errant kiln
Hey guys so the preseason https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/preseason-2023-preview/ came out and I wanted to know like your thoughts on specifically what items would go with which class so like tanks and marksman. I’m not really good at figuring this stuff out so any theory’s or ideas on what items will be build for a class such as tank(as I am a tank player) would be appreciated
For the most part I think the items r for tanks/mages
errant kiln
Which item r u thinking to replace for liandries atm?
wanton wave
Rod.
500 mana and health, 100 AP, and a free level at 25 minutes.
vocal meadow
Ok
nocturne pike
swain literally is immortal now
river granite
Season of the AP tank mage
vocal meadow
Tank meta 2: electric boogaloo
humble needle
Please not spear of shojin jax meta again
bleak jay
spear of shojin different now though no?
crimson vault
Are the new pets replacing the current smite things?
crimson vault
Blue pet seems like an indirect buff to hecarim
agile sundial
Blue pet seems like an indirect buff to hecarim
Preseasons tends to result in a a lot of massive indirect buffs & nerfs to champions
vocal meadow
I’m just glad I’m the midst of all the chaos, junglers will always have someone to lean back on like adcs
Their little pets
balmy pike
spear of shojin different now though no?
unfortunately yes
burnt mirage
shojin on kayn
bleak jay
I wanna pet his silly little head
blue pet better
valid moth
Which item r u thinking to replace for liandries atm?
ngl think you go icathia's endurance go conq tank swain or radiant virtue for supp elec swain
maybe with chemtank as 3rd item and rylais still being 2nd
crimson vault
Thank you for your sacrifice
void sleet
enemy diana facetanking 15 people after buying nashor into rod of ages and abyssal
can i pls play the jungle pet instead of adc
proven glen
rod of ages seems pretty bad
its suppose to be a stat item but even after having it fully stacked it seems very low stats
i guess itll depends on the cost
proven glen
i think they might need to make the initial stats lower
and increase the scaling over time
second sunfire
Icathia’s Endurance (Mythic Item)
400 Health
30 Armor
30 Magic Resist
20 Ability Haste
Voidborn Resilience: For each second in champion combat gain a stack granting 3 Armor and Magic Resist, up to 10 max. At max stack become empowered, instantly draining enemies around you for 4% of your maximum health each (reduced to 1% against minions and monsters) and doubling your resists from stacks until end of combat (60 second cooldown).
Mythic Passive: Grants all other Legendary items 5 Armor and Magic Resist
though it doesnt mention how often it damaged them
wanton wave
though it doesnt mention how often it damaged them
We have to assume once unless told otherwise
wanton wave
I’m personally not okay with an item that on its own gives you ninety of each resistance
Casual reminder, 100 of each is a 50% reduction to the damage taken
wanton wave
Yeah sure, if it’s like 4000 gold
proven glen
honestly i think they shouldve made all mythic items expensive
and alot more powerfull
wanton wave
180 resist in total, that’s more than any item gives.
wanton wave
And yeah it seems the majority agrees roa is weak
wanton wave
+5 for each item
Shit u right.
So 220 resist, 110 each
Think the only person who thinks it’s too much is @acoustic shard
proven glen
we dont know the price so its hard to argue
wanton wave
I can’t imagine it being higher than it used to be considering they nerfed it
Taking eternity is half of what we wanted from RoA
proven glen
i think the new chemtech drake map enveriemtn is enteresting
wanton wave
It’s interesting, and I like healshield so yes please
proven glen
i like the double range
i think what wouldve made it even better is the location of the plamts to be in a different area
or more
or less
wanton wave
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780121421635911680/1026887248345579650/IM...
Oh healtanks and draintanks are eating good
Can’t fuckin wait
proven glen
like it doesnt say how long you become trranscended
wanton wave
Nine seconds
proven glen
i think this is fine
wanton wave
riot made the great decision to gut healcut
Yes because some champions were invalidated by 800 gold
proven glen
they want to make tanks more tankier
acoustic shard
since riot wants to make s13 tank meta
wanton wave
You bought oblivion into Swain before antiheal got hit and suddenly he didn’t get to play anymore
Now if you wanna curb healing you gotta commit.
proven glen
swain is weak anyway
acoustic shard
??? XD
wanton wave
Not splurge on an executioners and invalidate draintanks
proven glen
he got nerfed like 4 times in a row
wanton wave
swain is weak anyway
What patch you playin on?
acoustic shard
the fuck are you saying "swain is weak"
void sleet
if you don't have the upgraded antiheal version
wanton wave
Guys been solid since may
void sleet
you might aswell not buy it
wanton wave
you might aswell not buy it
If you’re gonna buy something to counter someone you shouldn’t be able to do it with a single component, especially one so cheap
acoustic shard
hes literally either been broken or really good since his mini rework
proven glen
eh
wanton wave
Swains mid scope was really good to him
He’s in a very good spot right now, debatably close to too good
acoustic shard
AND THATS COMING FROM A SWAIN OTP
proven glen
swain is the kinda champ were its like the higher elo it is the worse and more useless he becomes
wanton wave
That’s coming from the most biased Swain player on the server
opal cove
Most of the preseason items will give way to a tank/bruiser oriented meta. it also seems like theyre partially reintroducing items to help give people something they'll never be happy with. "Variety."
acoustic shard
wtf
proven glen
like sure swain is good in bronze
wanton wave
Most of the preseason items will give way to a tank/bruiser oriented meta. it al...
YESS
acoustic shard
new pfp skolver
proven glen
but in hcallenger he is terrible
wanton wave
SHITTY SKOLVER IS BACK
void sleet
Most of the preseason items will give way to a tank/bruiser oriented meta. it al...
yes but i play adc so i need to complain about shit
wanton wave
but in hcallenger he is terrible
Positive winrate mid all the way to challenger. You smokin?
proven glen
were are you getting this from
acoustic shard
why riot is giving less xp to bot
acoustic shard
and more xp to top and mid
proven glen
he is super bad
acoustic shard
he just isnt? XD
wanton wave
53% winrate mid in challenger.
acoustic shard
dont look at challenger stats
wanton wave
He’s being played at worlds this year
acoustic shard
max u wanna look at is masters+
wanton wave
He’s really good
void sleet
and more xp to top and mid
dragons are too good rn so top lane is an actual island
idk why mid though
void sleet
1 less gold on minions prob dont change anything
acoustic shard
wr isnt everything, but it does help paint a picture
wanton wave
Swain is in the best spot he’s been since his redesign
proven glen
false
solar willow
Its just a cover
proven glen
he was in his best spot right after the redesign
opal cove
why riot is giving less xp to bot
two things. i think theyre trying to punish supports splitting xp in a perma roaming playstyle to their laners.
I also think theyre trying to shift focus more to toplane next year. which imo will be an odd feeling
proven glen
then he got nerfed three times
wanton wave
You’re really gonna debate me on this? My guy im not even convinced you play Swain
proven glen
now he is still ok
acoustic shard
all 3 nerfs were deserved lol
proven glen
not saying they werent deserved
acoustic shard
two things. i think theyre trying to punish supports splitting xp in a perma roa...
yee idk
acoustic shard
swain is still good tho?
proven glen
unless you mean best in terms of balancing
void sleet
two things. i think theyre trying to punish supports splitting xp in a perma roa...
i just hope they nerf some of the adcs rn
atleast in lane
acoustic shard
i mean then we can never say kass is in the best spot?
wanton wave
If he was any better he’s be getting nerfs
wanton wave
unless you mean best in terms of balancing
I mean he’s balanced. He’s as good as he can get without being problematic.
opal cove
I'd say swain is probably a bit on the much stronger side if this is what it's about. mostly due to his anti-melee style with rylai.
with upcoming items and the likes you can probably expect him to be s+ soon.
proven glen
i think its dangerous that we can get +7,5hp and + 1,5% max hp every 30 seconds but hey thats just me
wanton wave
Yeah I’m even a little nervous for season 13, Swain getting his core item back
wanton wave
800 Health
200% Base Health Regeneration
20 Ability Haste
Colossal Consumption: ...
This things gonna get nerfed. It has to be
acoustic shard
waiting for riot to stop making the game new player friendly
the game is becoming so incredibly dumbed down it's insane
opal cove
every preseason item will have to be nerfed. the projected numbers are really big. but that's what pre-season is for.
proven glen
oh wait i just realised
opal cove
it's more about figuring who can use it the best.
void sleet
why gain %15 max hp
wanton wave
waiting for riot to stop making the game new player friendly
I don’t get people.
Everyone complains the games dying so riot makes it more accessible for new players, then everyone complains that they’re making the game more accessible
proven glen
bc its 15% of 10% of your max hp
wanton wave
That makes no fuckin sense but sure
acoustic shard
literally season 14-15 we won't even have to use our mouses to play the game
agile sundial
the game is dying because they're making it new player friendly
Uhm?
wanton wave
Frax I love ya but cry more
acoustic shard
don't have to jg track anymore, don't have to ward track anymore, etc etc etc
shell meteor
yuumi players vs udyr chads
opal cove
This game and old league were very different so i can see the reasoning.
old league before people really knew what MOBAs were felt more in the line of a strategy game. in todays standard it's super fast paced for a moba and sometimes doesnt exactly have that strategy feeling
acoustic shard
This game and old league were very different so i can see the reasoning.
old le...
me having played the game for close to 9 years now
void sleet
the ward track is kinda too good
agile sundial
They already improved the tutorial once, right?
acoustic shard
if not close to 10
wanton wave
If the death of the old guard means the rise of a new one, then so be it.
void sleet
They already improved the tutorial once, right?
its still terrible
agile sundial
It used to be:
Buy thornmail on Ashe
acoustic shard
the game has been on a downhill since item revamp
when they made the shop more accessible or some shit
idek
agile sundial
People say that every season
wanton wave
I’ve deadass seen more support Ashe/MF than ADC Ashe/MF and that depresses me
void sleet
you mean your life has been on a downhill since item revamp so everything you play just isnt the same anymore
agile sundial
Game has been downhill since start of this season (every fucking season)
proven glen
btw doesnt this just mean devinde sunderer will be best item in game?
wanton wave
Listen I didn’t like item overhaul either but I don’t think it ruined the game
shell meteor
guys before we had a 120ap item on nidalee spear same width than xerath Q
acoustic shard
item revamp wasn't this season tho?
wanton wave
Just made it different
void sleet
season 5 players try not to put on nostalgia glasses for 2 seconds
wanton wave
And I don’t mind different
wanton wave
season 5 players try not to put on nostalgia glasses for 2 seconds
The rose tint on them is so thick I’m surprised they can see through em
agile sundial
Like, try going back to season 1, and tell me that was better than S12
void sleet
yes the barely functioning game is the best
opal cove
you mean your life has been on a downhill since item revamp so everything you pl...
You could say this for anyone though. every year league becomes a completely different game. sometimes its not the one you enjoyed as much. rose tinted glasses or not.
cold crescent
either season 10 or 11
s11
agile sundial
My point was, people have been spouting "League has been going downhill since xxx" since season 2
cold crescent
they added new dragons p sure
honestly they reworked the dragons so often I can't remember
wanton wave
If it’s all the same with you, I don’t wanna go back to gunblade era
shell meteor
S12 the ??? update
acoustic shard
all im gonna say is, making the game easier isn't good 💀
id rather just go play dota
void sleet
the game isn't getting easier for you ?
cold crescent
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Season_Ten ye dragon changes
opal cove
I think making it accessible is good. but maybe not how they're doing it.
void sleet
you are still playing against the same players
cold crescent
god this company reworks drags so fucking much
acoustic shard
you are still playing against the same players
im not
compared to some people, i've climbed higher than they can climb in 2-3 years
same with @cold crescent
cold crescent
ye
wanton wave
compared to some people, i've climbed higher than they can climb in 2-3 years
You’ve got the diamond mentality!
acoustic shard
?
opal cove
Dragon gets changed a lot because its probably the most interesting thing on the map.
wanton wave
Oh my god that explains everything!
cold crescent
eh?
acoustic shard
lol?
wanton wave
Frax is diamond now so his takes are shit
acoustic shard
? what
opal cove
like if you can recall dragon used to just be global gold reworked into buffs and now elemental buffs
it used to be a really boring 'heres 200g or so for everyone on the team that took it' type thing
acoustic shard
anyone with atleast a quarter of a functioning brain can realize that
cold crescent
i don't see how this is a take that can be disputed
shell meteor
guys we gonna have a mega blastcone don't you guys have mouses ?
acoustic shard
but ok, we will just say it's shit take bc it's coming from diamond player
wanton wave
I mean I think y’all are overreacting. This shits not the end of the world. Games still gonna be fun
acoustic shard
even tho the person calling it a shit take is a 4fun norms player
cold crescent
whats next is riot gonna add last hit bars for laners like in WR? do we get a big red sign that says DONT ALL IN DARIUS AT 6 HE IS STRONG NOW!!!!!
wanton wave
guys we gonna have a mega blastcone don't you guys have mouses ?
God I can’t wait to forget it’s Chem soul and throw myself at bot T2 on accident
shell meteor
😄
cold crescent
its just bad design
blissful sphinx
Time for ROA kassadin and sylas
cold crescent
dota added things to make game more newbie friendly without compromising its skill ceiling
riot isn't doing that unlike valve
acoustic shard
and valve is a dogshit company
cold crescent
^
acoustic shard
:O
shell meteor
dota is boring although
wanton wave
If the game becomes to easy riot will rectify that. Pre-season exists to do big changes to mix things up and keep the game fresh
opal cove
valve is far from dogshit when it comes to design
opal cove
they dont handle their games well at all for sure but you cant deny the quality of stuff when they actually do something
acoustic shard
quality of games is good outside TF2
cold crescent
They can make the game fresh without dumbing stuff down
acoustic shard
TF2 went downhill
wanton wave
They can make the game fresh without dumbing stuff down
Well this time they are. Next year, or even before pre season is out, they might not be.
acoustic shard
also the fact riot is deciding to add in anonymous names is insanely stupid
wanton wave
They’re trying something different and I like it. I have no complaints with QoL
acoustic shard
there are of course arguments for why it's good
cold crescent
trying different stuff is whatever like adding a new drake or a new obj or some shit
introducing literal statistics to show proper pathing for jgs is just not
wanton wave
I don’t at all understand the “how dare they make the game less of a pain in the ass to play” mentality
acoustic shard
but overall ranked and game quality will go down
opal cove
I would argue game quality will go up for summoner anonymization
acoustic shard
I don’t at all understand the “how dare they make the game less of a pain in the...
because riot is hand holding you
which isn't how a moba should be played
proven glen
i think in season 18 they will add auto jungle featue so you automaticly clear camps
dont have to play game
cold crescent
if riot wanted to help out newbies summoner spells would all be available at lvl 1
lol
acoustic shard
i think in season 18 they will add auto jungle featue so you automaticly clear c...
season 15 they will add in automated csing
acoustic shard
I would argue game quality will go up for summoner anonymization
i don't think so
proven glen
if riot wanted to help new players they would make a good tutorial
acoustic shard
but again, arguments for both sides
loud fog
enemy ward timers 
acoustic shard
and idc to get into that argument rn
cold crescent
this isn't some like elitist take u might see from the FGC its good to learn the game especially deeper things like pathing for jg specifically and how to deal vision and counter vision
opal cove
isn't for this thread.
proven glen
global enemy ult timers
wanton wave
I think you’re both overreacting. But sure, go off.
loud fog
global enemy ult timers
s14 enemy summoner timers
cold crescent
Idk i'm just saying the changes are lame
opal cove
Personally i'd like to see riot remove a lot of stuff 3rd party apps have that streamline the game. that might get rid of some of the 'dumbed down' feeling
acoustic shard
i can't wait for automated csing 😋
opal cove
but that's probably just a lone opinion
acoustic shard
3rd party programs give 0 benefit!
wanton wave
Y’all are overreacting. Also skolvs got a point. This is the same kinda shit people get desktop apps for
acoustic shard
only benefit they give is summoner look up, if ur high elo enough, jg camp timers!!!!
proven glen
s15 red warning text: "Malphite will have ult in 5, 4...."
acoustic shard
nobody below gm understands wtf to do with jg camp timers
and gm is like 0.1% of players or some shit
wanton wave
Alright this threads gone shitpost, I’m out
opal cove
idk if you're being sarcastic or not lol
void sleet
ye idc when my blue comes up
acoustic shard
watch a masters game, these mfs don't even understand wave management
void sleet
i just take it once than fight forever
proven glen
aight time to bring the treat back
Ravenous Hydra
65 Attack Damage
20 Ability Haste
9% Omnivamp
Cleave: Attacks and abilities deal (60% for Melee champions / 30% for Ranged Champions) physical damage to other enemies within 350 units of the target hit
Carnivorous: Gain 0.5 AD and 0.1% Omnivamp whenever you kill an enemy, stacking up to 25 AD and 5% omnivamp. Lose 50% of these stacks on death.
Can only hit each target once per attack or ability every 10 seconds
Cleave does not trigger on structures
what you guys think about this
lol
you think you getting 50 kills real quick?
to scale this
opal cove
I'd still like to know if thats champ only. because if the tag is just enemy you essentially get a shit load of stats for 50 cs
so you could in theory rush this item and be god.
proven glen
a 90 ad item does seem balanced
opal cove
no, it doesn't
proven glen
sarcasm
wanton wave
you think you getting 50 kills real quick?
I’m assuming enemy means minions too.
Honestly I think someone on the dev team is desperately trying to get sword of occult back
proven glen
someone just wanted sword or ad mejai back
wanton wave
I am curious why they decided to hit the cleave of all things. Cleave can only hit the same target every 10 seconds? Guess you aren’t using it to farm no more
opal cove
No, theyre trying to make more items for all arch types which i really like.
opal cove
also that means ravenous is a farming item. since you'll just murder the wave in 1 proc on each minion anyway
proven glen
the new spear of shojin is nuts
opal cove
new spear is infinitely worse than the old one just due to how AH works
still good mind you. but not bonkers.
proven glen
yes afcourse
but it like how it gives you base 32 abbility haste
ontop of 65 ad already being much
agile sundial
It might be priced at 3400 gold though
proven glen
this is an ad tier blitz item
agile sundial
Number balance aside, this new Spear of Shojin is actually well designed, and likely won't be stupidly broken like the last iteration
wanton wave
this is an ad tier blitz item
Funny uppercut
proven glen
hooks into uppercut into move backwards repeat
opal cove
shojin + navori lucian sounds fun.
proven glen
ashe w sounds fun
proven glen
it doesnt give yu that much AH lol
agile sundial
Navori reduces by 15% of current cd
Ashe E has like stupid high cooldown, which Navori makes non-existent
proven glen
this already exists?
agile sundial
Navori is too shit atm to warrant buying it
I doubt Ashe will buy it over IE, but still
opal cove
tryndamere
agile sundial
Trynd passive doesn't count towards the 60% crit requirement
Trynd will not buy new Navori
wanton wave
Pre season should be on PBE today
agile sundial
RiotPhlox did a quick rewamp to it
It's gonna be the premier crit item for spellslingers
Its passive will share the Unique passive name of IE, so you can only buy one or the other, not both
opal cove
so... sivir?
opal cove
post the image/tweet of the reworked navori, please.
agile sundial
opal cove
that's 100% a sivir item
wanton wave
HEADS UP
agile sundial
If you buy Navori, you can't also buy IE
wanton wave
BETTER DUCK
agile sundial
Sivir wants IE
opal cove
sivir also wants to have permanent w uptime and more E makes it really hard to hit her with spells.
this paired with her R gives you a ton of uptime on your spells.
agile sundial
You'll lose a lot of dmg by buying this over IE on auto focused ADCs though
I guess time will tell what is better
opal cove
her dmg isnt really the initial aa and is still got a crit dmg increase. its well worth the trade off since your dmg is mostly w bounces anyway
agile sundial
It doesn't have a crit dmg increase, it has a %dmg increase to abilities
Sivir W isn't ability dmg
opal cove
even better. and yes it is. but it doesnt proc on hit or spell effects.
so its easy to confuse that.
opal cove
pbe cycle at least for EST is usually 3-5 pm. so soon-ish but i wouldnt take this as definite.
agile sundial
PBE usually updates in 1-2 hours
Server downtime varies anywhere from 30m to 2h+
Hard to tell exactly when it'll be up
wanton wave
Go have lunch and take a nap. When you get back preseason will be there
I’d do it myself but I have a class in 2 hours and I ain’t free till seven
wanton wave
Then go eat dinner and go to bed
agile sundial
And PBE servers will be a complete disaster since everyone will try to get on
proven glen
eh pbe is fine
agile sundial
I wouldn't trust the server stability
wanton wave
It’s gonna be rocky for the first couple hours
Maybe even a server crash if there’s too much traffic.
opal cove
i dont think the swath will be that bad
last time it was that bad was when tft hit pbe.
wanton wave
PBE wasn’t designed for tens of thousands of people to play on it, and everyone’s gonna wanna play with the crazy new toys
Chances are good I won’t even wanna till tomorrow because I’m sleep deprived and have six hours worth of classes in front of me
opal cove
if anything it'll likely get flooded due to urf being on pbe in tandem with preseason. preseason alone probably wont be enough
never usually has had problems handling the preseason waves.
wanton wave
I mean URF isn’t on PBE at the moment apparently
supple pike
i wonder how adcs will be pre season since theyre tank counters but tanks will be meta
either theyre gonna be the strongest thing (again) or useless to a point therell be mage botlane
wanton wave
They’ll have to start buying LDR
void sleet
hopefully mage botlanes
i hate playing adcs
hopefully its not a jinx kogmaw twitch lulu meta again
vocal meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780121421635911680/1026887248345579650/IM...
Pog
supple pike
hopefully its not a jinx kogmaw twitch lulu meta again
I don’t need veigar Anivia or vex bot as well as a Zed or fizz
One is enough
acoustic shard
They’ll have to start buying LDR
LDR is god awful item
wanton wave
LDR is god awful item
Tough. It’s about to be a tank meta so it’s about to be a very useful item
acoustic shard
depends on the mage
proven glen
afcourse
acoustic shard
burst mages like vlad struggle against tanks
bruisers
and pls dont say "but hes a battlemage 🤓 "
proven glen
what should i go on jgl zac?
acoustic shard
with new items? or currently
shell meteor
800 hp mythic + shojin + titanic hydra + others hp items
and boot
u just aa in lane
win hp
supple pike
So huh tested sett with 7000hp 400ad and full tenacity it's huh something
yessir
its called the most fun thing in the game
supple pike
isnt the hp ratio better than the ad scaling?
shell meteor
no they nerfed it 😦
supple pike
its 50% of his max health
shell meteor
it's capped idk
supple pike
unless thats the cap
yeah
makes sense
thats why tank sett doesnt do full dmg
like i do 1900 or so true dmg at 5k hp
shell meteor
but u cant die worth xD
shell meteor
actually huh i 1v4
supple pike
1v5 even
thats my fav thing about tank sett
R in, full W to one shot 2-3 and walk away
main pivot
acoustic shard
nice theyre making seraphs a decent item
vocal meadow
Also
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/622474602404118573/102699132678649...
wow
100 ap
sheesh
void sleet
cant wait to start tear on fizz
cold sluice
The Lord is my shepherd
errant kiln
Hey guys just wanna steer the conversation towards what seems to be an uncharted section. What do u think about ornn upgrading times
Do U think having an ornn on your team will change what mythic you build?
fringe tendon
I arleady have in my mind a new Sett build,with the new health scaling mythic,titanic, one of the bamis based items, the ad+health item and then dependely if you need more armor or mr or if you just can choose an full ad item like Botrk
errant kiln
Sounds interesting
wanton wave
Do U think having an ornn on your team will change what mythic you build?
Ornn has never swayed peoples build paths before now, I hardly see why he would now. Reminder that ornnaments are only statistical increases, so there’s really no reason to change your whole build because of him.
errant kiln
Fair point
wanton wave
It’s not like they just added two new tank mythics, one that gives mumu insane resists to let his DoT do it’s work.
void sleet
riot please make ldr armore pen %100 (not an adc main)
shell meteor
got a nidalee with iceborn gauntlet, took 0 dmg slow everyone with aa and still kill you with Q
long pier
