox player to look up to since Hash fell off

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now Nayil is here

fleet comet
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Everyone’s champ but the champ you’re playing is garbage or broken

potent echo
fleet comet
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Ksante is just fat Yasuo because he has a Q3 knockup, a defensive W, a dash E, and a “throw myself behind them” R

potent echo
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Aatrox is just too popular now for a bunch of reasons, and I'm mostly pointing it to Nayil

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since he has a Youtube channel now and is appearing in shit like Synapse more often now

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which means people are taking notes from him and alongside making the Eclipse Cleaver build possible

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I'm not sure if this is making any sense, and all I'm saying is that people who think Aatrox needs a nerf were the same people who wanted buffs to Aatrox

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or people who thought Aatrox is weak and mega useless because they can't play him last seasson

untold temple
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aatrox WAS nerfed after worlds

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worlds was only played on 12.18 and aatrox got nerfed sometime after

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it was just a placebo nerf tho

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

silent pecan
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Aatrox is getting a worlds skin, and knowing Rito games, they want to keep milking LoL's titties

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so he may not get a nerf

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xd

fleet comet
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Aatrox will get a nerf in due time, but like I’ve said, they’re reluctant to nerf him because last time they gave him a serious nerf it shifted him right into obsolescence. The needle in which they need to balance Aatrox on is thin

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And you fuckers screaming broken keep shaking it

potent echo
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essentially creating a loophole

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he was most balanced after Q 10% increase imo

fleet comet
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The needle they need to balance him on is surgical-grade, and it doesn’t help when all people do is shake riots arm

potent echo
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thus, as I keep iterating, making him a balance nightmare

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his kit is screaming to be fucked over one way or another

drifting flame
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I mean he’s not a problem with goredrinker - eclipse just is too good on him

fleet comet
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Even in a version of the game where assassins are the weakest they’ve been in a bit, they still manage to cause issues through their items.
Damage and survivability is a dangerous combo, and eclipse offers a lot of it

potent echo
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which also is perfect for Aatrox

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goredrinker has become so shit for Aatrox that we're going Eclipse Cleaver now

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because the the damage you get from Eclipse also translates to the healing you get, which you can count as in-combat survivability

fleet comet
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More omnivamp doesn’t hurt either.

potent echo
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Aatrox has 3 CC abilities that are also his main damaging abilities, which is also AOE

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that alone is just perfect Pro Play top laner material

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I'm surprised that people are surprised when he's pick ban in pro play now

fleet comet
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He’s been a presence in every major tournament for as long as I remember. The perfect expression of a high-skill, high reward toplaner.

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Aatrox will only work as well as you can play him, but if you can play him well he will never let you down.

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That’s half of why i rag on people who rag on Trox. Half of em will never play him, and half of what’s left will and will play him like absolute dogshit.

drifting flame
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Well no one complains about a champ if someone plays shit lol

fleet comet
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You put too much faith into this community.

deft sorrel
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the real cancer is yuumi

fleet comet
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Casual reminder the only people who think ADC’s are underperforming are ADC players.

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Yuumi didn’t win worlds. That’s why people are complaining.

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Kingen’s Trox was a huge part of why DRX won, that’s what’s got underwear in knots.

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T1 fans angry their team lost, most of em kek3

ionic narwhal
fleet comet
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I wouldn’t have had the finals any other way

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Neck and neck between an e-sports Titan and the underdog of the finals, and the underdog takes it by a hair.

cosmic wraith
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I'm pretty sure they are going to nerf Aatrox and Yuumi lol

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Since they were both the most highest ban rate %

velvet dawn
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I remember playing aatrox without knowing his e could be used with q and still carrying lol

willow hemlock
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but his passive heals him only 80% now cginerd

untold temple
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can almost guarantee if aatrox wasn't a hard champ, his wr would be 52-54% atm, and if he stayed the same as he is, he would be getting these wr as well if you take out all the shitters who do try to first time him and do either poorly or win bc the champ is so good rn

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a champ having a consistent 40% br for like 3 patches while also maintaining a wr around 50% isn't a good thing

drifting flame
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They gut zeri because of pro play why cant Yuumi just be deleted too

timid harbor
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aatrox is still slightly too strong imo

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but what i think is that they should nerf him for now, not too much but a bit more, and then later on nerf/balance AD fighter items and then buff him again

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he gets 100% value from some items and its ridiculous how strong those items are, but if you change them for aatrox you mess up the entire top lane balance

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imo his mid-to-late game scaling is a bit too much, he dominates way too easy right now

untold temple
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riot should just do what they always do 🤓 completely gut them and then balance properly 🤓

drifting flame
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I mean knowing riot if they EVER actually nerf aatrox they will completely ruin the champ in 2 patches by nerfing him directly, then nerf his items, then leave him there for 10 patches until extremely overbuffing him in a way that was completely unrelated to any complaints that people had about him

timid harbor
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Not preseason^

wide fox
wide fox
fleet comet
wide fox
sinful mesa
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stupid change

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just hit his survivability and buff goredrinker so the item isn't dogshit

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and congrats u fixed aatrox

gusty radish
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Skill expression doesn't balance a character's strength. Hitting his survivability while not making him extremely fragile is the proper change

timid harbor
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Good luck playing Aatrox against someone who knows their match ups

untold temple
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aatrox is a difficult champ

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entire reason his wr hasn't skyrocketed, like i said earlier

fleet comet
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W AoE looks imposing, but it’s fairly easy to walk out of if you go any direction but away from Trox.

tranquil pebble
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They will not nerf him because he will get a worlds skin

wide fox
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i asked phlox on his stream and his reponse was, "i don't see why would we"

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so no probably not

true pebble
untold temple
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i mean its not really aatrox thats the issue

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its literally just eclipse

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lmao

craggy jasper
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this had probably been explained to you already but worlds was played on patch 12.18, on that patch aatrox was one the strongest top laners in the game. Its 12.21 now and he has been since nerfed already (more significantly than most people realize) Currently at plat+ globally aatrox has a sub 50% wr at 49% and is A tier according to u.gg which is former shell of what he was on the worlds patch and aatrox should be left alone or the champ will be back to being dogshit

untold temple
craggy jasper
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ban rate is soloq doesnt really mean anything as people will ban what counters their onetricks, hate playing agaisnt etc and for pick rate i think a lot of people just picked the champ up (including me) and have realized how fun he is

untold temple
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he has a 13% pr and 37% br in plat+ (d2+ is a shitshow on u.gg considering theyre recommending goredrinker)

craggy jasper
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also the only way aatrox is should ever get nerfed for the for seeable future would be to buff grev woulds but riot would never do that as they would be admitting the durability patch was a failure

untold temple
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masters+ its 16% pr and 35% br

craggy jasper
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hes still a good champion and the br has been steadily decreasing

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i think 12.20 was like 45%

blazing dove
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what if they made it so his Q does more damage to single target like karthus?

honest fern
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Its ok bro

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He got his E passive nerfed

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his wr fell 20%

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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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that champ is unreal

blazing dove
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Is that the best way to nerf him though

potent echo
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although it could work, it would just incentivize people to perma 1v1 splitpush

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which is worse because he has already shit splitpush

blazing dove
civic fern
# fresh cloak obviously you are not an aatrox main because aatrox mains even want him nerfed b...

aatrox is powerful, I main him myself and I have for around a year and a half now. Playing aatrox for so long has not only helped my wr go up but also taught me how to fight him. aatrox's unique playstyle and hyper carry potential are scary. all champs deserve to be good and I think aatrox got his spotlight finally after being shit on for all these years and not even being considered a champion to most. Aatrox has insane healing Jae, but his whole purpose of drain taking is up to the skin of the person who uses him. Aatrox just like everyone legends has its weaknesses. mind I also add he does 0 true damage. Unlike Half of the top laners in league.

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if you wanna beat a aatrox lane, levels 1 - 3 are your best option first back executioners calling.

fresh cloak
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no, its the fact that he can out tank the tanks and out heal the healers and out damage the damage dealers

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even if he loses lane and goes 0-8 he still will become a monster

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that is not healthy for the game

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i think aatrox should be viable but its definitely not healthy for the game with the way he is doing it

civic fern
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but I also lock in nasus when I see a aatrox

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or an ornn

fresh cloak
civic fern
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comebacks are possible, but aatrox's damage is minuscule is what im saying

fresh cloak
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btw in that clip of t1 playing aatrox he misses most of his q lol

civic fern
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you only need to hit your q's early game

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my best example is irelia needing to hit her stun late

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she doesn't she just bursts you down regardless.

fresh cloak
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i mean...do you not see the issue with that clip?

civic fern
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no he didn't press tab

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I cant tell you my own opinion on information like that

fresh cloak
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i understand and get you want aatrox to be in a state where hes not dog shit but cmon lol

civic fern
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gatta go shopping buddy ill be right back

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but my point is

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people who say aatrox is good normally don't play him

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I put a lot of work into maining him to win.

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not to lose

fresh cloak
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nobody is saying that he is bad

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people are saying that he is too op

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and his ban percent shows it

civic fern
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I think his ban rate is more of new players not being able to deal with it and losing lane to him

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but the only reason I dont lose lane to him is because i play him

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if they nerf aatrox how will he fight, as I mentioned

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nasus fiora

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ornn

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darius

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jax

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gnar

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he will be obliterated

fresh cloak
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yeah i agree those champs are disgusting

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especially fiora

civic fern
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fiora already out heals aatrox.

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if they nerf his healing he wont have any healing

fresh cloak
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she has an insane wr for her pick rate rn

civic fern
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k brb nice talk

civic fern
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6V1S_-5QBc i reviewed this clip

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the aatrox was 3 levels ahead of most of the enemy team, I personally think he should be boss raiding as any top should

wide fox
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"its in aatrox's design to be a drain tanker" -riot's excuse

civic fern
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you cant compare them

wide fox
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if renekton did that it would clearly mean his purpose as a champ is not being fulfilled

wide fox
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aatrox does not have nearly as good a lane as renekton

civic fern
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bacon do you play aatrox?

wide fox
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aatrox base ad is literally like 10 ad less than renekton's btw

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uh

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what

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i don’t see how that matters

civic fern
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like should be bannable

wide fox
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renektons kit is like 100x better early than aatrox

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you claim renekton is a lane bully so he's not suppose to scale, yet aatrox can also be just as much as a lane bully?

civic fern
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aatrox damage = healing, tank shits on his purpose

wide fox
civic fern
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also you're very right bacon aatrox is a lane bully

wide fox
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aatrox has so much less cd in the early game

wide fox
wide fox
civic fern
wide fox
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15 w*

civic fern
wide fox
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ok my b i was guessing

wide fox
civic fern
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yeah, if aatrox misses a combo hes dead

wide fox
civic fern
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no

wide fox
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if aatrox miss plays the early game his lane is fucked

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his cooldowns are so short it wont matter if he misses he can just kite it out

civic fern
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aatrox players put everything into one combo or play back

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and if they play back they get fucked late

wide fox
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and either way you pick renekton to get your jungler ahead and you pick aatrox to scale yourself

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by the time he gets 3 q's out on aatrox his cd is more like 5 seconds on q

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so ofc if renekton did what the aatrox did, renekton would be nerfed

civic fern
wide fox
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no it’s not lmfao

civic fern
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bacon do you play aatrox yourself?

wide fox
civic fern
wide fox
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you pick renekton into weak early laners so you can dive with jg after slow pushing into crashing 2 waves

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and by the time he finishes recasting all his q's he hast like 5 sec left

civic fern
wide fox
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the whole point of renekton is to make enemy top obsolete and ur jg really ahead

civic fern
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dude as i said, its 14 seconds when hes done the combo

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and his w hasd the same timer, its at level 4 when you should actually fear aatrox

wide fox
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end of discussion, renekton is early game and to carry ur jg, aatrox is to survive and scale

wide fox
# civic fern what?

look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSxwgRWmVHA

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AATROX vs DARIUS (TOP) | 11/1/4, 67% winrate, Legendary | EUW Maste...

Watch Aatrox beat Darius in Master elo!
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Learn what runes to use, what items to build, understand how to lane, teamfight, and outplay your opponents as Aatrox.
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its on a 12 sec cooldown level 1

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??

wide fox
wide fox
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holy fuck

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renekton can carry by himself, aatrox does not need to scale

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both are just untrue

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ur delusional

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i cant

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goodbye

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👍 cya nothing of value was lost

civic fern
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lol

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lemme go intro practice to show u the exact cooldowns when a level 1 combo is done "if a level one combo is even possible"

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I think people need to get better at the matchup personally

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i never see people even try to side step my q's they just eat them and lose and cry

civic fern
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aatrox's level one is one of the weakest in the game lol.

wide fox
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ok but why does 14 sec matter if aatrox is never gonna use all 3 q's level 1

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????????

civic fern
wide fox
civic fern
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plus his q does close to 0 damage level 1

wide fox
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so why would you ever use it

civic fern
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darius matchup

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land all 3 q's everytime promise

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level 1

wide fox
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darius will just flash your 3rd q

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and kill you

civic fern
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no

wide fox
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??????????

civic fern
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lol u dont wanna flash to kill a aatrox

wide fox
civic fern
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that idea is beyond dumb

wide fox
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you're talking about a level 1 cheese

civic fern
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save ur flash to escape his w if u dont have ghost or u will lose

wide fox
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why would you not use flash

civic fern
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yes i am

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i mean u can all in a aatrox if he over extends but im talking about a skilled aatrox

wide fox
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that is just dumb to let him hit his sweetspot 3rd q is like throwing an ff vote

civic fern
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level one weakness

open badge
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2 silvers arguing semantics

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😂

wide fox
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a skilled aatrox wouldnt throw out 3 q's against a darius level 1 like?? HUH????

civic fern
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im actually challenger 1050 lp e_nerd

civic fern
wide fox
civic fern
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i will out damage him if i land all 3

wide fox
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then you havent played against a darius main before

civic fern
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plus death bringer stance dont forget

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i have

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2 million mas

wide fox
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in silver?

civic fern
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mastery doesn't matter

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but still dude knew how to play

wide fox
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so hes prob pisslow elo

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gotcha

civic fern
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no it was aram 1v1

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normal shit talk top lane

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and no we didnt use healing

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so in my opinion its valid

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anyway what im trying to say is aatrox is easy to beat if you know how his champion works

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if you dont play aatrox and u just brainfuck yourself all game you will always lose

wide fox
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tbh I don't think he needs too big of a nerf, maybe shift some of his power out of lane phase and into mid/late game just to open up counterplay vs a good aatrox but otherwise hes balanced for solo que. pro play is hard to compare because weve seen Akali be 43% winrate in solo que level bad yet having a 90% prescence in pro play.

toxic bear
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this is riot we're talking about they're gonna leave it till the next worlds to nerf him so yeah

fleet comet
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Its not like trox didn’t immediately see a nerf after worlds or anything that’s actually dropped his winrate pretty substantially

umbral maple
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his wr is still above 50% with highest pr top and banrate

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and thats WITH one of his worst matchups, fiora, also being one of highest pickrate tops right now and at her strongest in a long while with new rav hydra and shojin

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i think ppl claiming that hes not too strong just because some players are first-timing him and failing just because they know hes strong doesnt deny that he is in fact too strong as a champ

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hes not an auto-win pick but that shouldnt have to be the standard for warranting some nerfs

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i think hes getting nerfs anyways tho

fleet comet
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I’m not claiming he ain’t strong I’m just saying “ease off poor Trox, he sees more nerfs than he does buffs, period”

untold temple
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for good reason

fleet comet
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He’s the McCree of this game. Nerf after nerf and he’s still a serious threat.

untold temple
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that isnt a good thing

fleet comet
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But they do need to be delicate with him, because as the past has proven, drastic changes to his tools make him nigh unplayable.

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Dis used to have it as his tag: Aatrox is a balance nightmare.

potent echo
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I've pointed out good lord how many reasons why his kit is a Pro Top Laners dream

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worse is that kit is applicable to SoloQ too with a little more inconsistency

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because of this, his kit is a real pain in the ass to balance

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it didn't help that before Eclipse Cleaver we had this stigma of Aatrox being a "Gigachad champ" along with the likes of Ornn

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and the amount of people who are just bad at Aatrox constantly complaining how weak he is

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now look at him now

candid cove
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Aatrox is a nightmare to deal with when ahead and a pain to deal with when behind. The fact that you need to get grievous regardless to even stand a chance against him is already reason enough to nerf him.

fleet comet
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draintanks require counter play and thus are OP

runic frigate
blazing dove
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Riot will poop shit cum fart stinky

civic fern
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dont nerf darkin boy let him shit on kids

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mfs deserve it after locking in yone top and thinking they are skilled in any type of way

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funny how they cry about aatrox having a 50/50 when fiora sitting on a 52% wr.

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like aatrox has the 11th highest wr, 11 top laners are more viable. and his ban rate is still higher than all of theirs.

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its a fucking skill issue is what it is

scarlet mango
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Fiora is just more broken