#log analysis bexone
north mist
Okay im here so whenever you are ready
valid beacon
can't open the link
wet briar
looks like the main issue is your cooldown usage
you go over 3 minutes without casting a flag
valid beacon
must be a issue on my isp then, not sure why its not loading :/
but whispyr got you 🙂
wet briar
yeah I gotcha
north mist
So flag should be used whenever its up ?
wet briar
the general rotation is alternating flag and symbols every 30 seconds
so you get something like
flag tornado symbols
symbols
flag tornado symbols
symbols
flag tornado symbols
symbols
with each line being 30 seconds
north mist
ah and my lines are every 3 min
wet briar
well they are sometimes
other times it seems okay
but then on top of that, these flag casts themselves aren't really that high quality
like this hurts
seeing all those backstabs is just pure pain
north mist
okay
wet briar
I'm also going to assume you're using tornado for these as well
since it's much better
I see you taking MoS for the log
north mist
Yeah isnt that better for tyran ?
wet briar
no
if anything, you would play kyrian with weaponmaster MoS
but if you're playing venthyr, you always go tornado
north mist
okay
wet briar
so starting from the ground up, the first thing is symbols. Symbols should be on cooldown, every 30 seconds
and everything else fits around that
north mist
symbols combined with shadow dance right ?
wet briar
your dance gets used with symbols, or if you're overcapping
north mist
never use symbols out of shadow dance ?
north mist
ok
wet briar
symbols on cooldown, and if you don't have a dance for it, you didn't manage the charges properly
you should pretty much always have 1 charge of dance sitting available
if you get to like 1.6-1.7 charges, you can send one
or if you use symbols then you would use one as well
and that symbols/dance relationship forms the basis of your rotation, in both aoe and single target
from that base, we build flag and tornado on top
north mist
flag always with symbols and 5cp?
wet briar
with obedience, especially in aoe, you should be able to get flag close to, but usually more than 30 stacks, so it's around a 1 min cooldown
which means every other symbols, you flag
north mist
okay
wet briar
and yes, you want to flag on 5 cp
there's a combo you should be doing every single time you use tornado
regardless of target counts
build to 5+ -> flag -> finish -> tornado (or use another finish if 4pc procced until you don't have cp) -> symbols/dance between the gcd -> 4 seconds of tornado -> rotation
what you do in those 4 seconds is the only thing that depends on target count
if you have 4 or more, you just finish 4x
if you have 1-3, you would strike-finish-strike-finish
but that flag->finish->tornado->symbols/dance between gcd
is a constant
that should be the combo every minute like clockwork
north mist
okay
whats with rupture on boss fights
and snd
do i keep that up or its a waste of cp ?
wet briar
When to use certain finisher:
Eviscerate: 1 & 2 targets, priority damage.
Rupture: 1, 2 and 3 targets or on priority target, only if target survives for the duration.
Black Powder: 3+ or more targets.
Slice and Dice: 1 - 5 targets
from the #subtlety-faq
north mist
Okay
So this pretty much covers it all that you explained
I should just try to practice it
Flag symbols dance cooldown managment
?
wet briar
yep
north mist
Okay
wet briar
cooldown usage is the thing that kills sub typically
it's quite hard to mess up the rest of it since it's a very simple generate->spend->generate->spend outside of that
some other things to note are that you should really try to get a cache of acquired treasure
north mist
Yep im trying to do that
wet briar
some mastery would also increase your overall damage, idk if you have a second gear set
but mastery is really good in aoe, and equal in funnel
so it's good to have some if you're trying to pump
wet briar
crit vers is great single target, but vers isn't great in aoe
the tradeoff between vers and mastery is basically mastery is more damage/aoe, but you get defensive/bit more single target with vers
wet briar
but that flag->finish->tornado->symbols/dance between gcd
some other minor rotational things to keep in mind:
don't ever rupture during dance, use an instant finisher like evisc/powder instead, and get the rupture up outside of dance, it's okay to let it drop on single target if it's going to expire during dance
try to avoid slice during dance, but you do want to maintain slice especially during boss fights. Ideally you refresh that between dances
send shadowblades on cooldown, with your 2 piece it's not worth holding it for anything
urh reduces ALL cooldowns by 20 seconds, so if you play it well, it shouldn't mess up any of your symbols/flag timings. Just be careful as you get the buff to keep the rotation going and the cooldown rotation above, pressing things as they come off cooldown during the buff. you should be coming out of an Urh buff with the same timings, but everything shifted 20 seconds forward
north mist
Okay thank you very much for help
wet briar
wait
north mist
Ill try to get cache asap
wet briar
oh okay
wet briar
should be lashing/deeper/planned exec typically
north mist
You can check
wet briar
stiletto is fine
but it's not really that great since you get a lot of blades uptime from 2 piece in keys
north mist
Okay
wet briar
ouch
north mist
Im dumb lmao
wet briar
happens
north mist
Ty for noticing it
wet briar
the bigger thing is the cooldowns, but the mastery should help a fair bit
there was some higher m+ people doing 25-27's with like almost almost 80% mastery in DoS and shit
was insane
north mist
Thing is all the guides say crit vers and idk honestly why
valid beacon
majority of the high runners use vers over mastery
because of the defensive value
this is why you rarely see people with high mastery