#thassadyr log analysis

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loud flare
errant jewel
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I compared my logs to some top logs and some things I think could be the culprit:

  • While building flag stacks I spend on lower cp's to build the stacks more quickly.
  • Sometimes during SD I still have the habit of finishing with 4 cp's (w/ deeper strat) rather than 5-6.
  • I guess I should be a bit more aggressive during BL/good proc windows with spending shadowdances since top logs seem to be getting 1-2 more SD's in the same kill time
  • I have SS and BS bound to the same keybind, I'm aware of the backstab bug, but when looking at the logs it does not seem like this issue is occuring for me?
    Let me know if you guys find something else 🙂
hard cloak
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Are you comparing your numbers to other ppl playing venthyr?

errant jewel
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yeah

hard cloak
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Alright

errant jewel
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I'm aware kyrian is better for ST. Mostly posted skolex cause it's easier to find issues on patchwerk, and I assume the issues I have are issues with fundamentals rather than covenant specific stuff.

hard cloak
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Just so you're not looking at strike differences vs kyrian, cus its just going to have higher # of strikes, naturally

errant jewel
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With kyrian your SD usage is more aggressive right, so more SS's as a result?

hard cloak
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Well you also simply have more dance casts

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Because you gain dance cdr from ER

errant jewel
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ah, makes sense

hard cloak
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Just right off the bat, your kill time on this particular kill is just very awkward/bad for Venthyr

errant jewel
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yeah, I get flag back right as it dies

hard cloak
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Or well, its prob fine normally. But you delay ur 3rd flag by a few seconds

errant jewel
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He got two more SD's during the fight. One in BL window at pull, and one towards the end (2:30ish if I remember correctly)

hard cloak
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Ye but he has 4 set

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You have to look at gear too

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the 4 set will give more dance usage

errant jewel
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Do you know if 4set proc counts as an additional cast in logs?

hard cloak
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Yes it counts as a cast

errant jewel
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And in AOE as multiple then I assume?

hard cloak
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yes

errant jewel
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okay, makes sense

hard cloak
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It seems like you have this tendency to dance and then symbols mid dance

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which means 4 seconds is just raw symbols

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when it could be less, and idk why ur doing this, overcapping dance?

errant jewel
hard cloak
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but if i compare your energy wasted from those symbols. The other log you linked has only 5 more energy wasted

errant jewel
hard cloak
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Because you're using the energy while Master of Shadows is still ticking energy

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You should never sit on dance stacks

errant jewel
errant jewel
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So generally use one extra SD between symbols to keep it from capping

hard cloak
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Well if you see that you're going to cap

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then you use it

errant jewel
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Not sure if you have the log open, but is it in this window where I cap?

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hard cloak
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I don't know if you cap in this particular log, but the statement: "Some fights I do sit at 2 stacks for a little bit to line it up with symbols/flag/sb".

Is just bad practice

errant jewel
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yeah okay, fair enough

hard cloak
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capping dance is one of the worst things you can do

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It seems like ur fully understanding how to play the symbols+dance+flag windows tho

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Reaching 28-30 stacks on all 3

errant jewel
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Am I correct in spending at 3-4 cp's to build flag stacks?

hard cloak
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3 is bad

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4 is neutral

errant jewel
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Cause I have seem logs where they always seem to double SS into spender

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Okay

hard cloak
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On your last GCD in flag

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you can send it on anything

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to get that last finisher in

errant jewel
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And once I reach 30 stacks I try and double SS into spender to always have the 5-6 cps

hard cloak
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You would only do the 4 cp finisher if you have blades at the same time

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But once you have the 4 piece tier set, you wanna stop doing that completely

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and just always try finish on 5+

errant jewel
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Aaah okay, didn't even consider the blades

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yeah, played a bit on tournament realm with 4set

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But should I worry about my lower dmg from SS for now, or just wait and see if 4set fixes it?

hard cloak
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Its already technically not a dps gain to finish on 4 in flag

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just neutral

errant jewel
hard cloak
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yes

errant jewel
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okay

hard cloak
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but this seems fine, as i said. Just very sad to see the big downtime between ur 3rd flag and boss dying

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Kinda bad for dps

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Not sure what happened during your 3rd flag, but its slightly delayed based on how many stacks you got on your 2nd flag

errant jewel
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Been a few days since raid, but I think I was just a bit pepega with lining stuff up around the group soak on ranged

hard cloak
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But for this comparison log you've sent. His shadowblades has higher uptime (rng) and he got the 4p (a lot more dps).

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So its hard to compare

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He also has 2 sylv daggers

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mythic

errant jewel
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Don't get me started on those haha

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But I looked at some of my m+ logs too, and outside of me spending a lot more time on funneling, I see that most logs just literally have double the casts of SS throughout a whole dungeon. I did like 350, they had over 700.

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At least that can now be explained by the 4set stuff we talked about a sec ago

hard cloak
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I think you need to stop dance early and then use symbols mid dance, unless you're capping out on dance. It's perfectly fine to dance into a flag if you're about to cap dance. Just never ever sit on 2 dance stacks for whatever reason.

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And consider playing kyrian instead of venthyr for pure ST

errant jewel
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And yeah, gonna swap to kyrian asap. Just not as comfortable with it yet, so went for the comfort pick last raid

hard cloak
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All good, you're doing good for the gear you got.

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No 4p, no daggers, purple log aint bad

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or well 1 heroic dagger

errant jewel
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Either way, greatly appreciate you taking the time to have a look at my logs!