#Any Ivern tips for a guy who is in iron?

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wanton hedge
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patch 12.13

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d2+

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he built crown 51 times

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compared to ludens/liandries

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8k-9k games

split hazel
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He never takes crown in mid

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he takes zhonya first item

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more than crown

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in games

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wtf

plush tusk
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Wtf is steraks and force of nature being recommended

wanton hedge
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its same stats in support

split hazel
fresh finch
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Holy shit crown is so broken, you see it was picked 51 games POGGERS

crystal flume
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got eem

wanton hedge
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twitch xd

split hazel
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229 games in last patch...

wanton hedge
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its twitch and kass

split hazel
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0.55% pick rate 40% win rate

wanton hedge
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but kass builds liandries ludens

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more

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x

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d

split hazel
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luden's has 81% pick rate and 50% win rate

wanton hedge
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plus thats 2k games

plush tusk
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Ok and when champion continue building this items

Don’t say I didn’t say I told you so.

split hazel
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34k games @plush tusk

wanton hedge
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compared to 62k games in adc

plush tusk
split hazel
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xerath

fresh finch
wanton hedge
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And who are the champions building ludens

split hazel
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24k ludens 229 crown last patch

wanton hedge
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no way u just said this

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xD

plush tusk
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Want to know why he’s building it?

fresh finch
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No I dont

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I don't care why xerath is building ludens

split hazel
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because he's artillery and ludens benefits him more than crown...?

plush tusk
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Because assasins were basically gutted in durability patch so he no longer needs to worry about them

fresh finch
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HAHAHAHAHAHAUAHAHA

wanton hedge
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HAHAHHA

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HES ONE OF THE PEOPLE

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WHO THINK

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ASSASSINS GOT GUTTED

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IN DURABILITY PATCH

fresh finch
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AS QIYANA IS HIGHEST WR MASTER+ IN MIDLANE

wanton hedge
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HAHAHAHA

fresh finch
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LMAO

plush tusk
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All artillery mages got better with the patch since they became harder to kill

wanton hedge
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YOU WANNA KNOW

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WHO GOT GUTTED

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IN DURABILITY

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?

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BURST MAGES

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XD

fresh finch
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you're delusional @plush tusk @plush tusk @plush tusk

plush tusk
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And almost no assasin have gotten buffs since then.

wanton hedge
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CAUSE THEY DONT NEED THEM + YES THEY HAVE

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HAHAHA

plush tusk
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Crown is a great anti snow ball item

fresh finch
plush tusk
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But when the game is no longer as snowbally as it once was

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It’s became a situational team comp response item

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Doesn’t mean it’s a bad purchase. You will still see assassins picked in solo Que

wanton hedge
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im done 😭 this guy is becoming more and more delusional

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as the days go on

fresh finch
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this guy is living in a different reality bro

plush tusk
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And when your playing a artillery mage who wants to survive against them. Use the item and you will make them hate the game they are playing

split hazel
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I think they need to work harder than you do to get in your range ;-;

fresh finch
wanton hedge
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i will make sure to build crown on vlad next time i play him

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i will also build morellos too

fresh finch
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yeah same ill build urgot crown too

wanton hedge
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ill tell you what happens

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:D

plush tusk
fresh finch
split hazel
plush tusk
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Hell it’s a good answer into leblanc now that’s she’s making a come back

split hazel
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can't you E her when she w's and get way

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like she can't move during W animation

plush tusk
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If leblanc is stunned mid jump

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She will still go full distance but be stunned

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Unless she’s grounded

split hazel
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you simply wait for her to finish her dash then you E for maximum cc duration

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and just dip

plush tusk
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Xerath E is based on orb distance travel

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Unless she is blind enough to not see it from a screen away it’s pretty easy to avoid

split hazel
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And using E for 0.7 seconds of stun is more valuable than using E to get 0.5 seconds of stun after a dash...

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if she uses W she is forced to finish animation so using E mid way through it, should give you a guaranteed hit

plush tusk
split hazel
plush tusk
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As artillery mages should he it’s leblanc she can blow them up very easily and be safe while doing it

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Once of the safest assassins in the game to play

split hazel
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You're someone who can sit at least 2 screens away from her while damaging her if she got in range of you, it's your fault for disrespecting her travel distance...

plush tusk
split hazel
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in lane her getting stunned in your wave is gonna make her lose most trades

plush tusk
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Since xerath has some of the highest mana costs in the game

split hazel
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and you getting the stun off is gonna make you get away from all her damage

split hazel
plush tusk
plush tusk
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It’s every 12 seconds

split hazel
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that is enough to make it manageable otherwise he probably would never see anyone play him

plush tusk
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Honestly one of the worst passives in the game

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No it isn’t lol

split hazel
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And you also get lost chapter

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Isn't zwag a challanger xerath player...?

plush tusk
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Even with lost chapter you still have to conserve your mana

split hazel
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how did he get to challanger and in his videos he does not waste his mana...?

plush tusk
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Cause he didn’t spam through all his abilities like most brain dead xerath players do.

Cause they say to themselves I’m high range they can’t kill. Next thing they know they are getting dashed on and bursted in less then e seconds

split hazel
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...?

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Did you just call a challanger brain dead? :)

wanton hedge
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i wouldnt use zwag as an example

plush tusk
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I said most brain dead Xeraths

wanton hedge
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personally

plush tusk
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Not this guy

wanton hedge
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better example

plush tusk
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What do you think most solo Que xeraths do

split hazel
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I'm still getting familiar with league youtubers lmao

wanton hedge
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zwag perma uploads norms videos

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like prof akali

split hazel
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I mean his xerath is still not running out of mana

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for no reason

wanton hedge
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u can see how he plays

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in video i sent

plush tusk
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Without lost chapter yes he is cause even in the early game his mana costs even with the passive is a lot

split hazel
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This dude made katarina go to 40% hp

wanton hedge
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with biscuits u rarely ever go out of mana

split hazel
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with only 10%

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of mana used

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????????

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HE USED 10% OF XERATH'S MANA TO GET 60% HP OFF HIS LANER

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LEVEL 1

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WHAT

plush tusk
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Seagul 10% mana lvl 1

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What ability did he use for this

split hazel
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Q

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:)

wanton hedge
split hazel
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And passive

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:)

plush tusk
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Then the kat is just letting do it for free

split hazel
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No

wanton hedge
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?? XD

split hazel
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she stood max

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range

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:)

wanton hedge
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its literally

split hazel
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she stood in xp range

wanton hedge
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2k lp challenger

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in cn server

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XD

split hazel
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no cap

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2k lp challangers? they're shit for being hardstuck

wanton hedge
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ig so

split hazel
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I don't

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understand tho

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if there's 2k lp challangers

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why is 500

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the minimum?

wanton hedge
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cn is a special server

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super server

split hazel
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differences being...?

wanton hedge
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super server is the only server where u can hit 2k lp

split hazel
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boosted lp gains?

wanton hedge
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ur lp gains super inflated

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etc

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u also have to be

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d1? d2?

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on another server

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to even get in

split hazel
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I see, I see

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thanks

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if it's in china

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you'd lag so fucking hard

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though

wanton hedge
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wym

split hazel
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if you play in euw

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and you want to play on chinese super servers

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your ping will be fire

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:)

wanton hedge
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u can only play

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on super server in cn

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p sure

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its region locked

split hazel
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is it like korea with internet identity card

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bs?

wanton hedge
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u need to either use vpn in kr or actually be in cn

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to use super server

plush tusk
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I just watched it. First off no the lane literally just started with full mana hp each. And kat literally letted get so many free shots off

wanton hedge
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its literall

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2k lp

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challenger game

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xd

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but go off

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act like u know more

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act like the kat is dog

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xd

split hazel
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if you can't do that you probably shouldn't play xerath

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And if you don't do that with a decent acc then you probably need to get better at using the skill shots

plush tusk
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Yeah and this guy was literally walking into all of them. While staying in auto range.

wanton hedge
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that same kat

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would absolutely stomp u

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in every game

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10 times out of 10

split hazel
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That katarina was not even in auto range

wanton hedge
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dont even try

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to talk shit

split hazel
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she was behind casters in xp range

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;-;

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wtf

wanton hedge
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u wouldnt stand a CHANCE

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against her

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xd

split hazel
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@wanton hedge can I ask smthing even though you probably don't play top

wanton hedge
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sure

split hazel
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If someone zones you off xp level 1 like fiora should you still try to go for the xp or just give it up?

wanton hedge
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oh idfk 😭

split hazel
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If you know for sure she bodies you level 1

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ow

wanton hedge
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its prob better to just respect

plush tusk
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Who are you playing top may I ask

wanton hedge
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so u dont lose all ur hp

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forcing u to back

plush tusk
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If this is happening

wanton hedge
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cause eventually

split hazel
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it really sucks though because losing exp early is so

wanton hedge
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the lane will push into u

split hazel
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shitty

wanton hedge
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so u can just freeze

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and farm under tower

split hazel
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I don't think you can freeze it

plush tusk
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Who are you playing?

wanton hedge
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youll be down but u wont be down a whole kills worth of gold and xp

split hazel
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and from what I've seen many match-ups he gets zoned off xp

wanton hedge
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irelia isnt weak level 1

split hazel
wanton hedge
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ye its fio favored

split hazel
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and vs darius she farms with E

plush tusk
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Illaoi no?

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She dumpsters fiora

wanton hedge
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fio beats irelia

split hazel
wanton hedge
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just stay back

split hazel
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I know fiora hard wins vs irelia and yorick

wanton hedge
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not much u can do

plush tusk
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Irelia is most likely the one to win the match up

wanton hedge
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if they get u off wave

plush tusk
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But if the fiora knows what she’s doing

wanton hedge
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gotta respect

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and wait til either jg

plush tusk
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She can turn the match up

wanton hedge
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comes or they mess up

split hazel
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mhh no if fiora just runs at you she's gonna kill you

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on irelia level 1

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because of the vitals thing

wanton hedge
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fiora hard wins irelia matchup

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xd

split hazel
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the W is

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so bullshit

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man

wanton hedge
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ye

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u just have

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to respect

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level 1

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if she pushes u off

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wait til it comes into u

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and wait for jg

split hazel
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yeah I'm asking mostly yorick I can't use my brain to learn the game

wanton hedge
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all u can do

split hazel
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if I try to use irelia

plush tusk
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Well fiora is a ping relient champ it’s different every region

split hazel
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so I want to go onto a easy pick

split hazel
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I would've personally just mental boomed and ran into xp range if that happened which is why I wanted to

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make sure if it's okay or not before I'd do it

wanton hedge
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top is basically

split hazel
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cause it's a very common occurance in videos

wanton hedge
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a lane decided by jg

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and matchups

split hazel
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isn't it decided by

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slow pushes?

wanton hedge
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if u get counterpicked top ur lane is p much over

plush tusk
wanton hedge
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if enemy jg comes

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ur also fucked

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top is huge on wave management as well

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but

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if ur counterpicked

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its also rlly huge

split hazel
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there's actually another thing I'm not sure of but you probably won't know the answer lmao

wanton hedge
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like

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ornn will literally

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never be able to do anything

plush tusk
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Yeah and then your jungler comes for a gank when your shoved under tower with 2 waves backing the enemy

wanton hedge
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against a fio

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if fio is picked into ornn ur better off just dodging

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impossible matchup to play

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even with jg

plush tusk
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Orrn has until sunderer to do stuff in lane

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After that it’s unwinnable

split hazel
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That I don't seem to grasp

wanton hedge
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literally never wins

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at all

split hazel
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So let's say they crash 3 waves into your tower

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you clear waves

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and now a slow push naturally occurs

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If they pressure you on the slow push do you contest it

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or are you happy with them perma shoving?

wanton hedge
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would say its dependent

split hazel
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like yorick into a match-up that bodies him

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or any unfavorable match-up

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for you

wanton hedge
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theyre prob either looking for a dive or dont know what to do with wave

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and if u see it happening

split hazel
wanton hedge
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just ping ur jg to come

split hazel
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for them to look for a dive

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it sounds rly,rly stupid

wanton hedge
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they canl ook for

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a dive with jg

split hazel
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but if you are 80% hp

wanton hedge
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by perma shoving it

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its still possible

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just unlikely

split hazel
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it sounds

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so stupid

wanton hedge
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if theyre perma shoving u tho

split hazel
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when yo uhave sums

wanton hedge
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ping jg

split hazel
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gotcha and if they don't respond I'm just happy

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getting to my level 6

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And unlocking power spike

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right?

wanton hedge
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u just farm under tower

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ye

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and sidelane for rest of game

split hazel
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wait

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can't I

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just group if needed?

wanton hedge
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i dont recommend grouping with yorick

split hazel
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I know yorick has a second cast on his maiden

wanton hedge
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he excels at split pushing and sidelaning

split hazel
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which basically gives him extra ghouls to him in team fights

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if she kills minions

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which sounds rly,rly strong

wanton hedge
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id just limit test

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with yorick

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find what is best

split hazel
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like level 1,level 2

wanton hedge
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to do in certain situations

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etc

split hazel
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or limit test post game?

wanton hedge
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limit test all game

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if ur just picking him up

split hazel
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gotcha

wanton hedge
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i did this with vlad

split hazel
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if anything we just

wanton hedge
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was able to learn what to do

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what not to do

split hazel
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telport back in lane

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lmao

wanton hedge
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ye

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i wouldnt do it in ranked

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do it in norms

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then when ur comfortable

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ranked

split hazel
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yh,yh

wanton hedge
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limit testing on a champ

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is best way to learn

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imo

split hazel
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yeah I agree it's just that in my case

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when I saw that yorick hard losses

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aatrox level 1

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I don't see the incentive

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to like limit test it

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you know what I mean?

wanton hedge
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its prob

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better to limit test in a losing lane

split hazel
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but they also played in

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grandmaster

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So it's probably not gonna be like that in my rank :)

wanton hedge
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nope

split hazel
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Appreciate your time and thanks for the help

wanton hedge
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np

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good luck

split hazel
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ty,ty you too gl in ur games

rustic girder
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Everfrost and Night Harvester is better than Crown

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None of the stats and unique passives are useful for Ivern

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He blocked you dogeKek

west lintel
gentle sail
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Wtf

kind viper
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Ivern in low elow is bad

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won’t be have a team

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He jg path is obvius

rare portal
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why get moonstone on ivern when you can get Shurelyas

kind viper
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Shurelyas better

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For him

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Only time get moonstone if have nilah

rare portal
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path -

Red, Raptors, Wolves, Blue
back
pick up in that order, mark + smite gromp, you should be at scuttle before it spawns to mark + smite that too

abuse Q for getting around camps a bit quicker too

wanton hedge
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@crystal flume

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could u possibly send the google slides thing again

rare portal
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also

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i know theres a guy in NA who literally posts a powerpoint in start of game chat so people know how ivern works

wanton hedge
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yes

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1v9 posted it earlier

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but its way up in chat

rare portal
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huh

wanton hedge
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wait nvm i found it

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sorry for pinging

rare portal
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yoink

rustic girder
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Can you send an opgg, of someone that builds crown on enchanters? I know ap lux support can take it, but I would like to see if any enchanters are.

wanton hedge
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never did

plush tusk
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If you want an example of crown ivern

wanton hedge
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gold 1 player

plush tusk
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Want another example

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Here’s rakan

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With this broken item

wanton hedge
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@iron musk

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what do u think hiu

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crown good or troll on rakan

plush tusk
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Want another one

wanton hedge
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blind pick
unranked

plush tusk
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Literally removes the weakness of so many champs and making harder to deal with

wanton hedge
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these are such dogshit examples xd

wanton hedge
rustic girder
rustic girder
rustic girder
wanton hedge
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oh yeah i didnt even realize the dates

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2021 was when crown just released right?

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if so, that would mean crown was 10x more broken than it is right now xd

plush tusk
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Ok and the season started late that year

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Yeah and the item is still good just because of what it does

rustic girder
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League Of Gamez doesn't play ranked

plush tusk
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Like I said this is an example

rustic girder
plush tusk
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Of what you’ll see from it

rustic girder
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can you send a video of Ls talking about how good it is?

wanton hedge
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its literally a waste of gold

rustic girder
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Since you saw it from Ls, right?

wanton hedge
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knowing LS and his dumbshit takes, he would prob say its a garbage item too lol

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even hes not that dumb to realize the item is dog

rustic girder
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I just want to know

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who BlightKnight learned this tech from

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Unless he is unironically learning from a norm games spammer

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or a plat 4 ap ivern

wanton hedge
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if he is learning from these videos, it would make sense

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everything would make a million times more sense

red fulcrum
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you fr just searched up crown + champ name and posted any video from preseason where ppl tried the new item on anyone

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newsflash its dogshit

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sry but just because a youtuber puts a new item in his thumbnail one time for views doesnt mean the item is broken literally 1 year later

opal juniper
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Read it again. But slowly

plush tusk
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Is crown helping you carry games by letting you hard carry as a mage?

opal juniper
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Yeah guardian’s very good on ivern, I’ve played it myself in dia games last season

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Cuz it’s a support rune and you are playing a support jungler that’s constantly ganking

plush tusk
red fulcrum
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if you shield them the range is extended

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ur rly clueless

opal juniper
opal juniper
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Also let me get this straight, you have no idea what runes do, you’re the type of person to go to u.gg see a standard rune and tell everyone to go for that although you don’t know what the runes actually do. You are in every thread giving blatantly wrong information. Are you just baiting people?

plush tusk
opal juniper
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No one said on every jungler, I literally typed “Guardian’s very good on ivern”

red fulcrum
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lol

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like wtf

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"take aery on seraphine adc"
"oh so ill just go aery on EVERY adc bet it sucks then huh??"

plush tusk
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Want to see idiots judging Tyler 1 on how he climbed with ivern

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Here you go

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Tell Tyler 1 he’s wrong that guardian isn’t shit

red fulcrum
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lmfao wasnt this pre guardian changes

opal juniper
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I just don’t understand why a 1.1K games gold hardstuck who doesn’t know what runes do, is trying to teach dia+ players how runes work by giving incoherent stats, blatantly fake information and is also trying to grief the newer players. Is he mad that he’s hardstuck and doesn’t want anyone else to climb past him? That’s some giva revenge arc

opal juniper
red fulcrum
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im almost certain it was

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like why do u send this shit from insanely long ago

plush tusk
red fulcrum
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u sent something from 2020

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when the rune wasnt taken on anyone

opal juniper
red fulcrum
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because it required you to be ontop of an ally

plush tusk
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😂😂😂😂😂

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Which is still the case

opal juniper
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The rune has been buffed since then

plush tusk
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No

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It’s only been nerfed and nerfed

kind viper
opal juniper
kind viper
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What patch are guy playing

plush tusk
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When was the last time you saw a guardian buff lmfao

kind viper
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Now back to aery

red fulcrum
opal juniper
# kind viper It be nerf

In 2020 it had no range, now it does. Rune wise it’s a buff since you can now actually proc it

kind viper
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Guardian was nerf last patch

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Cd nerf

plush tusk
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Play would I ever take Guardian in the jungle?

opal juniper
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Cd nerf, not range nerf

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My man blight is telling people guardian doesn’t proc from range

plush tusk
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That’s like telling someone to take grasp in the jungle

red fulcrum
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how so?

opal juniper
red fulcrum
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grasp is a low cd earlygame rune which requires you to proc it constantly to get value

opal juniper
red fulcrum
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guardian is a high impact long cd rune which normally has a long window where its inactive

plush tusk
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Oh let’s see oh yeah it only procs on champions not camps. Guess who you interact with less cause your in the jungle. Champions

red fulcrum
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yo

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you arent procing any rune on camps

plush tusk
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Guess who you always interact with in lane

red fulcrum
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especially as ivern

plush tusk
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Champions

opal juniper
plush tusk
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No

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Does it proc ok daisy no

kind viper
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Ivern only champion don’t need auto camps

opal juniper
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So according to that logic, fuck keystones as jgl, they don’t proc on camps reeee

red fulcrum
kind viper
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Summoner monster don’t proc it

plush tusk
red fulcrum
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saying ur having interspersed interaction would mean it outperforms aery

plush tusk
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Don’t ever take it

red fulcrum
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lmao insane that ur argument is "it doesnt work on camps" pls show me how aery helps ivern clear camps

plush tusk
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Your griefing yourself

opal juniper
kind viper
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I wish

plush tusk
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But because camps aren’t champions

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No

kind viper
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Only thing help ivern clear fast is comsic insight and boot

opal juniper
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Not cool

plush tusk
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Papa you think I’m listening to the guy who thinks guardian in the jungle is good

opal juniper
red fulcrum
kind viper
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Extra hp shard is useful

opal juniper
kind viper
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But won’t be need it

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Focus on resistance

plush tusk
red fulcrum
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pls tell me how aery helps clear camps in a way guardian doesnt

plush tusk
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Smite + gromp mana and health heal. Im all healed boys time to take all the camps

red fulcrum
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since apparently guardian is bad bc it doesnt help clear?

plush tusk
#

Dw I’ll just rely on guardian when I get in a scuttle 1v1 fossil it will keep me alive

rustic girder
#

Ivern should just go fleet, his clear would be so much better

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since it procs on camps

red fulcrum
kind viper
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Forgot ivern have no auto without bush

plush tusk
#

@rustic girder 😂😂😂😂😂😂

red fulcrum
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surely the aery procing on your q doing 30 extra dmg to the enemy champ at crab is worth

plush tusk
#

HE CANT AUTO CAMPS

rustic girder
#

Why does Fiddle take Electrocute, it doesn't even proc on monsters wtf

plush tusk
#

Definitely take fleet footwork

rustic girder
#

99% of fiddle players are trolling

kind viper
#

Take predator

plush tusk
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Good choice my good sir

kind viper
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Because know when run

rustic girder
#

57% winrate

plush tusk
#

Ult in while also going 200 miles per hour

red fulcrum
#

the insane thing is that u derail every thread like this and mods dont mute you

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imo

plush tusk
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Or better yet run in fear let fiddle do fiddle things

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@rustic girder the 7 people who used it on accident lmfao

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Acting like it’s good

red fulcrum
#

ye hes surely not just applying ur same logic

plush tusk
#

@red fulcrum I derail threads? or you guys do by targeting me with literally everything I say

red fulcrum
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how do we derail by addressing ur assertions

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whether a keystone procs on camps doesnt matter

plush tusk
#

Yeah I think I know what’s happened in every thread I’ve open my chat too.

A wild: fossil fraxxer Haon has entered the arena looking for the BK90

red fulcrum
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yet ull still sit here and argue otherwise

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as if aery is procing on camps

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or as if ivern is procing any keystone on camps

plush tusk
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It’s like you guys are bored and do nothing but target 1 guy in threads and literally spam their troll in everything they ffing say

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Must be a sad life

red fulcrum
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lol targeting

plush tusk
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Well that’s what it’s been for over a month. I open my mouth here comes the crew

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Telling people don’t listen to the gold player

opal juniper
plush tusk
opal juniper
red fulcrum
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the victim is anyone who is mislead by ur advice

plush tusk
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Even info that’s legit

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Must be since it’s from a gold player

red fulcrum
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no, as he just said, you are wrong and happen to also be stuck gold lol

opal juniper
plush tusk
opal juniper
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Bust most info you, as a person, happen to be giving, is wrong/false

plush tusk
#

He’s silver/gold don’t listen to him

plush tusk
opal juniper
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Like we would say the same if you were plat/dia, not about being gold. It’s about misleading people who don’t know better

plush tusk
#

You really think I’m trying to waste peoples time

plush tusk
opal juniper
plush tusk
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😂😂😂😂

opal juniper
#

😇

plush tusk
#

So if a diamond player recommend frostfire mordekaiser would you support them

opal juniper
#

And not only on this server

opal juniper
#

It’s not about rank

plush tusk
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Like I said would you?

opal juniper
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It’s about the info, if an iron player tells me fleet footwork is good on jhin I will support it

plush tusk
opal juniper
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If a diamond player tells me guardian is good on jhin, clearly I am not supporting it

plush tusk
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So if a diamond player recommends frostfire mordekaiser would you support them?

red fulcrum
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he already said no

opal juniper
plush tusk
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Yeah and want to know why you shouldn’t support it?

Easy answer: rylais

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Mordes favorite item since his rework

red fulcrum
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not derailing btw

opal juniper
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Yeah I am lost

plush tusk
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Which is what I listed above

red fulcrum
#

how is this tangent relevant at all

plush tusk
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And want to know flamed me for hours for it

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(Riot James in this server)

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Yeah build tank mythics on Morde lmfao

opal juniper
#

Well I can see frostfire working somewhere at some point, would I recommend someone who doesn’t know? Maybe. Would I recommend it to someone who can’t differentiate between when to build what? No, would just confuse them

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Have seen it in jgl against me on alt accs, so can’t say how good it is personally

plush tusk
red fulcrum
#

this is his argument for why guardian is bad in jg btw

opal juniper
#

On ivern specifically. And crown is good on him because “1v1”

wanton hedge
#

zzz im gonna step in, firstly no im not targeting you, secondly what i said in the original post was frostfire is a very situational item that CAN be built and DOES work with morde, frostfire can offer a lot more than riftmaker does in certain times and allows him to be almost unkillable. Riftmaker tho ultimately is better than frostfire, which is also what i said in the other post. Frostfire also has a lot more stats and does a lot more than rylais ever will.

#

if ur gonna use what i said in an argument or whatever the fuck it was, please don't take it out of context next time, k thnx :)

plush tusk
# opal juniper On ivern specifically. And crown is good on him because “1v1”

Crown: situational item for heavy dive comps (assasins mainly) since they don’t have much issue killing him

Aery: procs on all of iverns abilites as well as daisy. It can shield with his E

Even though ivern is a support supports do need to do dmg. Iverns has this through his W passive when he is in and exits bushes for 3 seconds. Aery ensures he’s still doing dmg outside of bushes.

red fulcrum
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doesnt proc on his w

plush tusk
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Yeah cause his W is ffing bushes no shit Sherlock

red fulcrum
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ok so its not all his abilities

plush tusk
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Wow like I had to explain his W isn’t a shield

red fulcrum
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its being wasted on q and r and procing on e

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lol, not only shields proc aery

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wtf are you saying

plush tusk
#

Your using aery mainly for increase to your autos

red fulcrum
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lmao no

plush tusk
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And shielding for your E

red fulcrum
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its for lategame when your e is a very low cd to add to each e

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that is the only reason

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to go aery over guardian

wanton hedge
#

been watching and looking up guides for ivern, mainly because i want to learn and play the champ, seems like you take aery when ur going nightharvester build, and you go guardian when ur going moonstone shureylas

plush tusk
#

?!?!?

opal juniper
plush tusk
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NIGHTHARVESTER

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NIGHTHARVESTER IVERN

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Jesus Christ

red fulcrum
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how can you argue for crown and say night harvester is bad

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like wtf

wanton hedge
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yes, Jamican Banana, the best ivern imo runes Aery NH lol

opal juniper
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@plush tusk do you watch content creators like zwag, bunnyfufu and the likes?

plush tusk
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Yeah let’s see which of the 2 items is exclusively a carry item

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NIGHTHARVESTER

wanton hedge
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also i don't think you understand how good NH is now

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especially for champs like ivern

plush tusk
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You mean the support in the jungle

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Is now a carry

opal juniper
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I mean if you want to argue ap, then nightharvester makes sense

wanton hedge
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are you not arguing this?

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with crown?

opal juniper
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But i wouldn’t argue for ap ivern in the first place

plush tusk
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Crown doesn’t make you a carry just for having it dude

opal juniper
#

Nh is strong atm

wanton hedge
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NH is very strong, esp with the cdr change

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and i would argue if ur building crown to replace an item like shureylas or moonstone, ur very much building to carry

plush tusk
#

If enchanters like karma take everfrost does it make her a carry? No she just gains more utility.

Now if a a support like ivern takes crown is he a carry now. It just makes him harder too kill.

wanton hedge
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karma doesn't build everfrost

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xd

opal juniper
#

And ivern doesn’t go crown

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Stop preaching it, go locket instead with ingenious hunter

wanton hedge
#

karma either builds ludens (full ap) or goes moonstone/shureylas (support/tank)

plush tusk
#

Yet you think NIGHTHARVESTER is ok

opal juniper
#

If you really have to, not needed but hey

wanton hedge
#

im just saying what i've been reading up on and watching from ivern guides

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and overall, Night harvester makes a lot more sense than crown ever will

plush tusk
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Yeah and clearly they want to turn a support into a carry

wanton hedge
#

i trust the challenger ivern otp a lot more

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:)

opal juniper
plush tusk
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Did NIGHTHARVESTER do that for you?

red fulcrum
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ye like why perma argue for building ap w/ crown then say NH is bad like if anything its automatically 10x better since ur not wasting gold on mana?

opal juniper
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I get a ton of cdr, cd nerfed on him

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So yeah I can see it

plush tusk
#

Yeah you 3 are lost if you think troll harvester is good on him

rustic girder
wanton hedge
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xd the challenger ivern otp must be troll too

opal juniper
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We are saying, if you want to go crown for ap, just go nh and not waste gold and stats

opal juniper
plush tusk
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Yeah and I wonder why so many random ffing shit comes to peoples minds and think it’s good. Oh yeah cause they just blindly listen to everything they hear from those Korean builds.

Let’s build troll harvester on ivern nothing wrong with that

wanton hedge
#

are you not doing that right now?

opal juniper
wanton hedge
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you literally posted a video on someone in gold 1 playing crown ivern

plush tusk
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Troll harvester on supports no

wanton hedge
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and that same person happens to be perma running night harvester

opal juniper
#

Also funny how we use your same argument back on you and you disagree

opal juniper
plush tusk
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Ok I might as well do NIGHTHARVESTER yummi nothing wrong with that if that’s what I’m hearing from you guys

wanton hedge
#

night harvester isn't troll btw, it's currently one of the best ap mythics in game imo

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where did yuumi come from? lol

plush tusk
#

If NIGHTHARVESTER is good in 1 support it must be good on all of them

wanton hedge
#

what????

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lol????

plush tusk
#

Ok tell me why it’s good in ivern and not the rest

wanton hedge
#

wtf 😭

rustic girder
#

Support ivern is better

plush tusk
#

THEN WTF ARE YOU EVEN BRINGING IT UP

rustic girder
#

but if you really wanted to play carry ivern

opal juniper
rustic girder
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then it's better to go nightharvestor over crown

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is literally the point

opal juniper
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Yeah exactly

plush tusk
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Yeah and crown doesn’t make you a carry just for having it

wanton hedge
#

i don't think anyone here said night harvester is the best on ivern 😭

opal juniper
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Yeah no one did

plush tusk
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Yet your the ones bringing it up

opal juniper
wanton hedge
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yes because ur trying to say crown is good on him

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when it's not

rustic girder
wanton hedge
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night harvester is a better option, night harvester is run by best ivern otp and by the same guy you linked who happened to play crown ivern

plush tusk
opal juniper
wanton hedge
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? that's literally me saying night harvester is better than crown

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ur point?

plush tusk
#

IM NOT SAYING GO FULL AP JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE CROWN JESUS FUCK

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Is it that hard to get that through your thick skulls

wanton hedge
#

did you really interpret the message where im directly comparing night harvester to crown as me saying night harvester is the best mythic for ivern period

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?

opal juniper
#

That is what happened indeed

plush tusk
wanton hedge
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no lol, cause you literally just interpreted a message i sent where i directly compared 2 mythics, as me saying night harvester is the best overall

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when i wasn't saying that at all?

plush tusk
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Want to know what ivern do.

Crown into enchanter items

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That’s what I’m trying to say

wanton hedge
#

i was comparing night harvester to crown, and saying night harvester makes the most sense

plush tusk
#

Not full ap ffing ivern

opal juniper
wanton hedge
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and even when you go night harvester, ur not building full ap lol

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nobody was talking about full ap ivern

plush tusk
opal juniper
wanton hedge
#

why are you building crown in the first place?????

plush tusk
#

Ok I say one thing in one ear

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Out the other for all 5+ of you

wanton hedge
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if you're going to build an ap mythic, night harvester is the best for ivern

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otherwise just go support ivern

opal juniper
#

If you’re not support ivern, moonstone

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Dive comp, locket

wanton hedge
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i don't know where or how these weird interpretations come about xd

opal juniper
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Yeah but where’s he getting these builds, I am so confused

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Preaches ap mythic, gets mad when we say the other ap mythic makes more sense

wanton hedge
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gets even more mad when we show same guy who was running crown is now running night harvester

plush tusk
#

Somebody doesn’t understand what situational support items ffing are and clearly won’t know what they are since.

They think I’m trying to carry with crowns which I’m not.

Im buying just crown to keep me alive while I’m using the Ap it grants me to enhance my shields , shield damage, Q damage, and daisy health attack speed and damage.

While being protected by the shields from people who attempt to kill me. While I’m spamming the shield on others.

wanton hedge
#

moonstone does that and everything better lol

opal juniper
#

So you agree locket, noice that’s a step forward

wanton hedge
#

if you want better shields and better heals, moonstone is 10x better

plush tusk
#

Locket ivern no

wanton hedge
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and yes, if you want smth to stay alive from dives, locket is better

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xd

opal juniper
#

If you want to survive people trying to kill you run locket

wanton hedge
#

crown has literally been a gutted item for ages

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it's so dogshit

plush tusk
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Ok done with you lost people please if you see me on any thread don’t comment. You make everything worse

opal juniper
#

You’re doing everything yourself ngl

wanton hedge
#

no, you have some of the most dogshit takes i've ever seen, literally nobody here is trying to target you

plush tusk
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Im not the one chasing 1 person around multiple threads

opal juniper
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Stop giving wrong takes

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And people will start agreeing with you

wanton hedge
#

you just make some weird dogshit take and then get mad when people tell you you're wrong and prove you're wrong

opal juniper
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Keep on giving false info and people will tell you why they disagree with you

wanton hedge
#

nobody cares to try and follow you around

opal juniper
#

Fairly easy concept to grasp

wanton hedge
#

im sorry but you're not that important

opal juniper
wanton hedge
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and yeah, sorry for trying to be helpful and making sure people aren't misinformed 💀

red fulcrum
opal juniper
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I was talking in #beginner-chat about this topic yesterday and you were not there. Today I go on the thread and you are there, literally nobody is chasing you. You’re a headache

wanton hedge
#

like bro, if you're wrong and realize you're wrong, just accept it

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it's a difficult thing to do but once you do it you'll realize how relieving it is :)

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if you accept ur wrong you won't have these long drawn out arguments

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a lot easier to do and you'll be lot less of a headache to everyone trying to learn

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sad tho, he left the thread so he won't see this :(

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he will continue to be a headache across other threads

opal juniper
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Yeah, it is what it is

wanton hedge
#

idk why it's so difficult to accept ur wrong

opal juniper
#

If someone knows how to archive threads, do so

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We got receipts

wanton hedge
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i believe u can find them

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if u search

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and i mean i've accepted im wrong with vlad related things, hurts me a little inside but i learned from it so

opal juniper
#

Anyhow good talk peeps, nice to see like minded individuals. Will be back in about 3 hours

wanton hedge
#

wish he could do the same

opal juniper
wanton hedge
#

it's rlly hurtful to ur rank and everything else when u have a gigantic ego and are refusing to learn

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which he has both

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he makes it worse by trying to give knowledge he thinks is right to people who are trying to learn

opal juniper
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I deal with these players all the time

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But yeah Imma go for about 3 hours

wanton hedge
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ima go back to learning how to play ivern more

plush tusk
#

Also if still choose to ignore me with ffing guardian on this champ

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Skip to 35:00 minutes

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Your welcome

rustic girder
#

Is waterwalking that good?

opal juniper
#

T1 ivern, 2020 pog

red fulcrum
#

@plush tusk why do you keep posting this video from pre guardian rework?

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literally SEASON 10

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btw i love that u bring up tyler1 talking abt ivern while hating on night harvester

opal juniper
#

He dipped

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He does that when he realises he made an oopsie

rare portal
foggy field
#

No but guys remember

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@/Blight Knight9#2265 told us we have an ANTI BK90 CLAN!!!! That’s why people disagree with the dog takes

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Just take your adhd medications and start reading your own and other’s messages so you understand what they say

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Why did I read this entire thread

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You’ve proven once again you can’t argue

rare portal
#

Ivern runes are kind generic enchanter runes right?
except waterwalking because jungle

rare portal
foggy field
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  1. You don’t read other peoples messages when they tell you they’re wrong WITH evidence
  2. You put words in other’s mouth: you: “this is shit” others: “nope it’s good but that is better in this scenario” you: “SO SHOULD I RUN THAT IN EVERY SCENARIO?? IDIOT”
  3. You don’t listen to stats you go off your own 2 matches you played and make up scenarios or use that one time your jungler was garbage
iron musk
# wanton hedge what do u think hiu

Id say crown is good on rakan if enemy team doesnt have poke to break the shield but even then one could argue that u need shurelyas ms to engage, unless you have engage on your team which in that case you can come as a second engager which is the perfect role for rakan in most situations cause in the end rakan is not the best engager unless with flash + shurelyas. As for glacial i have tried it a couple of times but if u compare the ammount of shield u get from guardian even the nerfed version compared to the amount of times u proc glavial u can see the difference in rune power + resolve rune has pretty useless runes that rakan pretty much dont use and if u go guardian u can go tank runes + either inspiration or domination for ap or ult reduc.
That being said glacial would be far better than guardian if enemy team is mostly melees as it will allow you to peel way harder but i still think shurelyas is way more necessary in those situations... Even everfrost would be better than crown cuz in the end if you play rakan properly, you shouldnt be getting lethality damaged cuz ur going in and out of fights

rare portal
#

Wait why is rakan being mentioned in an ivern thread?

foggy field
#

Your only valid argument would be that you are trying out different items in GOLD with other GOLD players

foggy field
rare portal
#

I can see that support item discourse is going down

iron musk
rare portal
#

i mean
aery is good on enchanters- but guardian is good too

aery is a bit better on ivern i would say, but if we're talking about rakan, i would say guardian is better

foggy field
#

And is crown good on him bc 1v1 over scuttle?

rare portal
#

no

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because he takes scuttle instantly

iron musk
#

I think guardian is bad too and it was heavily nerfed but u can just compare the shield u amount at the end of game compared to what u get on aery to see the diff

rare portal
#

there is no 1v1 over scuttle

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when there is no scuttle

iron musk
#

Dont get me wrong if ur champ can poke as well as it can shield aery prob a better choice

foggy field
#

What about just general 1v1s then

iron musk
#

But guardian nerfed is still a better choice

rare portal
#

ivern doesnt want to 1v1, unless he has daisy

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even then he's just gonna use daisy to gtfo

foggy field
#

He shouldn’t at all imo he’s great I nteamfights

rare portal
#

indeed

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his ganks r amazing

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free collapse onto a rooted target

split hazel
#

wtf has been going on in here

rare portal
#

idk

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i was talking when the post got created

i go to sleep and suddenly its a shitfest argument

split hazel
#

why is the argument about crown still going on

split hazel
rare portal
#

what

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crown just seems bad on ivern

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end of story

split hazel
#

I mean it was enchanters

#

as a whole

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like crown karma,lulu,soraka...

rare portal
#

wait seriously?

split hazel
#

yeah

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like enchanters as a whole class

rare portal
#

ah yes i will buy item which is expensive to protect me and not get items that help my team

iron musk
#

Crown is pretty situational

split hazel
#

I personally think the utility from shurelya's would bring more value both survivability wise as well as utility wise than crown would on enchanters

#

If you really need to avoid people

iron musk
#

I was thinking the same

#

Crown isnt gonna save you if pyke comes and hooks you

split hazel
#

And it can get poked down soo easily

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like you may not be able to get any value out of it in a team fight is someone pokes you from range but you'll always get shurelya's active value if you don't waste it

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And then you can also buy zhonya which is cheaper

iron musk
#

If u build crown against a poke comp ur literally trolling

split hazel
#

isn't 1 ranged good enough to get it poked? like xerath apc or smthing

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if he Q's once from the other side of the wall nobody will flash after him as an enchanter

rare portal
#

mhm

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one attack fucks with the shield

split hazel
#

But I also think overall crown is a very greedy option from enchanter's point of view because they're made for utility and they're going something that gives them less utility

rare portal
#

its good mid because assasins and burst mages
But even then one poke and the shield is gone

#

the recharge time is a day and an age too

split hazel
#

40 seconds

rare portal
#

thats still a while with basically no mythic apart from stats

split hazel
#

at least it's not 1 minute like bone plating omegaLUL

rare portal
#

fair

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but bone plating isnt an item you payed 3000 gold for

split hazel
#

what's the point of going a sub rune that has the cooldown of ultimates

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you'd be better off going something else

split hazel
#

but both crown and bone leave you vulnerable for a long period of time

red fulcrum
#

Or ionian boots same deal with t2 rush and sitting river

rare portal
#

i mean ionian is my first buy on him most of the time

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since his clear is so clean

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i can usually buy it 1st back if i nab both scuttles

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or do a cheeky gank

red fulcrum
#

You should be able to get it first back without double crab

rare portal
#

usually i'm a lil short after his clear

split hazel
#

Ivern doesn't do krugs right?

rare portal
#

maybe selling refillable helps

rare portal
split hazel
#

he gets the gold and xp from the 2 originals right?

rare portal
#

think so

split hazel
#

because he can't split them

red fulcrum
split hazel
#

Did I watch outdated shit again?

red fulcrum
#

You are getting less the equivalent of like 1 med krug 2 small krug after it was changed but u are only jgler to do that camp instantly

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As you can q over wall for it both times if u want

rare portal
#

yeah

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i realised you can q camps recently and that do be speed

split hazel
#

I think he Q's while blast coning to wolves or something to maximize the clear

rare portal
#

also because it spawns slightly after raptors and red its just worth to ignore, right?

split hazel
#

he like Q's blue while flying towards wolves does wolves Qs to blue

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does gromp

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easy blue clear

red fulcrum
rare portal
#

his clear from what i know is

Red, raps, wolves, blue back
collect in that order, mark and smite gromp instantly then you should make it to river before / just as krugs spawn

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grugs?

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scuttle

red fulcrum
#

That’s definitely wrong

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Just smite blue and you can continue clearing don’t recall on 0 farm

split hazel
rare portal
#

its kinda hard to pull off

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i mean

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you have to wait on camps to finish

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and backing then going to red is a lil faster if i remember

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clear is 40 seconds at level 1, so until you take any camp they'll all be slow

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though i might be a lil wrong
but if i remember backing after marking blue (which you dont have ebough mana and health to mark gromp after unless you smite something) is better than smiting blue, getting gromp, then walking over to red

red fulcrum
#

The clear I would say is red raps smite the blue gromp wolves then red raps wolves gromp

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Crab with 2nd smite

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And u aren’t backing on 0 farm

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With that clear

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Idk why you would ever recall with no gold instead of using your smites

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hmm
i suppose
I'm seeing two clears here

Red - raps - wolves - blue - smite gromp after backing - top scuttle
Blue - wolves - gromp - raps - smite red - collect in order - bot scuttle

red fulcrum
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You are literally level 2 at the crab sitting on your 2nd smite with that first clear plus your whole botside sits up how is it better

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fast

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think its like
marginally faster