thundderz log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:12 PM

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i assume you are locke?

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:13 PM

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yes

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thanks for taking times

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:14 PM

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fro conduits, i am not sure if stiletto is better than pv, might be worth simming

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you don't have a back enchant, it might not be a dps gain but probably not bad practice to still use

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but your back is 236

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if you did the storyline in zm, you can easy get a 252 back with good stats

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okay, lets look at gameplay

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:15 PM

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might have missed it, finished it yesterday

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:16 PM

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what i mean with easy get it is you get it from rare/treasure/etc

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:16 PM

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ho ok haha

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:16 PM

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so items below 252 are usually a result of not having enough time to do that or being to lazy

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your rupture uptime is fairly low, it should be 98% or higher

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86 means you let it drop for quite a long time

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for slice and dice you have a very long gap without slice and dice in there, that shouldn't happen

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(i look at skolex)

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:18 PM

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ok rupture and SnD uptime over 98%

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it was my first raid yesterday

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:18 PM

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its just something that is easy to see from the buff/damage graphs

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rupture uptime can be a bit lower without problems

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having low snd uptime is usually rly bad

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as it funnels your energy and cp gain

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so your energy economy and feedback loop with shadow dance cdr from finishers is worse if you don't keep it up

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towards your play, you don't rly need to backstab before using slice there

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and storm seems rly weird as the boss is pure st

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so just strike-snd-dance

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you didn't use 8 abilities within your first dance

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and after the first dance you just started to do this

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what is rly bad

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because if you have flag active you want to build stacks

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and when you backstab, you build stacks very slow

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so you want to use dance

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and backstab only rly when you need to consume pv stacks

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but you are not playing PV, so thats irrelevant

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the following dance is also not played very well

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you again use storm

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only hit 7 abilities during dance

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as well as start the dance with a finisher

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:23 PM

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i think its because of our blue swirly placement, but i get what you are saying

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:23 PM

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if you think storm is good to get 1 cp

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its not a great builder

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:23 PM

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ok so finisher to start dance

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:24 PM

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no finisher to start dance

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if you have 5 or 6 cp

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finish-dance

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:24 PM

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hoooo

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:24 PM

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and we jump into the 2nd mistake

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this is rly a common mistake

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and its one because people don't learn the basics at all

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the basics of the spec are damage amp stacking

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what means symbols is used on cooldown as much as possible

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and shadow dance is aligned to it

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spare uses can be used as wanted or needed to not overcap

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people usually try to be more conservative before they get flag back

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so that they can double dance after it

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in the case above

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you did use dance before that

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and did not consder the symbols alignement at al

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thus sitting there backstabbing

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and waiting for dance to come off cooldown

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again its a common mistake, but should be rly easy to avoid if you understand this basic concept

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:27 PM

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all right

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i know i was everywhere in my rotation and tried my best to align CDs, but failed haha

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:29 PM

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and we jump to the next symbols cycle, that one was after the worm dived down

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:29 PM

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again storm ...

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:29 PM

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your raid team seems to (not unusual) play it fairly inefficient given the long downtime, but thats normal.
I try to convince my raid leader to not do that too but failed so far

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there are several mistakes

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first of all and this is probably before he dives down you could have used snd after he dived down
Or probably even build cp with shuriken throw and apply a low-ish cp snd here

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after that you kind of missunderstood how to play flag

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it is in the faq and also in the guides

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to flag-finish-cooldowns

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the reason is simple, you want to use shadow dance efficient, and by losing globals in it to flag-finish you don't do that

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also by aligning dance after the finisher you have 8 seconds with shadow strikes/finishers

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that builds a lot more stacks for flag

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as you probably also see here

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flag is 12 secs

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and you did spend 3 of it doing shadow dance

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instead of 8

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:34 PM

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big dps loss

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:34 PM

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so less combo points, means less stacks, means less cdr .....

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flagallation is a very punishing cooldown

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so as you probably realize its essential to play well around it

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:35 PM

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i can see that

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:35 PM

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the next dance/symbols also are a repeat issue of what i stated above

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:35 PM

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thats why i really want to improve, the spec is fun and i love the subtility of the rotation and CDs

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:35 PM

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you probably know it now, that this dance would need to be aligned to symbols

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another mistake is here

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this is a easy avoidable, but somehting that happens to everyone sometimes esp. when learning a encounter

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you basically dud use your dance and likely your rl called to run off to stack

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if you get more comfortable with timings on the fights, you will not make this mistakes

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but just to emphasize it, losing an entire dance is a big damage loss

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and as with flag and other things, doing inefficient things can fuck you even more

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in this case you had no dance charge after the dive for your flag

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this dance seems fine on first look

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but it is only 7 globals

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also

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if you have slice and dice up

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you should never have 3 strike casts

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as your sht will give you a combo point

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its likely that you did either just send another strike, or had no snd up

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:39 PM

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i think the latter

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i did setup a few sounds warning for SnD last night after the raid until i feel more comfortable with all the concept of the spec

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:40 PM

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and the rest of the fight is just a lot of repeat issues, i don't think i need to re-iterate on.
e.g. here flag-finish-cooldowns

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:41 PM

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i did the opposite lol

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cd-flag-finisher

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:42 PM

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in general if you keep the principles up to always have 1 dance charge for symbols
(but don't be afraid to use dance outside of that, you should never cap on charges)
and play flagallation correct, you should see a noticable increase in performance

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:42 PM

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and doing the order correctly i should see a big improvement

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:42 PM

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keeping slice and dice up is also improtant, so keep that in mind. its also fine to refresh in dance

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for your lost globals in dance, i assume thats just about getting used to the spec

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if you continue to only see 7 gloabls in your logs, i would try to practice and see if other factors contribute

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also one thing straight up, and this is not to disencourage you

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:43 PM

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i will be camping the dummy for the next few days for sure

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:44 PM

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you won't get super high parses

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:44 PM

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to get some sort of muscle memory

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:44 PM

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just simple because you don't have the tier set yet, nor do you have the sylvanas daggers

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thats due to gear, and you will increase on that over time

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:44 PM

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thanks for the heads up hehe

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:44 PM

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i just want to say, don't expect purple/orange parses even if you improve in gameplay

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they will get their over time, but its a journey and you will take one step at the time usually 🙂

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:46 PM

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if i can get closer to my sims i will be very happy

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:46 PM

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i think hitting the sim dps is in general not that easy without a bit of luck

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:46 PM

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do you macro 2 cds together or i should pop them separetely

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:46 PM

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the closest fight that could get you there is halondrus

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(even tho is a bit cheating)

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i use my cooldowns separately

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but i use some macros

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if you type !macro in #subtlety

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it will send you some macro suggestions

short socket Mar 30, 2022, 2:48 PM

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thanks a lot for all the suggestion and taking the times to explain everything

leaden escarp Mar 30, 2022, 2:48 PM

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no problem, now its on you to take what i wrote and convert it in gameplay

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also don't forget to have fun 🙂

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