#skadooshbag log analysis
green rain
green rain
oh wow, your shadow dance uptime seems fairly low
you also did not hit your anima charged combo points a lot
your 2nd symbols is already delayed by 8 seconds
i don't think you need to backstab there
again delayed symbols there, symbols was up at 104
you lost a lot of globals in dance
both er and symbols came up earlier, yet you did delay it, unsure if its because of boss mechanics
rupture in dance is not good
you forgot about pv between dances here
dance should here be after symbols
you did delay both if i am not mistaken symbols and er to get this alignment
again same as above
alright, to sum it up:
#1 hit your er combo points!
#2 don't delay symbols or er, you had symbols delayed multiple times by quite a bit
#3 don't use dance if you are very close to symbol and would not be able to symbols-dance
#4 don't forget abour PV!
#5 try to keep on the boss, step, vanish, sprint all work well to do that
lapis kite
I’ve been working on trying to get them in dance but if not I’ll try to BS or let ST give me the point to hit them.
I am pretty good about using ER outside of dance. Sometimes it comes up in the middle so I’m waiting to spend CPs then use it outside of dance. Delaying symbols means I’m not having a dance to pair with it. Someone was saying you could also Symbols, BS for a juicy PV, then dance.
I’ve been pretty conscious about not just using my second dance and waiting for symbols or making sure not to cap on 2. If I have dance about to cap but symbols is still on CD should I wait or go ahead and dance and then use symbols as soon as it comes up and then PV and go into second dance?
Like I’m talking about to cap and symbols has like 5 seconds
green rain
kyrian just sends dance
ofc you want to have one for symbols
but thats about it
rest is just if ready, use it
lapis kite
wait? so don't hold my second charge?
dekai said i should
because when i do that i'm running into issues of not having a dance for symbols
like if thats the case, i need to have an understanding of when i can use second dance based off of how much cd is left on the other charge and in relation to symbols. cause a dance outside of symbols should net me what? 20 some seconds of cd reduction on dance
green rain
you hold on to your charge for symbols
but you can send it more agressively esp. if you get 2p
just make sure you have 1 charge for symbols
lapis kite
so when i'm playing a bit more conservative, i do, but when i play more aggressive i don't
also what if i'm mid dance and symbols comes up? use symbols or finish dance then pair it with the second one
not trying to sound stupid, but there are these little things that i don't comprehend. i was sin on last raid
which i find infinitely easier because not a lot of cd management
lapis kite
ok. its the little nuances like that, that i'm unsure about. also timing when to use another charge of dance to make sure i'll still have one for symbols. say if i just came out of dance/symbols so that means its on its 1min cd. if i go straight into another dance, the other won't be back up by the time symbols comes off cd. also just being better about keeping snd and rupture up outside of dance. sometimes they are both falling off at the same time and that really sucks because usually dance and symbols are coming off cd again and its like do i wait and reapply rupture or send it and rupture in dance
green rain
if you don't have tier set you can use dance when close to reaching 2 stacks
and with symbols else
with tier you want to do it more agressively
lapis kite
thats how i been playing. i need one more piece for 2
what i really hate is the open and SS only gives me 2 cps, so its a short snd, so after first dance and symbols, SnD is coming off. Is it ok to refresh SnD in dance in those situations or should i just BS with PV, refresh and go into second dance
green rain
you can use the deathly cheese pre pull
to start the fight with full time snd
just type !ds in #subtlety
lapis kite
i'm aware of it, but we still got some early pulls sometimes and i don't want to run that risk
green rain
you can use vanish 5 secs pre pull and it would still be fine
so you don't need super tight timing
lapis kite
makes sense. but without it, what would be the better option? refresh in between the dances or keep going and refresh in dance
rupture isn't a problem cause of the charged CP. like i said though, sometimes i'm running into the situation where both SnD and Rupture are falling off and I feel like there is a really messed up timing or something there on my part and I feel screwed cause i can only refresh one and then the other falls off and i'll have dance and symbols up
green rain
if snd is about to fall off its fine to refresh during dance
rupture you don't want to during dance
lapis kite
ok. maybe i need to refresh snd a little sooner then or something to fix that problem
cuz it happens frequently'
or just hit the dummy more
green rain
sub needs a bit to get used to, but it feels fairly fluid once you learn it
lapis kite
i mean hitting a dummy, i'm good. throw in mechanics and moving around, start to fall off
i hate getting beat by the sin rogue in a st fight because i've fucked something up
and super salty that i had legs drop and i already had and gave to him so now he has 2pc and i'm sitting on one
green rain
tbh i like to compete on a even base, so i wouldn't mind that
lapis kite
yeah but still on a ST fight if I lose, its like wtf did I do wrong. It's so easy to hit shiv on cd and keep garrote and rupture up and then use envenom
but i want to stick with sub for the ST fights because I know it does more
shit sin 2pc is perfect, especially if you know you gotta get away from the boss for a bit. just shiv and let your bleeds do a shit ton of dmg while i'm standing there with my thumb up my ass