#[Patch 12.17] Discussions - Worlds Prep Patch, Mini Rework for MF, Hecarim and Maokai

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blissful pine
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[Patch 12.17] Discussions - Worlds Prep Patch, Mini Rework for MF and Hecarim

vestal delta
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Sett skin buffs!?!? POGGERS

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Anyways revoke Camille buffs

blissful pine
vestal delta
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Numbers alrdy out?

blissful pine
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Only for rework

sudden storm
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only for the 2 adjustments

vestal delta
blissful pine
sudden storm
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hecarim would prob shift more towards bruiser than tank since they nerf base dmgs and buff ad ratios

vestal delta
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Well they put all his power into Q instead of E and ult

sudden storm
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overall i think it would be a good change to him

vestal delta
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Which is eh

sudden storm
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his q is his main dmg spell

blissful pine
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Hated full tank Hecarim anyways so happy with changes

sudden storm
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e cd is also huge

vestal delta
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Oh wait nvm W gives armor and MR

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Sheeeesh

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Pretty big actually

meager sapphire
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camille buff busted

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mf buff also

sudden storm
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u can get away

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with not maxing e 2nd

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and maybe lvl w 2nd now

blissful pine
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Gnar too strong rn

sudden storm
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since the mr/armor boost

blissful pine
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Actually nvm

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Gnar isn't as picked

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Maybe it's an Ornn answer then

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Tanks are meta rn for pro play, so that's my guess

meager sapphire
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ornn probably the best toplaner for proplay

blissful pine
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fs also Renekton

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Sej is up there as well

vestal delta
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Interested about TF and kass buffs ngl

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Interesting to see how they will be buffed

blissful pine
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We had tf meta all year last year

vestal delta
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Rlly?

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Wasn’t there then

blissful pine
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pro play

vestal delta
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Oh

blissful pine
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So I don't want to see tf spam again this year

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but oh well

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atleast sylas is good rn

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to be a strong answer

vestal delta
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I mean sivir was alryd spammed with lulu this year right?

blissful pine
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Sivir is the meta adc rn

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But Zeri is better imo

muted field
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rlly good patch

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both pro play

vestal delta
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It’s like sivir zeri draven then jhin

muted field
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and soloq wise

blissful pine
vestal delta
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Oh ye I forgot about him

muted field
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its sivir zeri draven aph

blissful pine
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instead of Jhin

muted field
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no other adcs

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oh

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and kalista

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no other adcs are played

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maybe yasuo too? cause yasuo senna

blissful pine
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Lucian Kalista and Xayah are coming out still

vestal delta
blissful pine
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and spring 2021 (I think)

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I just hope they buff Irelia and Akali :D

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Or even short range comps

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that'll be fun

vestal delta
blissful pine
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[Patch 12.17] Discussions - Worlds Prep Patch, Mini Rework for MF, Hecarim and Maokai

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Remembered that Maokai was also receiving a mini rework

vestal delta
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Wait I just realized

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They nerfed Azir

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Rip birb

muted field
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yes

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pro play

blissful pine
silk lava
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this is a mixed bag patch

unreal fable
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god smite my eyes i hate this patch

novel ferry
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All decent nerf to pro meta

hallow raptor
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IMAGINE nerfing renekton when he isnt even that good

dapper island
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Hecarim is going to be bonkers

blissful pine
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Also he's the strongest top laner in pro play rn

fallen pasture
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Instead of mf buffs it should be mf nerfs

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Cause that slow is oppressive as hell to deal with

sudden storm
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Have u even read the changes?

silk lava
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people just fucking suck at him

runic vessel
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where is ryze buffs

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ngl r/ryzemains makes me wanna main ryze

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I wanna become a schizo too

tacit anvil
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That's so PG, join r/kindredmains, be furry

runic vessel
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ryzemains used to be a lot less tame

runic vessel
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I'm becoming blue

tacit anvil
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wow that easy

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s+ first time

pliant arrow
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Making predictions for a new ezreal MF skin soon

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champs with 15+% pick rate and decent wr can mean only 1 thing

gloomy ibex
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Sylas Ahri nerfs, they actually did it

muted field
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idk they finally nerfed taric and sivir

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trundle too

novel ferry
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i bet it low elow

muted field
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nah sivir and trundle are just perma picked pro play

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taric needed it considering he's been rlly good for a few patches

chilly verge
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thank the lord for sylas and trundle nerfs

forest chasm
sudden storm
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yeah

forest chasm
tiny crag
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trundle nerfs 😢

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pls leave trundle top alone

valid mango
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Gonna guess Camille buff is like +1 bAD

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Thank god for trundle nerfs and Rell buffs

idle moss
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need more accurate patch/numbers to give a better opinion.
Maokai rework doesnt really help jg currently. top's nice but the fact theyre trying to preserve the support style really holds back what they couldve done.

hollow escarp
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same for Camille

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else nerf seems pretty good

tacit anvil
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let them scale the fattest walls lol

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if zeri gets to do it

idle moss
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camille buff is prob a result of steel valkyrie.
and shes prob what they consider exciting for pro play

valid mango
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There’s also some zhonya and GA changes

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I wish they made zhonyas more towards the stasis and make the stats kinda useless just like axiom and silvermere dawn

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It’s too good rn

dapper island
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rell buffs so real

blissful pine
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Ezreal buff is because of pro play

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We haven't seen Ez in a long time

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Camille buffs are to counter tank blind picks

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in pro play

silk lava
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no fucking way people blind pick tanks

idle moss
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E max Mf just tries to skip laning with brainless poke.

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if you're going actual AP you get more bang for your buck with that nice ratio increase.

tacit anvil
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well beginning

tacit anvil
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gnar was highest prio beginning of summer

hollow escarp
blissful pine
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ornn and sej are p strong rn

blissful pine
hollow escarp
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Ez and Zeri are gonna be pick or ban every game

blissful pine
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LPL was defined by Aph Kalita
LCK was defined by Ezreal Kalista and Kaisa
LEC and LCS had no meta adcs for a while

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But even then it was only for a short while

blissful pine
hollow escarp
blissful pine
hollow escarp
blissful pine
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imo from what I'm seeing

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Not many players are building doms and ie

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on lethality build

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IE has a 4.42% pickrate and dom has 7.07% pickrate

hollow escarp
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it's because you do 2 letha items before

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IE is your last item

blissful pine
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No I'm looking at all items

hollow escarp
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then it needs that the game go very late

blissful pine
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Even as a last item

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IE has a 0.63% bought rate

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Yes games normally don't go that long and that is a major reason why

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But GA Edge of Knight and Collector are all built more often

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than IE

hollow escarp
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i'm watching a GM mf main he always does this it's the strongest build

blissful pine
blissful pine
hollow escarp
blissful pine
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What's his opgg btw?

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I would like to see who you are referring to

hollow escarp
blissful pine
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wow this guy doesn't build boots

hollow escarp
dapper island
# hollow escarp but it also buff the letha build xd

it obviously rewards and does incentivize crit builds more than lethality builds. even right now serylda's grudge is more popular and performs better than collector third and even if you get to extreme levels of late game where you get to buy IE crit will long have outscaled lethality

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because it is a pretty evident fact that crit does better late

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and is more consistent across the board

hollow escarp
dapper island
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statistics do

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pro players itemize that way

hollow escarp
dapper island
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but on what other basis are you willing to make a conclusion

hollow escarp
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and there's no pro that main mf

dapper island
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?

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but miss fortune still has presence in pro play this season

hollow escarp
blissful pine
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Sure that's fine

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But as a whole

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It's going to be fine

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Maybe for 3% of the challenger mf playerbase

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will be overthrilled

hollow escarp
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I think more and more people will starting to play mixed letha and crit

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and crit mf will still not exist

dapper island
blissful pine
dapper island
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we will watch out for worlds

blissful pine
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Will Crit build overtake Lethal next patch?

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We will see

dapper island
blissful pine
dapper island
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rell buffs

blissful pine
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Rell buffs:

  • W unmounted MS increased from 250 to 280
  • E cooldown changed from 18 - 11 seconds to 15 flat
lilac field
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do we know the nocturne buffs

dapper island
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nope

blissful pine
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Wukong nerfs:

  • Base MS reduced from 345 to 340
  • Base attack speed reduced from 0.711 to 0.68
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Twisted Fate buffs:

  • Q AP ratio increased from 70% to 80%
  • W mana cost reduced from 40 - 100 to 30 - 70
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Taric nerfs:

  • Base MR reduced from 32 to 28
  • E cooldown increased from 15 - 11 seconds to 16 - 12
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Renekton changes:

  • Q base damage reduced from 65 - 205 to 60 - 180
  • Q bonus AD ratio increased from 80% to 100%
  • Empowered Q base damage reduced from 100 - 300 to 90 - 270
  • Empowered Q bonus AD ratio increased from 120% to 140%
dapper island
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interesting

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dissuading tank itemization going on in pro play

blissful pine
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They better

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Tank meta in worlds will be a disaster

dapper island
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stop them from building divine sunderer into tank

blissful pine
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I'm seeing Bork Sunderer into bruiser items

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For atleast Sunderer builds

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tho I am seeing an interesting trend

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of bork into frostfire

dapper island
blissful pine
dapper island
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oh i meant in pro play

blissful pine
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Oh haha

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Yeah that sucks but not much you can do about that

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jungler meta is low econ

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spike at 2 items and then don't farm

dapper island
vestal delta
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Where sett buff

vestal delta
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More compressed

blissful pine
hollow escarp
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pretty big

candid kernel
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No sej nerfs

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Ok

dapper berry
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nothing affects Kog'Maw awesome

novel ferry
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seett buff aree huge

hearty terrace
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what is the honya nerf

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why are they buffing seekers and zhonyas 🤦‍♂️

runic vessel
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tthank god uni is starting so I can finally quit this game

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sett and camille buffs

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nty

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cya

tacit anvil
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have to just click move perpendicular relative to your current possition

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ez np

low crest
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azir is gutted? lmao

willow temple
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Year of the drain tank

low crest
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i think support will fit better for azir

dapper island
willow temple
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They’re nerfing stopwatch again because it’s a toxic item, and they’re changing zhonya’s and GA to feel like more proper items.

runic vessel
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Get to challenger first OP then start entering amateur leagues

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jojopyun was like challenger for 2-3 years and played in the amateur scene

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before being picked up by EG academy and eventually making it into main roster of EG

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and he’s only 17 right now

hearty terrace
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you realistically don't even need to hit chall to be picked up

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you can get picked up and noticed when your gm and pro play doesn't rlly look for otps as much as if you're gm and can play a lot of champs it'll be better than a chall otp in terms of pro play

frosty locust
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Its more so who you know than how good you are

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Cause even if youre challenger and smurf on pro players in soloQ games you wont even get a chance to try out for a team unless you know some1

blissful pine
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When you are starting out

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Your actual skill matters so much more than about how much connections you have

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Later on in your career will connections start mattering more

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But most pro players agree that skill is much more important

hearty terrace
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you can get recruited to a team before you're actually at a very high level of skill and they will train you

hollow escarp
# hearty terrace connections > skill

idk how it's works in NA but in France you can be division 2 only with connections but if you want to climb in division 1 you need to be very good

hearty terrace
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for what in france

hollow escarp
hearty terrace
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yeah idk what france does but french people usually have weird traditions and rules

hollow escarp
muted field
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connections still mean a lot more than skill imo

hearty terrace
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riots divisions =/= teams recruiting u

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connections mean more than almost anything in life btw

hollow escarp
hearty terrace
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riot has no say in people who get recruited to teams

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if c9 or fnc wants u

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they will get u

muted field
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nah they do

hearty terrace
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unless the player is banned they have 0 say

muted field
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u have to be atleast d2+

hollow escarp
muted field
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d2+ is bare minimum

hearty terrace
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the reason a team is picking u up at a lower stage is to train u

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if ur gonna be playing riots pro league ur goingt o be trained above d2 lmao

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also soloq rank and pro play are so different that that rule doesn't even mean all that much as playing as a solo and adapting to ur team rather than having synergy makes a big difference

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most teams don't pick people for their individual skill but their ability to play within a team

willow temple
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Hec and Mao changes feel great

blissful pine
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hehehe I win the bet

blissful pine
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jkjk