#First time champs should be bannable.

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lament lintel
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it's tencent

mental jacinth
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yup

pulsar holly
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Nah I suppose not. Guess it’s just another example of riot not at all listening to their community.

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Tencent’s got their hands up riots ass.

mental jacinth
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if riot does one thing right, unlike other games, is actually listening to the community

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so idk about that comment

lament lintel
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I mean tencent owns riot games

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so they have full authority over them

pulsar holly
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People been asking for a better tutorial for how long now?

mental jacinth
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ppl have also been asking for a better client

pulsar holly
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We’ve wanted a launcher that’s at the minimum, consistently functional, for how many years?

mental jacinth
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riot

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literally cannot

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fix the client

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it is impossible

lament lintel
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to be fair I've only experienced 2 issues rn

mental jacinth
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unless they want to spend 5+ years redoing the code

lament lintel
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friends showing up as online in my offline section

mental jacinth
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it will never be fixed

lament lintel
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and visual bugs of people being in my lobby when they aren't

solemn basin
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The best client

pulsar holly
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Bullshit. If they’ve gotta build the bastard from the ground up again they have the time, money, and manpower to do it.

They had the time and money to remake the game for fucking phones, they can remake the current client.

mental jacinth
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they literally cannot redo the client

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its the same shit with how they cannot completely remake the game

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do you know just how much code actually goes into the client?

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its a fuck ton

lament lintel
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and you only see like

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a quarter of it

mental jacinth
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not even a quarter

lament lintel
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mhm

mental jacinth
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we really only see like

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5-10% lol

pulsar holly
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They can, and probably could in a decent amount of time, remake this game from the ground up.
I’m fully aware of how much code goes into a game like this

I’m also fully aware riot recently remade this game on the fucking phone.

They can’t do it? Motherfucker, they already did

lament lintel
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I mean I'd take consistent events over a "fixed" client

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like how many times have they fucked over clash

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or had to fix up an event cause of some reward issue

solemn basin
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Why wouldnt they do it if they know players would be happy about it even if it takes years to try?

mental jacinth
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you do know

solemn basin
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It would be the best case scenerio

mental jacinth
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wild rift took like

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3-5 years to make

pulsar holly
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It would be a massive amount of effort, im not downplaying or disparaging that

mental jacinth
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the idea literally first came up in 2015

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and its now 2022

pulsar holly
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But I am saying it’s something that not only would be unanimously appreciated, it would save riot a fuckton of grief in the longrun.

mental jacinth
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also wild rift, like valorant, doesnt even have an actual "client" lol

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its literally just the game

pulsar holly
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Every time they fix something, two things break. That’s the curse of 10+ year old code that’s been updated twice a month for thirteen years

lament lintel
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But that's just how it is

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you can say the same thing about world of warcraft

mental jacinth
lament lintel
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I mean in the sea of QoL changes and with the recent jgl improvements and accessibility shit, no reason to keep smite locked to level 9

pulsar holly
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It would be a massive amount of effort but it would be entirely worth it, both for riot and it’s players.

mental jacinth
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also just to put into prospective how much effort and time actually goes into games from riot

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project L which was announced 2019 or so

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has more than likely been in the making since 2016-2017 lol

pulsar holly
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Their argument is that’s ten levels you don’t get to even attempt a core gameplay role of the game.

solemn basin
pulsar holly
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Which yes I get.

lament lintel
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I mean yeah, there's plenty more problems to deal with but this is something that is realistic and wouldn't take longer than like a day to implement

mental jacinth
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or how about, lets take another game thats currently being made

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GTA 6

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we wont see anything from GTA 6 for another 2-3 years

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and it prob wont release for another 4-5 lol

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they only started production last year

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament lintel
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I mean, looked great from dev footage

pulsar holly
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I can’t even disagree. My argument is most people won’t even know what the fuck jungling is before they even get their smite, which is, yeah, a consequence of a shitty 6 year old tutorial.

lament lintel
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leaks and shit

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the tutorial is 6 years old?

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nah

mental jacinth
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crazy idea

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people can do their own research and look up how to jg

pulsar holly
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I’m exaggerating I don’t actually have a clue how old it is or isn’t.

mental jacinth
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there are thousands of videos

lament lintel
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I mean with that logic

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remove tutorial

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if you wanna learn how to play the game

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do their own research

mental jacinth
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i wouldnt say that, the tutorial provides a somewhat shit baseline, but it atleast provides how to somewhat move around etc

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although the tutorial is pretty much useless

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lmfao

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so honestly, yeah just remove it at this point

pulsar holly
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A better tutorial would be nice, though I have to say with the nuance this game has cultivated an updated tutorial would be about three hours long

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Sounds like a real good way to turn off newcomers.

mental jacinth
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it doesnt let you actually

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you're locked

solemn basin
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Dude this is so true though

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The old Tutorial did

mental jacinth
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yup

solemn basin
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New players are going to be Lock screen players

lament lintel
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But yeah idk how you'd make tutorial better without making it like 15 different courses and over 3 hours long to complete

solemn basin
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Very sad

mental jacinth
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do something like uh

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whats that one game

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multiversus

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rlly rlly short quick summaries of how to do shit lol

pulsar holly
mental jacinth
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how to buy, how to move, what things do

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you dont need to go into wave management or macro/micro bc theyre new

pulsar holly
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It’s terrible as it is, but at least now after a single tutorial you can toss yourself into blinds and flounder with the other newbies till something clicks.

mental jacinth
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they will hopefully learn that the more they play and watch videos on shit

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all the tutorial needs to do is teach basic shit, and the current one we have fails at that

pulsar holly
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I think half the problem is It’s hard to make a good tutorial for a game like this.

lament lintel
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I mean there's no possible way the game will or should teach you absolutely everything

mental jacinth
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this game has never been newer player friendly, and no matter how much riot dumbs this shit down, it will never ever be

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better to accept that

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:)

pulsar holly
mental jacinth
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and this as well

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only the dedicated players who actually want to climb will watch videos on how to improve

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if ur 4fun perma spam norms who the fuck cares

lament lintel
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that will always be the case tho

pulsar holly
lament lintel
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I highly disagree

mental jacinth
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💀

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what the fuck are you on

pulsar holly
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Anyone can download league, find a starter champ that piques their interest and suddenly they’re having a fucking ball.

lament lintel
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league of legends is fucking HARD

pulsar holly
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The games fun

mental jacinth
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this game isnt newer player friendly at all

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this game is certainly no dota 2

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but saying its one of the easiest games to pickup is such a stupid comment

pulsar holly
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Bro where and when is dota 2 newbie friendly? I felt like I had a dictionary in Russian thrown at the back of my head and told “good luck” as I got stunlocked by a dude with two axess

mental jacinth
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i was implying dota 2 was harder

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but it seems like you misread it

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somehow...

lament lintel
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dota 2 is much harder imo

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well not imo

mental jacinth
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it is

lament lintel
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it's fact tbh

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lol

mental jacinth
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which is exactly

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what i was saying

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LMFAO

pulsar holly
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Obviously im not the only one who misread it. Anyways.

mental jacinth
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dont think ash misread it

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🤨

lament lintel
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it doesn't help that half of the problem with league

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isn't even riot or league itself

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it's the players

mental jacinth
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the community isnt thatb ad

lament lintel
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you're trolling

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if you think that

mental jacinth
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i mean

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its def bad

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but its not as bad as people say it is lol

pulsar holly
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Nah this community is rancid.

lament lintel
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it really is as bad as people say it is

pulsar holly
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Half of y’all will fight and die over your pretty little ranked badges.

mental jacinth
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which 95% of players wont even reach

pulsar holly
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And the other half are only here to fuck with someone else.

mental jacinth
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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plus there was some stat the like

solemn basin
mental jacinth
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75% of players dont even play ranked normally

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and 25% of players never touch ranked

solemn basin
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So I would definitely fight over that

pulsar holly
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THANK YOU

mental jacinth
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it shows some indication of skill

lament lintel
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eh

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I'm still trying to fucking climb to g4 for the ranked rewards

mental jacinth
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nah its def unfun

lament lintel
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and i'm not having a fun time at all

mental jacinth
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but ranked is more about mental

pulsar holly
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it’s just a fuckijg videogame who cares how good you are at it just have some fun for once in your miserable goddamn life it’s too short to care about video game clout

mental jacinth
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good mental and good at game u climb

lament lintel
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you can have perfect mental and you can still end up stuck

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part of it being a team game

mental jacinth
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thats more about u being dogshit

lament lintel
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unless you're physically better in every way than your team and the enemy

mental jacinth
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if u end up stuck

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its bc of urself

lament lintel
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you're not really climbing imo

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nah

mental jacinth
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yes

pulsar holly
mental jacinth
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im not gonna get into this argument of "im stuck because of my team"

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i mean im 4fun and i peaked d2

lament lintel
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it's not the argument I'm making

mental jacinth
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if i played as much games as some of my friends do

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and had the mental

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id easily hit way higher lol

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sucks this game is unfun

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament lintel
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the argument I'm making is that low elo is simply unfun because it's coinflip and the probability of a victory turning into a loss in the span of a second is WAY higher in low elo

mental jacinth
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you can make the game less coinflip tho

lament lintel
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simply due to the lack of game knowledge alone

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which is why I said

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unless you're physically better

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in every way

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you're not climbing

mental jacinth
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ur making it sound impossible to do

lament lintel
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It's not

mental jacinth
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simply vod reviewing

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watching coaching guides

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getting free coaching from higher elo players

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will boost ur rank from s4 to g4, and even plat possibly

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or diamond or masters etc

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ranked is a place to practice anyways

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i go into every game practicing one thing

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"what is my goal for this game? hmm i think i wanna improve my warding"

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i focus on improving my warding, map vision, and looking at the map more

solemn basin
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There are games where you solely cannot carry your team because your bot lane fed 0-20.

mental jacinth
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if i improved on doing that, then i won even if we lost

lament lintel
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That's what I'm saying, and that shit is prone to happening WAY more in pisslow

mental jacinth
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the climb is a marathon, ranked is just practice

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all it boils down to

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WHICH IS WHY 2ND/SMURF ACCOUNTS ARE SO IMPORTANT!!!!

lament lintel
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ah yes

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brb getting my brozne smurf as a s3 player KEKW

mental jacinth
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament lintel
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I do have another acc but I gave up after playing placements on it

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never thought ranked could get worse

mental jacinth
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i have like 1-2 accounts and then 4-5 others i have access to

lament lintel
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2 support bots

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3 games with the same support that stole cs and ulted wave

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it was so horrible

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😭

mental jacinth
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i just focus on my own game

lament lintel
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but my bad should've been good enough to solo carry

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mental jacinth
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i dont rlly notice other players until out of laning phase

lament lintel
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eh I've only just started muting chat for good

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literally useless

mental jacinth
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yup

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i keep it on

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my mental is strong enough

lament lintel
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if anything it's just distracting and seeing teammates flame each other over petty shit is frustrating

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not even worth reading the bs that comes out of people's mouths

mental jacinth
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its funny to me lol

solemn basin
mental jacinth
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also i love how ppl complain about not being able to climb

solemn basin
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Its a whole ass movie

mental jacinth
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but ignore champs that are broken

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or complete low elo stompers

solemn basin
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Just play Yasuo and you will hit Plat in no time

mental jacinth
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one of my friends who was struggling, picked up sylas, and insta climbed from gold 2 to plat

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yasuo is one of the more balanced mid laners

lament lintel
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sometimes it's funny but when you're winning and then all of a sudden a teammate's mental goes boom after talking about how he's a diamond smurf and the jgler teases him saying he's not causing the diamond player to afk and cause game to be 4v5

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it's annoying

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lol

mental jacinth
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anyone who says theyre a x rank smurf is usually lying

lament lintel
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sad part is they were pretty much hard carrying too

pulsar holly
mental jacinth
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i mean hes provided proof of him being atleast d1

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so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament lintel
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Yeah I mean the voli literally said to add his other acc

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which turns out to be D1 but whether it's his or not idfk

solemn basin
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Thats the issue with Silver players, they are all egotistical trash that believe they are Diamond+ players

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When they are not

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I have a smurf in silver and its so funny

mental jacinth
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its funny seeing gold/silver players ego me saying theyre diamond

lament lintel
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but when people play ranked and then all of a sudden they turn around and say shit like "well idc about this game" and then leave and afk and ruin the game for 4 other people

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you can't help but not be fucking tilted by that

mental jacinth
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games like those happen

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kinda just gotta get over it

lament lintel
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suppose if you're not willing to pour hours of your time into climbing

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there's no point in ranked to begin with

mental jacinth
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if they have that bad of a mental, then you were more than likely bound to lose anyways

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it sucks bc i have a friend that i used to duo with

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his mental is absolute glass

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and its rlly frustrating trying to duo with him when smth bad happens and he goes "ff" and then sells for mobis lol

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glad to say ive since passed him rank even after him getting boosted 🙏

lament lintel
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ah well good to know my mental isn't that bad

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lmao

mental jacinth
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nah he like

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bragged?

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about inting and losing a game on a smurf

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bc someone took his gromp

lament lintel
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see that shit pisses me tf off

mental jacinth
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i didnt even know how to respond lol

lament lintel
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happens WAY too often

mental jacinth
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my dad elite500 has showed me the true path of mental

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stoicism 🙏

lament lintel
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truth

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will never understand those players

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you have to be a special kind of special to be that much of a manchild

mental jacinth
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idk lol, dude was boosted to d4 by a masters player

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hes now p1 bc he demoted

lament lintel
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is he stable?

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in p1 at least

mental jacinth
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idk

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oh

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i mean

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me and him climbed to p2 last season

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but idk if i was boosting him? bc if u compare our gameplay im 100x better than him lol

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i mean i wasnt technically boosting him bc p2 was my peak at the time, but you know what i mean

lament lintel
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I mean the reason I'm asking

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is cause if he is stable

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then at least he has somewhat of decent skill

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or understanding of the game

mental jacinth
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i mean hes good

lament lintel
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most likely belongs in plat

mental jacinth
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also only reason i know he was boosted is bc ive played with the masters friend in norms

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he ended up switching accs to the exact same acc he boosted him on

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💀

lament lintel
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F

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well hey at least he's getting boosted

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ez ranked rewards I suppose

mental jacinth
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still lost all respect for him

wraith totem
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I thought 1 million mastery = god?

tardy tinsel
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what if i first timed a champ and didnt run it down? would you still be as pressed at me for not chosing my main when i could have?

solemn basin
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You coin flipped and got lucky

tardy tinsel
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Haven't read the thread

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Don't think it should be ban worthy, or have any consequences, outside of ranked modes.

In ranked modes I think a ban for it is a bit much, id prefer something like Loss Mitigation for the members of the losing team that had the first timers along with a warning to the first timer.

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I definitely agree with the sentiment that entering a competitive mode with a champ you have no verifiable experience on, is a form of griefing
tho

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i take ghost cleanse shit talk the whole game and q to do it again and not banned

valid socket
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How is dodging not a mechanic? It is a mechanic in soloq. In clash, sure, dodging isnt a mechanic

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Whether they would like an easy solution to dodging or not doesnt change that its a mechanic atm

tardy tinsel
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if you arent upset in that situation, you have more of a problem with people doing badly then people picking champs they dont main

mental jacinth
valid socket
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XD

odd minnow
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It at least ensures that you know at least know how to play the champ

valid socket
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cap

mental jacinth
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i've played with a like 2 mil? wukong player who still barely knew matchups

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he also didn't know his e gave him attack speed

odd minnow
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So just one example?

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Which one am I gonna know how to play more

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Riven which I've never played before

mental jacinth
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im sure there are many more people like that

odd minnow
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Or nunu which I have mastery 5 on

mental jacinth
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mastery doesn't indicate shit

odd minnow
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Mastery indicates you've played that champ before

mental jacinth
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it's the most useless thing people base skill or knowledge off of

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mastery indicates nothing but time spent on a champ, it doesn't indicate whether you understand the matchups or actual champ

pulsar holly
solemn basin
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The chances of you winning with an experienced champ is more higher than playing a champ with 0 experience

solemn basin
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Which other people have said already, learning match ups and other stuff is in a different category. Mastery points ensures you have enough experience with the champ you are playing, you can still struggle against matchups and Laning phase shit of course.

mental jacinth
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mastery points shows nothing but time on a champ, it doesn't show skill, doesn't show knowledge, literally just how many games have you played

solemn basin
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It does, so you not being mastery 5 on Viktor means you don't know the basics of your champ?

mental jacinth
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there is literally a shaco otp

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who has like 15m on the champ

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and is hardstuck iron 3

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lmfao

shut leaf
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you can literally braindead a champ on aram and obtain mastery points over time that way

mental jacinth
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yup

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mastery means jack shit

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useless metric

shut leaf
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i’ve seen irons with several hundred thousand mastery because all they play is aram

mental jacinth
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stop trying to use it to prove a point

shut leaf
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or irons with several mil mastery which is contrary to your point

mental jacinth
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there's a nocturne otp as well

shut leaf
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most game skill comes from outside the champ, the champ is just how you specifically output it

mental jacinth
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with like 10m or some shit

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in bronze

solemn basin
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But do they know how to play champ?

mental jacinth
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if mastery really meant skill or whatever, wouldn't these players be way higher

solemn basin
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That's the main question

shut leaf
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like i’ll know how to do well in lane whether i’m playing cait or mf i’ll just play the lane a little differently

mental jacinth
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knowing how to play the champ =/= knowing how to play the game

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lmfao

solemn basin
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I can have 10 million points on garen and still don't understand what a tower does

shut leaf
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it is tho

solemn basin
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But I know how to play my champ

shut leaf
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tbh i haven’t read this thread like at all

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but just based on ur title what u just said is cope

solemn basin
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Bannable is an exaggeration

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Or was

shut leaf
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ah i c

mental jacinth
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so you think knowing how to play a champ is more important than knowing how to play the game lmao

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pro players be shaking in their boots rn

solemn basin
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Not at all, again not what the topic is talking about.

mental jacinth
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it's literally what you're saying tho?

mental jacinth
tardy tinsel
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i mean i honestly agree with this. people who don't play in games where this happens don't understand that a guy tilted from champ select will instalock a champ they never play just to spite you. oh yeah they'll still try, but they're 100% usually doing it to soft int.
there's always the occasional person who doesn't do it to troll, but those times don't outweigh the ones that are trolling.
complaining about practicing in norms is weird. if they have such an issue with that, then just limit champs in solo/duo and make it unlimited in flex so people can still practice if that's the problem.

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plus it would help a lot with smurfing issues like other people have stated.

mental jacinth
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if you're locking in a champ with 0 clue how to play just to spite someone, that's an entirely different issue

tardy tinsel
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limiting methods of people trolling in ranked is not a bad thing, though.

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that's usually why this is done in my experience.

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i very seldom get someone genuinely trying on a first time champ, and more often soft inting.

mental jacinth
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like, i've started to not care about ranked so i've just been locking in champs that i wanna learn, doesn't mean im trolling or soft inting

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and me saying i don't care about ranked doesn't mean i don't care about the outcome, im still playing to win, i just don't care about my rank or lp

tardy tinsel
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but not caring about ranked does bother some other players who sink a lot of time and effort into climbing. wanting to limit people being able to "for fun" ranked games isn't an issue imo

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i think having to have demonstrated at least a minimum proficiency level on a champion before taking it into ranked isn't necessarily a bad idea. this entirely eliminates players smurfing without hand raising their own accounts with a proper champ pool.

mental jacinth
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ranked is the best place to learn stuff, don't know why you wouldn't be able to do that

indigo sun
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damn this thread is still going

tardy tinsel
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but first timing? learning your abilities and how to use them? thats completely different. that isn't necessary to be learned in ranked.\

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you can absolutely do so in normals.

indigo sun
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soon I'm gonna have children then die and people here are still gonna debate about it

tardy tinsel
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ahh i only just now saw the thread kurei

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its at the top of my highlights lmao

indigo sun
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well it's insane I remember talking here like 2 weeks ago

tardy tinsel
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damn its been that long?

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no wonder i had to watch it scroll so far

mental jacinth
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i genuinely don't see an issue with first timing, it's a video game, let people play how they wanna play

tardy tinsel
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first timing vs learning everything about a champ is a different issue, and this thread's original message was about first timing.

indigo sun
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10 days ago

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well anyway like I said before it's quite literally the only way to be in an environment where you can improve at a champ

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normals aren't taken as serious even at high mmr and good players don't even play normal games

tardy tinsel
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improve, not learn baseline, is the key word there.

indigo sun
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you don't need to be einstein to learn the baseline

tardy tinsel
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high mmr is different than low elo. you need to realize how often that happens in low elo and makes games unenjoyable for players who are now inherently at a disadvantage.

mental jacinth
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who's to say i haven't watched a video on the champ abilities or even taken the champ into practice tool?

indigo sun
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like 5 mins in practice tool with some reading and done

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and ive never even done that

tardy tinsel
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you're both arguing from a high elo standpoint when the game exists at two different playing fields

indigo sun
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because I learned all my champs with pro play

mental jacinth
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if i've taken the champ into practice tool, decently understand the abilities, and then play the champ in ranked, id still be considered first timing

tardy tinsel
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its a quality of life improvement for lower elo, not high elo.

mental jacinth
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you can do anything in low elo

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it doesn't matter

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speaking from experience

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someone who has spent years in low elo

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you can do anything and get away with it

tardy tinsel
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it entirely eliminates smurfing and boosting, which therefore keeps people who paid for diamond+ accounts out of your games. i don't see how that's not a good thing.

indigo sun
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yeah exactly

mental jacinth
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it doesn't matter

indigo sun
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people could just one trick a champ same thing

tardy tinsel
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requiring a baseline mastery level, that is.

mental jacinth
#

you rarely ever see a booster or smurf in games tho

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it's not gonna be something that prevents you from climbing

indigo sun
#

bro a smurf by definition is already a tryharder I don't think he'll care about doing the games

mental jacinth
#

also requiring a mastery level in order to pick or play a champ completely removes picking a champ for someone else

tardy tinsel
#

i see them all the time in low elo rn and definitely understand the frustration. for someone who is a plat level player its actually easy to get stuck in silver/gold by diamond/master+ smurfs constantly happening on both sides.

mental jacinth
#

which is a bigger negative

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are you sure that "smurf" or booster didn't just have a good game lmao

tardy tinsel
#

smurfing is a very big issue which is why Riot is actively trying to fix it with the ranked changes.

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someone with a 70+% winrate is most likely a smurf lmao. they happen very often

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i started late this season so my acc is under 100 games and im seeing it constantly.

mental jacinth
#

i can prob go onto my friends account who has 2k games and just see how frequently actual smurfs appear

tardy tinsel
#

it isnt stopping me from climbing, but i can def understand the frustration

mental jacinth
#

friends account opgg*

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and could do the same with multiple others as well

indigo sun
#

idk why people complain about smurf queue anyway it should be seen as an opportunity to play against better players than anything

mental jacinth
#

smurfs and boosters are not as frequent as low elo players entail

indigo sun
#

people care too much about rank

tardy tinsel
#

people care too much about rank because all this community does is shit on low elo players.

mental jacinth
#

caring about rank and lp is the wrong way to go about ranked

tardy tinsel
#

it literally gives people ranked anxiety lol. this community is toxic towards making fun of players even in the top 10%

mental jacinth
#

who cares what other people say tho

tardy tinsel
#

lots of people do, whether if they admit it or not.

mental jacinth
#

i mean i get called pisslow in d2 which is top 1% lmao

tardy tinsel
#

i used to pride my skill as a player based off my rank and would feel decimated if i deranked.

river gust
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I had a statement that M4 was the minimum

mental jacinth
#

mastery means nothing tho

tardy tinsel
#

mastery just forces ppl to play a minimum number of games on a champ to be able to take it into ranked, removing smurfing ability by limiting the champ pool.

river gust
#

I’ll change that towards

tardy tinsel
#

even moreso than it already is

river gust
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First timing

mental jacinth
#

the thing is, if we're going purely on what the title says

river gust
#

First time in draft or blind or so

mental jacinth
#

there shouldn't be a punishment for playing the game

river gust
#

But second in all about

mental jacinth
#

that's incredibly stupid

tardy tinsel
#

nah i dont think it should be bannable. maybe preventable, but it isn't ban worthy.\

river gust
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Some way of a punishment for first timing

mental jacinth
#

this doesn't apply to me because i've played every champ in the game but

river gust
#

Cause again the soft int out weights the genuine

mental jacinth
#

someone who has 0 games on a champ

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is still able to go into practice tool, watch videos, etc

river gust
mental jacinth
#

go into ranked and play the champ for the first time and still be first timing

river gust
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Yeah ok but practice tool means you tried the champ tho

mental jacinth
#

it's still first timing

tardy tinsel
#

ive seen quite a few ppl instalock in champ select after getting tilted and try to int on a champ.

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its still a soft int

mental jacinth
#

that's different tho

tardy tinsel
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you're intentionally putting your team at a disadvantage. so we remove the ability for people to do that, then that method of soft inting is no longer available.

river gust
#

That

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Even not on purpose you do

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0 match up knowledge can fuxk you up even if you’re good at the lane

mental jacinth
#

i am, and have been, able to first time champs in ranked and still out perform

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game knowledge will mean a lot more than champ knowledge

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like i got autofilled support and still carried on pyke even tho im a vlad otp

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bc my game knowledge was there and i had understanding of what support does etc

tardy tinsel
#

thats wonderful for you, but again, we're talking about a majority of the playerbase which does not have that kind of game knowledge.

mental jacinth
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not because i knew wtf pyke did and knew what his abilities did

tardy tinsel
#

if they did, they wouldn't get stuck in iron/bronze/silver/gold

mental jacinth
#

there are thousands of videos out there in order to educate them

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this games "high elo" rank goes up yearly because of how riot is handling players that can't function properly

tardy tinsel
#

and they will not watch them. they will instalock a first time champ and int your game for fun. i think thats why this person was so mad to make this rant post

mental jacinth
#

next year i guarantee the high elo will be high gm/challenger

tardy tinsel
#

honestly calling high elo above diamond is still dumb because there's def a skill difference between a silver and diamond player.

mental jacinth
#

oh for sure but anyone can hit diamond lol

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i think diamond gets way too much shit

tardy tinsel
#

just because anyone can hit it if they try hard enough doesn't make it not an achievement imo

mental jacinth
#

but diamond isn't all that good either

tardy tinsel
#

still better than literal pisslow

mental jacinth
#

i mean sure, i hit diamond for the first time just this season

tardy tinsel
#

in plat+ i could actually play tank junglers and play to get my teammates ahead

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i cannot do that in low elo because there is nothing to support.

mental jacinth
#

difference between diamond and plat is just ego tbh

mental jacinth
#

low elo games go on long enough for you to scale

tardy tinsel
#

ye i agree with that, but unfortunately i don't have a carry mentality as a player. i much prefer playing supporting roles and peeling for my team, tanking, or protecting them from death.

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low elo feels like hell to do that in tho LMAO

mental jacinth
#

there's still scaling tanks

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that can carry in a diff way

tardy tinsel
#

ye but i dont like toplane

mental jacinth
#

same with support

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jg is included

tardy tinsel
#

support is what im playing rn

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jg feels like shit since the changes two seasons ago imo

mental jacinth
#

support you just play enchanters

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and you climb

tardy tinsel
#

dude im playing soraka with a 100% winrate rn

mental jacinth
#

shocker

tardy tinsel
#

shits crazyy

mental jacinth
#

gj tho

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keep it up

tardy tinsel
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thanks fam :D

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trying my best. i had hella bad ranked anxiety so im trying to at least hit plat by end of season (g4 rn)

mental jacinth
#

also the thing about smurfing, which im gonna have to resort to doing

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it's not a bad thing

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my mmr on my main account is so fucked that i need to smurf so i can actually climb past peak

tardy tinsel
#

smurfing tho if you're bronze or silver makes the game feel like whichever team has the better smurf wins a lot of the time

mental jacinth
#

like i think smurfing to climb higher is fine

tardy tinsel
#

ye but smurfing in pisslow for ego is gross

river gust
#

Don’t smurf in normals and actually try same for already won matches

mental jacinth
#

ego smurfing isn't fine

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i think it's what everyone thinks smurfing is

tardy tinsel
#

ye thats the smurfing im personally referring to

mental jacinth
#

which it just isn't

tardy tinsel
#

the smurfing issues in low elo games is pushing a lot of people to quit playing ranked and stop spending money on the game, which is why riot's trying to fix it

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same with jg. it feels like shit, thats why autofill rates have gone up. nobody wants to do a high risk lower reward role in comparison to other roles

mental jacinth
#

i feel like most people are quitting ranked for the same reason i am

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it's just so unfun to play

tardy tinsel
#

^smurfing makes it unfun for low elo

mental jacinth
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like smurfing isn't an issue, it's just people have mental issues so it feels like ur babysitting instead of playing a game

tardy tinsel
#

smurfing and troll accounts that are bought at 30 to troll games on purpose and go unbanned :')

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as NOCTURNE.

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oh it deleted it

mental jacinth
#

people having bad mental isnt something riot can't fix

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which is the primary issue with ranked

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imo

tardy tinsel
#

i had a yi smurf in my last game i played yesterday who decimated my nocturne on a level 30 account and spammed shit like

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the gamer word ig is the only thing i can say

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starts with an n

mental jacinth
#

ye

tardy tinsel
#

shit like that makes the game unfun

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my nocturne got invaded by a yi and lost

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like

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should not be happening

mental jacinth
#

idk i think it's better to just learn to embrace it

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laugh at them instead of getting mad and giving them the reactions they want

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like personally, if someone is that doing that, wasting their own time, i think it's hilarious lmao

tardy tinsel
#

ye but to ppl climbing on their main...

mental jacinth
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tardy tinsel
#

having that happen even every 3 games is enough to want to just quit

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like personally i think people should be able to report mid-game and if enough people report someone in a game it mutes them

mental jacinth
#

personally don't think people in silver, gold, etc should be taking the game serious enough to get mad at someone doing that

tardy tinsel
#

theyre trying just as hard as you are. elo doesnt matter in that equation

mental jacinth
#

majority are either playing for fun, or stuck with 0 clue on how to improve so they'd rather get mad at people who are improving or smurfing instead of focusing on their own game

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gold and below players, arguably plat and diamond too, have this issue where they think they know everything and will refuse to accept any advice

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they think what they say is correct and so that is what gets them stuck, they will become stuck, play against these players, and blame the system

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it's happened too many times to count

tardy tinsel
#

completely agree, however trolling in any game is unenjoyable regardless of elo. blaming it as the reason for you not climbing is a different scenario than someone being upset that it's happening.

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riot does make very little effort to keep players that are trolling off of the rift.

mental jacinth
#

they've been improving the system for the last year or 2 now

tardy tinsel
#

imo they should just remove co-op VS ai giving experience to players levels.

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thats what most bots are using to get there

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and if someone is botting in a norm it's going to get reported way more often than a co-op vs ai game that has 5 bots in it.

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then we'd have less accounts going around cheaply for people to pay for to troll on

mental jacinth
#

agree

tardy tinsel
#

its a pvp game. you shouldn't get exp from playing against bots anyways

mental jacinth
#

removing xp from bots wouldn't completely remove smurfing but it would def decrease it

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like i have a few smurf accounts that i've gotten for 2-3$ lol

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it's insanely cheap

tardy tinsel
#

thats fucking crazy

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yeah just found a website. $10 for a level 30 acc... insane. hand grinding my alt account took me three weeks

mental jacinth
#

idc to int games to stay in an elo so i usually either play on them til im bored or as far as i can go

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and ppl spam them so there's multiple places to buy them from

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i've said it before

tardy tinsel
#

i just dont want you to get in trouble fam, you seem alright

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just in case a mod reviews the thread

mental jacinth
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tardy tinsel
#

they're usually not paying attn but on the offchance lmaoo

mental jacinth
#

but ppl will spam them so the site isn't able to take them all down at once

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but yeah it's not hard at all to get an acc esp for rlly cheap

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and the accounts usually don't get banned until you reach like masters/gm and even then

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only way to 100% get the account banned is if you ticket it

tardy tinsel
#

im testing it rn

spark osprey
mental jacinth
#

a lot more noticeable

tardy tinsel
#

yeah, and bots would get banned before hitting ranked and ruining those games. probably would be banned withing 4-5 games

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then the accounts would be worthless and people wouldnt buy them, leading to the botters to not make the accounts.

mental jacinth
#

people just ticket those accounts, they get banned, riot starts seeing the algorithm, starts banning bots automatically, etc

spark osprey
tardy tinsel
#

it would ruin it for maybe two months until botters realize they can't sell the accounts bc they're banned

mental jacinth
#

yuumi bots are harder to detect imo

tardy tinsel
#

yuumi bots are a lot harder to detect. put in a ticket and they'll get banned if riot actually gives a shit about botting

mental jacinth
#

yuumi players play like yuumi bots

spark osprey
#

I just think riot's detection system sucks and if they removed exp from bots then draft would become a shit show for lower elo players who enjoy norms

mental jacinth
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would force low elo players to play ranked

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

spark osprey
#

true lmao

lament lintel
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As long as people are playing draft, they won't remove it

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think of places like china (I believe it's china) they don't even have draft, only blind and ranked because nobody plays it, everyone just plays blind until 30 then jump straight into ranked

lament lintel
shut leaf
#

ay its the newfangled lux main

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pog

vast latch
vast latch
mental jacinth
#

sit on someone and afk

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occasionally press e

pulsar holly
#

I’m smelling the birth of another “riot messed up”

tardy tinsel
#

You can have 1 mil mastery and be incapable of piloting a champion

inland nebula
#

mastery jsut means someone plays a lot and nothign else

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i'd rather have someone first time than play their champ with 300 games and 30%wr

tardy tinsel
#

I'm super late again, But a low win rate can be indicative of a lot of things. There are many ways to be bad at League of Legends. If were being realistic 300 Games on a Champion, barring a medical condition, guarantees that the player has at least a surface level understanding of the champ over a first timer who might only get teh champ in thoery (300 Games is more practical experience than a 1, that's not debatable). This why low elo counter picks don't work, they're all theory no practice.

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Id rather have aged shit, over fresh shit. It stinks less.

vast latch
tardy tinsel
little verge
#

I first time fizz and went 20/4

mental jacinth
#

that long ass paragraph was not worth the read

river shadow
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meanwhile koreans dont even play outside of ranked

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i understand tho as normals is such a shitfest

mental jacinth
#

normals ain't worth the time if you're trying to climb

solemn basin
# little verge I first time fizz and went 20/4

First time does not mean First time Rank, you have experience with Fizz from other game modes such as Aram or URF. But again, if it is your actually first time, you got a lucky coin flip

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There is no need to risk that

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Unless you don't care about rank then it makes sense

pulsar holly
#

artillery swain jungle

vast latch
#

i think u might just be a bit special

tardy tinsel
#

Again, there is Theory and there is Application. Reading Fiora's kit for example might impart the importance of hitting vitals, Thats Theory. But a First Time Fiora wont know how best to do that in the most common toplane match ups, That's Practical application. Experience.

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Even if you wanna say that a bad player would still gain that experience slower, any amount of experience is better than none

vast latch
tardy tinsel
#

There are over 160 champions in this game and 40~ of them have been viable toplane picks this year. Understanding that you Q on the shiny part is Theory, we agree that learning that is easy.

vast latch
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only 1 champ is viable this year

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that is fiora

tardy tinsel
#

But learning to do that, safely and efficiently into the toplane roster and understanding their counterplay to you? is Experience

vast latch
#

u dont need to understand any of that the players on this game are shitters u could literally walk up to people spam ur keyboard in minion wave and still manage to win lane

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the people who play this game are low iq failed experiments

tardy tinsel
#

In lower Elos, probably. But The OP isnt saying first timing champs in Gold and Below should be bannable, their saying it should be bannable in ranked in general. so were taking into account that good players exist right now.

vast latch
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and im telling u even in higher elos arent that good

tardy tinsel
#

If you disagree that good players exist, then we cant really have a conversation

vast latch
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good players dont exist in solo q

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if they were good they would be running scrims

tardy tinsel
#

You're welcome to think that

vast latch
#

also not even gonna bother talking to u ur silver 4 LOL

tardy tinsel
#

Took you a while to get there, but i knew you'd say it eventually

vast latch
#

this has to be a derank account no way ur this bad

limpid plover
tardy tinsel
#

extremelly

vast latch
#

how u play 9 games as a duo and manage to lose them all?

shut leaf
#

only viable champ is draven support

vast latch
#

AinViTri 9 0 - 9 0%

shut leaf
#

don’t @ me

vast latch
#

Tru51y 12 1 - 11 8%
AinViTri 9 0 - 9 0%
AceTheVeteran 6 1 - 5 17%
bmanslastchance0 4 0 - 4 0%
BaanBehringer 3 0 - 3 0%
QwesaDia 3 0 - 3 0%
supportive gamer 2 0 - 2 0%

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fuck am i looking at

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bros a liability

shut leaf
#

also kinda a pussy move to bring up someone’s match history to win an argument instead of having a valid explanation

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tbh

vast latch
#

20G 4W 16L

tardy tinsel
#

Ive never seen someone get this scared over an argument

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hes legit panicking

vast latch
shut leaf
#

it’s a discussion channel

tardy tinsel
#

Your position is that good player dont exist in SoloQ

shut leaf
#

so either discuss or gtfo lol

vast latch
#

bc they dont

tardy tinsel
#

you know thats not defensible

shut leaf
#

stop trying to rag on random people for no reason

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it’s just shameful tbh

tardy tinsel
#

So you tried to discredit, before you ahd to defend it

vast latch
#

if they were good they wouldnt be running solo q and would be running scrims

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solo q u can legit int and still get to atleast diamond

tardy tinsel
vast latch
#

almost every solo q player who would be considered good plays scrims more than solo q to improve theres no improving with solo q when u can int and still win

shut leaf
#

and what do you consider good

tardy tinsel
#

I cant argue that, because "Who would be considered good" isnt defined

vast latch
#

someone with there specific pool mastered and macro mastered

tardy tinsel
#

and I could be forgiven for not trusting the guy who said no SoloQ player is good, to Define that

shut leaf
#

topic has passed leave it lol

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now ur the one being disgraceful

vast latch
#

i will literally stream later of me from bronze to masters troll picking ghost cleanse with ultimate bravery runes and builds to show u how easy it is to rank up

tardy tinsel
#

It just doesnt make alot of sense, and i think we haev to consider his past takes when thinking about his current ones

shut leaf
#

where i differ in thought to you is that i draw a distinction between good players and “masters”

tardy tinsel
#

not like hes changed his though process in the alst 3 posts

shut leaf
#

though i agree tbh

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but i don’t think it’s fair to just call the top couple hundred or so who have truly mastered their craft the only good players

shut leaf
#

if you guys just rag on each other all day long you’re getting nothing productive done and you might as well shut up and go play instead

tardy tinsel
#

Youre right, ill only shit on his past takes if his current one relies on it

vast latch
#

can i just go back to laughing at his stats considering he wont discuss?

shut leaf
#

go nuts

tardy tinsel
#

Respond to this.

shut leaf
#

he’s doing the same thing rn anyways

vast latch
tardy tinsel
shut leaf
#

he did answer that btw

vast latch
#

i did define it me and the other dude literally discussed it

tardy tinsel
#

He switched good for " Mastered thier champ and Macro"

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Thats still not well defined

vast latch
#

so u admit i defined it

shut leaf
#

yeah..? that’s his definition which you asked for

mental jacinth
#

shouldn't matter who someone is playing, whether it's first time or not

vast latch
#

well defined and not defined arent the same thing

mental jacinth
#

play ur own game lmao

shut leaf
#

exactly

vast latch
shut leaf
#

everyone can first time draven support and carry

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it’s an op pick tbh

mental jacinth
#

like the christmas person said, id much rather play with someone first timing than a 30% wr 300 game player

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for very obvious reasons

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:)

vast latch
#

bc there too good for u

shut leaf
#

only time i hate someone first timing anything is first timing a role

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not champ tbh

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if you play a role enough you can play any champ in that role recently enough as you know your responsibilities

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not perfectly but decent

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but first timing a role? my god

mental jacinth
#

good thing first timing a role is different to first timing a champ

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👍

vast latch
#

i first time roles every day

tardy tinsel
mental jacinth
#

even tho first time supports do 100x better than on role supports

tardy tinsel
#

that was supposed to be to Kikui

shut leaf
#

i mean yeah that’s why i said decent and not perfect

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what’s your point

vast latch
mental jacinth
#

even otps wont play their champ perfectly

shut leaf
#

the point is no matter who an adc plays they’re still gonna get 8+ cs/min

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even if it’s mf or fucking darius lol

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darius adc also op dont @ me

tardy tinsel
#

Lets consider that First timing a champ is way more likely than first timing a role

mental jacinth
#

first timing a role isn't the current discussion

tardy tinsel
#

you can first time a role 5 times max, Champs thats potentially 160 + times

mental jacinth
tardy tinsel
#

Hes right

shut leaf
mental jacinth
#

i have higher cspm on vlad, but i can easily get 7-8cspm on any other champ

shut leaf
#

it’s more macro and map movement that controls stuff like that

vast latch
mental jacinth
#

my cspm on vlad is like 9cspm lmfao

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atleast now, earlier season i was lacking hard

vast latch
#

there too busy being grey screened by the first time jungle whos camping between there t1 and t2

shut leaf
#

this is why you need a draven support

tardy tinsel
#

Anecdotes are useful, but lets keep them to a minimum

shut leaf
#

you don’t farm wave, you farm jungler

vast latch
#

draven wont save u from my ap rammus

shut leaf
#

based

mental jacinth
#

man i wanna play vlad now, but at the same time i don't wanna play league MA_Abyssal

solemn basin
#

This post is still going

solemn basin
#

Prove your point

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100% you will feed

vast latch
#

I can ultimate bravery the champ and still not feed buddy

shut leaf
#

all i need is a and leftclick

solemn basin
#

I would love to see it

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I'll be sure to remind you when a new champ comes out

vast latch
valid socket
#

Also not feeding is easy

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U can first time a champ while playing offrole and not feed

wraith totem
wraith totem
valid socket
wraith totem
wraith totem
#

like wtf

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they should be exploiting the fact you dont know your champ very well

valid socket
#

The fact is that just not feeding is easy to do

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If you dont take trades

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Are willing to give cs

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Play for the wave to push to you

wraith totem
#

if you are just giving your opponent a free lane

valid socket
#

U wont carry ever but u wont feed

wraith totem
#

you might as well be afk

valid socket
#

Not true

wraith totem
#

and have similar impact

valid socket
#

Existing is better than going 0/8 or afk

shut leaf
#

im drawing a distinction between the REALLY good players that he described like that and good players

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i dont believe that you have to be in the top 1000 to be called decent at league as thats stupid

wraith totem
# valid socket Existing is better than going 0/8 or afk

My point been that you are playing ranked and you are intentionally doing something that you know will put your
team at a disadvantage that is the very definition of griefing is it not? So why should you not be banned instantly?

shut leaf
#

you'd have to be in the top 0.001% of the playerbase

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maybe in terms of mastery you're still bad while in diamond or something

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but relative to the rest? you're pretty good

valid socket
#

not what griefing means

shut leaf
#

even if ur bad at the champ and give lane, fuck maybe they int and you carry

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you're still playing

mental jacinth
#

as long as you don't feed you will be able to get to end game and have good impact

pulsar holly
odd minnow
mental jacinth
#

viego isnt rlly that hard tho

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i may be misunderstanding tho

odd minnow
#

Idk about others but when I play viego, I like to look at every single champ to know what they can do with their abilities

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It makes it easier to know which champ I should possess for the current situation

odd minnow
mental jacinth
#

thats applicable to everyone

mental jacinth
#

ig? its not like ur playing the enemy champ for more than a few seconds

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majority of the time ur taking the soul, maybe doing 1 rotation of abilities, and then pressing r

odd minnow
#

Am I playing viego wrong?

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I usually do about 2 rotations

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Anyways splitpushers are the only ones playing a different game

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While everyone else is playing league, splitpushers are playing "Tower Defense But You're The One Attacking"

mental jacinth
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idk, whenever i play viego its usually like 1 rotation and done

wraith totem
# valid socket you do this by playing your 2nd best pick too

That's super debatable, because a lot of times its hard to have a first/second best you probably main a couple of heroes and the
skill difference between those are close enough its often a coin flip at which one you are better at. Secondly you know both heroes
very well and the slight skill difference may not be enough to account for when one hero combos better with you team or if one hero
just plain counters the enemy. This is very different from first timing a hero because you won't know the matchups if you first time.
However if its your second hero you know matchups very well.

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and regardless if you want to say thats not true, u think picking a 1% worse wr champ with the draft taken into account is griefing

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thats silly

wraith totem
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if you know both heroes well

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and drafts

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you can select the optimal one

valid socket
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and im saying that picking something with a 1% lower wr in ur hands bc u want to play it isnt griefing

mental jacinth
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first timing a champ does not auto mean griefing

solemn basin
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Griefing is the intentions of trolling your teammates to lose a game. Of course this doesn't mean that they aren't griefing, it just determines on what their mindset is when they pick a champ they never played before

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First timing only increases the chances of you losing a lane (unless you're playing JG).

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Again, I exaggerated bannable offense because I was tilted during writing that

spark osprey
solemn basin
spark osprey
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ADC split pushing botlane when baron is up = griefing

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OTP who chooses to first time a champ when their champion is available = griefing

rugged kindle
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1.8k messages wtf

solemn basin
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Yes

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Half of these are off topic conversations

little verge
vast latch