dapspman log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:53 PM

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tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 2:53 PM

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Poggies

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:54 PM

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notlikethis backstab in dance

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also some lost globals

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 2:55 PM

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nocturne kindle <:notlikethis:867819582256185375> backstab in dance

im running the conduit

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i forget the name, the one where you get 6 stacks and then you backstab

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:56 PM

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yes

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with PV you use backstab before going into dance

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so you dance-bs-(finish)-dance

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 2:56 PM

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even if i hit stacks during dance?

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:56 PM

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you never start dance with a finisher, so finish-dance here

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:57 PM

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tame slate even if i hit stacks during dance?

do you have akaaris or 4p?

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 2:57 PM

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nocturne kindle do you have akaaris or 4p?

nope

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:57 PM

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well then you shouldn't get into this position

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because you generate 5-6 stacks during one dance

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 2:57 PM

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in opener when you double dance i get 6 stacks during my second dance

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like in the middle of it

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 2:59 PM

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strike (1), er-dance-rupture-strike(2)-evi-strike(3)-strike(4)-evi-strike(5)-strike(6)

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at what point mid first dance?

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if you get a wm proc you are 1 stack ahead, still lower than 6

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and you will use bs after first dance

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so start next dance with 0 stacks

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you don't want to use er during dance

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:01 PM

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nocturne kindle strike (1), er-dance-rupture-strike(2)-evi-strike(3)-strike(4)-evi-strike(5)-str...

sorry to interfere but this can be affected by WM procs isnt it?

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:01 PM

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yes

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i did mention it below

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:01 PM

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nocturne kindle you don't want to use er during dance

oh really

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i didnt know, thanks

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i thought i just slammed it on cd

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:02 PM

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but you would need a very big amount of procs to get to high stacks mid dance, as you won't bs in dance during last 3 secs

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you slam it on cd

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just not in dance

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its in the faq

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:02 PM

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tyty

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:03 PM

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no rupture during dance either ^^

lilac rampart Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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can also dump a dance right before it's coming off cd to make sure you don't overcap

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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I noticed he didnt SnD at the start of the fight

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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same with er as above, also it might have been better to not dance before you get symbols up

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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austere oyster I noticed he didnt SnD at the start of the fight

he uses the pre pull cheese, type !ds in #subtlety to see how it works

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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if it happens that u get yourself in that position, rupture is falling off and u are in dance. U just ignore until dance is over?

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:04 PM

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yes

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:05 PM

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is it the same for snd?

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:05 PM

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nocturne kindle yes

ah, understood

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:05 PM

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no, you want to always have snd up

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so snd is something you can refresh during dance too

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again backstab at the start of dance

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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roger, we learning a lot with ur log @tame slate

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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np broski thats why we're here

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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nocturne kindle so snd is something you can refresh during dance too

But highly preferred to refresh before dance am i right?

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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ruptue at the start of dance

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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nocturne kindle again backstab at the start of dance

i assumed you'd want to buff the empowered backstab with dance

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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its not worth it to do so

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you lose on shadowstrike casts

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:06 PM

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at 43 seconds you ER while in Shadowdance

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:07 PM

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to explain why you don't want to finish first during dance:
you basically lower the amount of builder you can use, and shadowstrike is the main reason we use dance

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:07 PM

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as a new sub rogue, think of shadowdance as u Shadowstrike giver. U have like 8-9 globals to do all the shadowstrikes u can without overcaping. Every global u use in dance that is not shadowstrike, will be a backstab later

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or that's how i see it

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:08 PM

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you did lose quite a bit of uptime there

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:08 PM

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silent sapphire as a new sub rogue, think of shadowdance as u Shadowstrike giver. U have like 8-...

its always 8 globals ^^

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:08 PM

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silent sapphire as a new sub rogue, think of shadowdance as u Shadowstrike giver. U have like 8-...

What do you mean 8 globals

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:08 PM

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if you are in dance, don't hesitate to use shadowstep or sprint to stay on the boss

lilac rampart Mar 10, 2022, 3:08 PM

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backstab in Dance can also be super fucky with your CP

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:09 PM

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8 full uses of it?

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:09 PM

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8 gcds

lilac rampart Mar 10, 2022, 3:09 PM

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you get 8 casts

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during 1 dance

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:09 PM

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1 dance = SS+SS+Evis+SS+SS+Evis+SS+SS

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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nocturne kindle you did lose quite a bit of uptime there

might have been during transition where people are stacking the aoe's in the choke point

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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lilac rampart you get 8 casts

Alright

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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this one lined up quite nicely

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you basically ended up with symbols-pv empowered bs-dance

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thats 👍

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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is symbols + pv acceptable?

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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yes

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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uh didnt know that

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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^ I think its the most efficient way to use PV

lilac rampart Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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symbols + pv is pog

silent sapphire Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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gut gut

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:10 PM

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but you usually won't line it up this good

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:11 PM

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nocturne kindle but you usually won't line it up this good

Its going to be a lil hard to line it up with 4p isnt it? And also talent 1

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:11 PM

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it was a nice coincident, but is ver ynice

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:11 PM

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Its based on procs rather than time

nocturne kindle Mar 10, 2022, 3:12 PM

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rest of the fight is kinda always repeating the same mistakes

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so to sum it up:

use er on cd outside of dance
start dance with low cp
backstab between dances to get rid of pv stacks
use mobility cooldowns (step/vanish/sprint) to stay on boss during dance
don't refresh rupture in dance

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:14 PM

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ok cool

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cheers

lilac rampart Mar 10, 2022, 3:14 PM

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good uptime on SnD/Rupture/FW PES_ThumbsUp

tame slate Mar 10, 2022, 3:14 PM

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peeposhy

austere oyster Mar 10, 2022, 3:15 PM

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Did you remove Crimson vial off your keyboard?

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