#Support Main | I feel useless.

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wind flame
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I even levelled another account to 30 and played my placements just to have that one copium hit that maybe just maybe I'm not crazy and in fact it turned out bad:

  • I play 1 bad adc game going 0/5 with a fiddle support, next game they realized it was me and was flaming me in champ select telling everyone I would feed. They ended up going 0/4 and I didn't have a single death and they refused to play in my lane. We lost. Third game RIGHT after that they buy dorans ring, steal cs, and then proceeded to play afk in bot lane the whole game, ulting cs.
  • A yuumi bot support (it seemed) that never pressed Q or E.
  • An annie support bot
  • Rest of the games were "normal" games, nothing too out of the ordinary and I won 2 of them

so like.. I'm not crazy right? this is just terrible luck

thin ginkgo
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dont play yuumi in low elo

wind flame
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Is lux fine?

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I don't enjoy stuff like Janna, Nami etc which is often what I get told I should play

grizzled quiver
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Play some pyke 🙂

wind flame
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I guess I could give pyke more of a go, his kit is pretty straightforward and he has the ability to roam invis to help other laners

mental sail
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depressing post

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feel ur pain to some extend

grizzled quiver
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Pyke has 3000 ways to slip away before they start hitting CC

wind flame
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yea man, I've been hella sad lately hahaha

grizzled quiver
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so it is very support gaming

wind flame
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has not been fun whatsoever

mental sail
wind flame
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I mean to be honest even this season has felt pretty off

mental sail
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i started this season

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technically last week of s11

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but like the game has been stale in the season itself ill admit

wind flame
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Bot lane in general feels pretty weak and not really impactful

mental sail
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i think what might help

wind flame
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unless you're like Samira

mental sail
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is to step away from ranked and play other roles/champs for fun

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to cool down

mental sail
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i just had a match where i was feeding my ass off as supp but my duo as jinx singlehandedly won us the game

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after making senna do 1200 combined dmg from 1 auto (+ items + passive)

wind flame
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Yeah. I feel like in many cases I end up carrying more than the adc does as lux

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lmao

mental sail
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thats good

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so does my duo

wind flame
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You should see my damage numbers in half of these games

mental sail
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and kill steals?

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do those happen often?

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if i look at just ur context here it sounds like youre not carrying your adc but yourself, which is good

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but its best if you carry yourself and the adc

wind flame
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Yeah I mean, I do try to give the ADC obvious kills when I can

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I guess a lot of it does come down to again the whole coaching mentality stuff of like not caring about your team in some cases and doing whatever you can to push yourself as far as possible

mental sail
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lmao

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when lux and morgana go 8/1/2 and the adc goes 1/3/11

wind flame
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I mean here's my op.gg for reference lmao

mental sail
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ill have a look

slender idol
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Yuumi main

mental sail
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what about it

wind flame
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I mean, I feel like everyone should play what they enjoy within reason

mental sail
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damn

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6/16 olaf top

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rough

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3/14 jgl

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thats a team diff

wind flame
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tell me about it. Like don't get me wrong

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I have AWFUL games myself sometimes

mental sail
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no i get it

wind flame
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I 100% fully admit that and take full responsibility but my god

mental sail
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i cope a lot but in the back of my mind i know its mb

mental sail
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ill say to m yself teamdiff

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cause its coping

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but i know i can always do better

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i feel you

grizzled quiver
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take pride in that

wind flame
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yeah. I'd hate to just chalk it up to "my team is bad" but

grizzled quiver
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Make it ur personality

wind flame
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it's SO hard given the context of these games to really put the blame on myself

mental sail
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yeah

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i mean

grizzled quiver
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then dont sunglasses3dverycool

mental sail
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always blame urself

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but you can say its others faut too

wind flame
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I do it to such toxic levels tho

mental sail
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lmao

grizzled quiver
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Instead of "its my fault, I played like shit"

wind flame
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like I'd get more mad at myself for not being good enough to carry these people

grizzled quiver
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Its "Its our fault, we all played like shit. report jgl for toxicity"

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stuff that like

mental sail
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communism.

grizzled quiver
mental sail
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LMAOO

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THRESH MAINS

grizzled quiver
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thats from the thresh mains discord wtf

wind flame
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But yeah, I think it's pretty evident that I'm capable of carrying and playing well

sullen sparrow
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just always blame jg and you'll become diamond immediately

mental sail
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i think so too

wind flame
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but league is a fucking team game lmao

grizzled quiver
mental sail
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i do think ur sort of cursed

sullen sparrow
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its always jungles fault even if you go 0-25

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dw

wind flame
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You're like giving me hard copium right now

sullen sparrow
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even if you otp yuumi i dont blame you

mental sail
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from what ive expericned if you dont mind

grizzled quiver
mental sail
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ill get unlucky for a few matches and then get lucky

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win streak to loss streak to win streak

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rn im on an 11 winstreak

wind flame
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It's been like this the entire week or 2 right now

sullen sparrow
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serious question for you though

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are you winning lanes?

mental sail
wind flame
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What is your definition for that?

mental sail
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but possible

mental sail
grizzled quiver
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towers taken

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stuff like that

sullen sparrow
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are you and your adc coming out of a lane with either a cs, level, or kill lead

mental sail
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maybe get turret first

wind flame
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Yeah we're coming out of lane with usually kill leads

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mostly me lmao

sullen sparrow
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every single game?

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as a yuumi?

wind flame
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not yuumi

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as lux

sullen sparrow
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lux doesnt scale

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shes like absurdly bad lategame

mental sail
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i mean

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mid game lux if ahead

grizzled quiver
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lux does scale if you get her ult on a 15 second cd

mental sail
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R is just aonther ability

wind flame
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Oh let me tell you, R is literally

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insta kill

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holy shit

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it's so fun

grizzled quiver
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ludens

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🙂

mental sail
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yup

wind flame
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But yeah I'd say like

sullen sparrow
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yeah and then everyone else can instakill you lategame lol

wind flame
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70-80% of the games?

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we're ahead by mid-game

mental sail
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seeing your sup lock in lux knowing you wont get kills

wind flame
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HAHAHAH

sullen sparrow
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ok thats good

mental sail
sullen sparrow
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but yeah consider ur adc in the matter because as much as you wanna 1v9, its better to 2v8

grizzled quiver
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ok im gonna dip because my advice is useless because im top main

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goodbye

sullen sparrow
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-adc main

mental sail
wind flame
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I do think I am struggling with knowing exactly what else to do in mid-late game other than warding upcoming objectives

mental sail
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but im playing a lot of botlane as a duo

wind flame
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and generally just trying to stick with team and clear vision

sullen sparrow
mental sail
sullen sparrow
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do you know lane states? lux is really easy to perma shove with

mental sail
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or prevent picks on ur team OR get a pick yourself

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all good

sullen sparrow
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it may be of worth to you to know wave management

wind flame
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I've tried to take it upon myself to even push side lanes

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when my team is neglecting it

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I feel bad because I want to be with the team but like

sullen sparrow
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you should be with the team

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90% of a supports worth half the time is cc

wind flame
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I'm also sat there thinking why tf are we chasing this kai'sa through jgl when we could be pushing mid tower rn

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and I'd go to mid to clear the wave

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and push it in

sullen sparrow
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do you ever try to ping them off of chasing that

wind flame
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Yeah

mental sail
wind flame
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oh I pray

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every time

mental sail
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on one side

sullen sparrow
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ping and say no in every situation

mental sail
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if your team commits to bad plays follow their bad plays and try to turn it into a good oe

sullen sparrow
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ppl say they do but when i say ping literally everything you think everyone should do

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deadass do it

mental sail
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but sometimes its so bad you want to prevent it

sullen sparrow
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people will not listen otherwise

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if you're truly 1v9ing they'll listen to you

mental sail
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theres also people

wind flame
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Yeah like on Yuumi I'm better at this because ofc playing the cat you're literally afk for most of the game hahaha

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like if I think we have a good opportunity to herald, I'm like spam pinging mid and top to help jgl

mental sail
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who will ping the max amount of ping to "back off" while youre running away at 10% health

wind flame
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if they have prio

sullen sparrow
mental sail
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some bad plays are just a no no

wind flame
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Yeah those have happened too

mental sail
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but often it does tunr out good

sullen sparrow
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you might know better than the play they're doing but its better than splitting off and letting their bad play die

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bad play > no play

wind flame
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It just feels like so much of it is out of my control

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I can try and influence my team's decision making by pings and some chat here and there

mental sail
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i just had a good sup match

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and ill say that an early roam can do wonders

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as well as peel and cc for your team

sullen sparrow
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^

wind flame
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Yeah, lux Q and E slow is great for that

mental sail
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to bring that up yuuumi doesnt have good cc and neither can she roam

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i was feeding so bad in lane but then after one roam got 2 good plays off and put me back

wind flame
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I do wanna say that I've been focusing WAY more lux than I have yuumi lately

sullen sparrow
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yuumi is kinda worthless in lane too but i digress

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i hate getting yuumi as a support

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because theres so little she can do pre-6

mental sail
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keep them alive

wind flame
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Yeah I was called a useless dog by my MF today because she perma died to Zyra support 3 times in a row

mental sail
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like a 20/0 aatrox

wind flame
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and I'm like.. I can't help that LOL

mental sail
sullen sparrow
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aatrox isnt 20-0 in lane lol

mental sail
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stuck up bitch

mental sail
sullen sparrow
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im saying shes worthless in the process of getting there

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not when they already are there

mental sail
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that is very true

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mobi boots and roam to top

sullen sparrow
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yuumi is literally a glorified support item to another laner

mental sail
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camp the enemy top with r

humble lance
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If you feel useless stop playing support

sullen sparrow
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shes redemption that you can wear

wind flame
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But I enjoy support

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maybe I could take lux in mid instead?

mental sail
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you could

wind flame
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been suggested that by a friend

mental sail
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again my duo did that

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works and is lots o ffun

sullen sparrow
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lux is extremely oppressive in lane mid

humble lance
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If you want to climb don't play yuumi

wind flame
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Maybe might have more agency and would allow another support

mental sail
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you could pick up another sup

wind flame
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with better capabilities

mental sail
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what type?

wind flame
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I enjoy enchanters but I don't like most of them

sullen sparrow
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barring what you enjoy

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what are you good at

wind flame
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champ wise?

sullen sparrow
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yes

wind flame
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Uhh

sullen sparrow
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sometimes what you enjoy and are good at dont really match

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and you can see the trends to see why you're good at things, etc

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you should really watch ur games back btw

mental sail
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my recommendations are Janna, Rakan and Thresh

wind flame
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I don't really know what I'm particularly good at

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it's hard to give an objective opinion cause like I'm silver

sullen sparrow
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how do you usually win your lanes

wind flame
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so clearly I'm not good at anything hahaha

mental sail
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dont mind that

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im not high elo either

wind flame
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I usually win lane with aggression, constant poke and harass

mental sail
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stick with what you like

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thats janna

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maybe mf support

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senna

sullen sparrow
wind flame
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I enjoy Senna

mental sail
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but?

sullen sparrow
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but in order for it to improve, you actually have to exert your opinion

mental sail
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or is there no but xd

sullen sparrow
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so think about it

wind flame
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no buts on the senna pick

mental sail
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all right

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how do you do on her?

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carrying

sullen sparrow
wind flame
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I've played her, still fairly new to her but I think I'm okay, she's fun and her kit is enjoyable

sullen sparrow
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after the pta champion rebalance

mental sail
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true? but poke and harass

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and her E nerf - Q buff

mental sail
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120k dmg in 50 minutes cause i fed her

wind flame
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I did try Ashe support, didn't really like it

mental sail
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all right

wind flame
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felt like it was just a gimmick

mental sail
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kinda true

wind flame
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since the whole MF/Ashe thing

mental sail
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its spamming a button

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so like

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call me dumb maybe

sullen sparrow
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i disagree

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ashes entire worth is slow and easy poke

mental sail
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but i think rakan is a harass support after lvl 2

wind flame
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I don't really wanna play lulu or janna personally

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I might have to just try them out though

mental sail
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i think janna is fun but its bc of a skin i got that i play her

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i wouldnt pick her up if i just see her

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lulu is fun too

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turn people into a squirrel

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then spam laugh

wind flame
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I really just want to play someone I actually enjoy

mental sail
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thats good

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you can climb withh that

wind flame
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cause if I'm not enjoying something I wouldn't want to play them, nor would I play them well

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or care enough to want to play them well

mental sail
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as lomg as yu know your own and your champs drawbacks but also strengths

mental sail
gloomy canyon
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yo supp mains

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i need ur help

wind flame
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I appreciate the support though from all of you btw. I half-expected people to just shit on me

mental sail
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yeah

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those arent here (yet) luckily

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ill gladly give my shit opinions andn thoughts

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as long as they help

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yw also

gloomy canyon
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who wanna play a game? around gold and 2v8 with me

mental sail
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youre very nice as well

mental sail
fallow marshBOT
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sullen sparrow
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imagine only being challenger-skill

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smh

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get rekt nerd

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so bad

mental sail
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right?

wind flame
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Yeah, I think talking about it too and getting it off my chest definitely helps too

mental sail
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im leaving this thread op is a troll

mental sail
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half rant half help i did that too xd

sullen sparrow
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no but im serious

wind flame
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like friends have tried to be supportive and cheer me up but I've been so depressed over these shitty games and loss streak recently

grizzled quiver
sullen sparrow
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watch your games back and specifically try to find the moment where you think the game shifted from a win to a loss

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i feel like identifying that and the patterns those events emerge under will really help you

mental sail
wind flame
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I could try and analyze those games and maybe pick out certain things that may have contributed to the loss but ultimately I do think a large portion of them were lost in other lanes

sullen sparrow
mental sail
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what helps is roaming

wind flame
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Yeah, I've contemplated getting another acc

mental sail
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ive watched some chall vods supps almost always help with 1st herald and top lane

wind flame
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it would just suck because this acc is what I've spent most of my time on

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and money

mental sail
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roaming is a powerful too if you can get your adc in a safe spot

sullen sparrow
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you are a support after all

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its literally in your name lol

mental sail
wind flame
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This may be HARD HARD copium

grizzled quiver
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It's OK we are all copium users

mental sail
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yup

wind flame
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but I've wondered what would happen if I was thrown into gold elo

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like not even high gold

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just like gold 3/4

sullen sparrow
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you'd lose

mental sail
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hmm

sullen sparrow
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gold is way different from even silver

wind flame
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Well I mean I'd want to see how i'd fare

sullen sparrow
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could always just ask someone to play with you in lfg thats in gold elo

wind flame
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cause then it would be like the definitive proof/evidence that it actually is always my fault

mental sail
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theres some videos out there with "x player said they should be diamond not iron so we showed them"

wind flame
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yeah those are what I was referencing

mental sail
wind flame
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it's just interesting to see how other players perform when they are taken out of their current elo

mental sail
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yup

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i find climbing a bit of a barrier

wind flame
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like cause ofc despite gold+ having the same issues as silver

sullen sparrow
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tbf the 4th of every elo is like

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by far the hardest to get out of

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to the point where its almost its own like sub tier

wind flame
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Should I just wait for next season then?

sullen sparrow
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nah

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keep playing, no point to stop

wind flame
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cause I'm like bottom of the barrel silver 4 rn lmao

mental sail
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i see the 4 of every rank "they got lucky and got out of 1 from the one below"

wind flame
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like I think I'm 1 game or 2 games off from becoming bronze and I demote to bronze I would actually be so disappointed

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in myself lmao

mental sail
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you shouldnt

sullen sparrow
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if u dont keep playing theres no guarantee you improve enough to hit silver next season, let alone gold

mental sail
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do you have ranked anxiety?

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or just dont want to demote

wind flame
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I would worry that I'd fall so far that I wouldn't be able to climb back up

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kinda feel that way right now tbh

mental sail
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well

grizzled quiver
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So ur fine

mental sail
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you got to s1

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and all you do is learn even if you lose

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so theoretically you can climb higher after dropping

wind flame
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but yeah I think there's plenty of ranked anxiety included

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but idk what people mean by that 100%

mental sail
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like

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i dont want to lose

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at all

sullen sparrow
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u play norms instead of ranked bc ur scared of losing lp

mental sail
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cause im bad at the game and let my team down + wont be able to get where i am right now

wind flame
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I find that I win more norms than I do ranked rn

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but I do the exact same shit

mental sail
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im on a winstreak in norms rn

sullen sparrow
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same

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phase rush garen bb

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its so fun

wind flame
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it's just crazy

grizzled quiver
mental sail
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mathematically correct sett

grizzled quiver
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90% of the people in ranked are trying to win

mental sail
wind flame
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Doesn't feel like it

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HAHAHA

mental sail
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i dont like that argument but yes players arent sweaty but do want to win

grizzled quiver
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):<

mental sail
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youre not gonnna run it down for fun at least 99% of players

mental sail
wind flame
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Oh and about the duo thing

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I've duo'd with 2 people

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but ultimately the games have been the same

mental sail
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you can cheese in bot lane with a duo

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get perfect synergy and climb like that

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but on that topic

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lots of people do that

wind flame
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Yeah I'm also worried to find a duo too

mental sail
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so if youre solo sup you will go against duos in solo q and that can mess you up

wind flame
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100%

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I haven't really found a duo that I've been consistent with yet

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but idk if I should get a duo

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I see pros and cons for both sides

mental sail
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i got that

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itll make your gameplay inconsistent if youre not always duoing

wind flame
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Yeah, I don't want to have to rely on the duo

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and that particular synergy or cheese

mental sail
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tha

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but just because you have a duo doesnt mean you rely on each other

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you can duo in bot lane but play like different people with extra comms

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nothing nasty

wind flame
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yeah, I guess I'm mostly targeting bot lane duo

mental sail
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jungle can be nice too

wind flame
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not necessarily other duos like sup/mid, sup/jgl etc

mental sail
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i think a jungle teammate is the best

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(me)

mental sail
wind flame
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one of my duos has been playing jgl lately

mental sail
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im forced to

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lmao

wind flame
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but I don't know what it is but those games just aren't it either

balmy blaze
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The champ doesnt matter

mental sail
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either me or a random who feeds

mental sail
balmy blaze
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Just change your gameplay radicaly

wind flame
balmy blaze
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Try out new gameplans

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And roam

wind flame
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instead of somewhat passive with something like yuumi

balmy blaze
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As i said the champ doest matter

mental sail
wind flame
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where I'm only looking for Q pokes and the occassional passive proc if possible

mental sail
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i wanst clear myself there

balmy blaze
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You can roam with every champs

wind flame
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Well..

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I don't think roaming as yuumi would be fun

mental sail
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nope

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you gotta have a kayn who picks you up

balmy blaze
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You have never tried

mental sail
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come honey time to 3v1 top lane

balmy blaze
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You wont surprise your opponents by doing regular things

sullen sparrow
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just play draven support

mental sail
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hell yes

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max W just because

wind flame
mental sail
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ah

wind flame
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as kindred

mental sail
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well i have that too, myself and friends

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might blame silently but wont mind really

mental sail
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kindred hurts

wind flame
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but to be honest

mental sail
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also

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ranked?

wind flame
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yes

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2/11 game as kindred, our riven was 1/14

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against yas

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mid lane was also 5/13 against akali

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so like can I really blame them?

sullen sparrow
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no blame jungle

mental sail
sullen sparrow
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i thought i went over this

mental sail
mental sail
wind flame
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Okay we blame jgl

mental sail
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a good way to blame them

wind flame
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lmao

mental sail
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i couldnt carry

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if everyone is behind you cant carry yourself

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jgl gap and leave game

balmy blaze
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is there an opgg ?

wind flame
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Yeah, esp with this season

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yes

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feel free to roast

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you'd be the first surprisingly

mental sail
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SUP GAP

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GG GO NEXT

wind flame
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ACTUAL SUP GAP

mental sail
balmy blaze
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in fact, Yuumi is one of the hardest champ to play in early game

wind flame
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I like to think I manage it fairly well. I try and proc passive whenever I can, I do try to stay unattached cause like I can always W back onto my adc and heal with the 2 pots from first buy

balmy blaze
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not really

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i watched for 30s

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you were just afking

mental sail
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i hate yuumi players who play her right

balmy blaze
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on your adc

wind flame
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which game?

balmy blaze
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2/1/2

wind flame
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Of course my recent games aren't the best examples

balmy blaze
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i will send replay anyway

wind flame
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but generally speaking that's what I like to do

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I am worried into engage heavy lanes like zyra, blitz, thresh etc

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and typically just opt to stay on adc cause I'd rather not risk it

balmy blaze
mental sail
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did you just

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damn

wind flame
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yup, again that's Zyra

balmy blaze
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aha

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you are inting the lane

wind flame
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I'm not really confident against zyra sup in general

balmy blaze
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by staying afk like that

mental sail
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not gonna blame u all yuumis do that

wind flame
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well, in my defense

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this was the same MF that called me useless dog

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then proceeded to go 1/9

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by the end of the game, and get solo killed by zyra support 3 times

balmy blaze
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we dont care about others yuumi players or how your adc called you

wind flame
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flash ignited on

balmy blaze
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The best way to play league is to be as aggressive as possible

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if you are too greedy, its a mistake, you are too shy, its also a mistake

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yuumi got nerfed too much to be played like a bot

wind flame
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I'm just saying. You're calling out a game that I actually have defense for both knowing that my ADC played like ass that game and there wasn't anything I could do to prevent the hard engages that zyra did AND me already telling you that I'm not confident on yuumi into zyra lanes in general

balmy blaze
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the lvl 1 ?

wind flame
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I don't remember entirely but yeah within the first 10 mins

balmy blaze
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mf got killed lvl 1 and you legit didnt move an inch

wind flame
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aight I'm booting up the replay

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okay yeah so I threw out a Q at 2:22, it was on cd. My MF gets rooted at 2:25, I react late but I did jump off at 2:26 but by that time she was already dead

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Auto flash ignite

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Hella support diff ofc

balmy blaze
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you are not forced to stay on mf

wind flame
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I'm well aware of that, but I already told you I'm not confident into zyra lanes for this exact reason

balmy blaze
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yeah but you are fearing a champ lvl 1

wind flame
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when she does this to my MF?

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of course

noble yacht
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ur not using an opportunity to poke back since she already used her ability on the MF

wind flame
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Like I'm not trying to say I did absolutely nothing wrong in this game, I'm only saying that I am not confident into Zyra matchups on yuumi because if she catches me once with that root i'm also dead

balmy blaze
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I will make a little course about early game in botlane :
-the first thing you should always look about in the lvl 2 transition, you have to do everything you can to push more than enemies, right here you are supposed to push to fall from mf and aa the wave or at least zoning them as you can, you have a passive, it has to be used on cd
-as a yuumi against those skillshots landers, you can go down, but as you are approaching them, you have to be sure you can w quickly on your allies to dodge them
-if a champion is able to aa your adc and he should be punished by at least an aa
-as a yuumi, your hp is important resource to get down your enemies, she doesn't struggle too much from losing hp so you can trade them for the effective hp of your enemies

wind flame
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Understood

balmy blaze
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as i said, yuumi early game is highly risked

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i understand why you are feared to go down against zyra

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but if you wanna win as yuumi

wind flame
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Yeah I have to be a bit more proactive

balmy blaze
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you have to learn to play at the limit

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and be proactive ofc

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If you are not feeling against some champions, like thresh, just don't pick yuumi

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it can be super risky if you are not prepared

wind flame
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this might sound like an excuse but I have definitely played yuumi so much more confidently and better before my entire lose streak

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but that's also why i stopped playing her as much

balmy blaze
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imo, you should stop playing her

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you dont seem comfortable to play at the limit and its understandable

wind flame
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Yeah heavy engage support lanes are just not great for me on yuumi

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don't wanna end up feeding so won't push myself

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other times I can be incredibly proactive but it's just not consistent

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especially right now it's not

balmy blaze
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If you are not creating gold avantage as supp in this elo for more than 2min, you are doing something wrong

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And you should ask yourself, how more useful you could be

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It requires from you to not play in autopilot to be able to recognize that

wind flame
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mhm

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this elo just isn't great for yuumi players either

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aight, I'll drop yuumi for now

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or at least don't play her as often

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and I'll switch her for another sup

balmy blaze
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if you are playing lux

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i recommend you to gank lvl 1 mid

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every game

wind flame
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I can give that a go

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I've MUCH preferred playing lux as opposed to yuumi lately

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feel like I have more control over the game

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but I could be doing more

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ultimately all I can really do is just try my best and hope my team does the same

balmy blaze
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i was the tf

wind flame
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I see what you mean

balmy blaze
wind flame
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you came up with a play and decided to give it a go

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and it worked out

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I guess this is moreso what you mean when you talk about being more active?

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creating plays for your team rather than waiting for them to happen

balmy blaze
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yes yes

wind flame
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in other lanes etc

balmy blaze
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and above that, be unreadable

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you know you gank a lane and the guy would say "aha never a normal human would wait for 30s to regank"

wind flame
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Yeah I think Pyke could be a nice substitute for yuumi for allowing that

balmy blaze
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yeah but you can do it with every champions as i said

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i used to do it with raka a lot

wind flame
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any tips on being able to identify when something like this could work?

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or does it just happen

balmy blaze
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its just from your game sense

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you will try, you will fail, you will learn

wind flame
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what rank are you btw?

balmy blaze
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master

slender idol
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midster

wind flame
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Ah okay, I was curious because I was wondering if it would apply to silver or not

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can't always guarantee others will follow up on it

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y'know?

balmy blaze
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yeah you cannot be sure they follow

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take that in consideration

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if you think they wont follow

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you can just abord it

wind flame
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Yeah, spam pings would be a good option then?

primal compass
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the main thing for low elo supports is you should be active
never passive

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the main wrong thing i see supports do in low elo is be passive

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everyone's too passive

balmy blaze
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it doesnt work every times

slender idol
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Easiest way to rank up as botlane is duoq

primal compass
slender idol
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Or u fucked

primal compass
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do goober type shit

balmy blaze
wind flame
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Yeah the game sense and knowledge etc is very different there

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people have more reason to follow up on a seemingly random play

wind flame
wind flame
slender idol
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Getting used to each other play styles will allow for better synergy

primal compass
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yuumi and lux can have similar levels of impact
it's just that yuumi requires you to have a consistent carry (read: duo) in games to climb

wind flame
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Yeah that's what I mean

primal compass
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if you duoq in low elo you can easily get away with a yuumi pick

wind flame
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I can't rely on random adcs to be able to carry

primal compass
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nah fk the adcs

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i say that as an ADC main

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you're the team's supp

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literally abandon your ad if things go south

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go sit on the 1/0/0 toplaner

wind flame
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Yep, it's why I (hate me for it but I feel like it's necessary) end up taking their kills too lmao

primal compass
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or the jgl or the mid

wind flame
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I do so much damage on lux

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that it just happens

primal compass
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yeh

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u should have a hypercarry mindset on champs like lux

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in elos below diamond

slender idol
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Either duoq or play hypercarry

primal compass
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any non enchanter tbh u should be looking to be the primary carry in most of ur games
ur the only consistent variable

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so make DAMN sure ur not the problem

wind flame
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I'm glad you think so. I'm just tired of trying to rely on randoms and I try to take league coach advice of like the whole "fuck your team, play for yourself"

slender idol
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Bcuz in low elo ur adc will never seen to play with their mouse connected to their key oard

primal compass
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with lux in particular

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if u get fed

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play for picks

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dont mindlessly run around the map

slender idol
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Or their keyboard*

wind flame
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Yep, it's been so fucking rewarding to get picks

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and snipe with my R etc

primal compass
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look at objs that are coming up

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get a sweeper or control ward

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and go be a bush wookie

wind flame
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pft I think I buy way too many control wards

primal compass
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if you think you buy too many, you probably do

slender idol
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I buy 0 per game

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Perfect amount

primal compass
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with dmg supps you want to get your mythic early asf

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i stick with 1-2 pinks for laning phase

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as an ADC

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supp can get away with the same amount as long as AD is warding too

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with lux you should usually have some lane prio

wind flame
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Yeah my op.gg I'm seeing a lot of 4+ control wards every game

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some games have upwards of 6 and 7

primal compass
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4+ is fine

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as long as you have your needed items

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dont get 4+ prior to ludens

wind flame
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I might be delaying a little bit sometimes it really depends

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I'd have to check my build order in my games

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because sometimes I end up getting sorc boots before ludens

primal compass
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look into brand if u havent already

wind flame
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and that's just solely cause I don't end up with enough money sometimes

primal compass
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sorcs is better rush if ur looking to roam

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which is viable asf in lower elos

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if u see enemy mid pushing up a lot

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another very important thing u NEED to learn to do

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find patterns

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in ur enemy's moves

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if you see a jgler gank a lane 2 times

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chances are he's going to do it again

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if u see a midlaner permashoving early

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chances are he's gonna keep shoving

wind flame
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Oh 100% that's great advice

primal compass
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and using that info

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for example

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the ganking one

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you can run to, say, topside

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sit in a bush

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and countergank

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when the enemy jgler eventually shows up

slender idol
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To win lane better track enemy cds

wind flame
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and always click the cds

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I type them in chat too but I'm gonna be honest

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I don't think it makes a difference in silver

slender idol
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I mean like basic abilities

primal compass
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dont type in chat

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but also yeah track basic cds

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not just summoners

wind flame
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ohh

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I getchu

slender idol
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Like if you see a blitz crank miss hook

primal compass
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when u see enemy blitz use q

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its on cd for like

slender idol
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He can't do anything for 10 sec or so

primal compass
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20s

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step up and punish them

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enemy senna use q? step up n punish

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you zone when enemies use abilities

wind flame
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Yeah that's right I try to do that sometimes but with so many champs it's hard to keep up with all the cds of everything

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generally speaking tho I can assume

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that most abilities won't be up for at least 10s

primal compass
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google it

wind flame
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after they've used it

primal compass
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thats not a joke btw

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what i used to do before i knew general cds

wind flame
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I mean yeah I can do that in champ select or something

primal compass
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google'd my lane opponent's abilities

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found cds

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u only need cds on the important stuff

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and most champs only HAVE

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1 important thing

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that u need to watch for

wind flame
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Yeah, blitz hook

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zyra root

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morg q

primal compass
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precisely

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you get it

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so taking a quick 30s to findthat out

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can make a major dif

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and as u keep doing it

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u'll start remembering it

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so that

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for example

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ur agains a morg JGL now, 30 games later

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and u recall her q cd is like

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8 seconds

wind flame
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I really appreciate that btw, it's so easy to neglect and forget that shit

primal compass
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mhm

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it's fundamental

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and not many ppl talk about it

wind flame
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Chat is such a weird thing for me

primal compass
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ill b 100% with u

wind flame
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I know it's going to contain such useless info

primal compass
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i think there is zero reason to keep it on

slender idol
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But it's funny

primal compass
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until u get to literally masters

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funny yes

wind flame
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it is funny

primal compass
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but also distracting

wind flame
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but it's also distracting

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and sometimes tilting

primal compass
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yepyepyep

wind flame
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just reading the dumb shit people say

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blaming you for shit and just generally being toxic for no reason

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that stuff does kinda get to me

primal compass
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i disable it on every account i play on

slender idol
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Just go in all chat after u kill an enemy
"You could've really positioned better that fight :/"

primal compass
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i recommend everyone to do the same

wind flame
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and I do have a habit of responding sometimes and I hate it LOL

primal compass
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disabling chat and approaching the game with the mindset of it being a singleplayer one

wind flame
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I guess I just feel the need to defend myself and not be walked all over ig

primal compass
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is singehandedly what saved my mental

primal compass
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they're piss randoms

wind flame
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Yeah I did play a few games without chat and my god it makes so much of a difference

primal compass
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ur never gonna meet them again

vale marsh
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get a booster

wind flame
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Yeah I know man I tell myself that ALL THE TIME

vale marsh
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climb in 20 games

slender idol
wind flame
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Like it's actually hypocritical I go against what I say

slender idol
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I play adc and my higher rank friend plays support and he just tells me what to do

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Like a puppet

wind flame
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But the benefits far outweigh the cons of having chat off

wind flame
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HAHAHA

slender idol
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I'll boostu to iron

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Turbo speed

wind flame
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I think I need like 23 wins to get back to 50% win rate

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has me stressed out

slender idol
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No it doesn't

vale marsh
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i only play in na

wind flame
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Can I physically recover from this shit tho?

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or is my acc like people say doomed or w/e

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cause some people are like "aight you're +15/-15, time to get a new acc"

slender idol
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If you get better you'll win more

vale marsh
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mmr fixes once u climb a tier

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i was gaining 14-15 but after diamond i gain 18-19 now

primal compass
wind flame
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ohh okay

primal compass
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unless ur literally only gaining +7
ur account is fine

wind flame
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well, I'm gaining

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iirc

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+17 for a win

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and I lose 14

primal compass
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you are nowhere close to doomed

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trust

wind flame
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either +16 or +17

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ok thank god

primal compass
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normal ppl

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get

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+13-14 this season

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and lose around the same

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even gains and losses mean riot thinks ur where u belong

wind flame
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I guess I just don't understand the mmr system enough to know when I'm actually down bad

primal compass
#

ok so

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its rlly simple

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ur lp gains are determined by your mmr vs your rank

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if you're silver 4 and you have gold 4 mmr

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you will get way more lp

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than if you were silver 4 rank silver 4 mmr

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likewise the reverse is true

#

silver 4 rank bronze 4 mmr

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very low gains, very high loss

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of lp

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winstreaking is how you increase mmr gains

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loss streaking can ruin it

wind flame
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Yeah so my MMR is just god awful right now right?

primal compass
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no actually if you're gaining more than you're losing it's pretty decent

wind flame
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ah it's 1,287 which is apparently slightly above S4

primal compass
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what rank r u

wind flame
#

according to whatismymmr

primal compass
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that site is innacurate a lot of the time

wind flame
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I'm S4 but I was S1 at the start of the season

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I stayed in S2 for the majority of it

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the past week or 2 I have dropped so far tho

primal compass
#

hm

primal compass
wind flame
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yeah idk

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I think op.gg had an mmr thing too at some point

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but they since removed it like a year or 2 ago

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or even longer than that idrc

primal compass
#

if u were to winstreak for like... 5 games? you'd probably start getting +1 or +2 to ur gains

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that's basically how the system works anyway

wind flame
#

interesting

primal compass
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winstreak for better gains

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loss streak for worse

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there are lots of ways of manipulating mmr beyond those

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but they're only used by smurfs who really want to abuse the system

wind flame
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I'm surprised my gains/losses aren't as bad then considering I feel like I've been losing SO much lately

primal compass
#

honestly? same

wind flame
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I mean. I've been duoing with a G4 person

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but not for the past couple of games

primal compass
#

that would be it

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you might've fkn ruined the gold person's mmr tho

wind flame
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Yeah I've won some of those G4 mmr games too

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LOL

primal compass
#

duoing really fucks with the system

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if your mmr is s4 and u duo with g4 mmr players

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you win? you get a fuckton more mmr

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they dont get as much mmr

wind flame
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Yeah because they probably belong there

primal compass
#

compared to if they were solo

wind flame
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oh?

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ah okay

primal compass
#

picture this

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ur g4 mmr

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u play solo? u go against other g4s

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u duo with a s4? u go against s2ish

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or other ppl duoing like you are

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if u win against enemies that are lower mmr than you, you gain less mmr

#

than if you were to play against even mmr or higher mmr

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and since it's an average based off of your teams mmr vs theirs

wind flame
#

So in theory it's actually really bad to duo

primal compass
#

it's really good for one person

wind flame
#

unless you're the same rank

primal compass
#

really bad for another

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or about even for both

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YOUR gains are a lot better if you're the lower rank player in the duo

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and your losses are a lot less impactful

wind flame
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I see

primal compass
#

your ALLIES losses are massive

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and gains are smaller

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THATS how you ruin accounts

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rank g4 but s4 or even lower mmr

wind flame
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Yeah and I guess only way to fix those

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would be like

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boosting via duo or someone physically on your acc

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I definitely don't want that to happen lmao

primal compass
#

ye, and both are against tos

wind flame
#

I appreciate it though, I've genuinely been stressing out that my account is just fucked at this point

primal compass
#

nah ur not even remotely close

wind flame
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and it has been affecting my games a lot

primal compass
#

want another great tip?

wind flame
#

I've never really had like a loss streak this bad before

primal compass
#

dont worry about ur lp

wind flame
#

not to the point of pretty much dropping to bronze 1

primal compass
#

or ur rank

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when i was playing in silver a couple years ago

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i dropped from s1 promos to g4

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all the way to bronze 2

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LOL

wind flame
#

How did that happen?

primal compass
#

my account was what you'd actually consider "ruined"

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oh, i tilt queued and ended up playingl ike shit

wind flame
#

Like do you think it was you being tiled or your team or?

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ah

primal compass
#

i was the reason we lost

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most games

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but!

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i was also bad at the time

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and then i had an intervention of sorts

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from one of my higher elo friends

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he sat me down and basically called me out

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bc i was stressing huuuuge amounts over my lp

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it was ruining my mental bfore i even got into game

wind flame
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LOL

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wanna hmu with this friend

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It's nice to actually be guided and have higher elo people essentially coach you, I don't really have that

primal compass
#

he didnt coach me

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he called me shit and said i need to stop rage queuing and worrying about lp

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LOL

wind flame
#

well just someone that was willing to help you out

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OH

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LMAO

primal compass
#

yeah

wind flame
#

Yeah I mean, I do think I've been stress/rage queueing or w/e

primal compass
#

but yeah

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dont worry about lp, even if you drop into bronze

wind flame
#

but even then I still believe the majority of them just are straight up team diff

primal compass
#

i've hit dia multiple times now, on the same account that i had +7 +8 gains and -15 losses

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even if you drop to bronze and have shitter gains

#

you can still make a comeback

wind flame
#

I appreciate that.. honestly

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I mean

#

season is over in nov? I believe

primal compass
#

and it's easier to make a comeback when you aren't mentally stressing urself over "omg im going to lose more lp this game"

wind flame
#

if I can't come back before then I guess next season could be a fresh start

primal compass
#

ye

wind flame
#

like winning rn like I said just feels more like a relief

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sucks so bad

#

like "man I'm so happy myself and the rest of my team didn't do some fucking dumb shit this game holy"

primal compass
#

i get that

#

i rlly do

#

haha

wind flame
#

some coaches are fucking ruthless tho

primal compass
#

i wouldnt suggest coaching until you've hit like d+

wind flame
#

I mean I watch neace vids sometimes on youtube

primal compass
#

i mean paid coaching

#

mb

wind flame
#

yeah yeah I'm not looking for that

#

I just watch people like neace from time to time. Used to watch IMLS but

#

I think that just made me more toxic towards myself because some of the mentality really engrained itself

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it's just shitty when people act like you're the problem and brush off the fact that there's literally 4 other players that can completely ruin your game

primal compass
#

shrug

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that's gaming culture

#

everyone's childish

#

everyone wants to blame someone, and its human nature to band together

#

so people band together... to dunk on one person.

#

you get that everywhere

#

not just gaming

wind flame
#

yup

primal compass
#

but yeah

#

its a mental thing

#

you just gotta push through it

#

i believe in you!

wind flame
#

thanks I appreciate that

primal compass
#

:) np, if you ever need help with something feel free to ping me to ask- i'm happy to provide some input on most things :>
i gotta go now- time to kill some bosses in terraria!
good luck with your climb, focus on the things ppl said here (esp what oui said, they had a LOT of good info)
and if u ever wanna do some norms feel free to inv me ;D new friends always cool

wind flame
#

You're EUW?

primal compass
#

i can be

#

i've been told to make an account several times

wind flame
#

If you can handle hte ping

#

why not

#

also

#

what boss in terraria?

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then I'll leave you to it and wrap up this thread hahaha

primal compass
#

masters for the worthy skeletron

#

:')

wind flame
#

😎

#

anyway, I think I'll wrap up this thread for now. I appreciate everyone's help and advice. I definitely expected to be flamed, insulted and/or completely shit on but instead I received a lot of good feedback and general advice. I'll try and take everything you guys said into account.

  • Looks like I should really just keep chat off, it does make a difference for me
  • I should probably (if looking to climb specifically in silver) not play yuumi as much. Possibly substitute her for another champ like Lux that is less passive and more capable of carrying/having more impact.
  • Review vods to pick apart specific things I could've done better in certain situations, maybe focus on mid-late game if that seems to be a reoccurring theme.
  • Definitely be less harsh on myself and instead be more constructive instead of completely ruining my own mental by treating myself like shit after a win or loss.
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oh and

primal compass
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brand btw

wind flame
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don't fucking care about LP too much, my account isn't ruined just yet

wind flame
eternal ether
#

just scrolling through some of these games it looks like anti-heal pickups range from non-existent to too late to really make a difference.
losing against kayn, yone, lillia, sona with a 34 minute oblivion orb is really bad. you should be purchasing it early and telling your team (aside from split pushers) they don't need to itemize for it.

prime jetty
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Pick bard, cause Bard

twin bear
#

just git gud

shell viper
#

This has almost 1000 posts.
What the fuck happened in here?

wind flame
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no clue, I already got the answer I needed and have been doing better in my games. I figured this would've closed itself by now but I guess not?

sullen sparrow
#

it won’t close until you become the 1v9 draven support of your dreams

noble yacht
#

what should i have for dinner

eager totem
#

Bots should have been spotted right away and you should have dodged

open compass
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play zyra or nami or morgana or brand