Changes League Needs!!

[wet nymph]

not even lmao

[noble wagon]

also it's immo for like 2 seconds

[wet nymph]

u cannot compare zhonyas to maw

[fallen atlas]

no one builds its it a worse version of zhonyas and costs more

[noble wagon]

worse? it revives you lmao

if you hourglass at 1 hp you're still at 1hp

[wet nymph]

maw offers the same thing as zhonyas, except it allows you to move, still use abilities

and not be a sitting duck

[fallen atlas]

Yea but its used for different things than zhonyas

[wet nymph]

maw basically makes you invincible to ap champs

[noble wagon]

zhonyas is purely a setup item

you either use it with a persistent effect (like morg R)

[wet nymph]

you cannot compare zhonyas to an item like maw in terms of being broken lmao

[noble wagon]

or you use it to reset cooldowns so you can burst again or do something meaningful in a teamfight before you die

or use it to buy that extra 2 seconds for your team to collapse

[fallen atlas]

or to be a coward who spams it everytime its up for no reason

[wet nymph]

also, majority of ap champs are forced into building zhonyas

[fallen atlas]

yea cuz its op

[wet nymph]

considering ap champs have absolutely 0 diversity in builds

[noble wagon]

a lot of people get auto'd once and use hourglass. it's another one of those low skill floor high ceiling things

[wet nymph]

nope

we literally have no diversity for ap builds

[noble wagon]

hitting hourglass at the right moment is crucial in 90% of encounters

[wet nymph]

and it's the only counterplay we have for assassins and dive champs

[fallen atlas]

yea cuz there arent any ap items

[noble wagon]

if you hit too early or too late it's just a full waste of the activation

[fallen atlas]

well why do you need counterplay for them? If assasins are mage's weakness why should there be a item that takes aways their weaknesses

[wet nymph]

one of the most stupid comments i've ever seen made

[noble wagon]

do you want to just autolose? league is not rock-paper-scissors

[fallen atlas]

Nah but riot is just making items that take away weaknesses from different roles

[wet nymph]

and that's impressive when blightknight exists

[fleet badge]

We have moved away from when league was just a big game of rock paper scissors

[noble wagon]

it rewards GOOD decision making and building. if you wanna cookie cutter a build every fuckin game with no innovation sure

[fallen atlas]

also the new champs usually have something that make their role's weaknesses nonexistent

[wet nymph]

one day you will realize just how broken ad items are

compared to any ap items

[noble wagon]

"enemy team is all ap"
"oh shit guess I build kraken>bork>rageblade"
like no, lol. build wit's end or some shit

[wet nymph]

build maw and wits

and they can't do anything lmao

[noble wagon]

what is maw

is that the annul item

for ad

[wet nymph]

it's the mr shield item

[fallen atlas]

they have magic pen

[wet nymph]

hexdrinker

we have void staff

that's it

lmao

sorc boots and void

[noble wagon]

annul is the effect

[fallen atlas]

and the base mr from things is too low so you dont even get much of it

[noble wagon]

like banshee's veil is the ap annul item

[fallen atlas]

2 mythics and the new item

[wet nymph]

sorc boots and void cannot kill through a maw and a wits end

it's 1 mythic

lmao

[fallen atlas]

2

[wet nymph]

protobelt

[fallen atlas]

ludens

idiot

[wet nymph]

ludens as well

mb

[fallen atlas]

do you even play the game

[wet nymph]

still

lmao?

[noble wagon]

vs heavy ap carries I build force of nature and spirit visage and drink their tears

[wet nymph]

even with items like ludens, proto (forced into one), void and sorcs

you can't do shit against someone who has maw

or maw + wits

[fallen atlas]

You can easily

[wet nymph]

no

you can't

[noble wagon]

it's just like... pay attention to your lobby and build around what's fed/strong on the enemy team. it's a simple concept

[wet nymph]

lmao

[fallen atlas]

If you dont hit your spells then ofc you cant

[wet nymph]

i play a champ

who has no skill shots

[noble wagon]

had a vayne game where morde was hyperfed so I built mercurial and fucked him

[wet nymph]

and it's still impossible to kill

bc guess what

[noble wagon]

like.. simple concept

[wet nymph]

maw is broken

[wet nymph]

i still want a qss option for ap champs

it's so impossible to play as ap champ into someone like malz

ur basically forced to sit back line and wait for him to use r xd

[noble wagon]

I fucking hate malz R

[fleet badge]

Malz ult is very annoying

[noble wagon]

like sitting some stunlock shit is annoying already but malz R takes the cake

[wet nymph]

1 sec ill pull up ad items and make a list

[noble wagon]

I'm afk for a while but will check back later

[fallen atlas]

Then how are over half of the top 50 champs with highest winrates ap if they are so easily counterable

[wet nymph]

Divine, Eclipse (debatable), Goredrinker, Immortal, Umbral, Serylads, Serpents (only bc it's an actual shieldbreaking item lmao), Manamune, MAW, LDR, Hullbreaker, Black Cleaver, Bork

[wet nymph]

lmao this comment

xdddd

i can't

[fallen atlas]

kekw you cant argue against facts

[wet nymph]

that isn't facts, that comment just has nothing to do with what we're talking about

it's incredibly stupid lmao

[wet nymph]

@noble wagon @fleet badge thoughts?

[fallen atlas]

Well you say ap champs are easily countered by maw and wits and still ap champs have higher winrates.

[wet nymph]

god stop typing

pls

😭😭😭

ur embarrassing urself

genuine question

just so you can possibly save urself

are you being serious?

like are you typing this and going "yes this makes perfect sense"

[fleet badge]

I'm not sure because I don't usually build these items unless I get autofilled

[wet nymph]

ah

np

[fallen atlas]

I just replied to your comment where you said that ap champs cant do anything against champs with maw or wits.

[icy pagoda]

ok

[wet nymph]

because they can't? it's so impossible and so incredibly shit to play against a champ with maw

wits you can atleast do smth

maw is just so insanely broken as an item

[fallen atlas]

Then how do you expain ap champs having higher winrates even tough there are these items

[wet nymph]

ap champs having high wr has nothing to do with this convo

at all

[weak elbow]

@noble wagon we did it

[wet nymph]

r u trying to be the next blightknight

lmfao

[fallen atlas]

Well winrates are pretty good indicator if a champ is good or not. Of course there the question of pick rate but they usually have pretty high pickrates as well

[wet nymph]

wr means nothing

xd

well, it has very very very little

meaning

[fallen atlas]

so sivir with 55% winrate means its bad

-_-

[wet nymph]

who said that?

lmao

bringing wr of champs into a convo about items is so stupid

bringing smth completely irrelevant into a diff convo

weirdo

[fallen atlas]

But they literally have a huge connection in the game

[weak elbow]

so anyways

aatrox support

new meta?

[wet nymph]

let's give an example, irelia builds immortal/divine

[fleet badge]

Weren't we having a conversation about items and not champs?

[wet nymph]

builds majority of the items i listed

she perma sits at a 48% wr

or

let's say

aphelios

[fallen atlas]

Yea cuz of the players that play him

[wet nymph]

he can build maw, he can build immortal (gale is kinda dog)

he's sitting at a 45% wr

or ezreal

he can build divine, he can build tri force

he can build maw

[fallen atlas]

These are not good examples, because majority of the players that play these champs cant actually play them

[wet nymph]

he can even build frozen heart

and frozen heart is insanely gold efficient

and honestly more broken than maw

[fallen atlas]

Yea ezreal can build many items

[wet nymph]

how come he's sitting at a 48% wr

weird

[fallen atlas]

highest pickrate champ

[wet nymph]

actually

sivir is

[fallen atlas]

no

[wet nymph]

and she has a 52% wr

yep

plat+

d2+ the difference is larger

hmm i wonder

it's totally not like wr on champs determines whether or not items are broken

[fallen atlas]

ezreal has 4 millions games played

while sivir has a little less than 3m

in this month

and in the current 7 days ezreal still has more played games

[wet nymph]

are u using "all ranks" 💀

ain't no way

💀

[weak elbow]

well you see it gives a better coverage of the player base

fuck

[wet nymph]

idk what site they're even using, cause u.gg says 2m for ez and 1.8m for sivir

[fallen atlas]

op gg

[wet nymph]

not op.gg

why would u ever use op.gg

as a site for champs and stats

actually 1 sec

ill use a more useful site for info

[fallen atlas]

Challenger is the only rank on op gg that shows sivir having higher pickrate than ezreal

atleast in last month

[wet nymph]

Sivir d2+ - 23% pr 28% br 87k games
Ezreal d2+ - 19% pr 4% br 73k games

Sivir all ranks - 16% pr 21% br 1.9m games
Ezreal all ranks - 19% pr 5% br 2.1m games

[fallen atlas]

last 7 days is different

[wet nymph]

for patch 12.14

using lolalytics

which btw is used by rioters themselves

[fallen atlas]

no one has ever heard of that website

[wet nymph]

lmfao?

lolalytics is by far has the most information

way more accurate than smth like op.gg lmao

even Riot Phroxzon (lead of balance team) says u.gg and lolalytics are pretty accurate

[frail finch]

Remove all mobility from adc's
What exactly does that even mean? No more dashes? No more Flashes? No more running? "All mobility" is a very vague way to describe this change you'd want.

Remove galeforce
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree. I think Gale should be changed, not removed. In fact, I think Galeforce can be a very fun item for ADC players if it's tuned right - a means of making rather immobile ADCs a bit more mobile while also giving them a bit more burst damage. I just don't like how it encourages people to use it like an Execute tool by having it deal more damage to low HP enemies, and I think the cooldown is a bit too long.

Remove invis abilities except kha, eve and rengar, Remove True damage
Let me guess, you got curb stomped by a Twitch player that was using Galeforce, didn't you?
Jokes aside I sorta wish Stealth mechanics in League were more like how they work in Dota 2 - where someone can be carrying a Gem of True Sight so they can see an Invisible Evelynn nearby. It'd be MUCH better counterplay, imo, than "I can't get too close, or they'll see me, even though I'm supposed to be invisible."

[noble wagon]

You just listing powerful items or? I don't have experience with a fair bit of them since I don't play those champs

@weak elbow at this rate we pushin 2k

[fallen atlas]

Yea stealth mechanics in dota 2 are good.

[weak elbow]

honestly at this point…. wouldn’t even be suprised

[noble wagon]

I think he wants adcs to just sit there and take a beating without being able to kite/escape. I understand it kinda from an MMO standpoint, where you have your tanks pull aggro and peel off of you so you can blast but this is PvP not PvM. The whole point of adc is to position well and kite to do damage while relying on your team to keep you alive as best they can

I love me some Galeforce execute/escape, it's just not built much cause 90% of AP champs want kraken or shieldbow for the effect. How would you change the item?

also fuck shaco. I get the draw to invis champs but it's really fucked playing against 95% of them or anything with a duskblade

[jolly kiln]

I mean perma stealth will always be annoying tbf

Evelynn, Akshan and twitch, shaco etc

Annoying lil rat

[wet nymph]

yes all op ad items

[noble wagon]

I mean, that's a pretty long list, though. it's almost like every item is good haha
there's a lot of powerful AP items also

[fallen atlas]

Imo the adc champs that have been released lately have too much movement compared to the other adc's.

[noble wagon]

this is troll post right

Nilah has 0 movement abilities (outside of an actual engage)

[fallen atlas]

E

is movement ability

[jolly kiln]

I mean that’s true but nilah and Samira are basically melee champs so they need some way to gap close and kaisa’s is just a small ms buff

[noble wagon]

It's an engage

[fallen atlas]

still movement

[noble wagon]

You can't E away from someone poking you

[fallen atlas]

zeri gets ms and can dash over walls

[jolly kiln]

Imagine playign nilah and Samira without their dash tho, it’d be damn near impossible

[fallen atlas]

literally almost every adc's has some movement boost in their kit except varus or maybe some others

[wet nymph]

there are good ap items, shadowflame and void

all the others are kinda meh

zhonyas as well

zhonyas, shadowflame, void

[noble wagon]

demonic, banshees, hourglass, liandrys, ludens

[wet nymph]

only ones that rlly come to mind

[noble wagon]

unless just legendary

[wet nymph]

banshees is situational

[noble wagon]

it's still a shitload of ap with an immunity stapled onto it

also deathcap is busted

[wet nymph]

if we include mythics, it's items like proto although kinda bad rn, NH and ludens

d cap is meant to be busted xd

it's the most expensive item in the game

[noble wagon]

just saying like

every item is good or has the potential to be good

there's like no "bad" legendaries

[wet nymph]

yes, but majority of ad items outshine ap items

the only ap item i will accept as being broken is dark seal xd

[noble wagon]

ehh to some extent, sure. like, I'd LOVE an LDR AP item. giant slayer on an ap champ? yes pls

[wet nymph]

i want smth like a qss for ap

[noble wagon]

prob just banshee

and hourgass

hourglass

[fallen atlas]

the only thing that ap champs need is a lifesteal ap item

[jolly kiln]

Gunblade incident

[fallen atlas]

fr the old items were so much better and more fun

they should also revert item rework

[jolly kiln]

I mean wasn’t gunblade removed for being toooo effective

On the champs it was used on

Aka katarina and akali

[fallen atlas]

yea it sucks because the item was used on a handful of champs and it worked well for them and was removed only because of that

now they are building some divine sunderer ad shit

[jolly kiln]

Divine akali

[frail finch]

How would you change the item?
Imo, Galeforce should focus around one of the main mechanics that ADCs need to excel at: kiting.
In fact, I feel like making a whole thread about my personal takes surrounding ADC Itemization - including my own ideas for new items.

More specifically, though, I'd change Galeforce to have a lower Cooldown (but deal less damage), which would be reduced by auto-attacking enemy heroes.

And if it ever becomes an issue? Just add an item that allows someone to lock them down - like Dota 2's Abyssal Blade does.

So many problems would be solved, Imo, if Crowd Control was more accessible and/or dispellable, imo.

Imagine a League of Legends Black King Bar.

[fallen atlas]

Yea, but league players are so unskilled they needed to remove active items

[frail finch]

But there are still active items...

Chemtank, for example.

Knight's Vow

Anathema's Chains

Etc.

In fact, imo, League needs MORE active items.

Not because the playerbase is "unskilled" - but because it's likely safe to assume the opposite is true.

[steep oak]

pls no, i don't want to go back to the 5 active items support days

[frail finch]

Not entirely what I meant

[fallen atlas]

no but they removed active items because players complained that it was too hard for them

[frail finch]

https://tenor.com/view/arcane-jinx-jinx-arcane-jinx-boring-jinx-super-boring-arcane-boring-gif-25325977

[wet nymph]

riot didnt remove active items because it was too difficult lmfao

[frail finch]

Jokes aside, I will point out that the difficulty of utilizing an item doesn't depend on "active" or "passive".

But rather, it depends on IF you can use it as it's intended to be used.

[wet nymph]

they also didnt only remove active items

adaptive helm, athenes, frozen mallet, statikk

rod

[frail finch]

I miss the Statikk Shiv. 😦

[wet nymph]

active items they did remove

were either

1. never built and useless
2. too broken and hard to balance

1. Hextech GLP-800, and Twin Shadows
2. Spellbinder and Gunblade

not to mention, they actually added more active items when item rework hit lmfao

just majority are locked bc of mythics

[fallen atlas]

They actaully did

There was a lot of complaint

[wet nymph]

proof of where they say this?

or where this is the case?

[fallen atlas]

well in the internet

like 3 years ago

[wet nymph]

lmfao

[fallen atlas]

and active items were popular

[steep oak]

source:
-"just trust me bro"

[wet nymph]

.

[wet nymph]

.

[fallen atlas]

Bork was built

[steep oak]

yeah i must say bork was a weird change

[wet nymph]

bork got a better passive

[steep oak]

but honestly i don't mind

it's like still the same thing

[wet nymph]

id imagine a big part of why they did the change

is to completely get rid of the script with original bork/gunblade

idk if thats the case

[fallen atlas]

hextech gunblade

twin shadows

[steep oak]

twin shadows was toxic

[worthy oasis]

i believe we reworked bork to make gameplay more fluid

[wet nymph]

twin shadows also wasnt built lol

[wet nymph]

ye it def feels more fluid

[worthy oasis]

i think that was the main reason behind it

[wet nymph]

it feels a lot nicer to play with

i shouldnt have said "big part"

[steep oak]

glacial augment meta would like to introduce itself

[worthy oasis]

it was more of a QOL change for it

[wet nymph]

but i feel like the script was a small part of it

2 birds 1 stone

[wet nymph]

idk i literally never saw it

[worthy oasis]

and i think twin shadows was removed because in higher elo's it was really OP revealing enemy champions in FOW

[steep oak]

and made it impossible to dodge anything if they had glacial

[wet nymph]

bring back spellbinder 😔

[steep oak]

ahri in glacial was so dumb

[wet nymph]

i miss the item sm

[steep oak]

just rush glp and you always hit your combo

then twin shadows and now they can't run

[wet nymph]

i feel like spellbinder couldve been balanced

im ngl

issue is, item was built on select few champs, and acted like a 2nd rabadons

[steep oak]

spellbinder was funny

imagine if lillia was a thing

[worthy oasis]

when was spellbinder removed? i remember that item! i liked it

it wasnt in the game for long right? only 1season

[wet nymph]

it was like

season 10 ish

and i loved it

[steep oak]

wasn't it season 9?

[wet nymph]

i understand WHY it was removed

but i still feel like it couldve been balanced

[worthy oasis]

V10.23 - Removed
Removed from the game.

+120 ability power
+10% movement speed

[wet nymph]

yep

[worthy oasis]

wow

[wet nymph]

it was

rlly cost efficient

for being a 2nd rabadons

[wet nymph]

.

[worthy oasis]

ya i remember it being super annoying

[wet nymph]

idk, i think u guys couldve just reduced the amount of ap and kept price the same

or possibly increased price by a bit

[steep oak]

yeah

the item was so fun

[wet nymph]

the item was 2.9k for same stats as rabadons

but with a 10x better buildpath

[worthy oasis]

it was kinda toxic item tho, because if u were weak, you could afk farm and 1 combo 1 shot ur enemy laner

because you afk farmed the passive on it

it gave too much power into playing passive and getting rewarded

[steep oak]

yeah ig thats true

[wet nymph]

idk ig

i still think it couldve been balanced possibly

but

idk wtf goes on with balance team

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy oasis]

it got kinda replaced by cosmic drive anyway

[wet nymph]

ehh

yeah

but

smth about the active

for spellbinder

was so fun

[worthy oasis]

well sadly most items never come back from the dead :(

[wet nymph]

hmm interesting

[worthy oasis]

think its gone for good pal

[wet nymph]

https://gyazo.com/fc8566db47c1329bdbaaf82b826a15e8

this is the entirety of patch notes for the item

[steep oak]

can we shift the power from shadowflame to other ap items istg every mage goes luden's sorc shoes shadowflame

[wet nymph]

its so weird

[worthy oasis]

have we ever brought back an item?

[wet nymph]

i think.............????

i swear there is one

[steep oak]

rip rod of ages though i like that item

[worthy oasis]

i dont think there is @wet nymph

[steep oak]

and static shiv was fun to play with

[wet nymph]

im not entirely sure, i dont think so but i also feel like there is an item that has been brought back

[steep oak]

i can't recall any items that came back

[wet nymph]

i would say DD cause that item was fucking DEAD for ages but it wasnt removed removed lmfao

WAIT YEAH

EXECUTIONERS

[steep oak]

that is true

[wet nymph]

IT WAS DELETED

THEN BROUGHT BACK

[steep oak]

dd got reworked liek 2 times

[wet nymph]

https://gyazo.com/deb0ba9947444a64b1dc6a5a49285b83

@worthy oasis

i knew there was an item

[worthy oasis]

what item

is it

[wet nymph]

executioners ^^^

[worthy oasis]

ahh

[fallen atlas]

Lol 1% of players who used dfg didnt even use the active so they had to incorporate actives into the passives so that pleb league players could make use of them

[wet nymph]

??? dfg was just insanely unhealthy lmfao

[worthy oasis]

dfg?

[steep oak]

death fire

[wet nymph]

deathfire grasp

like

OLD

item

[steep oak]

very annoying item

it was like ap zed ult

[worthy oasis]

wow how long have you guys played league for

[steep oak]

if i remember correctly

[wet nymph]

since i was like

7 or 8

2013

[steep oak]

actually it was just vlad ult

[worthy oasis]

only item i miss, was season 10 phantom dancer

[steep oak]

i mean shieldbow kind of replaced it

[worthy oasis]

such nice stats and build path and shield for yone/yas

i know but shieldbow i dont like it compared

too much gold, and no movement speed

[wet nymph]

"Our initial goal with Deathfire Grasp was to make a "tank-busting" item that could do exactly that: bust down tanks when they're knocking on the front door. After the introduction of Liandry's Torment, however, tank-busting was replaced with tank-burning and, instead, Deathfire Grasp became the item for assassins to stack another nuke spell on top of their already burst-heavy kits. While we like to keep itemization options available for those who want it, the sheer existence of Deathfire Grasp has given us a few headaches in the past and present:

1.) Adding Deathfire Grasp to a bursty kit really amps up that "woah what happened to me" moment when someone nukes you from orbit. In the past, when we see mages pick up a DFG to double-down on their burst, we've had to balance around that champion which, in turn, makes them even more reliant on DFG to blow people up (or they get changed so much they find an alternative playstyle). Vicious cycle.

2.) Deathfire Grasp also adds a lot more reliability to a mage's assassination attempts, which means they need to commit less for them. If, for example, Ahri only needs to use one charge of Spirit Rush to nuke her target (with DFG + Q + W), she frees herself to use her other two charges to get back to safety. If we accept this will always happen with DFG, Ahri ends up without a lot of extra 'power budget' to do other cool mage-y things like sustained damage or kiting.

@fallen atlas

taken straight from the patch notes

it was removed from

[fallen atlas]

Yea the item was broken but nobody used the active because pleb league players dont know how

[wet nymph]

they literally

explain

the combos

to oneshot

with dfg

in that

lol

?

[steep oak]

just because a new player couldn't use the item properly doesn't make the item a good design

[wet nymph]

"If, for example, Ahri only needs to use one charge of Spirit Rush to nuke her target (with DFG + Q + W)"

[fallen atlas]

yea but 1% of the players who bought the item did use the active

[steep oak]

what

[wet nymph]

????????? where is this stat coming from lol

[fallen atlas]

from a rioter

[steep oak]

?????

[wet nymph]

also it doesnt matter if "1% of the players who bought the item did use the active 🤓 "

that means

wait

i read that

wrong

💀

nah

that

stat is so wrong

[steep oak]

yeah

[wet nymph]

i need like hard proof that a rioter

an actual rioter

said that

[steep oak]

there's no way only 1% used dfg active

[fallen atlas]

https://twitter.com/AzaelOfficial/status/786429871211896832 idk if its a rioter but seem pretty legit

Isaac CB (@AzaelOfficial)

@MonteCristo something like 1% of people who bought DFG ever used the active. I do hope we can get more cool actives in the game though!

Likes

106

Twitter · Oct 13, 2016, 4:54 AM

[wet nymph]

he aint a rioter

hes associated with riot since hes a caster

but he aint a rioter

[fallen atlas]

still knows whats happening in the game

[worthy oasis]

not really

i doubt thats a real stat

[wet nymph]

it isnt

[worthy oasis]

its probably just a made-up to backup his point

[wet nymph]

"something like 1% of people who bought DFG ever used the active."

when you start a stat off

with "something"

nah

xd

[worthy oasis]

yeh... i dont think he was actually giving a real stat

[wet nymph]

whatever the fuck hes saying

still doesnt change the fact

[fallen atlas]

Yea riot also said that they dont like some champs having too many actives

[wet nymph]

DFG was insanely unhealthy

[fallen atlas]

so they tuned down the active numbers

[worthy oasis]

that is true

[steep oak]

i mean yeah playing support with 5 actives was very stressful

[fallen atlas]

skill issue

[worthy oasis]

it was annoying to have 3-4 actives on some champions

there QOL changes

[wet nymph]

just bc

riot dumbed down on actives doesnt mean they did it bc ppl were bad and didnt use the actives

lmfao

[worthy oasis]

it wasnt about a skill issue

[wet nymph]

majority of champs who even built 3-4 actives or more

were supports

rarely was it anyone else

[worthy oasis]

it makes gameplay more fluid in all ranks and more predictable

[steep oak]

^^^

[wet nymph]

i remember playing a support game

[steep oak]

playing support at that time was actually so stressful

[wet nymph]

and every single item was an active

lmfao

[steep oak]

literally like 8 abilities 💀

[fallen atlas]

yea that would be ideal

[steep oak]

no it's not ideal

[fallen atlas]

why not_

dota has it

[wet nymph]

did u

actually

[steep oak]

dota is a different game

[wet nymph]

ever play

[fallen atlas]

and its not stressful

[wet nymph]

before season 11?

[fallen atlas]

yes

[wet nymph]

if u dont think having 6 items being actives and 6 other abilities isnt stressful

WHILE PLAYING SUPPORT

[worthy oasis]

@wet nymph i think zawar is a lost cause, probably better not to try and convince him otherwise

[wet nymph]

than idk

[steep oak]

yeah playing support was an actual nightmare, but the memes were funny

[wet nymph]

oh @worthy oasis

opinion on lolalytics?

[worthy oasis]

@wet nymph i believe u.gg and lolalytics are the best

they have the most up-todate stats i think

[wet nymph]

proves my point from earlier, ty xd

ye ive heard that

phroxzon and phlox use lolalytics/u.gg

p sure phlox said it in a comment on reddit like

a few months ago

iirc

[worthy oasis]

they analyse ( automatically ) the most games accurately i think

they have the most API pull aswell

[fallen atlas]

I still think that riot should put a official stat site

[wet nymph]

they tried lmao

[fallen atlas]

but they said it might encourage bullying 💀

[wet nymph]

opgg is their stat site, p sure its riot run

[steep oak]

p sure you can still look at your match history on riot's site

[wet nymph]

ran? run? idek

[fallen atlas]

Well you cant even see others stats in the client anymore

[wet nymph]

opgg is either ran entirely by riot games

or its partnered

one of the 2

[worthy oasis]

its not

[wet nymph]

partnered?

[worthy oasis]

its not partnered either

no

[wet nymph]

wtf i swear i heard it was

[worthy oasis]

👎🏻

they were wrong then

[wet nymph]

idk opgg is p shit anyways, only thing its good for is looking ppl up

[steep oak]

if you scroll down on op.gg it says it isn't endorsed by riot

[wet nymph]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallen atlas]

u gg is the only good one

[wet nymph]

lolalytics >

[fallen atlas]

horrible ui

[wet nymph]

??

[fallen atlas]

and the font is just worse than comic sans

[worthy oasis]

i prefer op.gg for looking on profiles on web, but porofessor is #1 for me ingame

[wet nymph]

lolalytics gives the most amount of information on anything u could want lmao

[worthy oasis]

really well made app

[fallen atlas]

it might give information but the site is badly done

[wet nymph]

not rlly

[worthy oasis]

i agree

lolalytics looks awful

[wet nymph]

i dont think so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep oak]

yeah u.gg ui is a lot better

[fallen atlas]

everything is stuffed in one place

[wet nymph]

just me then

[worthy oasis]

looks like 2009 website

[wet nymph]

i would use u.gg but lolalytics is a lot better imo

more info, more games

[steep oak]

lolalytics is just so static compared to u.gg

[wet nymph]

a lot more concise

[fallen atlas]

where is nashors tooth for diana in lolalytics

[wet nymph]

https://gyazo.com/dd7f91d13eb80fbedabde3e73ade4fe4

[fallen atlas]

i have to scroll down so much

[wet nymph]

https://gyazo.com/50bb37a8d1d0701b3506b38d98b0fc3d

[fallen atlas]

sheesh

[wet nymph]

no u dont

lol

[fallen atlas]

just put the important info up

see bad design

[wet nymph]

i didnt even scroll down

???

i clicked one button

💀

[steep oak]

i mean either way they accompish basically the same thing

[wet nymph]

this gives more info on build paths etc

[wet nymph]

shows highest wr and most common

[fallen atlas]

yea but if you have played league for a long time you know what to build

[wet nymph]

but rarely do u ever scroll down

[fallen atlas]

and runes

[wet nymph]

so then why use u.gg??

if u know what to build

[fallen atlas]

to wipe my ass

[wet nymph]

know what runes to take

why use u.gg at all

or lolalytics

[fallen atlas]

to see winrates

[wet nymph]

or op.gg

[fallen atlas]

nothing else

[wet nymph]

ok?

[fallen atlas]

if you use those website for items and runes you are a pleb

[wet nymph]

weird

dont know if id be calling ppl plebs

[steep oak]

what's wrong with using sites to check on the meta in a constantly changing game

[fallen atlas]

metaslave

[wet nymph]

???

dont see an issue with metaslaving

if its what is best and works the best

and u wanna actively climb

go ahead??

[fallen atlas]

lol

you play what you wanna play

[sharp arch]

nah bro better build ap on yasuo and throw the game

lul

[fallen atlas]

if you are purposefully following only meta to climb without enjoying it you are a metaslave

[wet nymph]

ok????

who cares?

[steep oak]

you can enjoy playing a meta champ??

[wet nymph]

theyre playing the game how they wanna play

[fallen atlas]

your pleb ass

[wet nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923009762759696417/1006294930261561445/unknown.png

pleb

[steep oak]

and idk about you but losing a game isn't as fun as winning a game

[wet nymph]

and no, i dont metaslave

im far from a metaslave

[fallen atlas]

sometimes losing a gaming is more funnier

[wet nymph]

actually

:)

[fallen atlas]

what your offmeta pick then?

[wet nymph]

so picking a champ in their respective role auto means meta slave???

the fuck type of logic is that

[steep oak]

i played ad ahri yesterday

[fallen atlas]

the opposite of meta is off meta

[sharp arch]

better pick yasuo ap jgl in ranked

much more fun

[fallen atlas]

ap yasuo support is kinda good

[wet nymph]

an example of a meta slave currently is ppl picking fiddle, qiyana, diana

lol

[sharp arch]

sure

[wet nymph]

not someone picking a champ in the role their meant for

[fallen atlas]

well if you pick asol mid its not meta slaving

[wet nymph]

?????????????????? ur logic is so weird

[fallen atlas]

but if you pick high playrate winrate champ in its own role its metaslaving

[steep oak]

also apparently according to hsi logic if you build the most popular build path for a champ you are a meta slave

[wet nymph]

so am i considered a meta slave for otping vlad?

💀

[fallen atlas]

yea cuz its meta

[fallen atlas]

no vlad is underrated to be meta

[wet nymph]

he rlly isnt

rn

[fallen atlas]

qiyana would be metaslaving

[sharp arch]

and what you are gonna now if @fallen atlas consider you as a metaslave AHAH

[wet nymph]

nothing?

[sharp arch]

I hope so

[wet nymph]

why would i care about someones opinion on who i play

i play vlad bc i find him fun

[sharp arch]

I was just jk dw

[fallen atlas]

not so high pickrate

[wet nymph]

been playing vlad for 4-5 years too

[sharp arch]

this guy is crazy

[wet nymph]

his pr is 5.78% and br is 9.61%

[fallen atlas]

in which rank?

[wet nymph]

not exactly an "undercover" champ like rell or skarner

d2+

[fallen atlas]

but <50% winrate

not meta

[wet nymph]

hes 51% wr

[fallen atlas]

i see here d2 is 49%

[wet nymph]

ur using u.gg prob

u.gg has 13k games while lolalytics has 22k lol

[sharp arch]

playing a meta champ =/= playing a champ because he is meta

[fallen atlas]

is it 1 role or all roles?

[wet nymph]

literally just mid

[fallen atlas]

hmm

well we will never know which one is right

[sharp arch]

lol

[wet nymph]

????? YES WE WILL, AND WE DO?????

[fallen atlas]

how?

[wet nymph]

bro

[fallen atlas]

I think both are incorrect

[wet nymph]

.

[wet nymph]

.

clearly one is more correct than the other if one is down almost 10k games

[fallen atlas]

op gg says like 28k games

[sharp arch]

The problem is that you don't understand that someone playing a meta champ isn't obligatorily a meta slave

[wet nymph]

if you put it in diamond+ lol

diamond+ lolalytics has it at 31k 💀

[fallen atlas]

yea i removed some

but dont know how many vlad in dia 1

[fallen atlas]

It is

if the champ is no longer meta then the person playing it no longer is metaslave

but while the champ is meta anybody who plays it is metaslave

[worthy oasis]

Not really, if you play the champ before meta

[sharp arch]

and what if he just play the champ because he just like it

[worthy oasis]

Then ur not a slave

[fallen atlas]

You become a metaslave for a while

[sharp arch]

wtf is this mentality

[steep oak]

metaslaves mean they always follow the meta what

[sharp arch]

i'm done with this guy

[steep oak]

just because the cahmp they like happens to be meta doesn't make them a meta slave

[wet nymph]

no?

if vlad suddenly becomes 55% wr

[fallen atlas]

But you cant know if they like the champ or like the champs because its meta

[wet nymph]

i wouldnt be a metaslave

considering ive otpd the champ for 4-5 years

[fallen atlas]

yes you would

[wet nymph]

calling otps/mains metaslaves just bc their champ is good

is so fking weird

[steep oak]

well you can't just assume they are a meta slave just because you aren't sure??

[sharp arch]

and when you don't know something you just stfu 🙂

[wet nymph]

no lol

[fallen atlas]

go play ff

[sharp arch]

what's your problem iron player ?

[steep oak]

what does final fantasy have to do with this

[wet nymph]

i didnt otp vlad to get prepared for this said buff that will make vlad go up to 55%

[fallen atlas]

not iron

[fallen atlas]

this guy grinds it

[sharp arch]

and then what ?

you want me to learn you ?

[wet nymph]

ill say it again

[fallen atlas]

you shouldnt waster your time here when you could play potd

[wet nymph]

calling otps/mains metaslaves just bc their champ is so fking weird

[steep oak]

dude this op is actually trolling

[sharp arch]

or you are gonna cry at your mom because you can't get out of iron ?

[steep oak]

also @fallen atlas weren't you literally saying they should remove galeforce but they should also add active items?

[fallen atlas]

its not that weird. Its only momentarily

[wet nymph]

no lol

[steep oak]

dude a meta slave means they follow the meta

[fallen atlas]

non movement based active items for adc

[wet nymph]

it is very weird

its also

very clear

u have 0 clue on what a meta slave actually is

[steep oak]

just because you happen to be on the same path as the meta by coincidence doesn't make you a meta slave

[wet nymph]

1. building meta items on a champ, and going into the respective role doesnt make the person a meta slave
2. otping/maining a champ before the champ got some weird ass buff that boosted wr to high numbers doesnt make the person a meta slave

a metaslave is someone who played voli when he was perma 54-55%

and is now playing tank diana

[fallen atlas]

those are meta abusers

[wet nymph]

???????????????????

[steep oak]

what

[fallen atlas]

very different

[wet nymph]

alright bro

[steep oak]

??????

[wet nymph]

ur logic

[steep oak]

has to be trolling lmao

[wet nymph]

is so flawed

that

this cant be anything but a troll

xd

i will go back to being a metaslave and abusing vlad 🤓

[steep oak]

this is why this thread has 47 clown reactions

[fallen atlas]

is vlad broken in your opinion?

[wet nymph]

currently?

[fallen atlas]

ye

[wet nymph]

i think he needs a nerf

yes

[fallen atlas]

metaslave

[wet nymph]

lol

its totally not like ive refused to play vlad everytime hes been good :)

i have literally only played vlad when he was a in dogshit state/semi balanced

[fallen atlas]

urban dictionary says "When a diamond player in league decides to use broken champions to climb like the degenerate he is."

[wet nymph]

rarely do i ever play him when hes good

[wet nymph]

atleast i didnt need to get boosted out of iron 😔

[steep oak]

are you actually using urban dictionary as a source

[fallen atlas]

better than wikipedia imo

[fallen atlas]

me neither

[wet nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923009762759696417/1006294930261561445/unknown.png

[fallen atlas]

i climbed in a year

[wet nymph]

climbed to bronze

nice

grats

[steep oak]

lol

[fallen atlas]

nah silver

[wet nymph]

same shit

[fallen atlas]

huge climb

[steep oak]

thats so much better

[wet nymph]

💀

bronze and silver are the exact same

gold and plat are the exact same

[sharp arch]

nah but this guy have 47 clown face in is post and keep think that he right

[steep oak]

silver just has more ego and it's shown here

[wet nymph]

ur now considered average man

gj

[fallen atlas]

are you na?

[steep oak]

????

lmao this argument

[wet nymph]

????

[fallen atlas]

or euw?

[wet nymph]

ill link my opgg

lol

i have before

idgaf

[steep oak]

i've played in both servers euw silver is still shit there is literally 0 difference

[wet nymph]

and yeah

euw na

same shit

up til like

masters+

[sharp arch]

low elo is same for all server

[fallen atlas]

but im not playing in euw or na

they must be easier

[steep oak]

???

the ego on this guy lmao

[wet nymph]

what region r u

GAR?

TR?

RU?

LAN?

OCE?

[fallen atlas]

korea

[wet nymph]

xd

i hope u know

even in kr, low elo is the same

up until masters+

low elo is the exact same across every region

[fallen atlas]

not according to bausffs and tyler1

[wet nymph]

if u

rlly wanna

get nitpicky

d2+ is where change happens

but its so unnoticeable that its just masters+

[steep oak]

also just send ur op.gg

[wet nymph]

and since

ur not d2

and ur silver

it doesnt matter

[fallen atlas]

i see this youtube vid and it says korea bronze is oce diamond

[wet nymph]

oce is dogshit but the title is clearly clickbait

[steep oak]

ever heard of clickbait?

[wet nymph]

lol

[sharp arch]

if a yt vids told you then it's probably true....

[wet nymph]

like u either have to be

13 years old

or trolling

[fallen atlas]

Yeah atleast not wikipedia

[wet nymph]

rlly hard rn

[steep oak]

you literally used urban dictionary as a source

[fallen atlas]

its very reliable

It has never let me down

[steep oak]

urban dictionary is if the crackheads from wikipedia moved to a different site and gets their definitions upvoted by other crackheads

[fallen atlas]

nah crackheads are in uncyclopedia

The true top g use urban dictioanry

[steep oak]

this guy has to be like 12 right?

[sharp arch]

well it was funny guys have a gn

[wet nymph]

nah hes j trolling

[fallen atlas]

AWW kiddo gotta go to sleep

[wet nymph]

entire post seems like a troll post to begin with

[sharp arch]

yes with your mom

[fallen atlas]

uwu can i join

[sharp arch]

sure

[fallen atlas]

damn oh baby a triple

I found some viera too hopefully they can join too

u.u

[stuck cypress]

Midbeast was Korea GM as OCE Diamond

OCE > KR

[noble wagon]

1841/2k
we're crushing the 1214 darius needs a nerf thread

[noble wagon]

ok now it's at 1829, lot of deletes I guess?

[frail finch]

No idea, tbh.

[fallen atlas]

ALSO a change in salary for riot employees this shit is unplayable now

[sharp arch]

why ?

[fallen atlas]

They arent doing their jobs

[sharp arch]

at what point ?

[fallen atlas]

lol have you even played the game? You get no rewards, all the matches are infested with bugs and so on

balance team is taking a lifetime long vacation

[sharp arch]

Balance is actually fine

[fallen atlas]

nah it aint

[slim moat]

Yone

[steep oak]

isn't even that big of a problem

[molten marsh]

https://youtu.be/BRQq4JPhJHM

[sharp arch]

I perma ban him idk of who you are talking about

[stuck cypress]

Name a single unbalanced thing in the game

There isn't 1

[fallen atlas]

diana

qiyana

mordekaiser

[stuck cypress]

Weak, weak, and useless

[fallen atlas]

lol

[pallid dome]

Almost all champs are within 45-55%wr, that's about as balanced as a game like this gets

[fallen atlas]

55% is not balance

[pallid dome]

"turbo broken" Di loses about half of her games

[stuck cypress]

If you actually want to name a strong champ, should've said something like Rammus or Ryze

Ryze is really OP but is balanced cuz he is hard

[fallen atlas]

Ryze is unplayed and there not much info on rammus yet this patch

[stuck cypress]

?

How is Ryze unplayed

[pallid dome]

Luckily there's only 1 champ above 54%

[stuck cypress]

Ryze easily strongest mid top and supp this patch

[fallen atlas]

And where is this info from

[stuck cypress]

High ELO streamer

[pallid dome]

I mean what's the highest win rate a champ is allowed to have to be "balanced" in your opinion

[fallen atlas]

kekw u gg says pickrate 1.6% and winrate less than 50% in midlane

[jolly kiln]

you really fell for it 🗿

[stuck cypress]

? How is this proof Ryze isn't broken

Low winrate doesn't mean not strongest champ

Just look at Zac

[fallen atlas]

what about it

zac has good winrate

[stuck cypress]

Zac has good winrate but is trash

I think that's proof that good champs are actually low winrate

I mean logically it just makes sense

Use your brain a bit

Corki Nasus Ryze Yorick Gwen

Azir Veigar Kassadin

45-48% WR is the S-tier champs

53-55% are the weakest champs

[fallen atlas]

nasus b tier

[stuck cypress]

Nasus S-tier

[fallen atlas]

corki d tier

[stuck cypress]

Good in 5 roles

Corki S-tier

Good in 4 roles

[fallen atlas]

yorick b tier

[wet nymph]

the balancing in the game isn't that bad

but the game isn't supposed to be balanced to begin with lmao

[stuck cypress]

Yorick S-tier

[fallen atlas]

On where?

[stuck cypress]

Top tier in 3 roles

[fallen atlas]

3 roles kekw

[stuck cypress]

49% WR is close to top tier but he also counters other top tier champs like Nasus

[fallen atlas]

Didnt ask that

[stuck cypress]

Ryze and Corki are easily best champs and in the game though

[fallen atlas]

Perhaps in your dreams

[stuck cypress]

46% WR is elite tier

Basically proof of being OP

But still balanced

[wet nymph]

ryze has the issue of riot not knowing what to do with him

[fallen atlas]

46% is just bad champs or hard champs with high pickrate

[stuck cypress]

?

How

[wet nymph]

he can't really be buffed or else he's insanely broken

[stuck cypress]

Low winrate is proof of champ being good

[wet nymph]

it's the case with aphelios rn as well

[fallen atlas]

How so?

[wet nymph]

if he gets buffed he's insanely broken

pro play will perma ban pick him

just like ryze

[stuck cypress]

Champs that need buffs are Janna, Darius, Sivir, Zeri, etc

[wet nymph]

janna doesn't need a buff

[stuck cypress]

Just look at winrates for champs

Low winrate champs are good but high winrate champs are bad

[wet nymph]

the only champ who needs a buff in that list is zeri xd

[fallen atlas]

literal troll

[pallid dome]

You just noticed?

[wet nymph]

and riot refuse to take out zeri crit w

so her wr will forever be 46%

until they remove the most unhealthy part of her kit

[stuck cypress]

Yeah I'm kinda seeing why this ZAWARUDO guy got clown emojis now

So many bad takes

[fallen atlas]

kekw

[wet nymph]

again tho, this game isn't meant to be balanced

[pallid dome]

Next thing they gonna say nerf Sunfire Diana or something

[wet nymph]

having league be balanced would be incredibly boring

[fallen atlas]

It isnt that much of a problem

[fallen atlas]

They should follow dota 2. Make everything broken so everything is balanced.

[wet nymph]

unbalanced game = good
balanced game = bad

[stuck cypress]

Honestly league is a bit of slow game

[wet nymph]

that is what riot does???

everything is so broken that it's balanced

[pallid dome]

U said Diana unbalanced but Sunfire is her highest winrate build what gives

[fallen atlas]

not enough

[stuck cypress]

Needs to be more like Apex, revert Galeforce and add more mobility and damage

[wet nymph]

nothing is ever enough for some people

[pallid dome]

Strikebreaker dash revert ?

[wet nymph]

just play the game

[wet nymph]

her protobelt build aint even bad

her protobelt build is on par with sunfire ngl

[fallen atlas]

in jungle

[wet nymph]

like diana has always been broken, or really good

ppl just started to notice her when sunfire de came out xd

[stuck cypress]

Not true

Diana is just worse version of Usyr

[wet nymph]

????

xd bro?

they're nothing alike

[stuck cypress]

Udyr does the same thing as Diana but with lower CDs

[wet nymph]

no he doesn't

[pallid dome]

I mean it's pretty much the same

[fallen atlas]

So udyr has pull aoe ability cool

[pallid dome]

Attack speed, shield, stun

Aoe magic dmage

Same champ tbh

[wet nymph]

def same champ xd

yone yasuo same champ too dw

!!!!

[pallid dome]

Did u see the Udyr rework the gave him Ryze ult btw

[fallen atlas]

I mean a champ having 20% ban rate is kinda sad for people who wanna play her

[wet nymph]

zed who perma has 20% br

[fallen atlas]

it has been that for sometime

dianas ban rate has slowly climbed

[wet nymph]

notice the word "perma"

[noble wagon]

I 1v1'd a fed pantheon as sunfire diana and he cried about it in /all for like 5 minutes

then I solo'd baron and he was bitchin about that too

[pallid dome]

Tbh that's what you get for playing pantheon

Not a good champ

[summer jackal]

Why tf is this thread still active.

[river scarab]

Fr

[molten marsh]

Classic Anzai moment

Go back to #esports

[wet nymph]

hes good id say

[nocturne bramble]

@stuck cypress nah nah i gotta agree with alfred here tanks are supposed to take damage. Unfortunately if that were the case no one would play top and it just wouldn't work to have a top lane tank meta.
On the other hand, tanks in real life are both sturdy and have literal canons

[wet nymph]

i think tanks dealing dmg are fine

the issue is

they deal too much dmg

[nocturne bramble]

yeah

nasus

[wet nymph]

i dont think nasus is rlly a tank

[nocturne bramble]

he can sometimes 1v5 and be invincible

[wet nymph]

hes also a scaling champ

[nocturne bramble]

same with morde

yeah lucky us he's a late game champ, morde isn't realy late game tho

[molten marsh]

https://youtu.be/sA1m0-GSUKo

[sharp arch]

this guy is so much fucking true

[molten marsh]

Yep as much as people will meme Ls, he makes based statements