Mechanically Difficult Adc

[spiral knoll]

What are the most mechanically difficult adc in order of difficulty from most difficult to easiest?

[gusty tundra]

Hardest kalista , Draven

Ez Ashe Sivir , trist

[spiral knoll]

Are Kalista and Draven equivalent in difficulty, or is Kalista more difficult?

[gusty tundra]

Draven catch axe

Kalista is her passive

[limber barn]

Aphelios

[hardy oriole]

kalista

[dawn birch]

Aphelios

[hardy oriole]

definitely the hardest

especially considering where she is sitting right now

[spiral knoll]

So Kalista is more difficult than Draven and Aphelios?

[hardy oriole]

absolutely

[fervent lance]

I would agree, Kalista is more difficult.

[hardy oriole]

in the last 6 years you haven't seen kalista be the most prevalent adc, draven and aphelios have

[spiral knoll]

The second most difficult who would be?

[hardy oriole]

let me get a list

[spiral knoll]

xd ty

[radiant creek]

Zeri

[hardy oriole]

(Key: Any champ with a hyphen in brackets means they need to be a GOOD player at the champ, any player can play vayne in low elo and do well, not many can learn to kite and dodge in high elo and instead will just get caught or streamrolled in team fights)

Kalista > (-) Draven / (-) Vayne> (-) Jhin > Xayah > Lucian > Varus > Senna > Caitlyn > Aphelios > Kai'sa > Zeri > Twitch > Tristana > Kog'Maw > Ezreal > Jinx > Ashe > Miss Fortune/Sivir

Samira deserves her own tier of easy

[radiant creek]

I think trist is up there in with ashe

[hardy oriole]

might be with samira tbf i did the list front to back when creating it

[gusty tundra]

Forgot nilah

[spiral knoll]

ty

[hardy oriole]

not enough gameplay or time live for a proper estimation

[exotic raptor]

Hardest has always been kalista

[gusty tundra]

Also have be consist even fall off as her

[dawn birch]

Is this saying Cait is harder than Aphelios??

[hardy oriole]

good cait*

[pastel sedge]

Hard: Kalista, Draven
Medium: Lucian, Xayah, Cait, Ez, Vayne, Aph
Easy: Twitch, Varus, Jhin, Jinx, Trist, MF, Sivir, Ashe, Kaisa, Samira
Il update it as people yell at me (it's in no particular order)

[dawn birch]

Samira isnt hard and I think Xayah as well (still medium but on the easier side) but I haven’t played her enough

[exotic raptor]

Agree with this

[balmy oyster]

I refuse to learn what Aphelios does

[pliant parcel]

Kalista and Draven are very difficult and complex to learn and master.

[dawn birch]

What does this mean

In what context

[pastel sedge]

im assuming the fact that she is incredibly medicore

[dawn birch]

Same for Aphelios he’s stat wise the weakest

You can only do good if you know what he does same goes for Kalista

[sour egret]

kalista, draven, aphel, vayne, ez, xayah, zeri, caitlyn, kai sa, lucian, varus, jhin, mf, twitch, samira, sivir, senna, jinx, trist, ashe, kog maw

In order hardest to easiest

(difficulty learning and mastering)

[graceful urchin]

Kalista/Draven/Zeri/Vayne. rest arent to difficult to execute.

[gusty tundra]

Found aphelios ez to understand

More then cait

[graceful urchin]

big brain curse

[dawn birch]

Same

But thing is it’s hard to make the right plays against people who know how he works, same goes for me when going against him I can bully Aphelios players in low elo bc I know better what he does than them

[wraith tree]

Kalista more difficult than Draven, because kalista is useless

[dawn birch]

Is that the margin for hard in bot lane? xd

[wraith tree]

Yep

[craggy rivet]

Kalista 100% harder

[craggy rivet]

Yes

Aphelios is mostly knowledge based, not that mechanical like Kalista

Easiest is MF, Ashe and Sivir

Maybe Jinx after those

[wraith tree]

Jinx easier than Sivir

[craggy rivet]

Lucian is in a good middle position

[craggy rivet]

possible

[dawn birch]

I mean yeah but also you can’t always pop off if you don’t know how to utilise rotations

What is also the exact reason why Aphelios is usually classed the “weakest” adc? Pure bc he has a massive kit or because he just sucks unless you don’t know what he does?

[manic urchin]

Most Aphs suck, needs a good combo of guns (which u can easily manipulate but most people don't know how), giganerfed from his old power (deservingly), general "lol adc" things, etc

Crit items

[dawn birch]

I can easily get my rotation and if I mess up I’ll revert it next rotation

[alpine gorge]

Draven > Kallista > Aph on the top 3

lowest skill are mf trist and probably jinx - ashe is harder than jinx as she has to learn to kite well to be useful while jinx is able to statcheck through bad kiting with her dmg output

ashe is a very lowkey champ on her difficulty as it is simple in low elo but once you start getting into plat-dia area you need to actually be good at kiting to perform on her

[inland fjord]

kalista draven aphelios samira

[craggy rivet]

Azir adc btw

[earnest otter]

Learn ezreal and vayne and you can learn other adc much faster than expected

[knotty slate]

this is awful senna is possibly the easiest adc in the game and even the implication that she is harder than aphelios is a cardinal sin

[gusty tundra]

[knotty slate]

a: kalista draven aphelios
b: vayne lucian
c: samira kaisa twitch
d: xayah cait jinx sivir varus
e: mf ashe jhin
could play with feet: senna

i think kaisas recent change in build path due to durability patch probably moves her down to d tier as her predominant playstyle now is significantly simpler

[dawn birch]

Samira is easy

If you don’t get a penta on her every match you’re just ass

[vestal minnow]

draven

I'd also say ez, cause he has different playstyle

[earnest otter]

Difficulty moreso depends on laning phase if they have a harder time in lane, it’s more difficult to master mechanically since you’re usually behind to unleash the champions full potential

[eager creek]

yeah idk how draven is hard, if you trade 1 or 2 autos you win every trade with little retailation, its all about movements, and his Q's teach you how to kite

[radiant creek]

thats precisely it

he needs his Q to do major dmg but you need to manage your positioning based on your Q or you might as well say bye to all your dmg

his Q is what makes him scary

[grave cedar]

axes have to become second hand to be good at draven

if you follow axes blindly then lux velkoz xerath will just cast spells at your axes

but of course dropping the axe means you lose damage so you’ll usually have to have a second axe ready

losing passive stacks also stinks hard

[eager creek]

kraken on draven isnt too bad either, if you drop an axe you still deal good dps

[grave cedar]

you arent gonna be playing front to back all the time

and eclipse has better components

eclipse + berserks and you are god at 2 items

[eager creek]

ive been pretty successful with kraken
if you have high engage support it works really well if they can peel

[unreal bolt]

My personal list of Mechanically Difficult Adc's are

1. Kalista
2. Zeri
3. Draven
4. Aphelios
   in that order

Zeri is only on that list because Attack Move on Zeri is pretty much useless besides from your empowered auto attack

[fierce reef]

Xayah, Draven, and Kalista are easily the 3 most mechanically difficult I'd say, zeri is a bit up there as well but not as hard as those 3 for sure

[tiny fog]

Aphelios just from the amount of stuff he does. Kalista cause of how she works, Samira you need to know how to combo with her in order to use her ult to top use, Nilah just because shes melee into range and not being able to know all her match ups can mean the lane is unplayable for herself and her support, I wouldnt say draven is hard you just need to practice axe patterns and once you get the hand of it hes pretty adjustable to get used too, Zeri wouldnt say is hard but i wouldnt say shes easy you need to adjust to her auto attacks once you get the hang of them shes pretty easy to use.