Champs Shouldn't be Overloaded

[balmy sorrel]

I don't think champs should have so much in their kit, especially when those things are/will be taken away. For example, why can nilah make herself and her team invulnerable to auto attacks? Jax can only make himself invulnerable to auto attacks and shen's team has to stand in an aoe to gain the invulnerability to auto attacks. And why does bel summon minions when everything else in her kit is designed around punching enemies into oblivion? If a champ needs all of these things in their kit just to be fun then the champ is flawed.

[full patrol]

unfortunately the league playerbase is full of kids who eat up that shit and they pay more money than you

sad but true

game's monetization encourages very selfish design

[solid magnet]

bro doesn’t know what he’s saying

you don’t have to use the champ

[strong breach]

but you're at a disadvantage generally playing old champs lol

riot just remakes champs similarly that are better than the champ they copied but nilah is like one of the exceptions bc she's worse than samira

[tribal parcel]

belveth is easily countered with CC though

[balmy sorrel]

Ah yes it's not like any other 160 champs are countered by cc

[tribal parcel]

of course but most other champs won't openly put themselves into a spot where they can be cc'ed to death
idk i don't have much of an issue with her or the minion thing
since I think there are bigger threats by a long shot

[small belfry]

champions, in my opinion, should have, for the most part of the cast, a one dimensional playstyle or mechanic to their kit. I like the idea or archetypes or classes, but each characters in these categories should have something unique for themselves. You can have an all rounded champion, but not too much. And I feel like this is what rito is doing with their champs while overloading them.

Kog maw's mechanic is having a long range auto attacks that he can activate. Aphelios' mechanic is by micro managing his weapons.

Now you may tell me that some champions have a mechanic but are still overloaded, and this is the case for some champions like viego, but this is easily fixable by tunning down their kits

[sick creek]

riot is sadly too afraid to release champs that aren't overloaded. for example, vex who was supposed to be simple, is still insanely overloaded as a champ.

id put part of the blame on tencent

[small belfry]

yone, samira, akshan have no theme to their design, and they feel like they are doing too much shit

[sick creek]

they don't wanna lose any money, and they're afraid that if they release an insanely simple champ, aka nasus, or pre rework udyr, that it will lose them a ton of money

[small belfry]

except vex, seen from a certain angle, has one single theme, which is to cut off people in different ways with her passive. her abilies cover different chokepoint, but sadly, rito made it too overloaded

[sick creek]

which tbf, isn't entirely false. champs like skarner, ornn, nasus are rarely played

[sick creek]

it's not one, it's 2

she can either play as burst mage, oneshotting, or as a control type mage going everfrost

cc and stun locking

[small belfry]

ok but she was designed to be a control mage

and this is easily nerfable

[sick creek]

she's still overloaded nontheless

[small belfry]

not really since you have to nerf down her numbers and she isnt anymore

an overloaded champion defines a champion that has too much fro themselves

yone, viego, samira, akshan

they all have too much for themselves

[sick creek]

idk im biased, i dislike all new champs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tribal parcel]

is lee sin over loaded

[small belfry]

yes, i do dislike them too, but i dislike darius and do not think he is that overloaded

[sick creek]

the last champ i was genuinely excited for was gnar/ekko

which was years ago

[small belfry]

yeah, me was vex i got pretty excited, but not that much

i got excited for yone until they released him

[tribal parcel]

whats wrong w yone

[sick creek]

a lot of things

[small belfry]

dashes, healing, scaling, early game, tankyness, damage, cc, shields

the man has it all

[sick creek]

you look at yasuo who's balanced, and compare it to yone xd

the most broken part of yasuo is his windwall

which if you look at all the abilities that have been added since, make it seem balanced

[small belfry]

its even trash compared to them

XD

[sick creek]

honestly, im gonna find a random literally never ever played champ, play it in a random ass role and otp/main that shit

gonna put like 100-200 games on it in norms and possibly take it into ranked

[full fog]

overloaded champions may NOT be fun to play against, but lets be honest, if we didnt have these overloaded champions, we wouldn't have these fun playstyles, or cool ass montages and shit like that.

but it just saddens me that these new champions can do what the old champions do but 10x better lol

almost as if there isnt any point in picking the old champions

[strong breach]

hit up that ap gp sup

r would nuke

lich bane first item powerspike

[sick creek]

hmm

i feel like gp is picked a decent amount tho, no?

im tryna find champs like rell or skarner

[strong breach]

he's popular rn

idk why he spiked so much

[full fog]

hes picked alot more then you think, idk if its just NA or my elo lol

[strong breach]

rengar sup would be better tho more versatile and ap is safer than normal

[full fog]

buffs after buffs

thats why

[sick creek]

im tryna do smth like rell top

[strong breach]

he never got buffed

[sick creek]

that one dude in kr

[full fog]

what?

[strong breach]

he got his earlygame nerf

[full fog]

lol

[sick creek]

champ is basically never contested

[strong breach]

he got nerfed with dura patch

[sick creek]

and it's off meta af

[full fog]

and his late game buffed, no?

you could think of it as an adjustment ig

[strong breach]

earlygame nerf hits hard af

i keep losing fights w them 1 hp now cause of it

like lvl 3 dives

[full fog]

well of course, if ur going to one shot in the late game, u gotta earn it and go through all the nasty shit in the early game

dont u think

[strong breach]

he's balanced by skill

[full fog]

its a bit broken

that

[strong breach]

his early game is strill very good

[full fog]

ur strong

early game

mid game

late game?

cause that was literally

gp

[strong breach]

he's broken but he requires high skill to pilot

[full fog]

before his adjustment

[strong breach]

he was strong early and late with decent mid if going crit

now hes strong mid and late with his semi strong early

i mean he's still gp and these nerfs/buffs honestly didn't help for his main problem

[full fog]

yes, so i dont see a problem xd

[strong breach]

i'd rather have the stupid ass crit scaling on passive than 10 dmg early lol

+70 true dmg at passive at essence + 2 cloaks

100*

[full fog]

hey, at least riot didnt make him into a kayle early game champ lol

[strong breach]

kayle lt man

shit is hella oppressive if ur melee

[surreal depot]

"yasuo, who's balanced"

[small belfry]

yas aint balanced but aint overloaded

[obsidian yacht]

Heimerdinger, Taric, and Sivir have the top 3 highest winrates in the game and they were all released in 2009. Try again

[solid magnet]

Ryze support

[obsidian yacht]

you are crying about a 50% winrate champion that is "overloaded"

[nimble warren]

u are not getting the point

[obsidian yacht]

whats the point then? because if they were "overloaded" they would be much higher than 50%

they seem balanced to me

[nimble warren]

litelary has a 30% banrate in all ranks

[solid magnet]

And then junglers like belveth are considered pick or ban in top ranks

[nimble warren]

usually it takes them awhile to get those champs fixed instead of making them less overloaded

[obsidian yacht]

the newest champion will always have the highest ban rate because people don't want to bother to learn to play against them

no matter how simple or overloaded they are, the latest released champion will ALWAYS have highest banrate

[solid magnet]

what about belveth? didn't people have enough time to learn how to play against her?

[nimble warren]

doesnt change the fact about unhealthy champ designed

[obsidian yacht]

is her 26 second cooldown ability that lasts for just over 2 seconds too much for you?? lmaoo

[nimble warren]

who?

what spell

[obsidian yacht]

nilah

[nimble warren]

idk what it does tbh was thinking of different things

[obsidian yacht]

is belveths passive on her ultimate too "overloaded" brain cant comprehend a passive ultimate lmfaoo

oVerLOAded

[solid magnet]

@nimble warren why does belveth still hold 27% ban rate in D+? :)

[nimble warren]

idk

i am d4

[solid magnet]

Shouldn't high elo players already adapted to playing against her? :)

[nimble warren]

i have no right to talk

[obsidian yacht]

because she is the second latest champion to be released

[solid magnet]

even challanger 21% ban rate

[obsidian yacht]

all new champions will always have high banrates and there will always be soy boys like you who cry about it

[solid magnet]

There's been enough patches for people to adapt and optimize how to play against her :)

[nimble warren]

i wasthinking of gwen W akshan res renatra res

toxi to play agains

[solid magnet]

akshan casually killing enemy adc who got 3 kills to revive his team again

[nimble warren]

it doesnt make sense to have that in their kit

[obsidian yacht]

she's been out for just over 2 months, people ban her because they don't fully understand her, not because she is "overloaded"

[solid magnet]

And then renata Ws akshan so he can't die neither

sounds a rly fun bot combo

[solid magnet]

🤨 okay if 2 months of facing a champion is not enough for top tier players to understand what she does then she should have 100% ban rate low elo

[obsidian yacht]

2 months is very new, new champions will always be banned more. you think they are getting banned because they are overloaded but they are not

you are failing to see the connection between new champions and high banrates, you can check for every champions release they will be very high ban rates for the first few months

[copper pier]

Unironically complaining about Belveth and Nilah when they have been balanced already

Sure they have something really strong in their kit, but their kit as a whole

balances any abilities that is "op"

omg Garen and infinite hp regen and an ult that executes at 10%

But Garen also has no way of getting onto of anyone

Same stuff with Belveth and Nilah, late game monsters that are balanced out with a terrible early game

[copper pier]

And Yuumi with a 42% banrate is broken

or Zed with a 24% is also broken

Renata has a 11% so she must be weaker then the most op champ in the game Belveth

Yall keep throwing out these random numbers that means jackshit

Rell had a 19% banrate when released, did that mean she was op?

No

It's just that players bans new champs

[sick creek]

its not the fact theyre unbalanced, more or so that theyre just annoying to face lmfao

like i dont think anyone thinks twitch, naut, or even lb are unabalanced or broken

twitch is sitting at a 12.9% br, naut is at a 12.1% br, and lb is at a 10.5% br

all d2+

[strong breach]

wrs my dude barely matter

so it just got a rework facelift

heimer is easy to deal with and is only good into low range melee

and taric sucks unless he’s sup and the player himself has to properly r and he needs to have his teammates properly utilize his r

[regal wren]

its like yasuo, it was like 40% banrate from bronze-diamond for years and years

because its classed as 'anti-fun' champion

not because it was broken

just unfun to play versus

[balmy sorrel]

I'm saying that these champs have things in their kit that don't make sense being there

[obsidian yacht]

like a 26 second cd ability that lasts 2 seconds on Nilah?

[balmy sorrel]

Did you not read what I said about the ability?

[obsidian yacht]

and you failed to mention that it only lasts about 2 seconds

oVErLOAdED

[balmy sorrel]

It's not about how long it lasts

It's about it existing

[radiant sonnet]

True

[balmy sorrel]

Why does she make her team invulnerable to auto attacks

[solid magnet]

why you so mad about it

[radiant sonnet]

Because if the new champs aren't better than the old ones no one will buy them or their skins so they juice them up with unneeded bullshit

[balmy sorrel]

Sure but they could do that without overloading them

[radiant sonnet]

True that but it's just easier

To overload them

Sad truth

[balmy sorrel]

Yeah

Hopefully riot can get to a point where they make champs without adding on unnecessary things

[radiant sonnet]

one day

[balmy sorrel]

[obsidian yacht]

champion abilities shouldn't exist, you are right!

[full fog]

idk, i like when champions are overloaded :)

[obsidian yacht]

according to @balmy sorrel, riot should only release champions with the same complexity as Garen's kit

[full fog]

i legit guarantee you, doing that will make league less fun to watch

i love overloaded champs cause of their fun playstyle + watching montages

and personally, i dont have any trouble playing against "overloaded" champions

[balmy sorrel]

I'm guessing you didn't pay attention in english class when the teacher was teaching you about analysis

[obsidian yacht]

https://gyazo.com/33751a4c83f8180d5ba5fc0fac8c710c

hows this for analysis

[balmy sorrel]

Oh wow so now we're using ranks to justify non answers?

Nilah herself being invulnerable to auto attacks isn't a problem

[obsidian yacht]

non answers? you are the one trying to get personal about english class

[balmy sorrel]

Says the one who thinks that abilities shouldn't exist just because of a property

It makes sense for nilah to be invulnerable to auto attacks because she's a melee champ in a ranged role

What doesn't make sense is her giving her team invulnerability to auto attacks

[obsidian yacht]

if you couldnt sense the sarcasm in this, you have a really low IQ and your league rank reflects it as well

[balmy sorrel]

If it was just that then it would be sarcasm

But you went on it for a little too long for it to just be sarcasm

[obsidian yacht]

your brain too smol

[balmy sorrel]

I'm not so sure about that when it comes from somebody who thinks that winrates matter in a discussion about abilities and kits

[obsidian yacht]

winrates obviously don't matter to you, because you have a 46% in bronze 4

[balmy sorrel]

So we saying that akali was fine when she go released for her rework?

[obsidian yacht]

I don't remember that specific time frame so i couldnt tell you

[balmy sorrel]

Tell me getting invulnerability to towers while in twilight shroud isn't busted

[obsidian yacht]

I do remember her shroud dropping tower aggro, and I agree that is busted

but trying to compare nilah W to akali W dropping tower aggro is just ridiculous

[balmy sorrel]

I'm comparing an unnecessary property to an unnecessary property

[obsidian yacht]

nilah W is balanced imo, for it's short duration and long cd

[solid magnet]

belveth counter: run away from her lemao

[solid magnet]

the problem is she can apply it to teammates

and she gets bonus xp for no reason ??

[obsidian yacht]

she has 2 seconds to apply it to teammates, you are acting as if it is a taric ult

[balmy sorrel]

That's what I've been trying to explain

[solid magnet]

yet she can flash on teammate to save him, imagine how tilting that is?

[obsidian yacht]

2 seconds to walk on top of your teammates

[balmy sorrel]

The stats don't matter

[obsidian yacht]

shen W does the same exact thing and lasts longer lmao

[solid magnet]

2 seconds is tf stun, compare it to that its not that short

[balmy sorrel]

It's about the property existing

[obsidian yacht]

property existing? is this chemistry class??

[solid magnet]

yet shen cant ult 5 people and 1shot them all

you cant compare 2 different classes and roles

[balmy sorrel]

Shen's team has to stand in it and plus he's a warden

Wardens have abilities that protect their team

[solid magnet]

yup

[obsidian yacht]

you guys are actual clowns if you think nilah W is broken

[solid magnet]

i dont think its broken, its just bad design

similar to yuumi

[balmy sorrel]

It doesn't make any sense being there

[obsidian yacht]

if you were higher than bronze 4, you would realize that there are plenty of abilities that you need to play around, such as Jax E, Samira W, Fiora W, and playing around these abilities and waiting for your opponent to make a mistake is what makes league fun

I think nilah W makes perfect sense being there and makes the enemy think twice before going all-in on you

[sick creek]

league needs overloaded kits

granted i dont think they should release them as often as they are

but league needs em

[solid magnet]

its adc tho, it just changes the concept design of a role, adc is made to have low mobility and not have defense, nilah has both plus deals a ton of dmg, making her directyl superior to someone like jhin or aphelios, so why play those champs except fun?

[sick creek]

game would grow insanely boring

[solid magnet]

true ture it would just end up being stat checking if champions dont have new design and concepts

but some things are just bad design like yuumi and samira or nilah w

[tribal parcel]

nilah w is fine

[sick creek]

game without overloaded champs or without broken chars would make it stale and boring

[solid magnet]

its not overpowered just shi design

[sick creek]

pro play rn is insanely stale

[tribal parcel]

she has no range and if you go in on her KNOWING she has it up
then that’s on you

[sick creek]

would just transfer over to regular play

[solid magnet]

she has around the same range as someone like kaisa when she uses q making her attacks melee kinda irrelevant

[balmy sorrel]

But then what happens when she goes on you with her W up?

[tribal parcel]

then she gets free damage and you have to wait
just like the other dodge champs

[solid magnet]

pro play is basically stat checking, crazy plays happen once in 2 years xd

[tribal parcel]

it’s positioning

[sick creek]

its just stale

rlly boring

same shit

[solid magnet]

true true

[sick creek]

entire reason why LPL (?)

is adding the one draft

thing

[solid magnet]

theres a reason they all play scaling champs like jinx

[obsidian yacht]

run away for 2.5 seconds and then attack her?

https://tenor.com/view/brain-overload-jon-stewart-mind-blown-gif-10750474

[balmy sorrel]

I mean

2 dashes and ult

Along with you being a marksmen who doesn't have much mobility

[obsidian yacht]

if she was as overpowered as you think she is, then she would have well above a 50% winrate. but she doesnt

[balmy sorrel]

I'm not calling her op

I'm saying it doesn't make sense for her to be able to make her team invulnerable to auto attacks

[obsidian yacht]

samira does like the same thing with her W lol wtf u mean

[sick creek]

nilah isn't even broken

[balmy sorrel]

The purpose of samira's W is to delete projectiles

[sick creek]

she's mediocre at best

[obsidian yacht]

which also makes her team invulnerable to auto attacks for the duration hahahahahah

[balmy sorrel]

While the purpose of nilah's W is to protect herself from auto attacks

Samira's W is like yasuo's W

[obsidian yacht]

samira has a better W because it also stops abilities unlike nilah's

[sick creek]

im ngl samira and nilah are hella similar

now that i think about it

[obsidian yacht]

i agree

[balmy sorrel]

Nilah is like a melee version of samira

[sick creek]

both can do the e q combo

[obsidian yacht]

and they are not "overloaded"

[sick creek]

both have some type of like

invulnerability???

idk how to describe them together

the w

[balmy sorrel]

Both have point and click dashes and an ult that deals damage to enemies in an aoe

[sick creek]

nilah has old samira e

where u can dash to both enemies and allie's

i think they're different enough tho, they don't have the exact same identity/play style

[balmy sorrel]

Samira is about weaving her attacks and abilities together to use her ult

While nilah is like a weird mix between a diver and a skirmisher

[obsidian yacht]

I just don't get how you can call nilah "overloaded" when champions that have two forms exist. Like rek'sai, elise, gnar, and shyvana. they have two forms and a different ability for each form and you are saying that an ADC with pretty straightforward abilities is overloaded????

I just think you don't understand her and instead of taking the time to, you call her overloaded and complain

[balmy sorrel]

Stop ignoring the fact that nilah has things in her kit that don't make sense being there

Those champs are centered around having different forms

[obsidian yacht]

doesn't make sense???

[balmy sorrel]

Ya

[obsidian yacht]

how does it not make sense lmao u sound stupid

[sick creek]

there are a few champs that have things in their kit that doesn't make sense

i don't think nilah is one of them tho sadly

[balmy sorrel]

Her playstyle isn't designed around protecting teammates so why can she make her team invulnerable to auto attacks?

[sick creek]

the only thing that i would say doesn't belong in nilahs kit

is her w passive (?)

[obsidian yacht]

and you get to decide what she is "designed around"?

[sick creek]

where she shares xp

outside that i think she's fine

[balmy sorrel]

Explain what her kit is designed around

[obsidian yacht]

it doesn't have to be designed around anything. You play around the strengths and weaknesses of the champion

[balmy sorrel]

Doesn't every new champ have their kits designed around a gimmick?

[obsidian yacht]

nope

[sick creek]

not rlly

there are a few exceptions

[echo elbow]

Overloaded? No that's overtuned. Her kit is simpler than Akshan and Akali but it's strong because it's Overtuned.

Overloaded = unecessary amounts of nuances and details in a kit (Akshan, Samira, Akali)

Overtuned = Numbers are very high on a champions kit (Sett, Vex)

[sick creek]

yuumi, kled, kayn

[echo elbow]

there's a distinct difference yet people keep making the mistake

Vex was overtuned not overloaded

compare her kit to Akshan and see that it's not really overloaded but rather overtuned

[obsidian yacht]

not overtuned or overloaded you are both wrong

[sick creek]

akshan on release was insanely undertuned

[balmy sorrel]

But he was and still is overloaded

[obsidian yacht]

if she was overtuned she would have a super high winrate but she doesn't

she is balanced

[echo elbow]

at release she was overtuned

that's what I'm assuming

[obsidian yacht]

yes, the first day she was released she was

but they hotfixed her by the end of the day

[echo elbow]

yet people said she is overloaded

which isn't the case

[sick creek]

akshan got so much shit for having the w gimmick that riot had to completely gut his damage on release

he hit like a pebble lmao

rlly laughable dmg

[echo elbow]

the same is also said when Riot said that they found Mundo's rework was a problem yet put it under the "Overloaded" section

They too made the same mistake

while I don't agree that Mundo was overtuned they still used the wrong word for describing Mundo

and I think the same would also apply to the other champions

in that video

they should have said "overtuned" but said Overloaded

clearly the champs were overloaded

Samira, Akshan etc.

yet when we look at Akshan we see that he wasn't strong at the start, thus should be "Undertuned"

which is what I think they were trying to say

[sick creek]

he was honestly more than undertuned

he wasn't even a champ outside his revive

[echo elbow]

and regarding the Nilah part

NIlah W is just a utility spell not her main gimmick

one piece of a whole

it makes just as sense as Ashe having a Vision utility tool

why does she have it? It's a utility spell

so is Nilah's W

if she did not have a defensive spell as a near melee carry against champions who have significantly higher AA range than her then what's the point of playing her

and this is also disregarding the fact that there are other spells to consider

[spiral hull]

honestly if u are gonna complain abt the game then dont play ?XD

[dull iris]

case in point damn near every champion being released the last few years is generic hot guy or generic hot chick

[solid magnet]

you are clearly not the smartest

[sick creek]

are we not allowed to complain about a game we play and or enjoy?

weird

[obsidian yacht]

I disagree, I do not think any of these newly released champions are "hot" or sexualized. If you are attracted to Bel'veth, Vex, Reanata then I seriously consider going to get professional help because you need it.

[dull iris]

All but a couple of new champs are sexualized

If you seriously thought I meant vex bel veth renata you are not paying attention

[obsidian yacht]

"damn near every champion" i'm not trying to interpret anything, I'm just reading it how it is, so yes i'm paying attention. Try again 🙂

[dull iris]

did I say every new champion? no, I don't think I did.

Read

[obsidian yacht]

I literally listed 3 of the last 5 champions released lmao 🤡

[full patrol]

Renata not sexy lmfao these are the kids they market towards

[obsidian yacht]

Can you explain how they are sexualized? They look like normal video game characters to me ngl.

[full patrol]

Bel Veth should have been a manta ray but they had to give her a midriff and hourglass figure and human face to sell 💀

[obsidian yacht]

https://gyazo.com/228267860562520576e4401ed62bd367

you telling me you cant keep it in your pants when you see this?

DOES THIS LOOK SEXUALIZED

HAHAHAHHA

[full patrol]

Yes

Lmfao

[obsidian yacht]

league players are seriously deranged lmao

[full patrol]

You're basic, you're so basic. They made this game for you.

In your head the only reason Renata isn't sexy is she wears clothes

[obsidian yacht]

I just don't think league of legends is sexualized. I've seen other games such as that Genshin Impact game, and games like that are 100% sexualized.

[eager hollow]

I’m surprised no one in this thread mentions zeri xdd

By far the most overtuned overloaded champ riot has released in the past few years

Both the LCK and LPL are absolutely ruined by her

She has some ungodly stats

And a bunch of shit in her kit is just there for the fuck of it

And to whoever said Nilah isn’t overloaded she absolutely is

I agree that she needs a defensive ability as a melee adc

So while the jax E is somewhat reasonable

The fact that it’s passed on to Allies makes absolutely no sense

Other than haha she spreads joy!

Her shielding and healing bonuses are fine

The xp mechanic has no right being there

Shouldn’t exist whatsoever

and while yes she is melee and should be harassed in lane to prevent her from last hitting

You shouldn’t lose lane simply because you let the enemy adc farm a few waves

If she and her support hit 6 before you do you are absolutely fucked for no reason

Even if u don’t die u have to play around a leve up that’s not even your fault

[spiral hull]

LMAO i smurf ur peak

[solid magnet]

what rank are u

[copper pier]

Based

[full patrol]

Other games being more sexualized isnt an argument

[obsidian yacht]

im just giving an example of what a sexualized game looks like and league is nothing compared to that

[obsidian yacht]

the only thing that you could argue that shouldn't be there is the xp mechanic.

[sick creek]

zeri is fine lmao

riot just refuse to nerf the thing that shouldn't have been added in the first place

[obsidian yacht]

they nerfed zeri where she is unplayable right now

[sick creek]

yet she still has her w crit

for some reason

lmao

gj riot

[copper pier]

You don't need to expose your fetish for us lmfao

[sick creek]

made champ unplayable just to keep the most unhealthy thing in her kit

[spiral hull]

326lp last season

[obsidian yacht]

https://streamable.com/iq8w5r
since zeri got nerfed i cant do this anymore 😦

[copper pier]

You will be punished even more the higher you go

It won't just be a few waves

[sick creek]

rank doesn't matter, the take was so incredibly stupid lmao

[full patrol]

They gave a void monster hips midriff and a human face and yall coping this hard

[sick creek]

"if ur gonna complain don't play 🤓" like??

[sick creek]

i wasn't even talking about bel veth?

what?

[full patrol]

Sorry misclick

Meant to reply to something else

@copper pier

[spiral hull]

explain to me how im wrong lol

[sick creek]

are people not allowed to complain about something they enjoy playing?

[spiral hull]

if you have the effort to sit here and write an essay abt why the game sucks u might as well try getting better instead

[copper pier]

Just because it has a face doesn't mean it's being sexualized

[sick creek]

????

[spiral hull]

‘enjoy playing’

[sick creek]

lmfao ur takes are so stupid it's crazy xd

[spiral hull]

yea guys fuck this game this game is shit everything so unbalanced i love the game guys yes

[sick creek]

high elo clearly doesn't mean brains

😔

[spiral hull]

its like how people are complaining about the event being shit and all yet they still buy the pass and empty their wallets its like

[full patrol]

Ignoring all the other factors.

[spiral hull]

why are you doing that if you hate the game

[copper pier]

Ivern is being sexualized then

Face check
long legs check

[full patrol]

K cant argue with someone this obtuse

[copper pier]

Nah I'm just not horny like you

[full patrol]

"Hey MF showing so much skin is kind of sexualized"

'Yeah bro anivia doesnt wear any clothes do you think she's sexualized too?'

[spiral hull]

reksai😳

[full patrol]

"Kaisa's two inch waist and skin tight suit is kind of sexualized"

'Have you SEEN fiddlesticks???'

[spiral hull]

KAISA😳

[copper pier]

"Hey Akali has hips midriff and a human face is kind of being sexualized"

Yeah bro BelVeth also has hips midriff and a human face do you think she's being sexualized too?"

Just like some people have a fetish for Vaporeon, I respect your fetish for Belveth

But most people don't think of Belveth as being sexualized lmfao

[full patrol]

I'm not saying she's sexualized because she's like Akali. I'm saying she's sexualized because they made efforts to make her silhouette commonly considered attractive human traits like hip waist ratio and so on. On a champ that's a literal monster from the void, ie not exactly something that needed to be humanoid especially considering we already have tons of humanoids and several humanoids from the void. So what's the need for that design choice other than it sells better

I'm not a zoomer so I remember when people said MF wasnt sexualized. People are stupid

[eager hollow]

this happens all the time with overloaded kits

riot adds mechanics

they simply cant balance

kallista

azir

zeri

ryze

just to name a few

[sinful silo]

ryze is overloaded? xdd

[eager hollow]

used to be

pre the last 300 reworks

he was very complicated

then they made him some 2 button fucking turbo int champ

thats unplayable outside of pro

they cant balance these champs

theyre either so fucking dogshit in soloq

or so broken

aphelios too

[sinful silo]

allah ryze you should time warp into enemy fountain to lower wr to 40%

[eager hollow]

in the end riot cant stop adding these incredibly frustrating mechanics

because it markets the champ in a way

makes them seem more appealing

[eager hollow]

shes not fine

shes gutted xd

they couldnt fix her

so they threw her in the below 48% wr dumpster like aphelios

and called it a day

classic riot

theres a case to be made for aphelios atleast

because it requires a degree to play him perfectly

but zeri isnt even hard

[full patrol]

Overall kits with a ton of shit tacked on are largely just a sign of designers struggling to make kits that function and a lack of faith in the community to develop kits into niches organically

[obsidian yacht]

below 46%**

[eager hollow]

LMAO

[sinful silo]

GUYS BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ryze with first strike and scorch is a fucking beast i just onehsoted 3 ppl with e>q thats fucking crazy i just discomobombulated their fucking balls of i cant even comprehgend what happend

[obsidian yacht]

meanwhile riot gives sivir a "nerf" in 12.14 but its actually a buff and her winrate goes even higher

[eager hollow]

every mini rework theyve made recently has been a nightmare

olaf swain ahri sivir have been the most recent

swain and olaf completely broke the game

both being top tier picks in multiple roles

ahri was busted mid for several patches

and sivir is still the best ADC in the game since

the yi mini rework was fixed quickly enough

hes still a good pick

but hes not completely busted

[obsidian yacht]

good nerf riot

https://gyazo.com/589a2b54b0f5fced8d4ed43465ab03d6

https://gyazo.com/b9f9f910947b3443b44558bd3051a02f

[sick creek]

read what else i said please :)

thank you

[balmy sorrel]

People should be allowed to criticize a game that they like

[sick creek]

yup, again high elo =/= brains xd

[floral seal]

No draven

[formal plover]

@balmy sorrel so please tell me what they should do for new champions

When they already have 161 champions in the game

Tell me how easy it is to keep all of them different from one another

[echo elbow]

Designing Champions is way easier said than done

and no having more members in a project doesn't mean it'll be easier

[balmy sorrel]

Have a gimmick and make the kit around that gimmick

[obsidian yacht]

if i was riot i would just steal ideas from dota 2 and hots for some new character ideas & change it up a little

Hots has a hero called Zul'jin who is a ranged and he is like a mix if you put draven + tryndamere together

[strong breach]

there is no bottleneck in champion design with staff

it's not too hard of an idea either u just throw out ideas

hardest thing for them is going to be throwing it into lore if they decide to

i can easily create 10 champs in a day but having them go with lore will be the bottleneck

[full patrol]

some of the most loved champs in league were made in like a months time in 2012 and with 2 weeks between the release of other champs. making champs people love isn't hard

the hard part is making champs that are individually immediate financial successes that a billion dollar company is relying on to make its quarter

[strong breach]

literally just make a high skill cap wizard like an actual wizard with the wizard hat and stuff not champs like ryze ori or syndra

give him a single target attack on q an aoe on w and a heal or movement abil on e then r use ur creativity

maybe a root/stun or a blink into an aoe stun

or just a good dmg ult

wizards are an extremely diverse and easy thing to base it off of

or just make more adcs as adc role has the least amount of champs

[solid magnet]

if you have problem with it don’t play the game

simple

[sick creek]

rlly bad take

...again

[balmy sorrel]

And why is that?

Oh wait you mean the don't play take?

[sick creek]

yes

[nimble warren]

Well i think sett akshan and renatra are good realses aside the revives of renatra and akshan otherwise they are good

[sick creek]

akshan is fine outside revive and possibly e reset on kill

[nimble warren]

Riot managed to do cool shit with 150+ champs without breaking the game o believe they can keep that up for a while but money to good

[sick creek]

renata is fine outside her w

mostly just her w

[nimble warren]

No just perma w ress

[sick creek]

her r is fine

[nimble warren]

R is finny

And akshan is just the res i would maybe remove splitdamage for yone and give him a little buff or smth

[sick creek]

riot had to dumb down akshan dmg so much bc ppl hated his w mechanic

dude needed an instant hot fix buff

[sharp tiger]

saw an idea that yone can only go out of E if he got a kill or if the timer is over thats why more fair for trading but i dont know how itll affect him

[solid magnet]

i mean all this complaining isn’t gonna change riots mind

[sharp tiger]

No it will these threads are their main place for changes and ideas

Mr riot is lurking

[sick creek]

even if it doesn't change their mind, who cares? people complain about things they enjoy all the time

being passionate about a hobby isn't a bad thing lmao

[floral seal]

true

and no matter what people will always coplain about something in league

[sick creek]

it doesn't even have to be league, it can be sports, it can be art, etc

if it's a hobby, people will complain about something

it's inevitable

[solid magnet]

Dude people complain even about ice in drinks like humans are complaint machines

[formal plover]

Sett: Everything was fine asside from the W being overtuned.

“Riot: nerf everything but the W

Akshan: max E Akshan was destroying everyone cause the dmg was way off in release.

Renata: was definitely broken hands down (passive and W)

One of the most underlooked passives in the game for a enchanter. Easily decided lvl 1 fights in bot lane and made trades way too 1 sided. Hell it still does

[sharp tiger]

late game zilean is way worse tho

agreed that in laning she can start reviving people from lvl 1 but thats not realistic

[lapis holly]

one word : powercreep

[formal plover]

Yeah except the people that play zilean make him look hard when he’s brain dead.

Here’s what happens when a zilean is on your team.

(R ready after everyone dies) (ults himself instead his carry) (wastes both E’s on himself) (builds full ap when the only dmg in his kit is his Q) (“wasn’t in range” R range 900)

Enemy team: slows your by 99% for 200 years, his Olaf is diving your team with 1000 ms, reviving his carrys 24 7, boosting entire team with ms 24 7, bombs stunning you 24 7, will stack xp for a giant lvl up.

And no honestly zilean falls off the more the game goes

The only thing that keeps him good is his E and R in late the game. But at that point his passive is useless and his Q does no dmg. Still don’t ever build ap on him

[sharp tiger]

what

cope

tf is that

im saying that he has a 30 sec revive that doesnt need a kill so its better

worse to go against, if thats where you misunderstood

i know how fucking easy he is 💀

[formal plover]

Zilean is easy. Your teammates try to make him look hard

[sharp tiger]

What are you implying

Cope cause they’re selfish or..?

[formal plover]

^^^

This is what I’m implying @sharp tiger

[full patrol]

the only thing strong about renata is her R, literally like the best teamfight ability in the game

[floral seal]

Her W is a literal revive and her passive does a lot of dmg

[full patrol]

Her W revive is so conditional it's basically a win-more spell or extremely niche

if you die to proc it, you probably are going to lose anyways

[floral seal]

Not really, just click it on carry and let them do the work

Also her Q is a solid Cc tool

[sharp tiger]

Yeah

[full patrol]

her Q is a solid spell not crazy by any means

[sharp tiger]

Her cd are p good too

Like she isnt above all the other enchanters just really good with good abilities

[full patrol]

only reason she's p/b is the ult

[sharp tiger]

Sometimes but if times right it isn’t

[full patrol]

every single teamfight warps around it because its so slow and so huge

[sharp tiger]

Yup

Unless you click on zhonyas

Nah still

The cool-down is also short enough to have it ready every fight

[full patrol]

The fact it's a very strong CC and in teamfights it does insane damage just pushes it over

it's just so much one spell, you might flash it, or zhonyas it, or banshees, but if your ADC doesn't bye bye

[sharp tiger]

Tbf if they don’t have good AA champs or the ones that do are weak it feels kinda useless

But then why pick her

[full patrol]

Except then it's just a team wide Shen taunt

[sharp tiger]

True

But it’s really short

[full patrol]

It's honestly like fiddle fear ult minus the condition of needing to be from stealth

[sharp tiger]

The damage + short duration is what makes it good

[full patrol]

except it's better than fear because making enemies move closer to each other is optimal

[sharp tiger]

Yup

Only problem it’s 1-1.5-2 seconds and enemies aren’t that fast

If they aren’t too close it won’t do a lot

Just move them closer if at all

But that’s a niche scenario so if doesn’t really count

[floral seal]

1-2 seconds is all you need to win a team fight, especially in higher elos where she’s hella abused

[sharp tiger]

Truee

fair point

[floral seal]

1 second is the difference from someone getting bursted down and or flashing

[sharp tiger]

Don’t think I’ve seen a perfect Renata R yet

[full patrol]

I don't think Renata is actually that crazy OP altogether honestly, before the nerf. Just that her ult is wayyy too much of her budget

[sharp tiger]

That should change my mind on that I’ll have a look

[sharp tiger]

That’s my thought too

She has a really good kit. That’s it

Enchanters aren’t amazing especially with the items nerfs

But she still is amazing and definitely slept on in low elo

She isn’t overloaded except for her R having a unique effect

The fact she can revive from lvl 1 (you shouldn’t pick W lvl 1 but you can) is kinda crazy still

[formal plover]

Oh no renata was dumb before the nerfs