#daddydonut log analysis
mossy tree
ill start with gear
you did use Stiletto as conduit, did you check if PV beats it, if not might be worth checking
your gear shows no domination set and a lot of domination shards missing.
Is this equiping an alt or was this a boost run, as i don't think any reasonable guild would invite somone without domination gems into guardian mythic
viral edge
this is going to be my 'main' going into 9.2 so yes its gearing in alt through mythic with same guild i've cleared SoD with. I have 1 shard 😦
glad those are going away*
mossy tree
just to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that.
There is just a lot of power in the domination set bonus and gems that you miss out on what makes it very hard to perform on a competitive level
it won't matter for 9.2 as you did point out, the one thing that matters for 9.2 however is sylvanas dagger
so you might want to try to get hold of one
towards gameplay, your rupture uptime is rly low
viral edge
is it worth it during a shadow dance window to use a 5/6 point into rupture if its dropping?
mossy tree
slice and dice is kept up, thats rly good
you usually refresh rupture in advanced
e.g. if symbols is about to come up and rupture would not last for the duration you usually refresh it
viral edge
think that's my problem my timing between ensuring i can put a rupture in before starting a burst window, but also maintaining that i'm dancing as much as possible and keeping one with blades up
mossy tree
alright, lets look into the actual gameplay.
just to say 2 things straight up before explaining details
- you did pick venthyr, what has a lot stricter gameplay rules than kyrian.
- kyrian will be the better choice in single target for 9.2
You did some concepts correct but i am unsure if thats on accident or intentinally
viral edge
i've memorized the 'opener' from the wiki page included in the pins
flag before full points stuff, etc.
some may be unintentional too. so I won't know exactly until asked xD
mossy tree
the base concept reguardless of covenant is to use symbols on cooldown and align dance to it
as you did in the opener and for the 2nd symbols
but 3rd symbols was delayed by 13 seconds
but lets first just talk about how to handle dance and symbols
the idea basically is to stack cooldowns, you use symbols as much on cd as possible and then align cooldowns like shadow dance and shadow blades to it
viral edge
I think i delayed the symbols because i didn't have a dance up at the time. so i think that was bad ya?
mossy tree
yes, you basically always want to have one dance for your symbols
you will ofc have more than that due to the cdr, and this means you will use dance outside of symbols too
a rule of thumbs is to use dance during symbols or if about to cap on charges else
for dance specific, to talk about that you want to use it always with low combo points
you usually did but e.g. this is bad
the reason is that the main benefit of the cooldown is the use of shadow strike, and using a finisher first reduces the amount of shadow strike casts you can do
so basics:
- use symbols on cooldown
- align shadow dance to symbols or use it if about to cap
- always start dance with low cp
- align other cooldowns to symbols if possible to stack with shadow dance
with that we can basically jump into covenant abilities
following those, you wouldn't end up with sequences like this:
so with the knowlage that we use dance as a tool to access shadowstrike, we also know that a covenant ability needs to be a lot better than using shadowstrike to be worth using during shadow dance.
so this is not as good for example:
going into flag specific, it is the only covenant that breaks one of the basics i stated above
use symbols on cooldown
So flagallation basically gives you stacks and cdr when you use a finisher
this means, and you did this wrong troughout the entire log, want to make sure to always flag-finish
and you want to align flag with your cooldowns
shadow dance gives access to shadow strike what means more combo points and also more finisher resulting in higher stacks
similar with shadowblades and symbols of death provides a damage amp that goes well with the other things
to be clear, esp. when running stiletto its often the case that you will have shb way earlier or later ready than flag, you don't hold symbols for flag, you just fire it with your next symbols
so back to flag, you basically use flag-then follow up with a finisher and only after the finsher start to dance
dance after finisher because its more efficient to start dance on low cp
symbols is a bit more dynamic
the numerical best choice to align symbols is flag-finish-symbols
but flag-symbols-finish and symbols-flag-finish is similar in output, so you have a choice here
experienced players will also try to rotate dance so that you always have 2 dance charges for flag
Kyrian ability, in case you want to switch basically is a "on cd" use outside of dance
also one thing to mention about flag, more optional is that you can finish on 4 combo points during the stack building
its not better but more consistent, also preferably only when shadow blades is up
outside of that, there are only some other things to mention
e.g. maintainance spells like snd and rupture should be kept up if possible.
snd should be close to 100% uptime (you did that well)
rupture can be refreshed outside of dance or refreshed in preperation for your next symbols
preperation means that when symbols is about to come off cooldown that you can refresh rupture if it won't last for the entire duraiton of symbols
towards "use symbols on cooldown", with flag you can delay symbols up to 10 secs when flag comes up during that time
so e.g. symbols is up and flag comes up in 3 seconds -> you wait for flag to be up to align the cooldowns as mentioned
also because i see people often don't understand this concept
if flag is off cooldown, you don't use it before you have symbols ready to line it up with
so e.g. flag is ready but symbols cooldown is 20 seconds, you would wait for symbols to come up before using flag
towards traits, i did mention PV in the beginning.
It is one of the dominant 9.2 conduits and will likely be the play on all covenants
Pv basically would mean you will use a backstab between shadow dances to get rid of stacks
alright, i think this is already A lot of information, if you have questions left just ask, else i wish you good luck on your next raid kills 🙂
viral edge
Thanks so much @mossy tree sorry i couldn't talk back much was in a work call 😦
mossy tree
all fine, i left you a lot to read 🙂
viral edge
is kyrian the play for next raid? i thought everyone was going ventyr
mossy tree
#916284169057878037 has some sims for 9.2
viral edge
ty
mossy tree
but the tl;dr is that kyrian is quite a bit ahead, what makes it on pure st the better choice
for m+ you will stay on venthyr or for multi target fights
native pollen
Sorry for joining in, found this thread insanely helpful! @mossy tree was curious for clarification....so venthyr if my primary focus will be m+ next season? Again, sorry for intruding! Lots of great info here
mossy tree
Sorry for joining in, found this thread insanely helpful! <@194804407706189824> ...
the intent of those channels is to give the option to have a open conversation, nothing to be sorry about.
What is your question
native pollen
I'm making my sub rogue ONLY mythic + , just wanted to clarify venthyr will be the go to before i craft my 262 leggo