#Riot messed up

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agile berry
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so playing him mid is so troll

lone solar
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why did u build zhonya

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and not deathcap 2nd/3rd item

agile berry
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also ap twitch being the only good user of crown

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and u build riftmaker

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xd

lone solar
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pre sure it's nash-->deathcap --> crown

agile berry
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maybe when ap twitch first came along

lone solar
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or nash --> crown --> dcap

agile berry
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that shits been long gone

carmine bone
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nash crown dcap sounds like the safer route.

agile berry
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you can only go crown

carmine bone
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dcap second is only something to consider if big lead prob

lone solar
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rift is bad

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look at their comp too

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omegalul

agile berry
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rift is giga bad on twitch

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twitch is either everfrost or crown

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nothing else

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when going ap

carmine bone
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I wish websites showed you which form kayn went.

lone solar
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u don't go crown into vex

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and kayn

agile berry
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but ofc u don't play twitch or have any knowledge on champ

lone solar
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that's y u lost

agile berry
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so u wouldn't know

lone solar
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lol

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and that's y u lost

agile berry
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wasn't ur point that u go crown into dive comps?

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their entire team is basically a dive comp

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good job on going back on what u said

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👍

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if u wanna see an actually good twitch player play ap twitch mid, i recommend go watch a ratirl vod :)

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you'll also see he hasn't built riftmaker on twitch in ages bc it got giga nerfed when ap twitch was at its peak

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the same guy who is insanely good on twitch

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the same guy who has played twitch for years

carmine bone
agile berry
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and has 100x more game knowledge than you

lone solar
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forgot what it's called

agile berry
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both are failures of items

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and both were added fairly recently

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iirc

lone solar
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at least crown has its uses

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evenshroud is just worse than all supp items

agile berry
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crown got gutted bc ppl complained, riot refuse to buff it to actually make it any good

carmine bone
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which patch 'gutted' crown

agile berry
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or not gutted, more or so the fact every ap mythic is just better

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it's just been left behind as an item

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viktor, main abuser of crown when it first released, doesn't even use it bc ludens is 10x better

lone solar
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night harvester is good though

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lol

agile berry
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NH is rlly good?

lone solar
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vlad harvester+dcap

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is GG

agile berry
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yup

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sylas is running NH as well, or can

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galio is running it

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few others

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????

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you could've atleast used the right mythic

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like bro

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💀

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after NH got buffed, it's insanely good rn for any champ that can use burst and cdr

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vlad is a prime example

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almost every vlad otp switched to NH over proto

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it def did

lone solar
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nidalee mains too

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build NH over proto

agile berry
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ur not serious right?

carmine bone
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due to it's short patch history i can get crown's whole history in one image.

agile berry
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ur telling me the buff did nothing when NH had its build path changed to have fiendish

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fiendish first back is one of the best items vlad can buy

carmine bone
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so its interesting that it basically got reverted and nobody buys it.

lone solar
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rumble too NH over proto 50/50

agile berry
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u genuinely cant be srs when u say NH getting its build path changed did nothing

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SYLAS DOESNT EVEN BUILD LUDENS XD

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HE BUILDS EVERFROST 💀 NOT FUCKING LUDENS YOU CLOWN

carmine bone
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but he wouldnt go ludens

agile berry
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he never goes ludens

carmine bone
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only time you might consider ludens is if you're like giga fed with a double or triple kill from lvl 1 invade or something

agile berry
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literally never

carmine bone
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thats still weak.

agile berry
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no?

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NH is a lot better than Ludens

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in almost every way

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u act like he has mana issues

carmine bone
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most mages are gated by mana early on.

agile berry
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no, unless ur perma spamming abilities he rlly doesn't

carmine bone
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~~ unless you're brand who doesnt give a flying fuck about mana management lol ~~

brittle anvil
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Presence

agile berry
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he uses 3 abilities

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for a combo

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and then dips

brittle anvil
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Presence exist anyway

agile berry
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and those 3 abilities do like half/more than half their hp

carmine bone
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Brand mid isnt good. but he is immovable since his mana gain from his passive is v. nice

agile berry
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all running NH :)

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u can literally hit every passive stack with one combo

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sylas attacks so fast when he has passive

agile berry
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as well btw

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ok?

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his cds aren't really that long

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he literally goes in for a trade, usually wins

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backs off

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waits cd

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goes back in

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and yes i am

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even if sylas goes even in a trade, he usually wins bc of his w

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and next trade

lone solar
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sylas rushes ionian boots too

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lmfao

agile berry
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i prefer sorc

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u can literally kill someone with 2-3 trade rotations

brittle anvil
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Ok literally

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Presence of mind exists Sylas has no mana issues if u r human

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The rune alone

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Erases all mana problems

agile berry
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yeah that as well

lone solar
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watch him say

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elec is better

agile berry
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ur literally going conq presc of mind, the one tenacity rune and cut down

brittle anvil
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Dear god

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Plz

lone solar
agile berry
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not cut down

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what's the one rune

brittle anvil
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Last stand

agile berry
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that's it

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so yeah sylas literally never has mana issues xd

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i've never once played a game and have been like

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fuck

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my mana is so dogshit

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is NH still good and can be bought on him?

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yes

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xd

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sylas prefers cdr over mana

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he never

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ever

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builds seraphs

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u literally

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NEVER

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build

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seraphs on sylas

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????????????

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theres no way

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this is a srs question

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right

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?

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why would u ever build seraphs, literally losing a spot for items like zhonyas, rabadons, cosmic, void, shadowflame

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seraphs is such a dogshit item

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that low elo players get trapped into thinking is good

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and again

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no sylas player

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EVER

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builds seraphs

carmine bone
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if it was old seraphs maybe. but the current iteration of seraphs isnt really worth buying unless you have some form of mana scaling or have such large mana issues you need the extra thousand or so mana.

agile berry
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why would u ever build seraphs on sylas

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god pls tell me u dont build seraphs on him

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OH MY GOD HE DOES

eternal latch
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wait is he recommending seraphs sylas?

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wtf am I hearing

agile berry
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AND RIFTMAKER TOO

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OH MY GOD

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MY EYES

eternal latch
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nah man

quiet sentinel
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AD sylas meta

agile berry
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ITS LITERALLY EVERY GAME TOO

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OH MY GOD

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IT CLEARLY ISNT WORKING OUT FOR U

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this is so painful to look at

quiet sentinel
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ngl not a bad kda

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but way too many deaths

lone solar
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that's not well

agile berry
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if u had an actual build

carmine bone
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17% (1W 5L) 1.98 KDA

agile berry
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u prob would win

lone solar
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^

agile berry
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but

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u decide

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troll shit >

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riftmaker, seraphs, nashors

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u can

quiet sentinel
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if it works

agile berry
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but

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i just

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this shit doesnt work

carmine bone
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17% (1W 5L) 1.98 KDA

lone solar
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🗿

agile berry
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and yes, you can climb with anything, but ur a special case

lone solar
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bro grilling on crit olaf

agile berry
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u literally try to play EVERYTHING

lone solar
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when he's building this shit

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BAHHAHA

agile berry
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and playing EVERYTHING wont make u climb

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which is very evident here

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like, i was in the same spot u are in

quiet sentinel
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youre also misunderstanding that point

agile berry
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i tried to play everything and everyone

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hardstuck bronze 5

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found a champ im good at, otpd and now im d4

quiet sentinel
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its 99% of the time in those threads about which champion not "can i play AD veigar jungle?"

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lmap

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there you go again

agile berry
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i 1trick in ranked

quiet sentinel
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you said god

agile berry
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thats it

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ur not

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a otp sion

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not even CLOSE

quiet sentinel
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is it a one trick in diamond?

agile berry
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ur not even CLOSE to being a main either

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u literally just play the champ

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thats it

agile berry
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but

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ur not a tank one trick

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ur not a sion one trick

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not even close

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ur not a tank main either

quiet sentinel
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we're talking about a one trick and say look at my sion

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you pretty much said that

agile berry
quiet sentinel
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youre experimenting then?

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thats fine

agile berry
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again, like i said earlier

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we clearly have different goals

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u dont wanna climb

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i do

carmine bone
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17% (1W 5L) 1.98 KDA
riftmaker seraphs sylas core btw.

agile berry
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so i otp

quiet sentinel
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"stuff i made"

agile berry
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ive found what works for me, ive found the champ im fine with playing

quiet sentinel
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thats experimenting

agile berry
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also look at the difference

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heres mine

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heres urs

quiet sentinel
agile berry
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tell me who u think would climb faster

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without knowing ranks

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🤨

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very obvious answer

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i just dodge?

quiet sentinel
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?

agile berry
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ill take a -3 over a loss lol

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idfc

carmine bone
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1 game of kayle. disgusting tylerDisgusting

quiet sentinel
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bro doesnt know what one tricking means 💀

agile berry
quiet sentinel
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no

agile berry
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-13 literally isnt a big deal

quiet sentinel
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just

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how dare you

agile berry
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if ur worried about LP

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ur worried about the wrong thing

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good for me?

quiet sentinel
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look at the banrate of vlad

agile berry
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yes

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queue sniping is def real in diamond

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XDD

quiet sentinel
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you think too highly of players sometimes

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and sometimes too little

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its funny

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youre stereotyping in an elo youre not even in

agile berry
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the only time ive ever had vlad banned

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in plat-dia

quiet sentinel
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unless you did research you cant say that to an actual dia

agile berry
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is bc they just ban vlad bc they ban him

quiet sentinel
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so why assume it?

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ok

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but if fraxx denies it theres no point in keeing the argument going

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you can drop it

agile berry
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dude if my one trick is banned

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after a 6 min dodge timer

quiet sentinel
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still up 3 lp if you lost

agile berry
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unlucky

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if my one trick is banned after 30 mins?

lone solar
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do ppl actually ban vlad a lot

agile berry
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unlucky

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no

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they dont

lone solar
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yeah I haven't seen vlad ban in like

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6 months

agile berry
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vlad isnt banned bc of how easy he is to counter

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hes rlly hard to pull off esp higher elo u go

quiet sentinel
agile berry
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1 tricking is the best way to climb

quiet sentinel
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yeah ok but are we talking about that

agile berry
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ultimately u wanna 2-3 trick

carmine bone
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it's very very rare to meet genuine onetricks.

agile berry
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but ive found 1 tricking is best for me bc im insanely good at vlad

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would i be considered a genuine onetrick? idk

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xd

brittle anvil
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ye akshan one trick smh

agile berry
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no!

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u would climb

carmine bone
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do you play vladimir if you're filled in multiple roles? Do you exclusively and ONLY play vladimir (this answer is already known lol) and is vlad the only enjoyment out of the game you get.

quiet sentinel
agile berry
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idk if u would hit diamond

quiet sentinel
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no idea

agile berry
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but u would climb

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yes

quiet sentinel
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its up to you i dont know how you pla

lone solar
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you'd get out of g4 at least

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XD

quiet sentinel
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if you think you can believe and climb

carmine bone
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even if it's vlad bot, etc.?

agile berry
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and if im forced into it

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ill play him top/adc

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which ive done before

quiet sentinel
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vlad jungle yuumiFlushed

carmine bone
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then yeah. probably.

agile berry
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@tall shadow if you genuinely just stuck to sion, with how ur wr looks u would climb out of gold

quiet sentinel
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ok

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go for it

lone solar
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yeah but that's ur fault

agile berry
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like imagine u didnt play 900 games worth of random shit

carmine bone
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you can fix that. it takes time

quiet sentinel
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if you keep winning it shouldnt matter

lone solar
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for playing 1k+ games

agile berry
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100 games with a 70% wr

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u'd be at plat by now

lone solar
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and staying 50% wr

agile berry
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or g1

quiet sentinel
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you said your wr is 70%? thats good even if lp gain isnt amazing

agile berry
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lets say u play 10 games

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u win 7

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12x7

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84

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and then u lose 3 games

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17x3

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51

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u would still be up

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33 lp

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rlly painful to climb with

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but ud still be climbing

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do u just not take any net positives... as positives????

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dude ive been in ur elo

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had to climb through it

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yes?????

quiet sentinel
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you

agile berry
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i literally had to climb

quiet sentinel
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are you NA?

agile berry
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from iron to diamond

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in 2-4 seasons

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lol

quiet sentinel
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you should just try to keep playing

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fraxx climbed but it took 2 years

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but did climb

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so you should just play Sion and have a back up and climb

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idk

agile berry
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1st season
IRON - G2 PEAK

2nd season
SILVER 3 - PLAT 4

3rd season
GOLD 1 - PLAT 2 PEAK (barely played)

4th season
GOLD 1 - D4

quiet sentinel
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youre not one tricking enough

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or make a new account

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its free

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well itll help climbing

agile berry
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so then ur making it clear u dont wanna climb

quiet sentinel
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then you cant climb

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im in the same boat but i dont play every champ in ranked

agile berry
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if u wanna play for fun

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just say so

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u havent

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telling u rn

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u havent

quiet sentinel
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its stopping you from climbing

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and the most important thing

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you shouldnt complain if youre doing this

agile berry
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it isnt

lone solar
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not sure if it is

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if you're still 50% wr 1200 games

quiet sentinel
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youre blocking yourself from climbing easily so you cant complain about not climbing with every champ

agile berry
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ill say it again

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if you just stuck to sion

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youd get out of gold

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it is up to you whether you want to accept my advice or not

quiet sentinel
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i mean if you play one type for every role sure but not all 170

agile berry
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youve never been out of gold

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u will literally never climb if u dont just stick to like 2-3 champs

quiet sentinel
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knowing how all champs work to understand them all but you dont have to learn them all thats a massive waste of time

agile berry
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if u perma play random shit

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enjoy being stuck gold

lone solar
quiet sentinel
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CHILLING SMITE MY LOVE

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the intro does fit blight

agile berry
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just imaqtpie keeping it real

shrewd obsidian
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hes right

quiet sentinel
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it does

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your mentality sucks is what he explains

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not (you) but in general

agile berry
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not to mention

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this is literally the best advice someone can give

shrewd obsidian
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started playing ranked like this week?
provisional rank was iron 2
got out of bronze in 13 games (including placements)

entire time i was there, i'd have actual hardstuck bronze jgl flaming me for not rotating when OOM / 0hp / fighting over no objective

still carried

agile berry
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even if hes being harsh about it, he isnt, but if he was, he'd still be in the right

shrewd obsidian
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he is completely right tbh

agile berry
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people dont like being told the right thing

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esp when it comes to smth like

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rank

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they dont wanna be told what they already know and dont wanna hear

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dude is straight to the point and is right on everything he says

vivid steeple
agile berry
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crazy how advice from this long ago still holds up today

vivid steeple
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you guys have been typing here for awhile what's the argument anymore

lone solar
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we just grilling on blightknight

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bcs it's blightknight

agile berry
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original argument was if frozen heart was good into mages or not

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one sec while i go back to get tldr

shrewd obsidian
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yeah but when people say "my teamn so bad this is why im stuck"
theyre not stuck because of team

agile berry
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tldr : he thinks im saying FH takes priority over every mr item against mages, what im actually saying is if you need to, and or can, FH is fine into comps with multiple ap champs

having FH against mages reduces their autos, and the amount they can weave while waiting for cds overall reducing the amount of dmg they deal

shrewd obsidian
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i had an actual AI on my team and i still carried

agile berry
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also @vivid steeple

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were u smurfing in diamond yesterday xd

vivid steeple
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no i was grinding a chall acc to 1k

agile berry
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ah

vivid steeple
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i failed

agile berry
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i went against a xer player

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who claimed to be gm

vivid steeple
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if it was me i wouldn't say gm

agile berry
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nah bro the hec

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70% wr somehow

vivid steeple
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that might be one of my friends lol

agile berry
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he literally tower dove me t2 when i hadnt used pool yet

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i tried adding him but he never added back :(

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i was mainly curious on how i did in lane against him

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if he actually was gm

eternal latch
vivid steeple
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xerath good vs vlad imo

agile berry
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i couldnt do shit

vivid steeple
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so if you kept even cs you're basically winning

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yeahh

agile berry
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he literally just w and then q me

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w slow is so big

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u cant dodge q

vivid steeple
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you have to go dshield

eternal latch
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You would be higher than your current elo

agile berry
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he was good tho

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i just

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dont think he abused me

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as much as he couldve

vivid steeple
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he's 47 wr in diamond master gm and chall in mid i think lol

agile berry
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he played the lane rlly passively im ngl

vivid steeple
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imo

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xerath is a lot better adc than mid

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mid xerath is not blind pickable

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i only go it if they go like vex veigar or something like that

agile berry
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i also dont know why he went comet

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i feel like fs is better into vlad

eternal latch
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It does, if they take it and work towards not sucking anymore

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He is

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Same applies for bot, people just don’t know how to play the champ in bot

tropic violet
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ITS LEGIT FREE

echo spoke
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DR MUNDO IS A JUGGERNAUT

tropic violet
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You stfu 🤫

echo spoke
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Sorry havrnt read the whole thing

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Ig it escalated abit 🤣

tropic violet
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Legit people saying Mundo is over powered they reduced grevious wounds they completely forgot vayne’s W as well as LDR. lol 😂 or Bork. 🥸🥸🥸🥸

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Or Kled cough cough 😷

echo spoke
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How do people even manage to play with dr mundos

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never seen one in ranked

tropic violet
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Exactly my point. Lol 😂

echo spoke
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😭😭

tropic violet
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I used to play him all the time but with the changes and durability, you’d have to be playing against a dumb ape to win as a Mundo.

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Anyone with more than one brain cell, they know to get grevious but no FULLY build it. Or just play mord and out burst him

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But crit Olaf is funny in ranked @tall shadow

echo spoke
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Yes agreed

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also why are adcs so broken

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they oneshot everyone

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from 1000 rangr

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i hatr twitch

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Instead of talking about tank items, lets talka bout adc items

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how do we nerf them

shrewd obsidian
echo spoke
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Agree with borh of u

shrewd obsidian
# shrewd obsidian dont put health on random ass items

was playing a zed game vs akali

she just did more damage than me and her 1 Q did 1/4 of my health

my full combo did 1/4 of her health

she builds protobelt and still i cannot damage her
ik shes not adc but that just annoys me

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or like when random champs can buy tank items and still do damage like

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i mean idk how a bamis cinder akali did more damage than a wukong but yeah

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i mean they did and still won the fights somehow so idk if they did something incredibly wrong because it looked pretty equal to me

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nah it was my friend streaming a draft game 😭

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i think that the tank items have been toned down a lot and its def not as popular

i think my main issue with akali is how uninteractive her W is

eternal latch
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They still do, not as big of a nerf as it seems

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The stats it provides and the “low” dmg is still contributing to the outcome

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The hp, armor and mr are very noticeable, the dmg is an added bonus

tropic violet
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Why be a glass cannon when you can kill every thing in your way EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug EveSmug

eternal latch
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How so? She wants to keep autoing her target

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Of the 3 sunfire is the one that guves the most armor and mr too. And you get tenacity as passive bonus

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And the one that incentivises autoing

left mesa
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Oh lord it somehow got worse.

rocky epoch
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You really recommended chamtank lmfao

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That item is garbage

agile berry
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Sunfire has better stats than Chemtank

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and diana utilizes it better

rocky epoch
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compared to any other tank mythic

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they nerfed it so much

agile berry
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frostfire would be better than chemtank o ndiana xd

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if diana had to choose between sunfire and chemtank, she would choose diana

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which is v obvious when u look at wrs/prs

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it gutted the item for certain champs like akali

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who was abusing it

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item was mainly changed just so it didnt work on akali

tropic violet
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Someone ban him rn

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Hold up Idk know you fool tf

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Trust me I feel like if I had your number I’d be giving it to the “ high elo “ players 🤔🤔🤔

left mesa
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Blight I better not be seeing you borderline threatening to dox people

tropic violet
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Bro wtf you talking about???? Swear this kid is smoking some high end shit

quiet sentinel
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i hope youre kidding

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really do

tropic violet
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^^^^

left mesa
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The fuck did I walk in on seriously?

agile berry
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even if ur friends, best to not dox them :)

quiet sentinel
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what

agile berry
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even threatening to dox someone can get u banned/muted p sure

quiet sentinel
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that doesnt make doxxing okay

tropic violet
agile berry
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yup

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:)

quiet sentinel
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youre doxxing random people

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cant you go to jail for that?

agile berry
#

should reconsider who u talk to if hes willing to dox u, or threaten doxing u

quiet sentinel
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im not sure where youre from

left mesa
#

Is this the day blight gets banned?

agile berry
#

just saying

quiet sentinel
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wow

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ok

tropic violet
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Bruh

quiet sentinel
#

thats really fucked up my guy

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why?

tropic violet
#

Fr

quiet sentinel
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cause haha funny?

left mesa
#

“Oh like I’d actually givr away your personal info. It was a joke!”

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Fuckin asshole.

tropic violet
quiet sentinel
#

?

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and that means

agile berry
#

this is a discord server, threatening to doxx someone aint cool

left mesa
#

Dude go right to hell.

agile berry
#

someone should genuinely send that to mods btw

snow loom
#

what happened?

agile berry
#

threatening to doxx someone

quiet sentinel
tropic violet
left mesa
#

Caught that shit in 4K

quiet sentinel
agile berry
#

threatening to doxx someone, friends or not

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aint cool

left mesa
agile berry
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lmao

left mesa
#

@tall shadow you’re in the wrong dude. Stop digging.

quiet sentinel
#

difference between what

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that its a joke?

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its not the absolute worst thing in the world but youre online and doxxing is not okay to do

left mesa
#

There’s shit you don’t even joke about. Threatening to let loose someone’s personal information to thousands of people? That’s one of em.

agile berry
#

im not gonna make a ticket, just someone use the ss i sent lol

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im fine with u having shit takes but threatening to dox someone ?

quiet sentinel
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if its your friend to it in dms

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not a public server

left mesa
#

The deeds been done.

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The trigger pulled.

quiet sentinel
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its about the same as saying youre going to opt your friend sure you can say it in dms as a joke but not in a public server

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think twice

left mesa
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I’m not the greatest person here.

quiet sentinel
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cause this is a funny subject

left mesa
#

I’ve said some pretty shitty stuff, but you don’t threaten to let loose personal info.

quiet sentinel
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do it

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in

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dms

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not

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here

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jesus

left mesa
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Well, here’s a joke, and you just might be the punchline.

quiet sentinel
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no haha its a joke

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i wont kill you

agile berry
#

dont think id ever threaten someone, especially a friend, to doxx them on a discord server

quiet sentinel
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???

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you take your own takes seriously

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good for you

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dont think anyone cacres

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not about you laughing

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cause maybe its better to say you take it back cause its not normal to say

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even if its a friend

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then you can let it go

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youre defending it

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thats just wrong

agile berry
#

imagine trying to defend doxxing online

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rlly crazy world we live in

left mesa
#

I shot you with this pistol, but like, as a joke.

quiet sentinel
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youre defending it

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again

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say it in your dms

slim tangle
quiet sentinel
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and if you do it here and we say its not normal say sorry or take it back

agile berry
#

all you have to do is say "my bad, wont do it again" instead u defend it xd

agile berry
quiet sentinel
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rip vicc

left mesa
#

Random strangers are going to harass you for who knows how long, as a joke.

quiet sentinel
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oh wait nevermind

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thought a message got deleted im blind

left mesa
#

Good lord what did I do to get the delet?

quiet sentinel
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no its a joke really

earnest gorge
left mesa
quiet sentinel
quiet sentinel
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no

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other k

left mesa
quiet sentinel
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its not funny to joke abour around strangers

earnest gorge
left mesa
quiet sentinel
left mesa
quiet sentinel
#

ok thats enough imma stop here 💀

lone solar
left mesa
lone solar
waxen flame
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did blight got ban lol

lone solar
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omg

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I miss him wtf

rocky epoch
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rip to the legend BlightKnight

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He will go down in history just like Ateros

agile berry
#

ATEROS GOT BANNED?

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wait wait

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is Ateros the dude who got vic banned?

rocky epoch
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Yepp

agile berry
#

when tf did he get banned

rocky epoch
#

I just stopped hearing from Ateros

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But he's still a legend

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embed not working sadge

waxen flame
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can look at chat history

left mesa
#

You can still @ him so he’s still about.

agile berry
#

nope hes gone

left mesa
agile berry
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oh Anteros

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thought you were referring to blight

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dont ask, idk why

left mesa
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Nah blights gone.

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I do.

agile berry
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no i meant like

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idk why i thought uw ere referring to him

left mesa
#

Ah.

agile berry
#

brain go dumb sometimes

lone solar
#

blight knight in the other server

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💀

carmine bone
#

"Skin-discussion"

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...?

eternal latch
#

I remember anteros pfp but nothing in particular. What is his legend about?

waxen flame
rocky epoch
rocky epoch
eternal latch
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Oh I see

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Very sus

carmine bone
#

oh, him. he's nothing special.

left mesa
# eternal latch I remember anteros pfp but nothing in particular. What is his legend about?

Okay, let me put this in a way that won’t get me reported for harassment (again)

Anteros was already your typical “I could never do wrong” fellow. Wasn’t one to admit his faults.

But then came the legendary post. “What am I doing wrong?” Where he asked what he was fucking up on rengar.

His build, was not a traditional build, and he was makin a lot of mistakes, so like a reasonable person, he asked for advice and took the constructive criticism.

Except instead of that, he insisted he was doing nothing wrong, and anyone telling him otherwise was wrong and stupid, followed by him muting them.

In short, he made a massive fool of himself and solidified himself in legend.

viscid carbon
#

They are TANKS
What a tank have ? it's durability and a freaking gun , so why wouldnt tanks have their own firepower too

rocky epoch
#

But then Anteros pissing them off too with his ego

echo spoke
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what do tanks do irl?

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disrupt enemy formation

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same as league

molten sinew
#

If the game were to utilize the RPG Core Class system, Tanks having damage wouldn't be existent. The role of a Tank in the RPG genre, which League having classes and roles would technically fall under, is someone who can disrupt enemies, lock them down, and take massive amount of damage without falling. In Season 10, Ornn could 1v5 for 20 seconds and not die without being able to kill. He doesn't have a shield nor a mitigation skill but his CC made him survive along with his passive granting bonus resistances, note that resistances are hyperbolic in scaling and that means the more you have the less it is worth. In modern League, there is so much anti-tank and Max HP damage on tanks that surviving as a main tank in a 5v5 for 20 seconds is good. Riot needs to sit down and look at what an RPG is (Old school, not the modern "Everything deals damage" RPG) and adjust their game to those tropes. Marksmen are Sustained DPS (except in the case of the snipers Jhin and Caitlyn who should be burst as snipers), Assassins are Burst DPS, Tanks are just literal Beefcakes, Mages vary (Control mages deal less damage but are able to manipulate the field while Burst mages deal mass amounts of damage but have no real defenses), and Fighters are a Tank but use raw Health (Less Armor and MR), Sustained DPS, and Life Steal to keep themselves alive but deal less damage than Marksmen and aren't as Beefy as Tanks (More a hybrid of two classes). Enchanters are effectively Utility. Having Shields, Heals, Buffs, Debuffs, and minor damage, they aid allies and harm enemies by battlefield manipulation more than direct effects. Everything deals damage in the current game state and it really takes away from this concept of having versatility and multiple viable strategies.

agile berry
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the issue isn't tanks themselves!!!! it's the items!!!

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also league isn't an rpg

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lmao

left mesa
left mesa
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So I daresay current tanks hit that mark pretty well

carmine bone
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ngl that looks like copy-paste

crisp lotus
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So I'm not sur what ur point is

waxen flame
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League ain’t rpg

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It moba

rustic lake
#

just throwing this out there, i dunno exactly what was being discussed in the first post cause Discord doesnt have "go to the start of the conversation button" & this is the length of a novel, Mundo did more damage than ADCs BEFORE durability, he's meant to do damage, as are several of the tankier champions, it's called a 'Juggernaut'

left mesa
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As if all of his abilities don’t scale off of and give him damage based around his HP.

rustic lake
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tbf on that, Mundo's the only Tank/Jug... but still

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he's meant to delete people

left mesa
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He’s on the thick end of juggernaut, but a juggernaut he is.

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I had it and then I fucking lost it like an idiot

worn cairn
#

rammus isnt a tank his builds give him damage based off of armor

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same with malphite

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they scale with damage so theyre bruisers or something xd?

molten sinew
gritty sparrow
agile berry
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RPG = Role playing game

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💀

molten sinew
gritty sparrow
molten sinew
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it is*

agile berry
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on google or whatever it may say that, but by definition, league aint an rpg

gritty sparrow
molten sinew
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By definition of what is an RPG, it is.

agile berry
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no... league isnt

molten sinew
#

So yes, League is an RPG

agile berry
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no.. it isnt

molten sinew
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No matter what you say, it falls under the RPG Genre

agile berry
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it really doesnt

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xd

molten sinew
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But it does

agile berry
#

nope

molten sinew
#

You can choose to be in denial, but the truth is that League is an RPG

agile berry
#

u cannot compare league to an actual rpg

molten sinew
#

But you can

agile berry
#

nope

molten sinew
#

Yes

gritty sparrow
#

that's like me saying chess is an rpg

agile berry
#

u cannot compare league to a game like elden ring

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or WoW

molten sinew
#

League is even very comparative to one of the top RPGs: Dungeons and Dragons

agile berry
#

although WoW is a mmorpg

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theyre not comparable

molten sinew
#

Yes they are

agile berry
#

no... they arent

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Elden Ring, WoW, League

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Elden Ring and WoW play similarly

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League doesnt play similarly to them at all

molten sinew
#

You take a Champion, aka Character, and can build them to your style and play them your way to your role. It is very much an RPG no matter how much you deny it

gritty sparrow
agile berry
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thats a moba

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not an RPG

molten sinew
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And the story, aka victory, is based on how you play your character

agile berry
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MOBA = Multiplayer Online Battle Arena

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RPG = Roleplaying Game

gritty sparrow
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there is zero role-play in league of legends

molten sinew
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League classifies as a Free-To-Play RPG/Strategy MOBA

gritty sparrow
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for marketing purposes

agile berry
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doesnt matter, its not an RPG

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lol

molten sinew
#

Role play is very common in League

agile berry
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no the fuck it isnt

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u wanna be a weird degenerate loser

molten sinew
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Yes it is

agile berry
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and roleplay as fukcing yuumi

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go ahead

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but that doesnt change the game

molten sinew
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You can be in denial all you want

gritty sparrow
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LOL

molten sinew
#

The truth is that League is an RPG

agile berry
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i bet you roleplay as yuumi

gritty sparrow
#

he prob roleplays as nasus

agile berry
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"pick me up uwu"

gritty sparrow
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cause he a dog

molten sinew
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I play everything in weird manner

agile berry
#

league aint an rpg

molten sinew
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League is an RPG

agile berry
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proof?

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proof that ppl roleplay in league

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would love to see it

gritty sparrow
#

0.0001% of league of legends player base might role play, but that doesn't make it a role playing game

agile berry
#

0.000000000000001%*

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there is maybe like

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100 people

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that roleplay

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and most of the time

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its for jokes

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for 1 game

gritty sparrow
molten sinew
#

Yet it is an RPG because of all that you can do to the Champions and Classes

gritty sparrow
#

i can role play while smoking crack, it doesn't make smoking crack an RPG

agile berry
#

somehow saying minecraft is an RPG is a better example than league

molten sinew
#

League is an RPG, no matter what you say

agile berry
#

it really isnt

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you have yet to prove how or why it is an RPG outside saying things that make it a MOBA

left mesa
#

This and the most recent elo hell post have managed to become such a fucking nightmare

carmine bone
#

RPG is a loose term. wouldnt really take it it's definition fully.

agile berry
#

still wouldnt consider league an RPG in the slightest

left mesa
#

If we wanna get technical any game is a role-playing game

broken zodiac
#

if they tank too much the fight is going forever

left mesa
#

If all they did was CC they’d all need a lot more of it to be part of a fight. Otherwise all they do is get their CC off, and stand there for half the fight waiting for CD’s to end

left mesa
# molten sinew League is, by definition, an RPG. And real-world Tank concepts do not apply in t...

You understand that if all tanks did was CC they’d have almost no presence outside of that in fights. After CC they’d be straight up ignored, because they aren’t doing shit until their CD’s are off cooldown.

Tanks in RPG’s are still capable of damage, just not as much as the damage. If all the tanks in your campaigns do is sit there soaking hits then your campaigns sound fuckin boring.

#

I’ve never seen a paladin who has a hammer for the aesthetic.

sharp canyon
#

honestly don't get how the notion that Tanks shouldn't be able to do damage comes from

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the only thing I can think of is the RPG core class

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....but then again there's IRL Tanks that hit hard but are slow which is what our Tanks are

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so I don't know anymore

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honestly I don't really mind the damage tanks give, I have a problem with tanks if they are too tanky

left mesa
sharp canyon
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aka Tank meta

left mesa
#

Most tanks have some sorta gun on top. Food for thought

sharp canyon
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Tanks can take hits yes, but taking too many hits becomes a problem

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there's a reason why in games like War Thunder/WOT you aim for the weak spots of tanks

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they have great armor that can deflect or stop a shell but with good knowledge of the tanks weak points and effective angle of attack you can take them down quite easily

left mesa
#

If all they do is take hits and CC they’re boring to play and ignored in fights, because after that CC is ended they don’t contribute anything

Increase their CC capability and they become insufferable because they take someone on your team and stunlock them

waxen flame
#

havent see a proper supp gap

sharp canyon
#

so I think tanks in League hit the mark well sorakaSip

waxen flame
#

they did

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which also promote bc and grude

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sunderer

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bork

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ldr

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to be proitze with

agile berry
#

tanks are fine where theyre at rn

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and if u wanna say tanks have too much dmg

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its not the champs, its the items

waxen flame
#

sion resonable

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since he scale

sharp canyon
#

Tanks in League fit the IRL tank definition quite well:

They are slow and can take hits and can hit hard (low mobility, high durability, extreme Damage/Disruption), but when approached properly and taken advantage of their weak points they can be taken down

waxen flame
#

with bc and armoor pen strong

agile berry
#

the only tank i would say

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is broken atm

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is zac

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with sunfire/demonic

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but again, thats more items than anything

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lmao

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and ig u could say shen? but shen is almost ALWAYS good

left mesa
#

Leave my slimy boi alone

agile berry
#

shen is literally never bad

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zac is literally never bad

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

left mesa
#

Wouldn’t call him busted just cuz he’s good right now.

Also Ornn is standing right there, and will likely see as much if not more usage top this worlds as he did this MSI.

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Though I will admit, hitting about 14% max health a W, casting it every 2-4 seconds, if any tank toes the line of “too much” damage, it’s Zac.

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Riots resident grappler is a mean MF

earnest gorge
#

did they ever settle the "Is Dr.Mundo a Tank thing?

rustic lake
#

he's both

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he's Tank/Jugg

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the other ones are Bruisers

earnest gorge
#

No yeah 100% by every metric Mundo is at once a Tank, Fighter, and Juggernaut

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those terms arent mutually exclusive

rustic lake
#

yes

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and he's multiple classes

dusky epoch
#

🍿

rustic lake
#

thats what i said

earnest gorge
#

Why was the guy going so crazy about it?

rustic lake
#

cause he thinks tanks shouldnt do damage

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and even though Mundo is multiclassing and also has no cc aside from a slow, he shouldnt do damage because 1 half of him is tank

earnest gorge
#

L take from that guy

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I wonder how badly a tank that fiut that standard would ruin LCS variety

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A Juggernaut with no Damage, But absurd HP and CC

rustic lake
#

well he's not a Jugg, but i have a feeling Ornn is gonna have a presence in worlds

agile berry
#

if riot made a champ that was a tank with 0 dmg wouldnt make any sense

earnest gorge
#

Yep

rustic lake
#

tanks HAVE to have damage

agile berry
#

if the players are smart enough, they literally just wouldnt attack the tank lmao

rustic lake
#

if they dont, they dont function

agile berry
#

they do no dmg afterall

earnest gorge
#

It wouldnt make sense but it would be broken in support

rustic lake
#

even if they do no damage, but have some cc, once it's used up, they dont do anything

agile berry
#

the closest thing we have to that is Rell

earnest gorge
#

Cuz the idea im seeing is, 0 damage but some mechanic that turns all possible ways to get damage into more CC

rustic lake
#

but Rell also shreds & lockdowns

agile berry
#

ye, why i said "closest"

rustic lake
#

and still does a decent amount herself

agile berry
#

nah she doesn't rlly do any dmg

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most of her dmg comes from knocking shields off

rustic lake
#

more specifically, Q

earnest gorge
#

I hope we get more champs that have Ornns unique status effect

#

Extending CC duration?

agile berry
#

early game she has a decent bit of dmg

earnest gorge
#

yes pleas

agile berry
#

but late game she's useless for dmg

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outside q if they have a bunch of shields like ivern

rustic lake
#

meanwhile Ornn 1v2ing Garen & Sej

earnest gorge
#

PERFECTLY BALANCED

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and ill not hear anything not agreeing

rustic lake
#

no-one will

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Ornn is fucking dumb

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but thats an Ornn problem, not a tank problem

agile berry
#

ornn will always be good

rustic lake
#

yep

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his passive is so fucking strong & he has ult + E

agile berry
#

literally one of the best scaling champs in the game xd

earnest gorge
#

He gets to increase CC duration, that was the most beautiful thing id every read on a tank

rustic lake
#

even if Ornn is super behind he's an asset to his team

earnest gorge
#

A knockup as big a a fucking lane, and you dont have to be anywhere near that fight to use it

rustic lake
#

also he has unstoppable on his main damage ability

earnest gorge
#

If this Ixtal Tank is anything like Ornn im gonna be in heaven

rustic lake
#

which also applies Brittle

earnest gorge
#

it sounds likr the Ixtal tank is gonna make terrain too

rustic lake
#

im waiting for them to have armour scaling on every. single. ability.

rocky epoch
#

The whole idea of tanks, mage, assassin is outdated to begin with

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It's why Riot doesn't use them (legacy system) anymore

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and now uses the new class system

#

At this time, we do not plan to present the legacy system in other locations on the wiki.
As Riot developers and shoutcasters use the new system when discussing the game as
well as a lack of documentation for either system on the website or in the client,
we would encourage readers to learn and use the new system.

rustic lake
#

Riot's thoughts on classes is not good

rocky epoch
#

Yeah there's a reason why they overhauled it

rare meadow
#

tanks out 1v1 adcs

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juggernauts always out 1v1 adcs

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the only win an adc wins is if they're ahead and full items or the tank plays it miserably bad

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like the only adc who can face tanks well rn is vayne

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kog doesn't fair too well against most too as hes immobile af

left mesa
rare meadow
#

adc is literally useless in the new item set as you dont get crit till end game

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and if you want to build a single defensive item you have to sac 100% crit for 80% and that drastically reduces ur dps

left mesa
#

Useless except for having the highest DPS at range of any class, but sure, absolutely worthless

rare meadow
#

yeah past like 4 items

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adc is weaker than sup till lv6

left mesa
#

Stg we’ve already had this argument. ADC’s aren’t useless, you’re coping your heart out

rare meadow
#

i literally stopped playing the role bc of how much of a fuckfest it is lmao

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much more enjoyable not having a useless sup in 1/3 of ur games bc they got boosted and being the squishiest champ in the game

left mesa
#

So are they useless or are they stronger than you? You seem indecisive.

rare meadow
#

what

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where am i saying they're stronger than me

#

adc literally provides a low amount of adcing until late game

left mesa
#

You said it, not me

rare meadow
#

yeah

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adc is weaker than sup till 6

left mesa
#

But they’re also useless most of the time

agile berry
#

the amount of times i get out traded by a support as an adc early game is insane lmao

rare meadow
#

yeah cause most sups are boosted?

left mesa
#

So you just think bot is garbage in general is what I’m gathering.

rare meadow
#

literally sup being 0 skill until d2

agile berry
#

d2 is generous imo

rare meadow
#

u right

agile berry
#

its 0 skill up to like... masters 200 lp at the least xd

rare meadow
#

i literally have played customs where a gold top laner gets put into sup and gaps the d1 sup main

agile berry
#

usually its the high elo supp mains that are complete doggo at other roles too

#

i get being off role but like

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majority of them can atleast play it to a sufficient level

#

support mains can barely play the game if theyre off role 💀

rare meadow
#

adc was just so miserable back when i mained it

agile berry
rare meadow
#

literally having to coach sup half of my games to not fucking break my freeze

agile berry
#

jinx is one of my fav chars

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started taking her mid bc of how unfun adc is

rare meadow
#

jinx kog and ashe were my main champs

agile berry
#

eventually just stopped playing her

rare meadow
#

i got into varus a little bit but quit adc shortly after

#

i played ashe was mainly my counterpick to jinx being taken or banned and ashe's lane bully earlygame is super satisfying

agile berry
#

even if u get ahead with adc

#

its not like u can carry majority of games

#

xd

rare meadow
#

you need to play it better than every other role to carry

#

give a 5/0 lead to mid or jg

#

game is much easier to win than giving it to adc

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and even if adc was not in a terrible place atm w crit it would still be the worst role as adc just depends on sup matchup and which sup is more competent

agile berry
#

tarzaned response to 12.16 ^

left mesa
#

Every ADC in the game could have a 60% win rate and you people would call em useless

agile berry
#

u act like adc isnt insanely two dimensional rn

#

u literally either pick draven, or sivir

#

pick draven? ban sivir. pick sivir? ban draven.

left mesa
#

I apparently ain’t allowed to have an opinion in these conversations so I ain’t sayin shit.

#

Because the moment I say one of my bot champs is Swain it’s considered invalidated

agile berry
#

swain would get shit on by sivir/draven xd

left mesa
#

Sure, there’s only two ADC’s playing right now. Everyone else is just garbage

agile berry
#

i mean why would you not choose draven or sivir rn when they're the best adcs?

#

why would you willingly choose someone like xayah, or kaisa

#

when u can just pick sivir/draven

#

xd

left mesa
#

Because I’m not the kinda person who latches onto whoever’s performing best at the time? Simple enough reason

agile berry
#

thats not what im saying?

left mesa
#

I play a champ because I like them. I didn’t play pre-rework, C tier support Swain because he was good

agile berry
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that isnt what im saying lmfao

left mesa
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You’re saying “why would you play anyone else than these two champs when these two champs are the best right now” what the fuck else am I supposed to take from that?

agile berry
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why would i be talking about what or why you play a champ tho? LMFAO

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why do i care?

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whatever you play doesnt change the fact that adc is rlly 2d and has been 2d for a while

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its usually always 2-3 champs

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switching in and out

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for best spot

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rarely is it ever

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multiple champs

rare meadow
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adc on top of that has the least champs

agile berry
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doing fine

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adc has champs that are either

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rlly good

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or rlly bad

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or

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they have champs that riot cant buff

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and are forced to stay

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rlly dogshit

left mesa
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So is ADC good or is it dogshit? I still don’t think you two have made up your minds on that.

rustic lake
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yes

thick cedar
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bro why has this thread kept going

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it started out as a cope thread about tanks

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now u guys are talking ab the randomest shit

left mesa
thick cedar
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just stop typing and the thread dies

agile berry
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yup

gritty sparrow
ember vapor
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mundo is a tank

gritty sparrow
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if you scroll way up you can see what im talking about

ember vapor
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I don't think I can handle all that, I just think yknow, since his whole thing is regenning HP, that would make him a tank

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passive cc cancel plus HP steroid ult