luneth log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:30 AM

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you should try to get your hand on a cache

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iqd can be good, but esp. in dungeon with big pulls using axe will give you a lot of dps

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wrist is a interesting unity slot, potential to have it moved to a stronger one

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one thing thats obv. is that you don't play out your covenent ability well

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at least it seems like that to me

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the first use of flag is around 17 sec in the fight

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:41 AM

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y thats what I thought - a quick tip for log analyzing yourself quick and dirty - just look for comparable logs with better performance and compare damage done and casts and stuff

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:41 AM

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the 2nd use is at 95 what is 83 secs after that

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:41 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JQ7gKbAXrW4mxD2p#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=145
he casted flag only once more and hit 20 times more on the cp spender part

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:41 AM

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but flag in aoe has a quite low cd of close to a minute

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:42 AM

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and i feel that could be improved even more

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:42 AM

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what means you likely could have lined it up with cooldowns here

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also, you should use flag outside of dance

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basically by playing flag inefficiently there, you also don't align it with your cooldowns

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:44 AM

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also even for tyranical (unless you are missing a lot of st dps)
lightless force > the other stuff
sharpening > oil

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:44 AM

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in this case, you did send dance without symbols

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but had no dance charge for symbols

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stacking damage amps is fairly potent, so you should consider it a bit

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:46 AM

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only spend dances if you have any enhance going (2 piece proc, Symbols) or you are about to cap

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:46 AM

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this has several mistakes
#1 finishing after shadow dance in low target situations is bad
#2 flag without a finisher after is bad
#3 flag during dance is bad
#4 flag without symbols?

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this cast was very bad planed

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same

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it seems single target/low target counts are also a issue

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flag-finish-cooldowns

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flag was send with 3 gcds of builder after, making it super inefficient

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tornado was not aligned too, and iqd/shb was used later on

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:51 AM

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we only flag symb finish in st opener to snapshot the rupture iirc

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:52 AM

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flag-symbols-finish is fine too

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the diffrence is minimal

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this could be avoided by using a dance + strike macro

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flag was again played fairly... inefficient

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you never start to dance on high cp in st

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so basically the rly big thing to learn is how to use your cooldowns efficiently

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as they are all over the place

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:53 AM

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y all combinations of macros are kinda useful for different situations
dance + ss
dance + shurikens
dance + sb
and so on

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:53 AM

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no doxxme

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giveme a sec, ill show you why

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!bugs

umbral saffronBOT Jul 10, 2022, 9:54 AM

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Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:54 AM

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https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/879

GitHub

Stance update for Shadow Dance is slow and can leads to bad UX · Is...

Game Version: 9.1.0 live Build 39185 but dates back to 7.x Description: Stance switching is slow what can lead to wrong triggers for macro conditions or wrong inputs when using different abilities ...

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^ this bug

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basically, if you use strike/backstab on the same key bing, the stance swap is to slow

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:54 AM

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y that happened to me??? i thought missclicked xd

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thanks i thought i was going insane

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:55 AM

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so basically the game thinks you are still on the non stealth bar

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and will send backstab instead of shadow strike

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:55 AM

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y felt like it but thought i was just bad

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 9:55 AM

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the solution is simple, you just macro dance + strike

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if you want to you can also do something like
/cast [stance:0] dance ; strike

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that would cast dance on first use and strike on 2nd key press

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i prefere to simply have 2 macros tho

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(one for dance + strike, one for dance without strike)

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 9:59 AM

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thanks for the link of the bugs - as a software dev i thoroughly enjoy your your indepth bug reports 😄

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you are a god send for the community since at least legion season 1 - last time i was active

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:02 AM

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to come back to cooldown use:

flag is always lined up with your cooldowns
easyest way to think of it is to flag-finish-coldowns.
shadow dance can be used agressively in aoe as you get it back fairly fast, but esp. when taget counts get lower you need to keep track of your stacks to avoid sending symbols without dance
you can fairly easy line up tornado with symbols (tornado has 1 min cd, symbols 30 secs), so you also should line it up
try to not send dance when you expect downtime soon

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:02 AM

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coral axle you are a god send for the community since at least legion season 1 - last time ...

oh wow, didn't think i had a lot of ppl who remember that far back ^^

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legion was when i started out with TC more or less

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:03 AM

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yeah i wrote a guide on using master assassin legendary as sin back then - was mythic raiding and stuff - now i just chill

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:04 AM

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nice, to bad you missed death from above

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:04 AM

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which patch?

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:04 AM

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7.2.x

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basically the mid legion re-work from subtlety

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that ended up creating a unintentionally fun gameplay loop

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:05 AM

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i think i played a bit of sub then - i remember killing mounted people with DFA when they flew away

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:05 AM

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coral axle only spend dances if you have any enhance going (2 piece proc, Symbols) or you a...

Oh nice I didn't know rhat thought it was use off CD. Cheers heaps. Sorry guys I am reading all this and appreciate it

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:06 AM

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nocturne sorrel Oh nice I didn't know rhat thought it was use off CD. Cheers heaps. Sorry guys I...

fuu said it better: dont use when downtime soon and spend when many targets because you get it back fast

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:06 AM

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no worry, its usual that we don't respond immidatly

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so its expected that the one who asked reads/responds later

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:07 AM

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rocky swan this could be avoided by using a dance + strike macro

What do you mean dance strike macro man?

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:07 AM

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/cast shadow dance
/cast shadow strike

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only spend dances if you have any enhance going (2 piece proc, Symbols) or you are about to cap
just to go into this a bit

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its just essential to have at least 1 dance charge for symbols

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esp. in aoe you will use dance fairly aggressive because you get it back fairly fast

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in single target you would want to preserve dance charges more

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esp. when playing venthyr

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because you want to use flag as efficient as possible, and this usually means using 2 dance charges after flag

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(using only one is perfectly fine, but you can plan around having two)

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so the gist is to plan a bit around the use

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so that you can stack your damage cooldowns without delaying

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:12 AM

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Cheers heaps. You would never sit on 2 shadow dances right? So if I'm about to get my second charge back it's cool to just send it? Or would I wait for a shadow blades proc or symb to come off CD?

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:12 AM

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yes

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you would use dance always if you are about to cap

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:12 AM

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Yeah cheers I knew I wasn't doing great job with it but I will consciously make that my next thing to improve on

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:12 AM

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the 2 dance with flag

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just means you generate enough cdr during the first dance

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to have a 2nd charge

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you don't sit on 2 charges to get that

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it basically comes down (on single target)

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to when you use your non-symbol charges

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as that can decide how well you can align them

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ofc. there is a bit of a rng involved with the tier set now

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:14 AM

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a bit is a fun expression

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:15 AM

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that can make it not as easy to plan around, but as mentioned only having 1 dance charge for flag is perfectly fine

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:15 AM

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there a pulls i dont even have to cast cp gens xd

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:16 AM

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Okay no worries cheers heaps. Is it fine to symbol > Shadow dance > Shadow dance for the remaining (2 Secs?) Of the symbol buff

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Or is that waste

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:17 AM

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yes

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its perfectly fine to use 2 dance charges

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but esp. with venthyr you plan your dances out more

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kyrian in contrast

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you basically send on cd

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(you would still always line up one with symbols)

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:18 AM

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Thanks mate I appreciate it so much. Hopefully I can improve and have not wasted your time!

So kyrian I can send shadowdances anytime? Hmm might be alot easier to play while learning

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:19 AM

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as i mentioned in ()

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you would still plan a bit

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e.g. if you are barely on a charge of dance

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and symbols would come up in 7 secs

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you probably won't send "on cd"

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:20 AM

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best to do is probably pick out one of the problems
do a mythic+ and focus just on that one thing
for example flag usage
repeat a few times

pick another problem
do the same

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:20 AM

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but wait for it to come up and align it

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^ doxx has a good point

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try to go one step at the time

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probably easiest thing to start is to play flag more efficient

coral axle Jul 10, 2022, 10:21 AM

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coral axle best to do is probably pick out one of the problems do a mythic+ and focus just...

how to improve at anything in a nutshell

nocturne sorrel Jul 10, 2022, 10:22 AM

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Thanks heaps guys

rocky swan Jul 10, 2022, 10:22 AM

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also, don't forget to have fun 😉

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