he has like
#If you aren't at least Diamond, you shouldn't be giving people league advice
kindred timber
90% of the people who are in league serious
blocked
bc theyve all disagreed with him on smth
so he just blocks ppl who disagree with him
eternal robin
Yikes
flint crescent
pulsar ingot
What you’re doing is, instead of saying that only those giving good takes should be typing and giving, anyone in lower elos should be giving advice wether it’s right or wrong and if a higher elo player says that they’re incorrect they’re abusing rank as credibility
flint crescent
Sounds like he's really emotionally invested into the game, but in the wrong way
gleaming plinth
https://discord.com/channels/125440014904590336/1003712444574736535
Is this the same thread? Because i think there was another that got deleted
kindred timber
yes thats the thread
eternal robin
https://discord.com/channels/125440014904590336/1003712444574736535
Is this the ...
I just read ... my eyes
pulsar ingot
https://discord.com/channels/125440014904590336/1003712444574736535
Is this the ...
Let me check
pulsar ingot
https://discord.com/channels/125440014904590336/1003712444574736535
Is this the ...
Yeah it’s this one
pulsar ingot
I just read ... my eyes
Grab some popcorn and enjoy the read, it’s entertaining to say the least
eternal robin
What you’re doing is, instead of saying that only those giving good takes should...
No that is not what I was saying at all, I was saying that, someone should not be discredited because of their rank and should be judge directly upon their takes because rank only means credibility. I was arguing that being x rank doesnt not mean you know more than the next person.
pulsar ingot
Tldr: he tried to disproof by linking videos from 2 years ago, he used a gold youtuber as reference for the crown build and when we checked op.gg the person was playing the build we said instead
eternal robin
If anything I also said that even if you do not trust lower elos completely you just take their take with a frain of salt
grain*
pulsar ingot
No that is not what I was saying at all, I was saying that, someone should not b...
Oh, then yeah sure. But in an ideal world, I would probably assume that the person rated higher knows more/know how to apply concepts more than the lower rated player, else they wouldn’t be rated differently. Is this thinking wrong? Pretty sure life works this way
gleaming plinth
This is probably my favorite line from blight.
IGN: BlightKnight90 — Today at 6:57 AM
The only reason they disagree with me is because“I’m higher elo then this pathetic gold player, he must be a ffing idiot. My website knows best even tho I probably don’t even know why this champion is ranked here or why they are performing well”
Even tho I’ve literally stated why this champion is good or isn’t good
Multiple times
Yet they keep going back too “your gold with everything”
Here’s few things I’ve predicted that game true. That are happening this patch
Rumble mid is popping off “I said it was a sleeper pick everyone forgot about”
Master yi with sunfire was broken
Oh look it’s running around the rift
But remember I’m gold you should never consider a single thing I say. “Predicted the future lol so must still be wrong”.They will listen to their websites to death
eternal robin
but do not discredit completely as it does not make it healthy for both parties
and turns into an ego battle
pulsar ingot
This is probably my favorite line from blight.
> IGN: BlightKnight90 — Today at...
I swear he was saying sunfire even before changes was trash on champs like yi and diana. Saw it maybe last week
pulsar ingot
and turns into an ego battle
Well it does not have to be ego, it’s raw statistics
eternal robin
Well all i have to say to that is he has a point in the sense that people go back to "you are x rank, you are wrong" but thats only because one has to stoop to his level of stupidity in order to try to get him to understand he is wrong
other than that at least he has 1 brain cell
to see that patten
pulsar ingot
Well all i have to say to that is he has a point in the sense that people go bac...
His case is different, he said that to try and say that we were discrediting him for no reason just because of rank. When clearly, he was trolling
But used that as an excuse
eternal robin
Yeah nah that guy is something else
gleaming plinth
it's more he refuses to listen to anything that goes against him. he substitutes all fact through his own experiences.
the whole sunfire diana yi fiasco he'd vehemently try to say it wasn't strong.
eternal robin
I see, maybe he's just a kid
I mean even then he is speaking like a regular ignorant person
peak lake
diamond players are often wrong with decisions in the game, just because you have 2000 games with a 51% winrate does not mean you give correct advice. people should not be giving league advice unless they are high grandmasters and not a 1 trick minimum. this includes previous grandmasters and above.
eternal robin
rank does not equal amount of game knowledge
honest pendant
rank does not equal amount of game knowledge
yes, but it’s typically a good indicator
i’d rather take advice from a dia player than a gold player because their rank gives the assumption that they are 1. better at the game 2. have more experience and 3. have more game knowledge
rank is not the end all be all of knowledge and shit but it’s a good basis
eternal robin
Very true and thats what i've been saying all thread
peak lake
I'm just saying that the chances of a diamond player giving correct advice most of the time is slim to none and its harmful to the improvement of more inexperienced players. It's the inexperienced players ignorance that gives these "coaches" legitimacy and thus degrading solid good coaching many higher ranking coaches do on the daily. This may not be what you guys wanna hear but it's the truth.
hot moon
diamond players are often wrong with decisions in the game, just because you hav...
True but I feel like most high diamonds can coach anything low plat and below
For fundamentals
Only
peak lake
the difference between high diamond and low plat is negligible. They are way too similar.
peak lake
maybe bronze and low silver. that'd be all i would recommend in their scope
just because it'd take you a couple hundred games just winning 51% of those games to get from low plat to high diamond does not mean you have so much more knowledge then they do.
hot moon
While without a doubt gm players are 20x better i also believe d1/2s are much better then plays
pallid mist
low plat and high diamond difference is not negligible
hot moon
just because it'd take you a couple hundred games just winning 51% of those game...
I agree with everything but I think the difference is much bigger then you realize
I’m saying this as someone who actively climbed those ranks
peak lake
yeah if you compare games they make the exact same mistakes. the only thing that changes is champion knowledge. high diamond is still ignorant of macro and global micro of the game.
its not like old diamond of season 3
hot moon
People in high diamond know what to do they just a can’t or b choose not to vs plat where people just genuinely don’t understand what the right play is
Is what I have noticed
peak lake
high diamond is like old plat back in the day dude. there is nothing special about high diamond 😄
hot moon
high diamond is like old plat back in the day dude. there is nothing special abo...
Idk it’s the same ranked percentile
D1 is still top 0.3%
peak lake
d1 back in the day was smaller then that
peak lake
diamond in general used to be 0.3 as a whole back in the day, now it's 1.7
kindred timber
would say 1.7 is still pretty small
hot moon
diamond in general used to be 0.3 as a whole back in the day, now it's 1.7
You sure?
I thought it was 1.2 in like s8
peak lake
i wish i could give concrete numbers, but it was a long time ago
kindred timber
should also mention its a lot easier to climb than it was in season 3
promos in between ranks is gone
peak lake
trust me when i say that everyone now would be 1 rank lower then back in the day. they up mmr for player retention which has been proven by people much smarter then me 😛 Take that comment as you wish
lusty totem
the difference between high diamond and low plat is negligible. They are way too...
? this just isn't true
gleaming plinth
People would be higher if you placed a player from s12 back in s3 lol... it may have been harder to climb but players back then were also a lot worse. like it or not players get better day by day.
opaque cave
trust me when i say that everyone now would be 1 rank lower then back in the day...
I agree with this, they made it so easy to climb nowadays. There are no longer promotional games between every tier within a tier and the amount of LP people get from winning is insane
I remember when I first started playing in season 4-5 when Gold actually meant something, but now it's a joke.
peak lake
People would be higher if you placed a player from s12 back in s3 lol... it may ...
whatever makes you sleep better at night, riot has invested millions of dollars into player retention studies. why do you think the mmr formula is under lock and key currently? 🙂
lusty totem
? this just isn't true
when i was high diamond, i smurfed a lot and would absolutely stomp low plats
opaque cave
Gold 4 is tied with Silver 4 for the most popular rank in league of legends
opaque cave
whatever makes you sleep better at night, riot has invested millions of dollars ...
wdym mmr formula? riot games mmr system is a f**king joke lmao
peak lake
when i was high diamond, i smurfed a lot and would absolutely stomp low plats
for every 100 actions high diamonds make around 40 mistakes, just because low plat make 10 more mistakes then you does not make you a god over them bringing infinite knowledge so sate their woes, it just means you've learned a little more then they have. I'd hardly say that justifies you changing aspects of their gameplay to match your vision of the game and the meta. If anything they may lose rank because those 40 mistakes per 100 actions will hinder the player you'd coach and maybe cause them to increase the difference between you and them.
opaque cave
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1008101697421316229/1008154611410022540...
looks like you peaked in season 9 
pallid mist
and plat 1
those szns were diamond decay
lusty totem
for every 100 actions high diamonds make around 40 mistakes, just because low pl...
yeah this is major cope, top 10% can never compare to top 0.4% in lol. I'm higher then high diamond and i can still tell you they are a lot better than a plat 4 stuck player.
opaque cave
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1008101697421316229/1008154611410022540...
it's still impressive that you got diamond your second season playing. My first season I got gold, then plat the next season, then diamond after that
kindred timber
i was bronze hardstuck for a bit 😭 im glad ive been able to climb to diamond tho
pallid mist
it's still impressive that you got diamond your second season playing. My first ...
i was a diehard lee sin player season 3 LMAO
peak lake
yeah this is major cope, top 10% can never compare to top 0.4% in lol. I'm highe...
yeah whatever makes you sleep better at night. i see grandmaster players still make mistakes low plat players make. high diamond is no exception. Although it's a hard pill to swallow, they are not much better at the game and the sooner the masses realize that the better we can become as a whole because grandmaster+ coaches should be considered professors in this game. At least the ones that don't 1 trick 🙂
kindred timber
https://gyazo.com/b85ded6ae21778eb9de768b92704e7c8 bronze 5 all the way back to season 4 😭
currently d4
pallid mist
yeah whatever makes you sleep better at night. i see grandmaster players still m...
making the same mistakes doesn't mean your level of skill is equal
not refuting your entire perception on this topic or to join the discussion
or disagreeing with your point even
but having x in common doesn't mean you are equal in that regard
d1 player x can have wave management issues and g3 player y has them too
does not mean a g3 player is equally skilled
although that is taking an example to the extreme obviously
peak lake
making the same mistakes doesn't mean your level of skill is equal
just because your mechanically gifted does not give you the right to coach players your vision of the meta and it's fine details. Just because you can get away with making the mistakes does not make you a better player. It just makes you a gamer, not a coach.
pallid mist
wasn't the initial point low plat and high dia are negligible in difference
sorry did not read the rest
lusty totem
yeah whatever makes you sleep better at night. i see grandmaster players still m...
of course you can still make mistake low plat players can make? But overall they are infinitely better than a plat player, who will make the same mistakes and more, way more often. If what you were saying is true, then how could i go through plat with 85+% winrate? Laning especially is horrific in low plat, and solokills are extremely easy for a higher ranked player
pallid mist
i think even if you take that micro skill difference at face value you still are overall a better player
we are talking about almost 2 divisions worth of difference
lusty totem
idk its major cope comparing low plat and high diamond
sleek thorn
im gold, I cant give people advice on macro or micro but I can say things about game mechanics. since thats more of a knowledge thing. For climbing the most important factor is just time
pallid mist
time is of secondary value if you are unable to invest it well
sleek thorn
if you have a 50% WR time is all you need to climb
that or play support and get boosted to plat then play top till diamond
pallid mist
if you have a 50% WR time is all you need to climb
yeah no way
all you need to do is kill the nexus
opaque cave
if you have a 50% WR time is all you need to climb
this is true to some extent
tyler1 gets challenger every season and he literally plays 16 hours a day with a 50% winrate xD
sleek thorn
like there are external factors, but generally those 2 are the most important thing to climb
if you have trash mmr for example, then you would need a higher wr to climb
opaque cave
i was curious so I looked for the highest ranked player in NA atm with a 50% winrate
sleek thorn
m2
pallid mist
LOL
sleek thorn
jungle/sup
pallid mist
i just like to slander
sleek thorn
me too tired, work too hard. gn
gleaming marsh
Thats very funny I guess cuz the brackets play so different in dotka, if u coach as 3k played u wont get any good tips for 5k players…
hearty tartan
i mean head coaches like kkoma and the t1 coach is like very different from the average gold player
green basalt
Isn't the point of the thread that rank equates knowledge of game
I understand where op is coming from
But
hearty tartan
they have the game knowledge and anaylze for their living
green basalt
My point is that it's not a catchall
hearty tartan
i mean too be fair
green basalt
they have the game knowledge and anaylze for their living
Right but you don't need to be diamond for it
liike what op was suggesting
hearty tartan
i mean thats a special case no?
kindred timber
^^^^^^^^^^
green basalt
Why are we acting like every coach is high elo
And even if you are high elo, doesn't mean you will be a good coach
hearty tartan
and why are you acting like every gold has the game knowledge of a coach who never got high elo
kindred timber
he isnt?
kindred timber
is this another blightknight
hearty tartan
ur fitting ur narrative
kindred timber
xd
green basalt
You aren't even arguing against my point
kindred timber
its another blightknight!
green basalt
you literally just made up
hearty tartan
coaches are a outlier
green basalt
what I said
green basalt
coaches are a outlier
op was specifically asking about coaches
and I answered
I am literally on topic
kind rivet
hearty tartan
op never talked about coaches in their initial post
green basalt
I am literally responding to this comment
green basalt
Sure talk about the post, but stop putting words in my mouth
vocal vigil
opaque cave
I am literally responding to this comment
show me an op.gg
of the coach you are talking about
green basalt
They don't even play leaue
I can't show opggs even if I wanted to
But they are all ex T1 coaches
Actually I might be wrong on Kkoma
elder moss
green basalt
https://www.op.gg/summoners/kr/DWG%2BkkOma
That's what I saw and thought maybe Kkoma is dia
but does a coach normally have this much time to play league
elder moss
i dont see why not
about 400 hrs with queue time, give or take
thats certainly doable
opaque cave
They don't even play leaue
Ok but the point i'm making is that there are no low elo coaches, and you are mentioning people that don't even play league
opaque cave
no, because you fail to mention that T1's coach is a former starcraft 2 pro and that game is macro to the extreme
green basalt
are just Starcraft pros
glass hornet
HAON it isn’t worth it, this is an ego thread.
green basalt
Just because you are a starcraft pro doesn't mean you will instantly become a high elo player
I think it was Boxer
one of the greatest Starcraft players ever
is a hardstuck silver player
And he actively plays
and isn't the point of the thread
that if you are high elo
then you have the knowledge of league from first hand experience
doesn't it say a lot when a portion of the LCK coaches, aren't even league players
So maybe you don't need to be high elo, to have knowledge about the game, is a thought
I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL GOLD PLAYERS ARE RIGHT CHASTIC
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT CHASTIC
glass hornet
Haon stop
opaque cave
So maybe you don't need to be high elo, to have knowledge about the game, is a t...
you have to have some credentials besides being hardstuck low elo
green basalt
I am just pointing out that
glass hornet
And I’m saying you’re explaining this to people who don’t feel like listening. Let it go.
green basalt
I just want to see the thought process
cause I don't think this is a troll topic of discussion
sullen folio
j agree bc it’s a thing
hasty glen
what does starcraft have to do with a moba
sullen folio
i still think that certain topics are more relevant to certain ranks than others
opaque cave
A bronze player trying to give me league advice is like a normal person trying to tell lebron james how to dribble a basketball
hasty glen
a starcraft pro being good at league is like a soccer pro being good at basketball
sullen folio
a little extensive but uh they might notice things u don’t or they might be wrong and that’s ok as long as they admit to it i think it’s whatever
opaque cave
a starcraft pro being good at league is like a soccer pro being good at basketba...
I would say starcraft pro being good at league is like a rugby player being good at american football
glass hornet
A bronze player trying to give me league advice is like a normal person trying t...
Darling, master or not you’re hardly Lebron.
opaque cave
Darling, master or not you’re *hardly* Lebron.
never said that I was, it's an analogy
sullen folio
i think you understand his point bc ur nit picking atp
glass hornet
Nah I understand the point I also understand I’m intentionally trying to be a pest at this point.
I think this whole thread is nonsense.
Half of its elo-shaming the other half is dick-stroking.
sullen folio
yea I think the masters part is a little unnecessary unless somebody really asked
but I get it’s probably for credentials
b4 someone says sumn
opaque cave
yea I think the masters part is a little unnecessary unless somebody really aske...
what masters part?
sullen folio
idk it was somewhere up there I was reading while I was playing league games lol
opaque cave
people think it's ego stroking that I mentioned that I am masters under the title of the thread, but I was just saying it because people were obviously going to ask what rank I was if I left that out
sullen folio
yea ur right
I also do kinda get what u mean
what is it I got into an argument w some dude about “elo hell” calling d4 elo hell
and then I get gold and below players telling me to just get better?
dawg I’m not d4 but that rank sucked ass to be in 💀
it’s not elo shaming… just you wouldn’t understand the difficulty of being there unless you’re actually there
thick palm
There are several types of advice
General advice
Elo specific advice
Champ specific advice
etc
sullen folio
IT LITERALLY DOES so I found it funny that I got people who haven’t even reached that rank telling me “you’d rank up if you were good” 😐
thick palm
Anybody is able to give general advice
But elo specific advice only applies to certain people
kindred timber
dude i got ppl 2 mins in saying ff @sullen folio
thick palm
Like if a gold was giving advice to a silver on how to rank up to gold
But that wouldn't apply to a plat player
kindred timber
not to mention, some of these players cannot be real 💀
sullen folio
dude i got ppl 2 mins in saying ff <@329458802845810702>
nah fr like we just loaded in can y’all chill 😐😐 and the crazy amounts of afks and inters
sullen folio
luckily I shot past d4 after a 7 game afk streak
kindred timber
this shit is filled with boosters, smurfs, the boosted
sullen folio
this shit is filled with boosters, smurfs, the boosted
not the booster
boosted*
LMAO
kindred timber
im still gaining LP
sullen folio
the supports 👺
sullen folio
Like if a gold was giving advice to a silver on how to rank up to gold
i agree w u on this ^^
sullen folio
https://gyazo.com/a6d3a9db2775619dbb5d97624d788f14
damn those r nice lp gains
thick palm
I wish my lp gains were like that
sullen folio
oof still super positive though so
sullen folio
i went in with like a 51% 😀 bc I kinda ragequeued earlier in the season
kindred timber
gonna shoot for d3-d2
kindred timber
:) thats nice
sullen folio
is that a completely new acc
opaque cave
would have been 6 but i lost one cause i suck
kindred timber
so mmr giga inflated
opaque cave
its not a new account, it was like gold last season
sullen folio
that’s what I was gonna ask
kindred timber
oh yeah mb, it was silver, gold
opaque cave
i only played like 15 games on it last season
sullen folio
if league isn’t dead next season I’m kinda excited to queue up next season and hopefully rank up better since ik what to do now
sullen folio
ur the vlad main right
sullen folio
first of all gross
kindred timber
listen man, i just wanna climb :(
sullen folio
I main sera so I’m not any better LOL
opaque cave
you need to abuse the system if you want to climb nowadays ngl
kindred timber
ive been thinking of switching to ori
she seems a lot better in this elo
than vlad does
kindred timber
i have a decent amount of experience on her
sullen folio
you need to abuse the system if you want to climb nowadays ngl
yea I noticed that
sullen folio
didn’t know her ball did that
kindred timber
that shit is basically a ward with how much it gives
ye
go into practice tool and test it out
ull see what i mean
lusty totem
i climb by winning 👍
kindred timber
i mean im happy with my climb this season
i went from gold 2 start to diamond 4
and i've never hit diamond before
opaque cave
i went from silver to d3 first season, and d3 to masters this season
link op.gg
kindred timber
i need to play on a smurf and try to see how far i can climb
i p much only play on main
lusty totem
i need to play on a smurf and try to see how far i can climb
its what i did to get out of plat stuck mmr when i was plat
sullen folio
i wanna do that too but leveling an account is so much work
sullen folio
its what i did to get out of plat stuck mmr when i was plat
I DID IT TOO
subtle terrace
i need to play on a smurf and try to see how far i can climb
maybe if i did that i would be able to get to silver 2
lusty totem
^ye lol
kindred timber
can get u botted acc
sullen folio
but I played like a plat player on my alt until I finally released what I did wrong
$2 😩 meh
kindred timber
are u NA?
sullen folio
yea I’m NA
sullen folio
sent a req if I do and remember
sullen folio
there is like smurfq in levelling accounts
oh yea
i had like 10 min queues every draft game
took me like a year to level it up
lusty totem
yeh had 20minq yesterday
lusty totem
and mine is only master mmr rn
lusty totem
according to that website, which i have no idea if its legit or not
yeh i would but i queue at degen hours
its 5am for me
lusty totem
yeh
i cant really game at any other time bc it gets super hot where i game in day
its cringe
green basalt
I main sera so I’m not any better LOL
Nah it means you are absolutely based
But also how does she feel in current patch?
I thought the 12.14 nerfs hit her hard so I stopped playing her
sullen folio
But also how does she feel in current patch?
she feels exactly the same for me
obv her shields and heals r smaller but
i play her full damage instead of building her all supportive
also shes not banned as much which is nice
vagrant maple
what about ppl regurgitating advice from said high elo players and even giving advice that isnt completely right is fine too, it can encourage discussion or bring you slightly closer to the ideal youre looking for, or atleast give you different perspectives on a situation, stuff ppl read should be taken with a grain of salt anyways no advice should be taken as 100% correct and followed like the bible so you dont need to be 2000lp to contribute to this
mortal tusk
fax, low elo ppl giving advice is preety oftenly damaging the person hey are giving advice to
if they cant get themselves out of silver how could their "advice" help you get out of silver?
makes 0 sense + ppl who do give advice at such a low level often have huge ego and dont listen to higher elo players when they try helping them so yea
tall quartz
This is wrong on multiple levels
empty sigil
Eh
Disagree
but at some point
i think high elo players' advices
is better than low elo players' advice
but not always
pulsar ingot
yeah obviously you have to look at the "advice" itself
honest pendant
I'll add my personal little take here and it's that high elo and low elo are effectively playing a completely different game. You can't really say that their take is wrong if it is providing results.
In high elo, you can take a decently good 2v2 trade botlane and your jg + mid will come bot for an easy dive without even needing to communicate it to them. In bronze, you can't really ask for much more than them being somewhat around so they can come and help out.
I'm a low elo player myself and i can confidently say I've lost tons of games cuz some teammate had a huge lack of basic minion knowledge such as ignoring a double super minion wave coming toplane so that i (the lategame fed Jinx) had to deal with it and couldn't participate in soul fight.
Nothing like this will happen in diamond plus. It's just an example of game-losing scenarios that you as a higher elo player will never experience (again). Different situations will provide you with a different set of options, and the advice they're giving could perfectly be working in their elo.
League is in no way comparable to fitness, as well
One can perfectly be aware of how training splits, proper nutrition, bulk and cut cycles, etc. work, and simply don't have the mental stamina/interest to go through it themselves
honest pendant
yes you just cant rely on your team your top may have pushed the opponent under tower your mid as well and still no one comes to help you with herald
shell oasis
The higher the rank, the better advice they can generally give (theres a greater likelihood their advice is good). The lower the rank, the chance their advice isn’t as good is greater. But that doesn’t mean a lower elo person cant give good advice.
No need to deal in such absolutes
boreal heath
"If you aren't Diamond, don't give advice on how to play League."
"If you aren't a parent yourself, don't give me parenting advice."
Same asshole logic, tbh.
Like, people can't share their two cents based on knowledge they can obtain from more experienced individuals than themselves? Especially when we have the goddamn internet? XD
It's so easy to form a logical, based opinion by just "doing your homework".
So, please, kindly stfu about "if you're not <x> rank, then I think you should not talk about how to get better at League."
Rant over.
somber saddle
I would 90% agree with this post
Giving advice to people when you are yet to understand the game to a high degree, and then passing advice onto players which causes them to take your ( bad ) advice in practise
For an example, golf, i'm not going to go and give a bunch of advice when i suck at it, to other people and for them to listen and do what i told them
fickle sequoia
Thats very funny I guess cuz the brackets play so different in dotka, if u coach...
Not really. The macro game is consistent throughout the brackets with the timings and mechanical precision being much higher in higher ranked games. Same mistakes are being made, same communication issues, same method of gameplay... The only difference is the degree of precision. I only advise on macro and communication based on my experiences, not on mechanics or actual gameplay as I don't have enough of that experience behind me.
hot moon
So, please, kindly stfu about "if you're not <x> rank, then I think you should n...
Someone’s a quirky cucumber
boreal heath
Someone’s a quirky cucumber
Ngl, Idk what that even means
kindred timber
Someone’s a quirky cucumber
this is so hilarious to me idk why
boreal heath
this is so hilarious to me idk why
It's lost to me, ngl, but only because I literally don't even know what it meant. XD
paper salmon
yeah and macro involves everyone knowing about macro not just one player tho. If you play league for years and you don't spend much time playing ranked you can get that knowledge eventually so that means that at least a small percentage have the basics down
loud tulip
Honestly I somewhat agree with this, most people that sticks around these threads are silver and bronze and give out the worst advices
paper salmon
Like, people can't share their two cents based on knowledge they can obtain from...
like the whole basis of most jobs that require you to learn and investigate is just a bunch of regular people following the advice of other people who might even be new at the thing they are doing but if it's corroborated and they have a source then it has more validity and are more believable.
And in league any "advice" that is given is related to yourself in the sense that it's more useful to you based on your playstyle than it is to others in general. It's hard to generalize something that comes from personal experience. Multiple people have to experiment a certain theory or "advice" and say it's viable or it isn't.
Low elo players that give advice are generally more likely to be wrong ofc. Getting to my point, we can't speak in absolutes about these things. There are too man variables
Low elo and high elo are different and a low elo players have probably never been in high elo so any knowledge they have is mostly about their own elo which can or can't apply to higher elos but if they watch pro players and a lot of youtube videos they can definitely have a say which makes the title of this thread objectively wrong. On the other hand misinformation can be easily spread.
boreal heath
like the whole basis of most jobs that require you to learn and investigate is j...
My ADHD while I'm trying to read that be like:
Not even making fun of your message, tbh. I legit have trouble reading longer messages due to my ADHD... X_X
But, yeah, I see what you mean, at least
So long as you're not spouting a bunch of nonsense, there's nothing to worry about. 😄
Heck, I enjoy making guides myself, but I do my best to make it clear that "I'm not a pro, so take what I advise with a grain of salt".
Even then, I'm more than willing to use actual pros' advice as references, etc.
young belfry
Listen I think everyone here is miserable 🤓 including myself cuz I wrote 1 msg while you guys = essay
short bison
lcs btw
coral totem
Elitism at its finest in this thread mmm delicious
paper salmon
we all need a second opinion
kindred timber
ill say what i've said before
we shouldn't gatekeep people giving advice for a video game!!!
coral totem
nope sorry your total worth as an individual rides on your skill expression on the rift
kindred timber
the only thing that someone has said here that makes sense is the fact high elo players will give better advice
while that may be true, it is still entirely possible for them to give incorrect advice
better to just have a conversation or debate instead of bringing rank into it :)
coral totem
Why take advice from absolutely anyone on Discord when this game has thousands of content creators with verifiable skill levels spanning years and years, what could someone here provide that isn't already meticulously explained online
kindred timber
that as well, but ig it's just easier to ask here than go google search
don't ask me why
hollow inlet
Why take advice from absolutely anyone on Discord when this game has thousands o...
the only thing i can think of is specific advice immediately that might be hard/take long to find
paper salmon
we shouldn't gatekeep people giving advice for a video game!!!
it's not even possible to do that and this thread title was made just to trigger some people
coral totem
I suppose, though the quality and quantity of champion specific guides, walthroughs, builds, and combo tutorials is bigger and better than ever thanks to the overlay ecosystem et cetera
kindred timber
yes i know, which is something else i've said before in this thread
hollow inlet
it's not even possible to do that and this thread title was made just to trigger...
seeing the responses it clearly worked 
kindred timber
this entire thread is ego and a bait
paper salmon
yup
vapid moat
Why take advice from absolutely anyone on Discord when this game has thousands o...
most content creators give generic advice that doesnt even mean anything
like a guy asks for career advice and gets told "believe in yourself" thats what league generic advice looks like
honest pendant
So true
vapid moat
its geared for super low elo players so if you're not literally handless but still arent good its hard to find good advice
hot moon
most content creators give generic advice that doesnt even mean anything
They just potato farm hard stuck silver and gold players
calm bolt
most content creators give generic advice that doesnt even mean anything
They just want to guide their watchers to agree with them and create changes that would only benefit them
paper salmon
its geared for super low elo players so if you're not literally handless but sti...
makes sense since most of the player base is in low elo
honest pendant
if its most it cant be low then it would be average elo ?
hearty tartan
silvers shouldnt give tips for climbing
spark lava
if its most it cant be low then it would be average elo ?
When League players discuss high/low ELO, they usually put the divide at either Plat (top 15%) or Diamond 2 (top 1%)
Not saying this is good or bad but it seems to be the convention
hasty glen
D2+ since league of legend starts to feel like league of legends at that elo
plat gameplay is the same as gold
spark lava
Well league of legends to 99% of the ranked player base is not D2+ SoloQ gameplay
hasty glen
yep and that's why most advice is useless
it's better to play in a way that lets you carry in your specific elo
advice about specific mechanics and matchups of champs though are helpful for the majority of the playerbase
digital hound
I mean to be fair there are some low elo players that do give some solid advice but that's rare to come by these days
minor orbit
I agree with this title 100% there are hardstuck bronzes giving advices, it shouldn't be allowed
honest pendant
You can have a knowledge even without playing a game regularly from other resources and perspectives
For example as someone was talking about professional coaches not being high enough to actually be valued
That's simply not true because they are watching game actively
They have professional high level players around 'em who's helping with setting up meta, builds and whatever else
hollow inlet
everyone should be allowed to give advice, but if its dogshit everyone is allowed to call them out on it
honest pendant
Tru
hollow inlet
everyone should be allowed to give advice, but if its dogshit everyone is allowe...
to add, quality of previous advice can also be used to determine whether current or future advice should be followed
green basalt
to add, quality of previous advice can also be used to determine whether current...
Is this a shoutout to a certain banned figure of our community 👀
honest pendant
Is this a shoutout to a certain banned figure of our community 👀
Did he get banned though?
green basalt
Did he get banned though?
Yeah
hollow inlet
wait, who are we talking about?
tall quartz
blight
hollow inlet
he got banned?
hollow inlet
i mean, he was wrong and annoying but no reason to ban tbh
green basalt
You don't think that's not ban worthy?
green basalt
Rule 3
green basalt
It's still not okay
Not just because it's not okay to threaten to do dangerous things (Like how telling someone to end themself is not okay despite not actually taking action)
But also Discord official rules
If Discord thinks that this server is allowing dangerous/bigotry
Then they will take action
So that's why a lot of servers ban a lot of words/actions to make sure they don't get in trouble
green basalt
True
dusk anvil
IS HE FINALLY GONE
hasty glen
gone but never forgotten 
paper salmon
if its most it cant be low then it would be average elo ?
Distribution:
Iron: 4.5%
Bronze: 25%
Silver: 33%
Gold: 24%
Platinum: 10%
Diamond: 1.7%
Master: 0.16%
GrandMaster: 0.030%
Challenger: 0.012%
where high elo starts is debatable but most of the players are in bronze silver and gold with most being in silver
average is literally silver
crystal yarrow
Argument riot uses is at plat and higher players start optimizing the game
u can always give advice whatever elo u r if u r the recipient of advice u shouldnt just accept it as the truth but think why what he is saying might be right
otherwise u will never understand the why and why nots of the game and apply it poorly to situations ingame
languid pine
diamond is cucumber low 😵💫
paper salmon
you all talk as if diamond is easy to achieve.
hollow inlet
its definitely achievable with a bit of effort
hollow inlet
Argument riot uses is at plat and higher players start optimizing the game
in the patch notes riot uses bronze-gold as average, plat-d3 as skilled, d2-chal as elite, and pro
so a 3 way division instead of a 2 way division is probably more accurate
paper salmon
how long does it take to achieve that since starting any sort of moba game?
hollow inlet
1-2 years if youre good, 3 years achievable by most
hollow inlet
depends how much effort you put into it
casual IMO is playing for fun, irrelevant of the amount of games or games per day
opaque cave
I STILL STAND BY MY STATEMENT
thick palm
Why did you revive this post
subtle terrace
Why are so many people reviving threads
thick palm
Could we all agree to try and not be necromancers and revive these
unborn hill
unborn hill
Only iron 4 players should give advice because this is the hardest to reach
iron 4 0 LP to be more precise
honest pendant
Lol what
thick palm
Why'd you change your username and pfp
Was one of your hot takes so controversial and bad that you had to erase your old identity
opaque cave
Why'd you change your username and pfp
the kog'maw skin was outdated
opaque cave
Was one of your hot takes so controversial and bad that you had to erase your ol...
If i was trying to erase my identity why would i revive an old post that I made?
thick palm
Why would you also change your username
opaque cave
Why would you also change your username
because why not?
thick palm
Because there's no reason other than realizing that your old username is cringe and you don't like it
opaque cave
you can make whatever assumptions you like, just sounds like projecting to me
gilded tide
i dont play ranked so it doesnt apply to me
thick palm
My username may be cringe but it's basically my online persona
Changing it would basically be erasing a part of myself
opaque cave
i dont play ranked so it doesnt apply to me
if you don't play ranked then you are categorized with the "aren't at least diamond" people
gilded tide
if you don't play ranked then you are categorized with the "aren't at least diam...
not rly
i cant give iron advice cause im not in iron
or gold advice cause im not in gold
not rly
it just means that i dont grind on a video game
which doesnt matter at all
opaque cave
you don't need to grind to play 10 ranked games
lucid dawn
People who have friends/play for fun
unborn hill
Lol what
There is a vid about that on YouTube
Iron 4 Accounts are worth more than Diamond Accounts
honest pendant
Iron 4 Accounts are worth more than Diamond Accounts
oh i was saying lol what to the og post ! but thank u that is actually interesting
honest pendant
nws
glass hornet
Why the fuck is this one back too?
glass hornet
Buh
subtle terrace
Only iron 4 players should give advice because this is the hardest to reach
True
honest pendant
Without a compass the soldier knows no disgrace
Out of the ashes
The eagle rises still
Freedom is calling to all men who bend their will
Winds of destruction
astral wadi
Why the fuck is this one back too?
Yo wtf i never seen someone with my icon
dull remnant
Excellent bait thread. Keep it up!
honest pendant
True. Too many lows spreading bad information
weary pivot
big true
vital sun
tbh nobody knows coaches
autumn depot
It’s a matter of relate-ability, yes maybe a bronze player should not be giving in depth macro advice, however there is definitely a place for other low Elo players giving a little niche advice would never work in a high Elo environment but can help escape the Iron - Bronze rankings. For example I main Shen and I struggled to climb, especially when facing juggernaut champs like mordekiser and Illoai. I was tipped off to run lethal tempo instead of the standard grasp rune page and cheese these chaps level 1. And this strat help me win games that old me would have never. Obviously around gold Elo this stopped working so I switched back to grasp and since it was gold Elo I was able to play around my team more confidently than Bronze Elo. Since then I have been consistently climbing and enjoying the process. I agree that low Elo players should not be giving fundamental advice. But low and high Elo are completely different ball games and different things work at different levels 🙂
stable igloo
Definitely true in most cases. Imagine a 1000 games gold giving you league advice. I wouldn't listen even if what he said was good advice.
thick palm
op revived it
I thought it was a new leaf who revived it
kindred timber
same person, separate accounts
indigo iron
Funny how most of people disagreeing with the original take are low elo hurt in their ego 0.o