First time champs should be bannable.

[solemn basin]

Match found, I get my main role Mid lane, my main champ isn't banned (let's say Viktor or something). Instead of picking my main or some other champ I know I can play correctly in a lane, I instead run it down and pick a champ I have 0 games with and 0 experience.

Why do people think like this? And the thing is, you're losing LP for this game and it's not punishable because they are "trying" at least to win. Fuck off? Why can't I just play Ultimate bravery and run it down with the excuse of I am "trying" my best when clearly I'm not? Terrible fucking system

[vast latch]

u can just use ultimate bravery lol

[cunning girder]

I'm sensing frustration

[spark osprey]

I think they should make it so you need at least like mastery 4 for a champion to be playable in ranked. This would stop trolls and also stop people from buying smurf accounts

[solemn basin]

Of course I'm frustrated, why the fuck am I punished for someone else's lack of encouragement to play? It's stupid

[vast latch]

people would still buy accounts also m4 doesnt take long unless ur losing all of ur games

[spark osprey]

it would make it more difficult for someone to buy a $5 account and play the champion that they want

and m4 would take at least a few hours

[vast latch]

it really wouldnt lmfao

[vast latch]

and again a few hours isnt long

[spark osprey]

A few hours still ensuring that they aren’t first timing the champ

[celest jasper]

I do that sometimes when autofilled

But I only ever "first time" champs when they're meta as shit

The reason why I put an emphasis on first time is because I've been playing the game for so long that I've mained half of the roster at one point

[river gust]

its fun to try new champs but not in rnaked

why would people do it except to run it down

[river gust]

this could help yes

you cant ranked before lvl 30 so you can at least get some mastery on your fav champs without being unable to play them in ranked if you want to early

[limpid plover]

cope

[storm nebula]

People need to practice anyway. Normals against noobs do not count.

[hallow drum]

No.
End of thread.

[vast latch]

do u know how many hours a day most people who ur referring to play?

[solemn basin]

Practicing and Running it down are 2 different things. The difference is you never played that champion ever, its like someone getting autofilled support or something. Youre not good at that role, so the chances of you losing increases because of that.

Why would I need to practice a champion when clearly my main champion isnt banned?

In a ranked game?

[storm nebula]

I practice everything in ranked. People will gravitate towards their true ranking anyway

it's pointless to play normals where you can win with ease

Different mmr/etc

[dire mountain]

Hol' up - you want people to potentially receive the 14-day ban or even the perma ban all because they lose their first game on a champ they wanted to try out on the premise that you're butthurt over people wanting to try new heroes?

Frustration towards trolling, I understand - but flaming people for wanting to try new things every now and then for a myriad of legitmiate reasons I do not.

[storm nebula]

League is better than forcing people to become acquainted with the champion first in normals (HOTS has that system, also dead game.)

[mental jacinth]

this is how it should be done

lmfao

im not gonna go into a pisslow norms game and try to practice wave management

will get 0 benefit from it

[storm nebula]

besides, read abilities and you're good to go. The rest will come with practice.

practicing vs noobs doesn't do much

[mental jacinth]

yep

which is why the whole "smurfing is bad, just go into norms" argument is completely invalid

[storm nebula]

and wave management is kinda unrealistic cause there's a laning opponent that will just mess up your plans.

yea getting every cs is nice, but good luck trying to do that while dodging skillshots etc.

[mental jacinth]

what?

[storm nebula]

manipulate waves so that everything works out perfectly as if the enemy doesn't exist.

Temporary gains if anything from freezing waves etc.

[mental jacinth]

that is literally what happens when someone who is challenger or whatever goes into norms vs a bronze

challenger player will manipulate the waves perfectly

[storm nebula]

Yea but try manipulating waves against another challenger.

[mental jacinth]

theyll both have equal understanding of what to do???

its not like wave management is completely non existent ?

even against the same elo, u can still have good wave management and win lane off of that?

its how people generate leads from a stale farm lane

that is also how top is played entirely

disregarding champ select

if one top laner has better wave management

they will win the lane

[storm nebula]

if a champion is stronger than the other, then they can deny the other of cs.

[mental jacinth]

ok??

ur point??

like ur saying sutff i already know

[storm nebula]

setting up waves is only valid in certain scenarios, and that differs based on who you face in lane.

[mental jacinth]

setting up waves is only valid in certain scenarios

just isnt the case

💀

[storm nebula]

A bronze player trying to do that will end up exposing themselves where they die against a much stronger opponent.

[mental jacinth]

a bronze player has 0 understanding of wave management

even masters players cant manage waves properly

[storm nebula]

The ideal place for waves differs by matchup.

[mental jacinth]

having the wave in that ideal place is done by wave management

[storm nebula]

Yes, but where people want the wave to be is different depending on who they're playing against.

[mental jacinth]

which again, requires wave management

[storm nebula]

that requires matchup experience which if practicing against inferior people, won't give an accurate picture

[mental jacinth]

yes? thats what i was saying

[mental jacinth]

^^

[solemn basin]

Thats not the point, the point is the discouragement of playing to win. Again read what I said, you have the option to pick your main and you are on your comfortable role. And again, why the fuck am I punished for that?

[mental jacinth]

you're the reason why riot is adding in anonymous names!!!

[solemn basin]

That has to do with nothing in the game

Or the topic

But I guess lmao

[mental jacinth]

you have the option to pick your main and you are on your comfortable role.

riot directly stated in their post that this is one of the reasons theyre adding anonymous names in

gg

anyways, this goes along with one of the other weirdo threads i saw, just play the game 💀 who cares

[solemn basin]

So youre okay with people running it down

Sure i guess

[mental jacinth]

first timing =/= running it down

again, just play the game lmao

dk why ur focusing on other ppl to begin with

focus on urself and u climb

[solemn basin]

Huh?

What?

Obviously?

[mental jacinth]

so then why care if someone is first timing??

[solemn basin]

Because its running it down again?

0 games played with 0 experience

[mental jacinth]

first timing =/= running it down

???

LMFAO

[indigo sun]

he is still crying about it ?

damn

sad

[mental jacinth]

copium post

😔

[solemn basin]

Okay I want to see your thoughts about it

How does it not equal running it down

Lmao

[mental jacinth]

running it down would mean 0 intention to win

just bc someone is first timing doesnt automatically mean they have 0 intention of winning

idk how this doesnt add up

[solemn basin]

Do you not understand what Im trying to say?

Again read the post, you HAVE the option to pick your main

But you dont

[mental jacinth]

ok???

who cares?

[valid socket]

u can pick yuumi jgl first timing and still try to win and succeed

[solemn basin]

So instead you play a champ with 0 experience

[mental jacinth]

if i wanna ranked

but i dont wanna pick my otp bc im bored of my otp

[indigo sun]

yeah but is it viable ?

[valid socket]

@indigo sun ofc not

[mental jacinth]

and i instead pick smth else that id rather play

with the intention to win

[indigo sun]

so yeah I don't get your point

[mental jacinth]

that doesnt mean im running it down

[valid socket]

but that doesnt mean u are playing without intent to try

or win

which op said

[indigo sun]

oh

[mental jacinth]

just bc i pick smth that isnt vlad (my otp) doesnt mean im auto running it down

even tho i have rlly good wr

[indigo sun]

and it's a game

[mental jacinth]

with a decent amount of games

[indigo sun]

if people want to play a certain champ maybe they just want to

[solemn basin]

Okay you have the intention of winning

But why does that matter?

I can go ultimate bravery and have a intent of trying to win

When Im clearly trying

You have better odds of winning when you play your comfortable champ

But you clearly dont want to do that

So you instead punish your teammates

[mental jacinth]

??????

"why does having the intention to win matter 🤓 "

[solemn basin]

Casual use insults in an argument

Typical league player

[mental jacinth]

so

https://gyazo.com/65e8cf56a972c62a63cf11175e51a52b

you're saying

i should be perma locked

[solemn basin]

Lmao

[mental jacinth]

to vlad?

[cunning girder]

yes

how dare you play anything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[solemn basin]

Thats not what Im saying

Listen please

[mental jacinth]

i can not play anything other than vlad?

most games

good wr

damn

[indigo sun]

they just have to ban one of them and it's already an advantage

[mental jacinth]

cant play what i want to

or else im running it

😔

[solemn basin]

You just did with Viktor

Lmao

[indigo sun]

imagine streamers and pros and otps

[mental jacinth]

was trying to learn him

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn basin]

Look prove my point more

[mental jacinth]

not rlly

ranked is a place to learn shit

and before u say go norms

norms is 4fun

[solemn basin]

While you are punishing your teammates for wanting to learn the basics of viktor

When you can go into practice tool

[mental jacinth]

they couldve easily dodged

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn basin]

Learn the combos or whatever

Then Try rank

[indigo sun]

"practice tool"

[solemn basin]

?

[indigo sun]

who are you gonna lane against, a ghost ?

[mental jacinth]

LMFAO

[solemn basin]

Again read what I said

[cunning girder]

bro why are u speakin while u are in game
stop running it down

[mental jacinth]

my issue for both of those games btw

[solemn basin]

You clearly arent reading

[mental jacinth]

wasnt bc i was first timing viktor

i got towerdove

each game

and didnt have a lane to play

lmfao

[indigo sun]

yeah bro play you are punishing your teammates rn

[mental jacinth]

me playing amumu or hec is running it down more than me playing viktor

[solemn basin]

I am playing Ultimate bravery with an intent of winning

So Im not punishing my teammates

[mental jacinth]

you do that

👍

glad ur learning to have fun with a video game

[indigo sun]

there is a difference between going off meta and first timing a champ

[solemn basin]

You are talking about something that happened yesterday and you are continuing it

[mental jacinth]

🤨

i saw the thread and thought i would point out the stupidity of the post

[solemn basin]

How is it stupid when clearly you just proved my point

Lmao

[mental jacinth]

didnt prove ur point at all but ok!

[solemn basin]

Having a negative KDA with an average of 129 cs for 2 games is crazy

Youre definitely trying to win

[mental jacinth]

we still on the whole viktor thing? when i already said i literally didnt have a lane for either of those games bc i got perma towerdove/camped?

[solemn basin]

Okay would it have been different if you had the chance to play Vlad

Yes or no

[mental jacinth]

no

lmfao

[solemn basin]

Yeah just straight up lie there lmao

[mental jacinth]

i mean i can come to ur elo and play viktor

and prob turbo smurf it

[indigo sun]

having a bad game = not wanting to win

damn I would have been banned since a long time then

[solemn basin]

I get that

Everyone has off games

Including me

[indigo sun]

in fact I should be banned just for today

[mental jacinth]

should look at my recent match history

[solemn basin]

The problem is, you are playing a champ with 0 experience and 0 games

Again

How many times do I have to say that

[mental jacinth]

who cares??? its ranked? i wanted to practice and learn viktor? i had the intent to win, so why does it matter

my duo was fine with me playing viktor

my team was fine with me playing viktor

i dont see the issue

[solemn basin]

Of course your duo is fine with it, no shit lmao

Your duo is most likely your friend

Who cares

But we are talking about in general gameplay

[mental jacinth]

still doesnt change the fact nobody in the lobby cared if i played viktor or not

[indigo sun]

and also one game isn't enough anyway

[solemn basin]

Again, it doesnt matter who you play, as long as you have experience with your champ

[mental jacinth]

ykw ima play a decay game

[solemn basin]

You clearly dont with viktor

[mental jacinth]

gonna 1st time... hmm..

[solemn basin]

So instead you just play him to practice

[mental jacinth]

lets 1st time azir

[indigo sun]

in fact depending on the champ you can potentially run it down for 10+ games at least before learning, so what are we gonna do ? lock every champ to 20+ ?

[solemn basin]

Agreeing with what Im saying

[mental jacinth]

gotta play games on a champ to learn

[solemn basin]

Literally

[indigo sun]

no i'm just using your words

because you think playing bad is running it down

[solemn basin]

I clearly never said that

In fact I said everyone has bad games

[mental jacinth]

if i wanna learn a champ

[indigo sun]

yeah so everyone has bad games so it shouldn't be a problem

[mental jacinth]

should i just do what i did with sylas

https://gyazo.com/a3a83b107ea089b7abd862a11c9c858a

where i go on a smurf

and learn nothing

?

[solemn basin]

What are you saying?

Huh lmao

Youre smurfing

That proves nothing

[mental jacinth]

exactly?

[solemn basin]

Because you already have experience with the g ame

[mental jacinth]

if you want to learn a champ

you're gonna have to play it in ranked

[solemn basin]

You dont?

[mental jacinth]

yes?

[indigo sun]

and also normal games are very bad for that

[mental jacinth]

you do

[solemn basin]

You arent forced to play rank?

[mental jacinth]

norms teaches u nothing

[solemn basin]

It does

[indigo sun]

just the fact that you need to play a lot of games to get your normal games mmr up is annyoing already

[mental jacinth]

smurfing teaches u nothing, more than norms atleast, but still nothing

[solemn basin]

It teaches you the basics of your champ

[indigo sun]

playing against pisslow isn't gonna teach you anything

[mental jacinth]

fucking barely lol

[solemn basin]

Clearly you guys dont understand what Im trying to say

Hello

Lmao

[mental jacinth]

im not gonna go into norms

[indigo sun]

you don't need a game for basics

[mental jacinth]

trash on plat players

and be like

hm

i know this champ now

why would i just

[indigo sun]

bro just read the champ sheet idk, watch pros

[mental jacinth]

not go into ranked

play the champ there

who cares if i lose lp

ill get it back

[indigo sun]

especially since viktor is easy af

[mental jacinth]

learn the champ

play more ranked

climb

etc

[solemn basin]

LMAOOOOO

[mental jacinth]

if ur focused on lp

ur playing ranked wrong

[solemn basin]

You literally are proving my point

[mental jacinth]

perma focused on lp

u wont climb

gg!

can almost guarantee ur the type of person to queue into a ranked game and be like.. "hmm how much LP can i afford to lose"

[solemn basin]

I dont care actually

I play rank if I feel like playing

[mental jacinth]

so then who cares what other ppl pick

[solemn basin]

Because I want to win?

Thats why I play rank?

[mental jacinth]

i want to win too?

[indigo sun]

the thing you forget is the guy first timing is also getting punished if he loses

[solemn basin]

So why do you play a champ you dont clearly understand how to play in a lane?

Instead of playing your main?

Lmao

[mental jacinth]

im not going into ranked saying im gonna intentionally lose the game just to learn a new champ

what do you not understand

I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY MY MAIN

I WANT TO LEARN A NEW CHAMP

like

[valid socket]

should faker be banned? he first times picks in kr chall

[mental jacinth]

why are these 2 simple sentences

so fking difficult to understand

LMFAO

[mental jacinth]

all pro players do this actually

[solemn basin]

He is mechanically good with most of the mid laners

[valid socket]

ye

[mental jacinth]

they first time shit in ranked all the time

[indigo sun]

I guess bengi should have been banned after first picking nidalee

[valid socket]

and?

[solemn basin]

You cant compare pro players to this

[valid socket]

the point is u can first pick and perform / try

u can bc they are good but theres the context of their elo too

[indigo sun]

tbh a lot of champs play the same

the issue is with this limit you are restricting the drafting capabilities of a given team

you have 161 champs

[solemn basin]

Okay you are saying I can first time pick Kalista Jungle with the intent of trying and its not considered running it down?

[solemn basin]

I never said this

[indigo sun]

yes but I did

that's your idea

[valid socket]

it doesnt mean that in terms of ur gameplay you are trying to lose yes

[indigo sun]

having a 1 game limit

which by the way isn't enough if we are going by your logic

there are 161 champs in league

[solemn basin]

But that is okay though? Because I clearly want to win

[mental jacinth]

if you have the intention to win

[indigo sun]

you think everyone plays 10h a day ?

[mental jacinth]

it shouldnt matter what you pick

[valid socket]

different question

[mental jacinth]

playing ranked is by far the best way to learn

so if i am wanting to learn a champ

i might as well play ranked

really simple

[indigo sun]

and you are never gonna master a champ by playing against pisslow in normals

[mental jacinth]

nah man i can def master a champ by playing against shitty plat players

👍

[valid socket]

if we go with this i think you should be banned for last picking teemo top with a 0 frontline team as toplane too under your framework

[indigo sun]

i'm saying master because it's only when you are against a better player that you realize how far you are from that

[valid socket]

thats clearly not going to happen tho

so we look at gameplay

instead

[indigo sun]

yeah you think so because you are playing in plat

[solemn basin]

Then there you go

[valid socket]

?

[indigo sun]

if you have to lane against a challenger one day you'll see

[valid socket]

so ur saying being a teemo otp

should be bannable

[solemn basin]

I never said that

[mental jacinth]

only teemo otp that should be banned is Nubrac

[valid socket]

ur saying ur ok with the idea that if you last pick him with no frontline

[mental jacinth]

dont @ me

[valid socket]

that ur banned

since its bad for the draft just like first picking

[solemn basin]

Huh? What does this have to do with what the topic is talking about

You have experience with Teemo

[valid socket]

U ARE saying

[solemn basin]

So why the fuck does it matter

[valid socket]

that if you fp

and ruin the draft

you should be banned

[solemn basin]

I never said that

[valid socket]

?

then ur fine with people first picking champs

[solemn basin]

What are you saying lmao

What?

[valid socket]

that u are saying ppl who first pick bad champs for the draft should be banned

for ruining the draft

[solemn basin]

Are you misunderstanding the statement here?

[valid socket]

no?

[solemn basin]

We arent talking about First pick drafting

We are talking about First time champ

No one cares about First pick

Its whatever you want

[valid socket]

yea for ruining the draft

[solemn basin]

No one cares about the draft

What???

[valid socket]

ok so why does it matter

if they first time

or play some troll pick

as long as they try

no one cares abt draft

as u said

[solemn basin]

No one cares about the draft

Okay

Correct

[valid socket]

ok

so first timing

is fine

[solemn basin]

But youre okay with me First timing Kalista in jg?

But I have the intent in winning

[indigo sun]

it's not meta

[solemn basin]

It doesnt matter

Janna top isnt meta

[indigo sun]

it does

[solemn basin]

But its played

Nerfed now

But it used to be played

[indigo sun]

BECAUSE IT WAS VIABLE

[mental jacinth]

nah it doesnt, u can play off meta shit til challenger

[indigo sun]

it's not anymore because they nerfed it

[valid socket]

i care more that u dont troll ingame with how u play than that u pick something meta yes

[solemn basin]

So?

[indigo sun]

so now it's not viable like kalista isn't

[mental jacinth]

as much as i hate happychimenoises

[indigo sun]

in the jungle

[mental jacinth]

there is a bunch of shit on his yt where he goes over off meta players that have hit master-chall

[indigo sun]

they played it because it was actually a viable strategy that had shown results

[valid socket]

and i care more abt someone last picking teemo without hovering with a 0 frontline team than someone picking janna top

[mental jacinth]

still doesnt change the fact that rengar mid sounds troll

[indigo sun]

has kalista jungle shown results in scrims, proplay, high elo soloq ???

[mental jacinth]

yet someone did it

and hit masters

[solemn basin]

Kalista Jg has a viable strategy

You can form a strategy

Just like Yasuo Jg

[indigo sun]

yeah tell me

now go play a game

[solemn basin]

Whats the problem?

Here

[indigo sun]

okay go play a game and win with kalista jungle

i'm waiting

[solemn basin]

But I cant because I dont play Kalista Jg?

[mental jacinth]

you can win with anything

[solemn basin]

So Im basically throwing?

[mental jacinth]

lmao

[indigo sun]

that's your logic not mine

[valid socket]

what ur saying is that if you ever learn a champ ingame u should get banned

[solemn basin]

I can win a game with Darius Jg but he isnt meta

[valid socket]

for inting

[solemn basin]

No

[valid socket]

?

[indigo sun]

and how do you know if you don't play kalista that you can play it jungle ? you said that to know how to play a champ you need to actually play it ??

[solemn basin]

Not my point

[valid socket]

it is

its what ur point reduces down to

[mental jacinth]

that is literally

what this entire thread

[valid socket]

whether u like that conclusion

[mental jacinth]

is about

[valid socket]

or not

[mental jacinth]

LMFAO

HAHAHA

[indigo sun]

things are meta because verified people have shown proficiency on it

[solemn basin]

Playing first time champ does not correlate into wanting to learn a champ

[mental jacinth]

??????????????????????????????????????????

[indigo sun]

and people as a pretty wide sample

[mental jacinth]

what the fuck

[valid socket]

so the determining factor shouldnt be if they intend to try and win but if theyre invested in learning the champ?

[solemn basin]

Both

[indigo sun]

so then we are done because there is no way riot can know that

thread over

[valid socket]

how does ur attachment to playing the champ in the future matter for u being ingame playing it

[solemn basin]

Good point

[indigo sun]

it's like saying riot should be able to detect soft trolling

[solemn basin]

What are you saying what?

[valid socket]

u think whether they are invested in learning the champ matters for if they should be banned

im asking why that matters

[solemn basin]

It matters because again clearly you HAVE the option to play someone you KNOW how to play correctly in a lane. Instead, you dont care about winning and instead play a champ with 0 EXPERIENCE and 0 GAMES. Again 0 EXPERIENCE and 0 GAMES, so meaning you HAVE never played the champ before, does not mean you have never played a champ in rank. So Im punished for someone that can clearly PLAY their main, but wants to learn a champion

Fraxxer just said it to us

[valid socket]

how does this relate to the desire to keep playing the champ in the future

and to learn it

this is true regardless if you care about learning the champ

[solemn basin]

It doesnt because its fucking irrelevant from the topic

[mental jacinth]

so ur saying i should be banned for picking someone else that i wanna play, and not vlad even tho vlad is open?

[valid socket]

then why say that it matters

[solemn basin]

Yes, youre clearly not trying to win

[mental jacinth]

lmao?

[solemn basin]

You pick someone you have no experience on

Im not saying just Vlad

Stop saying Just Vlad

You pick someone you have 0 experience on

Again

[mental jacinth]

i am saying just vlad because if u actually looked at the screenshots

154 games to 4

also

[solemn basin]

Great

[mental jacinth]

ive played every champ in the game

so

what does that mean?

🤨

[solemn basin]

But is it good mechanically as your Vlad

Or on par

[valid socket]

lol insane standard

[mental jacinth]

LMFAO

[solemn basin]

Lmfao you have a good point

Fuck me

[mental jacinth]

no other champ i play will ever be as good as my vlad, just saying

not my fault vlad is boring as fuck tho

and id rather play a diff champ

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solemn basin]

Okay thats fine, its fair. But my basic point is, can you play a champ you are comfortable with and know the basics

Clearly you arent since you are trying to learn Viktor

So why is that not bannable

Or punishable

At least

[mental jacinth]

damn, so i shouldve been punished for picking viktor?

ill keep picking viktor then

[solemn basin]

If those 2 games were your first 2 games ever with Viktor

Then yes

You should at least be punished

[mental jacinth]

they werent

im m5 on him actually

[solemn basin]

Then there you go

Wtf

?

[mental jacinth]

real shocker that mastery and time played on a champ means jack shit

:O

fucking crazy isnt it

[solemn basin]

It doesnt, but it gives you a hind sight that you should at least know the basics of your champion and how to play him correct?

What Im saying is, its fucking stupid how you can play a champ you never played ever before and you play it on rank

[mental jacinth]

it really isnt stupid

ranked is a place to learn

[solemn basin]

Yes I get that, but why are you punishing players for your learning place?

Why not at least understand the basics then play rank?

[mental jacinth]

ok but

[cunning girder]

cuz they deserve it

[solemn basin]

Like you?

[mental jacinth]

lets say we actually are punishing them

how can we avoid that? lmao

the game forces u to play

with 4 other ppl

there is literally 0 way to avoid

'punishing' them

[solemn basin]

Of course there is 0 way, Riot wants the intention of trying your best on the game. So as long as youre playing to win, youre fine.

[mental jacinth]

so then why does it matter if someone is learning a new champ???

[solemn basin]

Because again, the factor of being able to choose someone you are comfortable with, but instead you run it down with a champ you have 0 experience on.

Same example with me using Kalista JG

I have 0 experience with her, but I still have the intent of winning

What impact can I do? When instead I can play someone good like Ekko

[valid socket]

you can still win with bad picks

[solemn basin]

Of course you can, never said you could

Bad picks doesnt not mean First time champs

[river gust]

First timing should be outside of ranked (on main) to learn the kit

After that you can start learning match ups and that’s where ranked will help

Learning the champs basics or simple tricks you can do in normals or on a smurf

If you’re used to Caitlyn you can play ashe sure, if you play Darius you can play garen

Very similar champs is doable

But I’ll stand by that you shouldn’t first time in ranked at all

You can then also say you main adc and want to first time gp top when you have 0 experience top and 0 experiments on gangplank. Will this result in a loss?

Yes

It’s no different than first timing normally, unless if a champ is very similar to your main

[valid socket]

? what allows u to assert this

ive first timed offrole in ranked and won

its called being filled

[pulsar holly]

Holy shit this has way too many posts already. Who fought where?

Also the average player shouldn’t be able to tell if someone’s first-timing to begin with. Sure, ranked is no place to try new things, but some of y’all get draconic over the very idea of losing LP.

It’s a fucking videogame, grow a few inches and stop throwing tantrums over the smallest shit.

[valid socket]

when you say this the implication i gather is that ur trying to say kalista is a worse pick either since its less viable or because we are assuming a lack of experience so it will hurt ur impact over the game, my point is that you can still impact the game and win. +, if the intention is to try and win, that is what matters, bc picking something to learn it or picking a bad champ isn't/shouldn't be bannable

[valid socket]

ranked is the best place to learn and improve, both when it comes to trying smth new or when ur alrdy experienced

the environment is better suited for gathering more information and if we take other gamemodes to represent these sort of less serious options then they are worse for learning purposes right off the bat

[pulsar holly]

I’m just saying at this point #953796890095411281 should be renamed to #people-bitching-about-ranked

[mental jacinth]

^^^

ranked is literally THE place to learn shit

[pulsar holly]

Alright sure, I won’t refute that. Not my point.

Some people get way too butthurt over the idea of losing LP.

Get over it or get some lube, it will feel a lot better.

[mental jacinth]

i wasn't replying to you but yes

people think losing some LP is the end of the world

[river gust]

how often does this happen? not you necessarily but in general

most players can at least play one champion in every role

[valid socket]

that ppl are filled and first time a champ?

[river gust]

yes

[valid socket]

a lot

[river gust]

oh sorry

meant as in carry/do good

first time and carry

[valid socket]

i never said smth abt carrying just that you arent set to lose

yes its super unlikely that u first time gp playing offrole and 1v9

still winnable

[river gust]

true

but like you can carry most matches with your main

if you first time you cannot carry, its very unlikely at least

[valid socket]

i would say if ur on role with good understanding of the role and not just relying on otp mechanics for climb that u can first time and carry

[river gust]

yeah ok true

but like

i wouldnt count that first timing

it is but if its close to your general go to then it wont be as difficult

one match to get familiar with a kit then you can start doing stuff

if youre bad at mid and first time there ur gonna underperform but if you are a engage supp main and first time another engage supp its not that hard

[valid socket]

yes i think a more valid comparison would be ur an engage support main and pick karma

its different but u have role knowledge

[river gust]

eh fair enough

[mental jacinth]

can confirm, @river gust has seen me first time pyke in ranked

[river gust]

yeah o

that was funny

that wasnt a first time

you had played every champ already

[mental jacinth]

in ranked

[river gust]

youre familiar with the kit even if its one match

[river gust]

not my point but thats true

i mean

if youre good one match unranked to get familiar

than after you can carry in ranked

just purely first timing

if its close to your main type or role then its a bit easier

but first timing is still ass if youre playing something difficult you cant deny that

pykes fucking easy youve learned him when you read his kit while waiting to leash and have to throw out one hook and R to get a feel of it

[lament lintel]

I mean with that take you may as well lock "difficult" champs behind specific ranks lol

not u jungle, replying to op

[river gust]

another argument

if youre willing to learn the champ

ranked is good but you will probably feed your ass off

if youre first timing because you can e.g. nidalee

thats bad

[lament lintel]

Yeah but it doesn't necessarily feel good for the 4 other people wanting to win

[river gust]

yup

[river gust]

all good

[lament lintel]

But yeah could you imagine, to unlock yasuo you need to be at least diamond 4

[river gust]

nah

[lament lintel]

lmaoo

[river gust]

thats an iron4 champ

garen locked for chall players only

[lament lintel]

can apply to anyone really that is somewhat "difficult"

akali, nidalee

[river gust]

true

[lament lintel]

etc

[river gust]

its subjective

mostly

[lament lintel]

I don't think first timing champs should be bannable

as long as you're not playing teemo support in mid lane you're fine

[river gust]

maybe

a pop up in the champ select so a teammate can dodge for less lp loss

?

"first timing" and you can dodge for 50% lp loss normally

[lament lintel]

nah

[mental jacinth]

HAHAHAHAHA

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

WAIT HE GOT BANNED AGAIN?????

LMAOO

[lament lintel]

I don't know

[mental jacinth]

apparently his last stream he was going over him getting banned again

https://gyazo.com/baef2d4d3608335a68c085ac97d2b357

or last vod*

[river gust]

who is it

t1?

[mental jacinth]

Nubrac

the dogshit teemo support player who roams mid/top

[river gust]

ooh

i did hear of them

were they in a match of t1? or it could be someone elses match

[mental jacinth]

idk he hit gm in season 9 bc of elo inflation

[azure magnet]

based

[hallow drum]

fr? Im a prophet if what you're saying is true lol

[pulsar holly]

Ah, there’s some classy shit in here.

[pulsar holly]

Because there’s a vast difference between someone trying something new with thr experience they have and knowledge of the champ from playing against them and someone who’s just trolling.

[pulsar holly]

And they chose the option not to. That’s fine.

[mental jacinth]

huh

[hallow drum]

in another thread i stated "the only decent suggestion here was that summ names should be anonymized"

[mental jacinth]

yeah they're adding it in according to the new riot post

[hallow drum]

you and oui started mocking it even though imo its for the better.

[mental jacinth]

most dogshit change i've never seen

it's just gonna increase trolls

gonna make dodging non existent

idk after this season is done im prob gonna stop playing this shitty game

[hallow drum]

lowering the amount of people perma dodging is good. id like to hear how it increases trolling though.

[mental jacinth]

how would it not? it's not like people can see ur ign to look you up and see that you have a 20% wr

[pulsar holly]

Anonymous names just makes it harder to report someone if you ask me.

I get the idea, they wanna reduced targeted harassment, especially in higher elo’s where it’s really bad, but something tells me desktop apps will ignore the new anonymity filter

[mental jacinth]

not to mention, the same thing i've been saying

where if someone otp gets banned and they go mental boom

[pulsar holly]

I don’t think it’s gonna increase trolling but I don’t see it deterring it in elo’s where it’s a problem.

[mental jacinth]

they'll just pick 10% wr champ

id rather not play with a >45% wr player

tyvm

[pulsar holly]

Like again, something tells me that desktop apps are gonna give you info on your ADC’s name if they hide it or not.

[mental jacinth]

plus my dodge list is gonna go to shit now

spent time making it :/

[pulsar holly]

Never a better way to learn than in the field. Bots will only breed mistakes, playing where everyone takes the game seriously (or are supposed to) is the best place to learn.

[hallow drum]

that's easily resolved by changes to API. or riot straight up saying to the third party programs to enforce the anonymization.

[pulsar holly]

I mean that’s a great plan, do I see riot doing this? I don’t think I’m willing to give them that kind of credit.

[hallow drum]

it's on the OTP to dodge. if they want to do that you can just report and play the game. i think there's a middleground that can be met such as with the statement above.

Plus your 'dodge list' is the reason why im in queue for 30+ minutes because people are to petty to let things go and play the fucking game 🙃

[mental jacinth]

nah, the players i have on there are there for a reason

rather save 20-30 minutes and 12 lp and take the -3

than play with them

[hallow drum]

unless they're all like straight inting or wintraders that list shouldnt exist in the first place.

if you have it because someone said something rude to you then idk what to tell you

[mental jacinth]

they're straight inters

[hallow drum]

bad play =/= inting or running it down

[mental jacinth]

not bad play

like

[hallow drum]

which is it

[mental jacinth]

actual inters

had one of them run it down bc someone told them to come gank

also had one run it down, nothing was said, bc he died once

another soft inted

very blatantly obvious if u rewatch the vod

[solemn basin]

Obviously, youre coin flipping a champ in hopes you do good for the FIRST time ever playing a champion on a role. You can still have luck in doing good, nothing is ever 0 or 100. Again, the main issue is trying a champion for the FIRST TIME EVER and going into a rank game, youre going into a mindset that you dont obviously care if you win or not even if you have the intentions of winning because your main goal is to learn the champ

And what I meant was saying, Kalista JG can work, but in a sense where I have a possibility to play any other champ that I have experience with is much better.

In this case I said Ekko because I have much more experience with him than Kalista. Not saying Kalista JG is weak or unplayable, even though it is the case

[pulsar holly]

Darling I’m sorry, you can’t speak for the mindset of other people. Trying something new does not mean someone doesn’t care.

[solemn basin]

Huh? It literally does, if someone has a possibility that can choose to pick an experienced champ they play, why wouldnt they pick it if they want to win? Why would they want to coinflip a win, when they could instead make their possibility of winning higher by playing a champ they are experienced with? Explain to me boo

[pulsar holly]

Well, I have the most experience with swain, but I’m not gonna be caught dead playing him into Xerath. So point A: bad matchup.
Point B, someone trying something new is still perfectly capable of putting in their all, and applying their previous knowledge to the champ they’re now trying. playing someone for the first time does not mean you’re playing league for the first time.

Third, you have a right to play someone else. You’re not obligated to play your best champ 100% of the time. I consider myself a Swain one-trick but that doesn’t mean I don’t try other champs or even have other champions I enjoy playing.

I get where you’re coming from, don’t get me wrong.

It’s frustrating that someone could do better on someone else and they instead do worse because they tried someone new.

But that’s not the end of the world or anything.

And it hardly seems like a bannable offence.

Amongst win-trading, dodge abuse, rampant toxicity and et-cetera, “trying someone new in a competitive environment” is basically akin to jaywalking.

[solemn basin]

Correct, you arent obligated to play your best champs all the time. You made good points about bad match ups, but the thing is, thats the problem of being a one trick. And I understand one tricking can lead to this case, which I know isnt fair for someone getting banned because they have 0 experience with a champ. The main issue is the vast majority of players usually tend to have at least 3 champs they are comfortable with in a role, so if you do have a bad matchup, you can freely switch like what you said. In this scenario, this is okay to play a champ with 0 experience. But again, most of the players that do play off champions, they arent doing it for the team, they are doing it for their own good in learning a champ. Thats what is frustrating, again hence youre punished for people playing like this

I dont care about LP or anything, but if youre going to play like this, whats the point?

Youre ruining people's games for no reason

[pulsar holly]

I mean the point is rather simple. Trying something new.

And trying something new is not inherently “ruining peoples games for no reason”

It’s a gamble to try something new in a competitive environment, but there’s no better place to get a grasp on how well you can use a champion than where everyone is (supposed to be) taking it seriously.

And sometimes you surprise yourself and others. I never thought I’d be good at zac but he’s actually been one of my better junglers since picking him up.

And at the end of the day, it’s a game. Worse case, you lose a match. So what?

You lose a couple imaginary points of self-validation. Get in another match and earn em back.

[solemn basin]

I get that, you want to learn a new champ in a competitive environment, but why pick a champ blindly into a competitive environment when instead you should play a normal or at least practice tool to get the hang of a champion first before doing so. Not that I hate people trying new champs, its the fact they are not willing to take into consideration practicing before learning in a competitive environment. And youre right about I shouldnt be caring about this one match, in fact, I dont care if this happens in one match of my daily games. The issue is the occurring event of this, just like streamers with their stream snipers etc

Its annoying

[pulsar holly]

Well one who’s to say they haven’t. I highly doubt most sites or apps record practice tool games, and they may not consider LTG’s, or even ARAM or norms games into the amount of times they’ve played a champ. It’s also likely not blind selection, it’s an active choice made, and if it’s done in ranked, it’s likely by someone who has seen, and has a basic grasp on what this champion does. It’s likely not as much of a blind gambit as you’re making it out to be.

[spark osprey]

I think players that only play norms don't play ranked because they would rather tell someone they are unranked rather than telling them they are iron/bronze and getting laughed at

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-wth-wtf-really-meme-gif-17151805

[stark dagger]

If you haven't ran a champ a few times in normals it's definitely a blind gambit

Because you're missing the nuance needed to succeed

Like you'll lose counter pick match ups because you don't know what you're doing

[pulsar holly]

Not necessarily. You may have the experience of being on the receiving end of that matchup, and a decent idea of what you can do to put it in your favour.

[valid socket]

having the intention of learning is not contradictory with having a mindset of wanting to win

[limpid plover]

to try something new and play a videogame to have fun

[azure magnet]

if you have not played a champion in norms or ranked ever and its purely a first time then i think thats an issue

but theres no way to prevent that, because if u go the route of disabling all champs u havent played yet, you subsequently remove the ability to trade champs in champ select

[river gust]

thats very true but how often do people trade? i barely see it happen or make a difference

[azure magnet]

i see it occasionally, but it does happen and its a strategy so im not comfortable removing the ability to do that

[jade cairn]

Well, the ranked games can be improved if Riot just allows only those champions to be played in ranked on which people have quite some experience playing so they cant choose those champs they never touched in their life. This will let people to play few other champs if their champs get banned they play on other they have experience on.

[pulsar holly]

This is the worst take so far.

“Literally lock people from choosing any champ they have little to no experience on”

Might as well just say being an OTP is a bannable offence.

[jade cairn]

Yup

Now days i am seeing new bot lane combos Idk what to do about that recently there was thresh and taric lane and we lost the match.

now there was fking vieger and nasus Oh my lord.

[pulsar holly]

Do I really need to explain why this is a bad idea?

Let’s start with some players basically being forced to throw or dodge if their fucked out of their champ-pools, and let’s follow up with, where do we draw the line of “experienced” on a champ. Mastery four? Five? Means pretty much no one’s gonna have a decent champ pool for ranked before account level 100.

This idea is very poorly thought through.

[jade cairn]

Yup i agree my idea is kinda flop

[pulsar holly]

My brother in Christ, you suggested the idea.

[jade cairn]

sorry i have bad English if its hard for you to understand

[pulsar holly]

You confidently suggest an idea, and drop it as quickly as you brought it up the moment someone punched holes through it. You confuse me.

[jade cairn]

nah i wasnt able to understand the upper statement sorry

i read it again

[jade cairn]

So the riot were introducing the MMR system will it really improve the match making ?

[pulsar holly]

Darling MMR is and has been a thing for a while. Short answer, sure, though some people wish it didn’t.

Prolly the Same kinda people who think SBMM is a bad mechanic…

[vast latch]

u can get alot of champs to m5 before level 100 lol

u acting like it takes years to get m5

[tardy tinsel]

yeah but the problem with that is if you have a champ you would like to one trick you can’t because you have to get 2-3 picks for ur lane to m5 aswell as atleast 1 pick for every other role m5

it’s a dumb idea as most people can first time a champ and perform decent, not good but they won’t sprint if they are decent at the game

[vast latch]

u dont need another pick for another role just dodge if u get autofilled

and im confused y would u need 2-3 and not 1? would it be riot barring unless u had 2-3?

[tardy tinsel]

if ur main gets banned

you have to have other picks

there’s a chance multiple people from ur lane get banned

aswell as terrible matchups

and yes you do need picks for other roles, play the game if you get filled

[vast latch]

then u dodge

[vast latch]

if its a terrible matchup for u then u ban the pick

[vast latch]

u dodge if u get filled

[tardy tinsel]

why would you ban a bad matchup for one of your back up picks

as opposed to ur main pick

[tardy tinsel]

no lmao

[pulsar holly]

This is a terrible solution. “your champ gets banned?Take the L and wait out a suspension” is not a viable way to go about it.

Riot already doesn’t want, and harshly cracks down on deliberate dodging, this solution is so counter intuitive it’s actually almost funny.

[vast latch]

u dont need to wait our a suspension just queue on another account

its not hard

[pulsar holly]

no

[vast latch]

yes

[pulsar holly]

You are suggesting we solve the problem with another problem

[vast latch]

having another account isnt a problem

[vast latch]

one account ranked users are the problem

[pulsar holly]

Having to also crank out champs on that account to use them in ranked is. This “solution” is literally just as much an issue.

And having four other accounts to dodge the time away is exactly why riot keeps cracking down on dodging, fuckers like you hear riot go “hey knock it off” and directly ignore it.

[vast latch]

what r u on about u can use any champ in ranked if u own them

[vast latch]

bc im not gonna play ranked and not have multiple accounts

[pulsar holly]

Are you not following the conversation you joined?

[vast latch]

it makes queues go fasters it makes it easier if i need to dodge

[vast latch]

no bruh fuck i look like

[pulsar holly]

Deliberate dodging is a problem in and of itself, but that’s an argument for another time.

[vast latch]

and y is it a problem buddy

[pulsar holly]

The conversation was “let’s just make it so you can only play champs you’ve an acceptable amount of experience on” and your argument is “nah bro you can plau whoever you want in ranked”?

[vast latch]

my argument is that u dont need to know multiple champs and roles to play ranked like u all keep claiming

[pulsar holly]

It’s not like we don’t have the thread three times a week. Extended queue times, people get frustrated, the overall quality of games gets reduced?

[vast latch]

if u get frustrated at a video game sounds like a u problem ngl

[pulsar holly]

You do if we go for the idea sesky suggested, which is the conversation you butted into.

[vast latch]

quality of games is reduced if u have someone autofilled and first timing a champ

[pulsar holly]

I’m getting fucking baited. I’ve got better shit to do with my morning.

[vast latch]

u lose the argument so u claim u got better shit to do goodbye bucko

[pulsar holly]

I’ve sure as shit got something better to do than argue with someone who’s got no intention to listen.

[mental jacinth]

having multiple accounts isnt an issue lol, dodging and going onto another account isnt an issue

i dont understand the argument here

[solemn basin]

What did I create 💀

I didn't expect this to turn into this way

[hallow drum]

when you create a thread with a shit opinion it will blow up.

[solemn basin]

My opinion seems reasonable, not to the extent of bannable, but some degree of punishment. I exaggerated bannable because I was frustrated during the time of writing that

[mental jacinth]

nope

[odd minnow]

I think first timing in ranked should be punishable because it reduces the overall quality of a game

Especially if you don't know what you are doing

[exotic tundra]

may have been brought up before, but why not have a certain mastery level requirement before you can play a champ in ranked

not mastery level 7, but maybe 4

[odd minnow]

That does make sense

Mastery 4 doesn't take a lot of time to get

[exotic tundra]

yah, instead of having to go through the whole ban system, you prevent it from occuring in the first place

[odd minnow]

But it ensures that you're playing a champ that you know

[exotic tundra]

plus this would make buying accounts harder since the person who buys it would still have to get a mastery on their own specific champ before smurfing

[tardy tinsel]

it would take them maybe a day

probably less

[exotic tundra]

If you get around S ranks consistently it would take around 15-20 games

it's a balance, I think after 15-20 games of a champ you should be able to bust it out in ranked

[tardy tinsel]

ur rank doesn’t affect how much mastery you get

it’s game length and victory or loss

[exotic tundra]

you mean grade? S, A, B, etc. I hsouldn't have used term "S rank", it's technically grade
the lol wiki says grade affects champion points received

[ebon cove]

yeah i agree at least M4-5 before taking it to ranked

[mental jacinth]

mastery doesn't mean shit

literally one of the most useless metrics i've seen people try to use to either determine skill or knowledge someone has on a champ

[pulsar holly]

It’s timegating champs for the sake of timegating champs at that point.

[pulsar holly]

The deliberate dodging is an issue, the alt accounts is just people circumventing the punishment without actually respecting the punishment.

[mental jacinth]

don't thing deliberate dodging is an issue at all

and the "punishment" is literally 5 min wait time

[pulsar holly]

Until it’s a half hour one

And then a twelve hour one.

People don’t view it as a punishment they view it as the amount of times they can do it in a row and that isn’t the point of it

[mental jacinth]

don't know if id consider dodging a punishment at all tbh

it's def more of a reward

[pulsar holly]

it’s not supposed to be and that’s part of the issue

[lament lintel]

Well that's why names are being anonymized in champ select, no?

[pulsar holly]

Riot doesn’t want you to dodge. It’s not a mechanic

[mental jacinth]

lost game, you dodge and you only lose -3 (or -10)? god damn that's good, you're forced to wait 5 minutes up to 12 hours before you can play again? good for the mental

[lament lintel]

to prevent the issue of third party tools and apps giving you insight into your teammates to prevent coming to conclusions that make you end up dodging

[mental jacinth]

it's so fucking stupid

[lament lintel]

right now, dodging has literally no downsides

[mental jacinth]

riot wants to prevent people getting harassed over their wr and what not

but overall negatively affecting everyone else

who the fuck cares, you'll still get into games

stop being a little cry baby bitch and maybe get better at the game

[pulsar holly]

It also means everyone gets yeeted back into queue, it wastes everyone’s time, and lowers the overall quality of the game, which is all around frustrating.

I don’t wanna spend 10 minutes waiting for people to get together when I coulda been 5 minutes into lane if we had just went the first time.

[lament lintel]

Being harassed over your rank/WR etc is already bad enough as it is

[mental jacinth]

it's the same shit with them making the game easier

[lament lintel]

that's not a bad thing

[mental jacinth]

it wastes

approximately

3-5 more minutes of your time

and saves your lp

boo hoo

cry more

my fault for not wanting to play with the very obviously tilt queueing jg

or the very obviously trolling mid

[pulsar holly]

It’s not supposed to be an LP saviour either.

Dodging is for when something comes up and you need to leave right then and there, six minutes to half an hour is fair because if you need to leave on short notice there’s likely a chance you’re not coming back before thst.

[mental jacinth]

or the very obviously boosted adc

[lament lintel]

I mean I'm not gonna lie I've been dodging more frequently too when I've seen a teammate that I judge will probably shit the bed or because they are like 35% WR tristana mid or something but I still think dodging is a problem with the game

[pulsar holly]

People like you are 100% the reason why Anon names are being added.

[mental jacinth]

what? my mid is picking his 0% wr 15 game nunu

[lament lintel]

I don't think anon names fixes anything either

[mental jacinth]

that builds mobi boots and aether wisps

is that not an obvious troll? or just incredibly off meta

hmmm

i wonder

[pulsar holly]

I think it will probably reduce targeted harassment and that on its own is a plus.

[lament lintel]

nothing stops you from actively searching up everybody's name in load screen on op.gg and reading their shit

[mental jacinth]

people who intentionally derank, troll, and go on tilt queues deserve to get flamed

[mental jacinth]

this is where intentionally remaking games come into play

which ill gladly start doing

[pulsar holly]

Not everyone who’s doing poorly is trying to troll your game, Fraxx.

[lament lintel]

People will always use extremes to describe the situation

[mental jacinth]

soft inting is a thing and it is very clear who is soft inting and who isn't

[lament lintel]

I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be

but it definitely does exist

[mental jacinth]

nobody dodges in pisslow

[pulsar holly]

I call bullshit on that

[mental jacinth]

you don't even play ranked

[pulsar holly]

Some people will dodge over just seeing a certain champ.

[mental jacinth]

literally nobody dodges in bronze/silver/gold/plat

[lament lintel]

I play ranked

I dodge

I'm s3

I don't do it often

but I have

[mental jacinth]

in the 200 or so games i have fucking around in silver with a friend of mine

[lament lintel]

There are some games where I'd rather not have a 30% WR trist mid lane

[pulsar holly]

I wonder why? Maybe because your the fortieth person who’s made it sound fucking insufferable

[mental jacinth]

i've had maybe 10 games dodged

[mental jacinth]

cope

who cares what someone says online

shouldn't affect you

[lament lintel]

only other time I might dodge is if someone is on a like 5+ game loss streak

[mental jacinth]

tilt queuing

gonna be a real big issue when anon names come in

these fucks will get away with it and ruin more games

bc they have a crippling addiction

and can't help it but press queue

[lament lintel]

I mean I agree, nothing stops you from just looking at people's names in the loading screen and getting tilted that it turns out they are some low WR or loss streak player

[pulsar holly]

I think you’re overreacting, but that’s been the general reaction to everything new theyre adding.

“Bot needs to get one more minion every 33 minions to get as much XP as they are now next season”

[lament lintel]

people who are gonna leave and afk because of something they don't like they will do it at any stage

[mental jacinth]

i mean if dodging becomes useless ill just start forcing remakes

its not hard to do

[lament lintel]

whether it was before the game starts with champ select or after they start and check people's names

[mental jacinth]

loses me some more lp but atleast ill be helping the better cause

[pulsar holly]

You my friend, are half of everything wrong with diamond+

[mental jacinth]

anything to save my mmr :)

[pulsar holly]

You’d give up your firstborn for four LP stfg

[solemn basin]

LMAO

[mental jacinth]

nah idc about lp

i care about my mmr

ill derank to silver through remaking and dodging just to maintain my mmr

[solemn basin]

Masters?

[pulsar holly]

I mean you’re quitting next year so power to you.

[mental jacinth]

yeah dogshit game is becoming worse

what a shocker

[pulsar holly]

I’m gonna go ahead and have fun when all my champs are meta c:

[lament lintel]

I mean complaining that it's getting easier is gatekeeping as its finest tho

[pulsar holly]

Finally, someone said it.

[mental jacinth]

game was already easy and riot is making it easier

[lament lintel]

and?

[pulsar holly]

You say it like it’s some terrible thing.

[mental jacinth]

riot is doing it the wrong way :)

it is

jgling has 0 skill expression now

and its not like its hard to make the game player friendly

maybe improving the tutorial?

thats a great start tbh

[pulsar holly]

???
You mean farming isn’t a pain in the ass. Half of jungling is still actually contributing something to the gank.

[lament lintel]

I wouldn't say the friendly-ness of the game is a game issue personally

lol

[mental jacinth]

you do realize "farming" requires pathing

pathing requires knowing what lanes to gank

knowing what lanes to gank requires setup etc etc etc

thats all gone now

so gg

:)

[pulsar holly]

“Jungling doesn’t need an encyclopedia to play anymore, trash game”

I’m not even gonna go into that one.

[lament lintel]

and you think the new changes to jgl pathing recommendations are gonna give you perfect pathing recommendations throughout the entire game?

or do you think it'll be first clear pathing only

I do hate some of the specific shit they've prevented like double camping

[mental jacinth]

if you genuinely think riot is going in the right direction here with making the game easier, then i have nothing to say to you

theyre doing it the entirely wrong way

[lament lintel]

but I think for autofilled players who don't play jgl will finally have a way to ease into the role

[mental jacinth]

but go you

[lament lintel]

cause it's dumb to say "oh if you get autofilled jgl, just dodge"

[pulsar holly]

They’ve totally overshot with how good the pets are. Yuumi being able to solo dragons is… something else, but making the role more accessible and more viable for more champions means the meta cracks wide open. Suddenly we see meta’s not ruled by two champs a role.

[lament lintel]

they've already fixed that

and that's irrelevant personally

[mental jacinth]

yuumi being able to solo dragon is completely irrelevant lol

[lament lintel]

^^

Yuumi isn't a jgler and never will be

unless you're actually trolling

[pulsar holly]

I just like bringing it up, shits funny.
I love preseason it brings out the nonsense of this 🍝 coded mess of a game.

Not my point either way.

[lament lintel]

gotcha

either way, I think jgl improvements are great, double camping is gone which fucking sucks

but overall I think it's a net positive for easing people into the role

[pulsar holly]

My point is, making a role that’s been infamously hard to get into more accessible to more people and more champs is overall a good thing.

I will never understand how people correlate “game getting easier” to “game getting worse”

[lament lintel]

especially those who have never played it nor wish to play it in ranked

and saying just dodge if you're autofilled defeats the point

I believe so, the pets make clears really nice iirc

[mental jacinth]

me saying "making the game easier is dogshit" =/= "making the game more accessible is dogshit"

just saying

:)

[lament lintel]

I know what you're saying

But you've not really provided a better solution

[mental jacinth]

again, first and foremost

how about we improve the tutorial?

[lament lintel]

improving the tutorial won't do shit

[mental jacinth]

it just will

[lament lintel]

what do you think they should add then?

[mental jacinth]

the tutorial doesnt even go into anything related to laning or knowing how to jg, etc etc

its so fucking useless

[lament lintel]

okay so you suggest laning shit like wave management tutorials etc?

jgl pathing tutorials?

[pulsar holly]

Sure yeah, improve the tutorial has been something people throw around a lot. The tutorial is miserable. other things besides the tutorial can be improved

[pulsar holly]

The tutorial would suddenly be two hours long with shit like that.

[mental jacinth]

another thing, how about we unlock all summoner spells lol

having smite locked at level 9 is useless

[lament lintel]

I mean everyone's bitching about jgl changes but I'm still confused why smite is a level 9 or 10 spell to beginw tih

YEAH

like tf is that

[mental jacinth]

nobody is gonna learn how to jg or anything like that from level 1 to 9

[pulsar holly]

This shit barely matters. Last summons is smite at what, nine? Blinds players don’t even use jungle before account level fifteen.

[mental jacinth]

it just does matter?

players are literally barred from even ATTEMPTING to play jg

until level 9

[lament lintel]

I think the game has been out long enough and with these new jgl changes

literally just unlock all summoner spells

[mental jacinth]

an idea that i was talking about with some friends in another server

[lament lintel]

it is not fair for new players to have ghost and w/e else at level 1

[mental jacinth]

which i know will never ever happen

[lament lintel]

and then play against players with flash ignite

it simply just isn't it

[pulsar holly]

Problem is nice QoL’s like that don’t make riot any money, and that’s the shit they care about these days.

[lament lintel]

I mean, they are adding communication QoL changes

and QoL changes to get people into jgl role

I think they do care

[pulsar holly]

Yesnt.

[lament lintel]

but they are overlooking simple shit

adding communication QoL changes doesn't make them any more money than they are already making

[mental jacinth]

riot isnt the one who is money hungry btw

just saying