Toplane

[icy pier]

I do actually think Aatrox is close to balanced

He’s slightly overturned but he’s not a braindead press buttons champ

[vague wind]

Kennen

His engage is strong but he can’t get to you instantly and he’s squishy

[icy pier]

I think some of the harder champs are in a fairly balanced state too

[vague wind]

His dmg is good but not overbearing

His Cc is nice but has a requirement

[icy pier]

I don’t see enough kennen to have an opinion on him lmao

[rigid summit]

Kennen is a ranged top laner

[icy pier]

Usually beat his ass up so early they afk under turret at the 3rd wave

[rigid summit]

So automatically imbalanced and should never be played

[icy pier]

True

[vague wind]

Kennen mid then

[rigid summit]

Kennen mid is fine because then he's a ranged mid laner and not ranged top laner

[icy pier]

I might have a small bias but I think riven and like kled are on the more balanced side right now

Olaf also feels balanced?

Top is a lot of counter picking and either you’re good at a champ or the champ is dogshit

The only good blind picks are the strongest ones like Darius Aatrox and Shen

[burnt nymph]

I’d say chogath

[ocean sphinx]

Urgot is pretty balanced

His win rate has maintained ~51% in avg play and ~50% in high elo for a long time

Urgot remains a strong champ to otp with low pickban

[frigid glacier]

none

[burnt nymph]

We work out fingers to the bone complaining about a game that will never be fixed. I must show you all that their more to life than this

[elfin owl]

My man take off that hat, thats the biggest cap i've ever seen on a human. How do you carry that around?

Kled i can understand but you straight up capping if you say riven is balanced...

[icy pier]

I’m saying that because she’s very hard

You can’t really win lane if you’re bad at her but will if you’re good

That’s not necessarily healthy but better than a difficult champ that is so strong you don’t need to perform well

Usually when I see a bad riven win a lane is because the opposing side is playing right into her and not respecting her strengths or abusing her weaknesses

I wouldn’t call her broken for that even if she might be if you’re amazing at her

[elfin owl]

My problem is this exactly, i just have an agenda against the champ since i have a masters friend that otps riven. That champ is just disgusting in the right hands. I guess im a bit biased too lol

[icy pier]

I get that

But like you can’t pick her up mid elo and expect to do good until a lot of practise and experience

You can first time most juggernauts and climb

So like in my eyes that’s more balanced than a braindead strong champ you can first time and win with

Same goes for irelia but she’s slightly worse than riven

[elfin owl]

irelia i can kinda understand..

[icy pier]

Why?

[vague wind]

Irel=bortk win game

[frigid glacier]

el revor

[icy pier]

Irelia vamp scepter = win game

[elfin owl]

Well i think irelia is in a fine state right now, if you know how to play the champ to a well enough degree she will always be strong if you play right(compared to a while ago when any1 could pick her up and do relatively well). Maybe thats because there are just better champs in top that completely overshadow her and will keep her behind if they get fed cough cough darius, aatrox, etc fuck that guy. But thats how i like it, fuck irelia

[icy pier]

Good points

[elfin owl]

I just dont like stat checkers in general, they can miss all of their abilities and be rewarded with a kill.

[icy pier]

She’s weaker than Riven yeah

[icy pier]

Is she a stat checker?

[jagged sparrow]

teemo

[copper totem]

personally i think the most balanced top laners are darius, fiora, and tryndamere. the most broken one is probably ryze

[icy pier]

Nah

💀💀

Bro

Not the overturned bully, French menace and stat checker with 5 sec R

[icy pier]

Ryze broken as in strong or weak?

[elfin owl]

Yeah i would like to think so, all she needs is 4 stacks on her Q and can 1v1 most champs lvl 1 and win(excluding darius, trynd, other statcheckers). If thats not stat checking then idk what is

[icy pier]

I mean

[copper totem]

what do you mean they are all completely reasonable, i personally think darius needs another 200% on his W ratio

[copper totem]

ryze strongest champ in the game rn wym

[icy pier]

Stat checking is more so if I have bigger numbers I win and she has to build up its like Jax or Kayle passive bit easier to use

[vague wind]

Make his E slow 99% for 5 seconds

[icy pier]

I’m just gonna ignore this I don’t want to think about Darius buffs

[elfin owl]

Basically nasus W

[icy pier]

But W and Q mixed of Nasus

[copper totem]

his passive should just auto stack to max tbh idk why they make you hit 5 times

[icy pier]

Make his R his W and his W his auto attacks

Perma slows 5 stacks every hit

[copper totem]

in the time it takes darius to hit you 5 whole times Ryze can EQ once

thats just too long

[icy pier]

Is it tho

xd

You know Ryze needs to EQ 8x to get a kill

Darius does the same but auto attacks

[copper totem]

wym Ryze EQ is literally the strongest combo in the game

i once saw it do 3% of the hp of a nasus who was down 5 levels

[icy pier]

No way

[elfin owl]

i will stand by the fact that i believe that some champs are fine at certain winrates. Ryze for example is balanced at his 43% wr

[icy pier]

Where’s the nerfs

[copper totem]

right???

[icy pier]

Agreed

[elfin owl]

I am not trolling when i say this, i am 100% serious

[icy pier]

No I agree

[copper totem]

as a yas top lane otp i think yasuo is a legitimately balanced top laner

[elfin owl]

Ap adjustments will make him too strong since he already has too much utility, buffing ability haste will do the same, etc etc etc

[icy pier]

Winrate isn’t everything either but a good example

[vague wind]

He’s worst in top than mid so yeah

[elfin owl]

Ryze just needs to be reworked again tbh

[lavish zenith]

not really hes just shit

[icy pier]

Melee mid in top is fun

Akali and Yone as well

[copper totem]

70% wr

on yas top

[vague wind]

I love akali top. Akali top>mid

[lavish zenith]

ok?

[vague wind]

Just bully all the juggernauts

[icy pier]

Ikr??

[copper totem]

FACTS

[icy pier]

Yeah you get it

[copper totem]

akali top is fun

[lavish zenith]

akali players 🤓 🤓

[icy pier]

Hella fun

[vague wind]

Like it’s so unplayable for enemy

[icy pier]

Depends who but yes generally

Deserved

[lavish zenith]

@copper totem https://u.gg/lol/champions/yasuo/build/top yasuo top looks like some good shit

most balanced toplaner is still garen

nuff said

[vague wind]

Not kennen?

[icy pier]

Garen’s shit but idk if he needs buffs

[lavish zenith]

AGHHAHA

RANGED TOPLANER IS MOTS BALANCED

YES

[icy pier]

Draven top

Best pick

[vague wind]

Finally someone gets it, now let me abuse vayne top in peace

[elfin owl]

I actually think the same thing with him and ryze, rn garen is fine where he is

[vague wind]

No… stop…

[copper totem]

kennen is actually unplayable against as some top laners

[lavish zenith]

No

Ranged toplaners r just cringe

[vague wind]

Ok but I do think kennen is somewhat balanced

[copper totem]

kennen absolutely destroys sett

[lavish zenith]

Somewhat yeah but not as a toplaner

[icy pier]

That’s why I dunno if he needs changes yeah I feel like touching his kit will fuck him up bad

[vague wind]

😢

[elfin owl]

Yeah, i love that champ but some matchups i would rather just afk farm under tower

[icy pier]

I’ve beaten up 100% of Kennens as sett

[lavish zenith]

Ranged toplaners are for people who have parents that don’t love them

That’s the bottom line

[copper totem]

bad kennens lmao

[vague wind]

Oop-

[icy pier]

True lmao but I’ve yet to see a good one

[copper totem]

kennen can outrange your E with every single thing he can do, and hes faster than you

[icy pier]

There goes your Caitlyn top bias

Kidding

[copper totem]

if he can kite at all he wins

[lavish zenith]

There are other ways to admit you’re a loser than playing ranged top sorry darlin

[icy pier]

💀

He’s kidding

[copper totem]

💀

[icy pier]

I hope.

[copper totem]

oh im not

[vague wind]

Nah never

Only vayne and gnar and kennen and Teemo

And Quinn

[icy pier]

And Quinn

Yes

xd

[vague wind]

😭 you sure?

[lavish zenith]

Yes

[elfin owl]

Vayne, gnar, quin, kennen, then jhin i would say are the top 5 ranged in order

[lavish zenith]

In what order

[icy pier]

JHIN???

[copper totem]

tbh id rather someone be a ranged top player than a tryndamere/darius one trick

[icy pier]

Who thought of that

[elfin owl]

Jhin top no cap is actually good

[lavish zenith]

Ok well get shit on then

[icy pier]

Same but it depends on the skill of the ranged top too

[vague wind]

Nah I think there’s more ways

[elfin owl]

Mainly because people dont know how to play against it and it has pretty good engage + teamfights

[copper totem]

i hate fighting those champs. its just stat checks but they have higher stats

[lavish zenith]

I laugh at ranged toplaners with my 1400 true damage on an execute

[lavish zenith]

Yeah man Darius is such a stat check lmao

[vague wind]

I saw a 2.6m Teemo lose to darius

[lavish zenith]

Teemo loses to Darius

[vague wind]

Ok but he’s a one trick in silver

[lavish zenith]

Ok?

[copper totem]

i saw a 9.3mil Miss Fortune go 0/12

[vague wind]

💀

[lavish zenith]

If you have 2m points and are in silver

[icy pier]

I had a lvl 700 rage quit in draft

[copper totem]

he is???

[elfin owl]

bro look at the rankings of the best top laners for the last 6 patches in dia1+ its all darius

[vague wind]

No… not again

[lavish zenith]

You belong in an asylum

[lavish zenith]

Yeah he’s strong

[icy pier]

Yup

[lavish zenith]

I think he needs nerfs

[elfin owl]

yes

[icy pier]

Aatrox too

[lavish zenith]

Just everyone says they should nerf him in the wrong ways

[icy pier]

But the question is who will be on the meta board

Oh and Shen too

[lavish zenith]

He isn’t nearly as much as other champs

[icy pier]

Slightly overturned as well but less popular

[copper totem]

have you seen his W ratio

[lavish zenith]

Yes

…?

[copper totem]

it’s ridiculous

[lavish zenith]

Have you seen literally any statcheck champ

Darius will usually lose flat statcheck fights

[copper totem]

auto -> auto cancel with w -> auto is literally like 4 autos worth of damage with a 70% slow

[icy pier]

Tryndamere lvl one: 100AD, crit is 180AD

[icy pier]

Plus unavoidable Q if there isn’t a flash

[lavish zenith]

Ok and he will still lose lvl 1 to a lot of champs if you play it based on raw stats alone

[icy pier]

As a trade off for ah auto

[lavish zenith]

Esp if they have ignite

[lavish zenith]

Wat

[copper totem]

auto for auto he loses to like two champs

[lavish zenith]

How is Darius q unavoidable?

[icy pier]

The slow is usually enough to get a sweet spot q

[copper totem]

after W it is

[lavish zenith]

Ok like for the 3 champs with no ms steroids

Or dashes

[icy pier]

Ok

But you can use it when it’s on cd

So you can make it unavoidable

[copper totem]

slow affects dashes?

[vague wind]

Does Darius beat trundle

[lavish zenith]

No, it doesn’t

[icy pier]

I hate that troll

[lavish zenith]

No

[copper totem]

it does

[vague wind]

Actual

He’s so stupid

[copper totem]

it depends on the dash but it does

[icy pier]

First champ I’ve played that felt overturned

Legit felt unbalanced to right click

[lavish zenith]

Darius be Trundle is same as vs trynd… you can win pre 6 then up to lvl 11 but after lvl 11 they just get to a point where they can just right click you and you die

[icy pier]

I can’t think of any dashes that are affected by slows

[copper totem]

flat distance dashes dont get affected but not all dashes are fixed distance

[lavish zenith]

Yasuo E and Kayn Q

But it’s not many yeah

[icy pier]

That but how many are there

Ah

Fair enough

No way

Those aren’t affected? At least Kayn

[lavish zenith]

Kayn q is affected by slows

[copper totem]

im like 99% sure riven Q is affected by slow

[icy pier]

I don’t recall it happening

[icy pier]

Uhhhh

No idea

[lavish zenith]

In my like 1.2m points on Kayn I am sure Kayn q is affected by slows

[icy pier]

Don’t think so since it’s a fixed distance

[lavish zenith]

Unless I am crazy

[icy pier]

Fair enough I could be wrong then

Just play garen to cleanse the slow

[lavish zenith]

It’s either slows or attack speed slows I can’t remember but it’s one of them

But back to the point before

Literally only way Darius can guarantee q hit is by e straight into Q

[icy pier]

See so there is a way to always get it

Ik it’s hard to get a good pull tho

[lavish zenith]

Well yeah

[copper totem]

darius feels like he was designed with the idea that he would buy 0 ifems

[lavish zenith]

Not really

[copper totem]

like the stats are just builtin

[lavish zenith]

Darius E is usually used at v close range anyway

[icy pier]

True

I loved playing him against teemo

Tower diving the rat and dunking him at full bleed stacks

[icy pier]

Wasn’t there a problem with the passive

That the bleeding was actually bugged and did more than it should?

[copper totem]

yas top vs teemo is an actual nightmare because blind disables my Q

[icy pier]

Dude

Viego R

☠️

Cancelled by blind

There goes your reset and penta

I still find it weird the blind applies to certain abilities

Yi Q as well? Iirc

[copper totem]

wait

does viego r really get cancelled by blind

that’s hilarious

[icy pier]

Yup…

I don’t understand

Think it has to do with on-hit

Yeah Teemo screws your over more than 99% of champs

Think about it

R gets cancelled Q passive cancelled

What can you do

Run away in your mist until that rat pops his ghost ability or actual ghost summ and hunts you down

[copper totem]

or you just die to his poison while invis anyway

[lavish zenith]

It’s not bugged last tick does more damage

[icy pier]

Fr?

[lavish zenith]

Yeah

Because if you think about it

[icy pier]

That too 😒

[lavish zenith]

Each time you apply a stack it resets the timer

So if you are 0.75s through one tick and then apply another stack

You would’ve lost damage from the next tick

But you don’t as it adds up onto the last tick

[copper totem]

wait

[icy pier]

Ooh

That makes sense?

[copper totem]

does the bleed start doing more when you have max stacks because of the extra AD

[icy pier]

I thought it immediately did the damage

[icy pier]

Hmmm good one

Well Louiee

[lavish zenith]

yes

but if you didnt get the 5th stack immediately on 1s of a tick then extra damage would add up

[deep quail]

Sion because I'm a bauss fan and me going 2/24 is due to calculated good deaths

[copper totem]

baus is a god

[radiant pawn]

Olaf

[vague wind]

Ye I should rlly learn to realize that

Too many one tricks with 1m+ playing badly

OH Y FUCK ORNN

No fuck him

Anywya what if he gets a world skin?

He’s used in proplay Alot

Tournament skin perhaps

No it wouldn’t

Fuck him

He’s a big soft teddy bear but I hate his kit

10 kills in 30 minutes be like

[minor adder]

teemo blind only work on auto

viego r isn't an auto so idk what you are on

[swift lotus]

Nothing is balanced

Either broken or dogshit

There is no in between

[deep quail]

Me love ornn but I think he is very annoying to face and he's pretty strong

[icy pier]

It does

A few abilities have a problem with it

Trust me

[upbeat apex]

tryndamere

[minor adder]

so what does it do ? it negate the dmg to evryone in the area ?

[icy pier]

Yes

Like a normal blind if stops the damage

[keen flare]

mordekaiser tbh

dodge his Q and E
buy serpent's fang
buy QSS
zhonya in brazil
buy MR
vayne.

also:
does alot of damage
is easy
useful af in team fights due to his tankiness, his R mostly

[blissful bear]

With bias:Maokai/Ornn

Without bias. probably Illaoi

[placid summit]

Ive seen one good kennen and it was in aram

[cobalt verge]

Illaoi

[brazen moth]

Probably Jax

[mellow citrus]

Fiora

[inland arch]

ranged toplaners are op

[cobalt verge]

theyre so giga broken

should nerf

literally coming into my pisslow bronze 4 games

ruining my experience

cant lane, cant pick a tank, cant turn on monitor

grrr >:(

[inland arch]

i cant play my wholesome toplane champs cause of these ranged toplaners 😢

[frank matrix]

akshan top

[coarse wadi]

This has 300+ posts, where’s the fight?

[regal mural]

Nah I think illaoi is good

Ngl Illaoi is probably blindable???? maybe?????

[radiant pawn]

not rly

[regal mural]

Actually probably not, first item Tryndamere beats Illaoi

[cobalt verge]

she is not blindable lmfao

[regal mural]

I mean who does she even lose hard to

[radiant pawn]

if you are rly good on her you can

[cloud peak]

Mord her tentacles don't came to Brazil w her

[regal mural]

That's a skill MU

[radiant pawn]

it's very favourable for Mord

[cobalt verge]

skill based or not, its usually always favored to one side

[cloud peak]

If she's good enough to get qss then idk

[radiant pawn]

qss is still a big loss of gold

[ocean sphinx]

most range tops fucking suck

illaoi is a skill check, garbage champ that shits on garbage players

[radiant pawn]

illaoi isn't garbage at all

[regal mural]

I mean she has good MUs into the better toplaners

Except for like Fiora and maybe Aatrox

[radiant pawn]

because there's champ that won against Fiora and Aatrox ?

[regal mural]

What?

[radiant pawn]

does Fiora and Aatrox rly have unwinnable matchup or something ?

[regal mural]

No

I said illaoi might not have a good mu into Fiora and aatrox

[crystal basin]

aatrox shes fine into imo

fiora is just bs for any toplaner

max health true dmg 👁️👁️