#fishstick log review
sonic falcon
oh thanks but how does it work i dont know
the others who were willing to help dont seem to be in
sonic falcon
hm i dont remember why or what happened
sick goblet
you are missing anima CPs
small cliff
the fight is around 3:30 so it should have 7 casts
sick goblet
quite a lot
sonic falcon
but maybe i was soaking
sick goblet
think i can see at least like
3 anima cps
of different variations
not being used
- not backstabbing between dances
sonic falcon
i am also trying to luck out the 2nd cp ending up using a finisher with 3 in a dance
sick goblet
dont do that
just try hit 2 out of dance
unless it magically falls into your lap and SHT is at like 50% or less
small cliff
don't start dance with a finisher
small cliff
you rly want to finish before dancing
hollow spindle
hollow spindle
lol
sick goblet
hollow spindle
damn my 4p must b workin diffy
small cliff
this is why the mentioned symbols cast loss happened
sick goblet
ye man its like the leaked 10.0 version
sonic falcon
you rly want to finish before dancing
why is that? in my mind the bonus dmg of a dance means i need to cast more evis in it
sick goblet
shadowstrike > backstab
hollow spindle
you dont view dance as a dmg amp but instead as access to shadowstrike
small cliff
shadow dances biggest gain is to allow you to use shadow strike
small cliff
the concept is basically to maximize the potential shadow strike casts
if you start your dance with a finisher you already lose out because you only have 8 gcds
sonic falcon
ah shit that makes a lot of sense
and yes i have them macro'd together but that is not a problem
i could just repress the macro and symbols would be up
small cliff
finish-strike-strike-finish-strike-strike-finish-strike
- 5 strike casts
strike-strike-finish-strike-strike-finish-strike-strike
- 6 strike casts
sonic falcon
that was probably a mistake
sick goblet
well you shouldnt macro them together
hollow spindle
im also pretty sure u sat on shadowblades for a while, with stilletto staccatto blades comes up around 1:10 to 1:30 but this is almost 2min
sick goblet
and first sigil is not a good sub trinket
sonic falcon
i know it is not the best, but xymox refuses to cooperate
hollow spindle
ur gear is also just pretty bad in general
hollow spindle
well ur 270
sonic falcon
273 now
sick goblet
weapons
small cliff
just to showcase the symbols cast again
the red line shows when you could use symbols
so you basically did sit on it for 10 seconds
sonic falcon
hm maybe i didnt have a dance?
small cliff
symbools is a short cooldown
if you did not
you also made a mistake
the baseline of subtlety rogue is to always have 1 dance for symbols
sonic falcon
this goes with what i said earlier, in my mind to max the dmg in a sd i thought evis was the way
small cliff
using spare charges outside of this alignment is dynamic
in fact kyrian has such a high cdr that you can more or less fire and forget
ofc you will still consider your cp value and pv stacks
but if you are close to symbols of death
you would still hold onto using dance if it would mean that you couldn't align it
sonic falcon
yeah that's the 101 i guess
so to get it right, in sd my priority is to use as many ss as possible to proc sb
small cliff
for dance, i did not see it happen to much
but you rly want to stay on the target
you lost a global during it here
sonic falcon
that missed global has to be when i went to soak
true half of it seems to be wasted out of a dance
hollow spindle
u can stay on boss when u are soaking
small cliff
^
hollow spindle
have to like hump the boss and at the last tick u can step back
the last tick knocks u the most
sonic falcon
yeah a bit extreme on my side, just want to do the mechanics and not costing my raid time
small cliff
i think this point is clear, but just to emphasize it, this was also your next symbols cast and the delay you had
sonic falcon
i think i see the problem here tho
rupture and snd were falling off
i wanted to refresh before going into the dance
small cliff
and to showcase the symbols/dance practice above, you did this
hollow spindle
so u can maximize sod casts in a fight
sonic falcon
what if the rup and the snd are around 15secs
small cliff
basically if you waited for a few seconds you could just use symbols-dance
sonic falcon
okay question then, at what point do you refresh these things?
sick goblet
what if the rup and the snd are around 15secs
then it wouldnt fall off?
sonic falcon
let me see, i need a tough scenario
snd and rupture are less than 9 seconds
dance and symbols are lining up in less than 2 seconds
what do i do here?
small cliff
also a little detail that might be important if you want to do higher content
you can enchant your back with defensive stats
sick goblet
snd and rupture are less than 9 seconds
you have refreshed in preparation for it
snd pandemic is 12s
sonic falcon
ah yes i have done that fuu, thanks
sick goblet
so that scenario shouldnt exist
hollow spindle
if ur in that scenario it means you should have refreshed earlier
sonic falcon
so below 12 seconds i can refresh the snd?
hollow spindle
https://gyazo.com/b26ef98646793b97888b430c949c05a2 also somewhat minor but u delay vanish by a minute and a half which doesn't hurt u bcz u didn' tmiss a cast here but on longer fights u will miss vanishes
hollow spindle
yes but it comes up at 2min
hollow spindle
it lets you cast shadowstrike
sonic falcon
and applying f ind weakness
hollow spindle
ur definitely undervaluing shadowstrike
sonic falcon
yeah last time i played sub was in s1
at that point it was clear, just cast as many ss as possible
i guess same goes now
i will go over this chat once again, pls fuu dont close it xd
hollow spindle
they archive if no1 types after a cpl days but im pretty sure u can always go back to it
sick goblet
the reason why you want to maximize shadowstrikes in dance isnt cus of the 2p proc
its because shadowstrike is much stronger than backstab
which is what ur trading it for
the 2p adds to that
but the core sub gameplay is to always maximize strikes
sonic falcon
yeah i had it all wrong in my head
i was thinking that during dance you need to max dps which means empowered evis was the way
used to consider dances with only 2 evis as wasted
will work on that
@sick goblet mind if you elaborate why you said my stats are bad?
i am using gear compare for every single piece i get
in that aspect i think my char is optimized in the best possible way
am not saying this is the ideal gear but i dont think it should be considered that much of a hindrance
hollow spindle
u have a lot of mastery
sick goblet
I mean perhaps you simply dont have better items
but crit/mastery ring isnt the hottest
you have 2 mediocre trinkets
haste/vers cloak when its easy to get crit/vers
you play the tier gloves instead of legs
sonic falcon
i have a crit/vers ring aswell but gear compare shows it as a downgrade :S
sick goblet
no sylvanas dagger
sonic falcon
sylvie's dagger aint happening my friend, i cant find people raiding that shit anymore 😦
sick goblet
nah i'm just saying, if you're gonna compare yourself to the r1 logs then you better have better gear cus its a huge part of dps
sonic falcon
maybe s4
hollow spindle
nah i'm just saying, if you're gonna compare yourself to the r1 logs then you be...
this^
sonic falcon
i will actually go do some gear compare again
sonic falcon
what should i use?
sick goblet
top gear is better
sick goblet
stat weights shift a lot, no point following
top gear will give you the most accurate best loadout
sonic falcon
yeah i am just taking it slow with the valor farm, i dont want to get burnt out and ruin the game for the next 3 months at least
small cliff
!eon