Hearthstone

[signal edge]

Even smuggler highrolls don't really interest me that much

There's more exciting stuff anyways

[shell thunder]

yeah thats fair

i like the deck

its a rogue deck that feels like a rogue deck, but also very different

the gizmos are fun for me

[signal edge]

@shell thunder what a skill intensive meta 🤡

[signal edge]

Didn't play during lunacy era

And setthek was never really bad

[shell thunder]

drekthar face hunteris the nuts btw

[signal edge]

I'm not on the hype train yet for that

But we don't need barak for draw because howl exists

Cutting rinos and warsongs tho

[shell thunder]

perfect 30

[signal edge]

Felmaw 🧐

[shell thunder]

its pyroblast

it was the best card in face hunter consistently

it had to get dropped because biscuit and ramming because bigger focuss of the deck

[signal edge]

Looks like a deck that folds to one board clear

[shell thunder]

but this cant play mount

i mean nah, u have howl and drekthar

its just face hunter from an expac ago

[signal edge]

Idk I'm just looking from a cwarior perspective

[shell thunder]

except it has drekthar, howl and biscuit

and trogg

[signal edge]

This is such a free win for me

[shell thunder]

i mean thats a good matchup

its removal + life gain vs a deck thats weak to removal + life gain

[signal edge]

Even with buff pala I've been beating this deck lmao

One samuro and it's over

Speaking of pala

Saidan is bugged

Bannerman gives +1/+1 instead of +2/+2

So he's cuttable until fixed

[shell thunder]

p sure he was the worst card in the deck anyway

[signal edge]

Nah he's cool

Saidan is the man

Don't diss him

But you know the real mvp?

Stormwind avenger

That card just snowballs so hard

And a 1/5 on 3 is hard to kill

Octobot vibes

[shell thunder]

yeah its nuts in that deck

u play noble mount on it and they leave

[signal edge]

Fun and interactive game

[shell thunder]

handlock actually high key giga shit

loses to all these meme druid

[signal edge]

Yeah

[shell thunder]

is this final showdown DH just a tournament deck

cuz glide

[signal edge]

What are you targeting with glide?

[shell thunder]

any deck that has cards in hand :p

burn shaman, cwarrior

kazakusan druid

glide is a really annoying card for a lot of decks

and even just the threat of glide makes your opponents play inefficiently

i was watching banter play it a few nights ago and his opponents were coining hero powers, and random garbage just to deny glide

[signal edge]

shaggro with so much cwarr around feels bad

[shell thunder]

Cwarrior is an omega buzzkil rn lol

[signal edge]

idk I think galv is cool

kazakusan one is much grindier

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/svgias/trump_explains_why_he_stopped_playing_hearthstone/

an actual explanation instead of rarran's speculative vid

[shell thunder]

Lol ye

It's just "I've played this game for 8 years what do you expect"

[signal edge]

https://youtu.be/bNWgzHJE5ps

This vid is really cringe now

[shell thunder]

Yep

Pretty respectable of Trump either way

Rather than making his quitting a big deal and "the issues with hs and why I quit!" type video

He just says 'yeah 8 years is a long time lol'

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/ZeddyHS/status/1492507106439622658

Zeddy (@ZeddyHS)

@RidiculousHat @ClarkHELLSCREAM Control players know what Control is, we've known for years and you guys can keep trying to redefine it, we're not going to accept it. It's ridiculous

Twitter · Feb 12, 2022, 2:33 PM

bro lmao

this twitter threat

LOL

Control players know what Control is, we've known for years and you guys can keep trying to redefine it, we're not going to accept it. It's ridiculous

[signal edge]

Deck archetypes nowadays are really wish wash anyways

Like

What is burn shaman?

It has different playstyles based on matchup

Too much focus on semantics

Slow decks exist, there's kazakusan warrior if ppl want grinder deck

Or kazakusan priest

[lucid violet]

Is this a bot? What are they saying lmao

[signal edge]

probably

http://offcurve.com/masterstour

@shell thunder look at the cwarrior bans

[signal edge]

Based game director

[shell thunder]

yeah

control warrior is really good rn

if people are bringing aggro lineups

Cwarrior is like a 90/10

all the aggro decks are like "make board turn 1-4 + burn"

and cwarrior counters that super hard

i watch theo and he plays ranchor in top 50 vs face hunters and they leave

[shell thunder]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpartialSlickArmadilloOSfrog-TXDxjNhfDA_gIWIm

[signal edge]

Cannot wait for bloom to rotate

[shell thunder]

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/FenoHS/status/1495867915610042371

Chris Tsako (@FenoHS)

“The 3 general types of Hearthstone players.

Aggro: Never complain cause they always beat bad decks. Only in extreme situations (Reno,Plague etc.)

Combo: Think they're einsteins and complain that aggro decks take no skill.

Control: Complain about literally everything always.“

Likes

130

Twitter · Feb 21, 2022, 9:07 PM

[signal edge]

I'm pretty sure control players complain about aggro no skill

Combo players are crackheads stuck in their own fantasy land

[signal edge]

Forgot they reverted charge nerf

[shell thunder]

[shell thunder]

[signal edge]

Guff taking over the meta

[queen wraith]

Gotta love when book of wonders gives you a turn 2 survival of the fittest in duels

[shell thunder]

insane

[signal edge]

When I play Warrior or Shaman, I always have to decide which one of the 7 removals in my hand is MOST EFFICIENT. I am very smart.
You see, not everyone appreciates the subtle brilliance that these decks require. Sure, all of my cards basically do the same thing. But choosing which one to play at any given time requires an intricate knowledge of the opponent’s deck. And sure I never have to worry about silly things like counter-pressuring, disrupting my opponent, setting up lethals, etc. But that’s just braindead aggro stuff. And then of course the real skill begins to shine through when we start talking about the control mirror. These games tend to take upwards of 20 minutes, so you know a lot of skill goes into them. We make tons and tons of decisions and they are all extremely meaningful. What card do I dump to avoid overdrawing? Can I afford to draw a card? Who drew their win condition first? All of these things require meticulous planning and understanding.
There may be parts of this that you, the reader, didn’t quite understand. That’s normal. You’re probably just not as smart as I am.

@shell thunder

[shell thunder]

high tier pasta

LMFAO

[signal edge]

Trump pimpin

[shell thunder]

Is trogg one of the best neutral aggro tools ever printed

[signal edge]

Debatable

Powerwise yes

But it can also be way too influential on aggro vs aggro matchups

The person with coin is gonna have a hard time to recover from a turn 1 trogg

[queen wraith]

I'd say it's pretty similar to vicious fledgling - really good on curve and strong at any early game point, but only snowballs if the opponent doesn't have an early answer to it

[signal edge]

Pov - you didn't draw mozaki

I feel like ppl are sleeping on galv warrior

Kazakusan is so polarising while galv gives you flexibility to win slower matchups

[shell thunder]

https://esports.gg/news/hearthstone/hearthstone-battlegrounds-cheating/

[signal edge]

Cwarr gameplay be like

[shell thunder]

quest rogue nerfs

😔

[signal edge]

Was hoping they would remove the twinspell from locusts

Not just entirely

But a welcome nerf nevertheless

[shell thunder]

it was the best one if eel

direct damage, plus a board

also so like

did they nerf quest rogue??

or did they like, change the text and keep the fucntionality

i have no idea what this text change means

[signal edge]

Nerf I think

[signal edge]

@shell thunder did you see theo's reno paladin?

been playing that deck and it's super fun

[shell thunder]

yeah dude

wild reno paladin looks insanelyf un

because wild is a format with no removal

just playing minions + cariel is actually game winning lol

[signal edge]

140 hp

[shell thunder]

yeah its kinda hilarious

[quaint aspen]

stop playing this cursed format

[shell thunder]

wild is fun rn low key

better than standard

theres actually a lot of random shit over there

p fun

[quaint aspen]

yeah I mean sure

but player skill / just number of people si actually insanely lower

wild prolly has x5 less players give or take

I finished like r800 and didnt get 11*, meanwhile in standard you get it at 2.5k give or take on eu

[shell thunder]

i mean ye

but like, its fun doe

[quaint aspen]

and playing dh, an actual deck class in the format

with 60% wr in legend

?? 😐

for me it was fun for like a week, two max

[signal edge]

I finished around diamond last month

Got 11 stars

[quaint aspen]

you have the mmr from before

[signal edge]

Ye probably

[quaint aspen]

I didnt play wild for 2 years prolly

[signal edge]

Wild is more fun than standard for me rn

Standard is a bit too stagnant and meta is polarising

Getting guffed over and over again ain't fun

[quaint aspen]

yeah happens almost every hs xpac

since theyre 4months apart theres almost always that 1month where the game is just insufferable

[signal edge]

Not the polarisation part

[shell thunder]

ye

[quaint aspen]

its just not always at the end of it

[shell thunder]

the meta is extra queue simulator

[signal edge]

Like I enjoyed end of stormwind

[shell thunder]

ye

i mean even pre miniset iliked a lot

[quaint aspen]

but yeah I havent played hs in 4 weeks pretty much

since lost ark came out LMAO

[signal edge]

I just want guff nuked right now

They can revert guff on rotation

With all the ramp gone

[quaint aspen]

my last combo warr game was exactly 30 days ago

[signal edge]

But I'm just sick of that cow

[quaint aspen]

then I played like 8 games of guff

this week

[shell thunder]

yeah idk just do like

"we are nerfing guff for now, we plan on reverting this post rotation"

[quaint aspen]

its so funny like werent people predicting this druid clown fiesta before nerfs

[signal edge]

Aggro decks are a thing but control warrior and fel dh makes you wanna delete those decks

Even if winrate is really good

Shadow priest vs cwarr

[quaint aspen]

but yeah I just copy pasted and played for card back, I guess kazakusan vs ctrl warr is good for druid?

they try to allin me on 8 and just concede 3 turns later

[signal edge]

Druid steamrolls cwarr

[quaint aspen]

but honestly im just playing by feel

[signal edge]

Druid can moonlight guidance for treasures

[quaint aspen]

then I mull for control priest because I forget shadow is a thing after not playing 4 weeks

and give it all back

[shell thunder]

idk if i said it in here but my first instinct to abuse kazakusan was to play it in glowfly

[quaint aspen]

[signal edge]

Control priest kinda dead

Shadow most popular deck

[quaint aspen]

good to hear

[signal edge]

I think you cut glowlfy tho

And better version is

Turbo ramp

I heard something about fel kazakus dh tho

Think luna, one of the GM's was gonna submit it to the GM tournament

Should be interesting

[shell thunder]

the meta in tournaments is 2 brings

you either bring mega control

like cwar

er

nvm

the 2 brings are mega aggro

like shadow, beast druid, face hunter etc

or the aggro counter lineups

so people are now playing dumb greedy decks

like fel quest kazakusan DH

which is not a real deck, but it fucking demolishes shit like druid, and cwarrior

same as the crazy mage lineups with like, cairne and dragonfire amulet or w.e its caled

[signal edge]

I think galv is more popular than kazakusan warrior in tourneys tho

[shell thunder]

it might be now ye

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/1501327424696451075

Hearthstone (@PlayHearthstone)

No Triples? https://t.co/n5XDbAP865

Likes

1182

Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 10:42 PM

[signal edge]

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/FenoHS/status/1502027194566160387

Chris Tsako (@FenoHS)

Thought about this clip today and it's honestly one of my favorite of all time 😂 @LorindaGames https://t.co/bBP5lH0Qiz

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 10, 2022, 9:02 PM

[signal edge]

Never change feno

[shell thunder]

new core soon

[signal edge]

Announcement tomorrow

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/1503460962124324873?t=4vImgmTKWnDrWOCWu1JLKQ&s=19

Hearthstone (@PlayHearthstone)

Adventurers, hold steady!

We’ll be sharing the details of the new Hearthstone expansion on March 17, instead of March 15 as previously announced. Thanks for your understanding, and we’ll see you then!

Likes

513

Twitter · Mar 14, 2022, 8:00 PM

https://twitter.com/Chakki_HS/status/1503461330509987840?t=YZB1A1P6t2yQTxBJMd7CvA&s=19

Keaton Gill (@Chakki_HS)

@FenoHS @BabyBearHS https://t.co/IGGBJGnwY8

Twitter · Mar 14, 2022, 8:01 PM

[signal edge]

Hopefully priest gets a good core set

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/1504148082522533900

Hearthstone (@PlayHearthstone)

It's almost time to set sail, adventurers! 🧭 https://t.co/4CZKM1WRGD

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 16, 2022, 5:30 PM

[queen wraith]

looks like another old god inclusive expac, at least w/ the n'zoth fish

[signal edge]

Naz jatar expansion?

[signal edge]

Looks convincing

[signal edge]

https://youtu.be/PfmUdCsr1nw

This trailer slaps

That's a good pre-order skin as well

[shell thunder]

everybody gets this card

Dredge is a keyword that looks at the bottom 3 cards, and puts it on top

[signal edge]

Colossal is the keyword I like

[shell thunder]

Colossal is spawn extra minions that synergizes with the main card

[shell thunder]

\

LOL

neutral secret passage

[signal edge]

Hell yeah

[queen wraith]

now you won't have to worry when jace/kurt are in the bottom

[shell thunder]

[thick crater]

three nickels

[signal edge]

Gigafin

Love the name

[lucid violet]

but its just the same amount of cards as your hand right

cant dump your hand, play it and have 4 cards again

[signal edge]

One important detail about colossus

The extra minion spawns regardless

As in

It appears from play, summon or ressurection of the main body

[shell thunder]

Ah shit yeah true

Not passage

[shell thunder]

oh awesome more pirate warrior

amazing

[shell thunder]

im praying rogue gets some nuts cards

i really want to play the vilespine

[signal edge]

seems like a slower version of pwarr tho

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/GallonHS/status/1505175869815459844

Gallon (@GallonHS)

Also clarification on Nellie, the great thresher — Each member of the crew is an individual! That means you can only get unique Pirates on the crew. So Mr Smite, Harbor Scamp, and Cargo Guard is possible, but Mr Smite, Mr Smite, Mr Smite is not.

Likes

137

Twitter · Mar 19, 2022, 1:34 PM

[quaint aspen]

does he drop folly

[shell thunder]

[signal edge]

I'm down for mech mage

[lucid violet]

Goblin Blast Mage!

[signal edge]

[quaint aspen]

excuse me

[signal edge]

Tasmani and the 2/3 spell generator do rotate tbf

[queen wraith]

thank goodness for that

[lucid violet]

This card is insane

[signal edge]

Priest draw

[lucid violet]

I wonder when hs will introduce Hand traps

[signal edge]

What are hand traps?

[lucid violet]

From yu-gi-oh, cards in your Hand you can discard on your opponents turn to negate a card, attack, etc

[quaint aspen]

probably never 😄

since the game doesnt have interaction on opponents turns

[lucid violet]

Yea true

They would probably be terrible for the game too

[signal edge]

Yeah I wouldn't like that

Hs is fun because you get to do powerful stuff without disruption

[lucid violet]

Only thing they could do is like a 3 mana 3/4 ooze "when your opponent equips a weapon, destroy it and discard this card" where you dont have to manually activate it

But its definitely unfun

[lucid violet]

Think its necessary in yugioh cuz you would get otk'd on turn 1 most games if you werent able to negate their key combo/draw pieces

[shell thunder]

paladin and shaman colossal minions

[signal edge]

Priest doing priest things

[lucid violet]

WTF

doesnt this just disable so many decks from doing anything?

[signal edge]

I wonder if it affects the graveyard

[lucid violet]

there isnt really a graveyard so i would assume that it doesnt. Minions dont "exist" in a "graveyard". So I'd assume a card that summons a minion that died this turn would be uneffected

you can also see this by the fact that you can have 1 wisp die but revive it 30 times. The "graveyard" is just a memory of every minion that died

but this would kill every minion card in the deck, right?

Oh the "wherever they are" only refers to the copies

I assumed this Was just 9 mana "both players have no minions anymore"

[signal edge]

It works like flik

Kills board, hand, deck

[lucid violet]

yea i thought "destroy all minons (wherever they are)"

[queen wraith]

I mean, that's basically what secrets are (esp things like counter spell)

[lucid violet]

no because you have to play secrets first, your opponent can see and expect them and interact with them

secrets are trap cards, not hand traps

[queen wraith]

oh so you mean more like instants in mtg or something like that

[lucid violet]

idk mtg. you activate them straight from your hand on your opponents turn, no setup or anything required. So on your opponents turn 1 you could already use it before you even had a turn

[signal edge]

Geyser looks really nutty ngl

[queen wraith]

yea basically an instant is a spell/card that can be played at any point in the game

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/ahirunHS/status/1506437222178123778

ahirun🐥 (@ahirunHS)

英語版

Twitter · Mar 23, 2022, 1:06 AM

bro

LMFAO

THIS IS SO GOOD

[thick crater]

this will work with Shadowstep right?

[shell thunder]

yer

[queen wraith]

how many pirates does rogue have post rotation?

[signal edge]

Depends if they make changes to core

Or include even more pirates in this set

[thick crater]

18 health for 6 mana

[shell thunder]

Worst card of the set?

[signal edge]

Battlegrounds stealing the good skins

[signal edge]

Turn 1 pelican

Turn 2 biscuit

[thick crater]

https://youtu.be/ANVaq37ozJw

KotFT

[signal edge]

Yeah that's a control player

[shell thunder]

this is fucked up

how can u hate either of these

[signal edge]

Well he likes dr boom

Now this is a pog card

[shell thunder]

curve into the lifetap murlock

[shell thunder]

god damn it man

this is the slowest rollout on the planet

[signal edge]

Regardless of effect this card art looks sick

[shell thunder]

more excited for this thing lol

[signal edge]

I like that

[shell thunder]

glugg seems alright

so many cards i look at and im just like "oh so it loses to snowfall"

[signal edge]

The other shaman legendary is much more interesting tho

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/reqvamhs/status/1508566953429979151

Franjo Blažević (@reqvamhs)

I love Hearthstone

Likes

228

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 28, 2022, 10:09 PM

[signal edge]

Switch to spell

[queen wraith]

I don't think there's a fast enough apm possible to pull that off with all of the animations

[lucid violet]

wow new card revealed

[shell thunder]

Nothing until the 7th

[signal edge]

Isn't dump on 5th?

[lucid violet]

remember when i deleted the hearthsone thread last april fools haha that was a funny joke wasnt it

[signal edge]

very

[queen wraith]

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23765271/22-6-1-1-1-1-patch-notes

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/ZachODR/status/1510273140995330055?t=u0RQw3lKHq_8dlriDTk1Fg&s=19

O. Zach (@ZachODR)

Update: Card Preview and Theorycrafting Article are BACK ON. Blizzard has provided the support & info I need to be able to produce the content at a realistic time window, so massive thanks to them. Expect the usual from vS next week and don't miss out on April 5th. Holy cow.

Likes

263

Twitter · Apr 2, 2022, 3:09 PM

Owl lock creator God ready to make perfect 30s

[thick crater]

Reno in core set?

[signal edge]

Cor set reveal today?

[shell thunder]

[signal edge]

https://twitter.com/angelinache/status/1511068958606123008?s=21&t=Acdfxg6KEzGwhuirbkPd2w

Angelina Chernyak (@AngelinaChe)

My Tyrande and Sylvanas for the @PlayHearthstone avialable in the Tavern Pass
Hope you will like them💙💛
#illustration #hearthstone #sunkencity #Illustrator

Likes

1078

Retweets

228

Twitter · Apr 4, 2022, 7:51 PM

Those are some incredible skins

[shell thunder]

1 hour

[shell thunder]

RENO IS CORE

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23784369

[quaint aspen]

ancient of lore omegalul

[queen wraith]

oh they're really going to push burgle rogue now huh

there's actually nothing bad that's going away in the core set, that's pretty nice

[shell thunder]

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23784368

[signal edge]

Oh no

Kael thas in standard unnerfed

[shell thunder]

its in wild

?

[signal edge]

This set tho 😳

[signal edge]

No it's in standard

Until 12th

[quaint aspen]

oh lol

[signal edge]

So you gonna get a few days of unnerfed cards in standard

[shell thunder]

LOL

4 MANA ILG THEN

[signal edge]

I'm really happy how they went with core tho

[shell thunder]

turn 4 otks again

[signal edge]

Except Reno

Fuck reno

Should've been a dead card

Never back in standard

[quaint aspen]

format warping cards poggers

:S

[signal edge]

Does this mean classes now have 2 legendaries in core?

Because priest got murozond and Lyra

[shell thunder]

wowza

[shell thunder]

fun cards

[quaint aspen]

wow that pirate is not even a warrior card, so unlucky

[signal edge]

Tempo rogue let's go

With hookstusk as finisher

[shell thunder]

this card always gets nerfed

LOL

[signal edge]

Horde with the big L

[shell thunder]

WAIT

1 MANA EXECUTE IS CORE?????????????

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

NO WAY DUDE

WARRIOR ABOUT TO GET NERFED SO FAST

[signal edge]

It is yeah

[shell thunder]

equality concecrate too

board meta btw

[signal edge]

That priest core

Is cracked

[quaint aspen]

they lose alot of stuff dont they, it almost has to be?

[signal edge]

Operative in kazakusan priest

[quaint aspen]

but yeah freaking operative

hated that card I played alot of arena back then

[signal edge]

I'm happy to see ragnaros ajd lightlord again

[shell thunder]

feast of souls 1 mana

[signal edge]

Core isn't loading for me

[shell thunder]

WAIT

THEY BUFFED NOURISH??

BRUH

theres no way bro

THE BUFFS ARE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW

HAHAHAHAH

[quaint aspen]

yeah same thing last year

[signal edge]

Wait did they already give core ingame?

[signal edge]

I was hoping they would take a loot at mage secrets in core tho

mirror image is a tragic card

diamon loatheb is now a card

[quaint aspen]

👀

loatheb top3 cards for me alltime

[signal edge]

some ppl say he got diamond because naxx classic might come out

bg skin which I want in constructed

[shell thunder]

uh

uh

[quaint aspen]

not a dragon, unplayable

[signal edge]

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/all-changes-to-the-hearthstone-core-set-2022-57-cards-rotate-out-72-cards-rotate-in/

Full core list

EXPLOSIVE RUNES IS BACK!

[quaint aspen]

[signal edge]

mirror entity gone

thank god

[signal edge]

The animation

[queen wraith]

No swordfish for that list?

[shell thunder]

not on the website

28/30

[queen wraith]

Gotcha

[signal edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/tx42es/worgen_greaser_buff_announced_in_april_fools_day/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[shell thunder]

man this set is super powered

its gonna barely feel like a 4 set meta

[lucid violet]

whats buffed?

oh it was nerfed to 6 at some point right

[signal edge]

During koft

[lucid violet]

kinda funny, i think old combo druid didnt even run nourish at 5 mana despite the lower power level

i guess ancient of lore just took its place

oh big reason to why its good now is also cards that make it trigger both choose one effects right

[shell thunder]

Well also the card pool is just way stronger so ramping has much bigger payoff

[shell thunder]

OKAY THIS

this is the final version of token shaman

[shell thunder]

these are the two decks im excited to try

[shell thunder]

giga copium fel DH

stheno, glaiveshark, predation, multistrike, and meta is a lot of added damage

[signal edge]

Beautiful

[shell thunder]

aggro feels gigashit overall tbh

struggling to make good aggro

just like naga face hunter

or just aggro pile drekthar decks

taunt druid as well

[signal edge]

I think midrange might be good this xpac

[shell thunder]

i hope this cope DH is actually good

im addicted to jace kurtris

[signal edge]

Addicted to them being bottom 3 consistently

[shell thunder]

True

[shell thunder]

feno talking with other streamers about the meta

timestamp like 6:45 if u wanna watch vod

[queen wraith]

is the win-con just play a bunch of giants?

[shell thunder]

board in a box yeah

hdra, giants

[signal edge]

True

[signal edge]

Kanyes colossal ego would fit the expansion theme

[shell thunder]

LOLL

real

[lucid violet]

kinda looks like a reference to The Pharcyde

[signal edge]

Face hunter right now is nutty

With scavengers ingenuity

[signal edge]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/hearthstone/t/patch-2301-patch-notes/84606

[shell thunder]

Yep

Expected

[queen wraith]

Good, that would've been a really toxic deck

[shell thunder]

i got super lucky on my packs

[signal edge]

I got a golden alar

[shell thunder]

wait retrog

are u VS gold

why did zacho build my exact fel DH idea

LOOL

am i a genius deck builder low key

pretty similar

[signal edge]

Nope

Vs theorycrafting article comes out today I think

[shell thunder]

also boneglaive + the sunken card is actually probably good

boneglaive pushes 10

and the sunken card pushes another 5

thats a lot of burn for DRDH

[signal edge]

Just give new expansion already

Gonna be a great time killer until wow expansion announcement

[shell thunder]

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/decks/coilskar-fel-demon-hunter/

this is the final fel DH he ended up making

look at this beast dude

fucking mailbox dancer, to proc the coilskar

and with bran its an OTK

[signal edge]

I'm definitely trying token dh with sea giants and the buffed draw engine

[signal edge]

@shell thunder fel dh feels really good rn

Since there's so much aggro on Ladder

And unnerfed ilgynoth makes is easier to otk slower decks

[shell thunder]

Ye I'm just not crafting ilg lol

[signal edge]

Disenchanting ilg

[signal edge]

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[thick crater]

I just did so much clicking in the recently completed achievement tab

nice feature though

[shell thunder]

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/30-decks-to-try-out-on-day-1-of-voyage-to-the-sunken-city/

[shell thunder]

[signal edge]

I'm pretty excited to try thief rogue again

Been a while

[signal edge]

expansion out!

[thick crater]

can't buy packs

[signal edge]

same

[shell thunder]

naga mage is a fucking blast

[signal edge]

Gonna wair until I can buy packs with gold

I have 6 decks setup

[shell thunder]

just had 4 games where my spitelash siren was bottom 3

😳

[signal edge]

yeah naga mage is really fun

turn 4 teacher into turn 5 spitelash

[shell thunder]

https://hsreplay.net/replay/rf4ELP2reWnmenJFN5bp73

dude

look at these popoff turns

[queen wraith]

Just dredge

[shell thunder]

not a fan of how these decks get names

[signal edge]

[shell thunder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/u23ntb/trump_encounters_a_combo/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Lol

[signal edge]

control pala punishing control warr

[shell thunder]

okay i made perfect rogue

[signal edge]

Hooktusk feels too slow

[shell thunder]

kaz warrior is a deck

its also pretty good vs druid

[shell thunder]

https://twitter.com/jdeg86126366/status/1514699642910425092 my fel dh list got a tweet

jdeg (@jdeg86126366)

Best deck I've played all expansion. Just dodge druids and you're gucci. Jace does an insane amount of damage after rotation.

AAECAaarBASN9wPIgASHiwT7vwQNwvEDifcDivcDjPcDmfkDg58Etp8EtKAEjrAE77EE8bEEhLIEmLoEAA==

Twitter · Apr 14, 2022, 8:18 PM

i also optimized pirate rogue a bunch

[signal edge]

Yeah druid is just pain

[signal edge]

Well I wasn't wrong

[shell thunder]

nourish to 5 is just fucking insane

[signal edge]

I like nourish at 5

Nerf kazakusan and you should see a significant meta change

[quaint aspen]

[signal edge]

https://twitter.com/GallonHS/status/1517548417462857728

Gallon (@GallonHS)

Hey everyone, have an update for y’all regarding balance changes.  4/26 (This upcoming Tuesday) changes to both standard and wild will go live. 1/9

Twitter · Apr 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

[shell thunder]

yoo

lets go

[quaint aspen]

is this the 3rd time I disenchant warr quest

[shell thunder]

[shell thunder]

😬

[signal edge]

Dh finally good

[shell thunder]

warlock priest sub 40%

LOL

rogue 42%

[thick crater]

I'm more flabbergasted by the Mage's 47.5%

[signal edge]

Mage is doing fine

[lucid violet]

mage and warlock without PI

[signal edge]

https://twitter.com/MeatiHS/status/1514262175891734528

Tom Wayland (@MeatiHS)

Naga Mage is such a great deck for the game

Person playing it has fun, cos they get to play a lot of cards

And person playing against it also has fun, cos they always win

Likes

467

Twitter · Apr 13, 2022, 3:20 PM

[undone furnace]

@signal edge didnt really hit the target with switcheroo nerf

[signal edge]

I feel like it being a pre-emptive nerf for future standard balancing is good

[undone furnace]

Like what was the point of it ? The card is only relevant in boar priest and they dont use it to swap stats, they use it to draw

[signal edge]

swithceroo also created non-games with deathwing

in standard

since you switcherood twin fin

[undone furnace]

And that is a meme deck to begin with

Dont draw switcheroo, useless deck

[signal edge]

fun fact: it was rising up in winrate at high legend

[undone furnace]

And even then there are plenty of answers in HS

[signal edge]

albeit still in the negative winrate

I don't think switcheroo was a massive outlier in terms of power

it's more about the gameplay experience

sometimes you get rolled over by a turn 3 24/24 rush

othertimes the prirest concede turn 1 because they drew deathwing

[undone furnace]

I dont think u should nerf a card bcs its being used as a meme in 1 deck making u sometimes lose turn 3

[shell thunder]

it wasnt a "meme deck"

it was literally the highest winrate priest deck

[undone furnace]

Yeah with very low playrate

[shell thunder]

and it was the most non game deck hearthstone has ever seen

[undone furnace]

And priest winrates being awful to start with

[signal edge]

yeah but priest sucking in general shouldn't hold the devs down from nerfing switcheroo

switch is still an excellent draw engine

[undone furnace]

Nerfing a class that has been the worst class in HS for past 2 years in general is stupid imo.

[shell thunder]

thats literally just wrong

its been tier 1 for the past 2 expansions

[undone furnace]

Had sooooome moments to shine with shadow priest for a while

[signal edge]

priest has been more than fine

[undone furnace]

It was not tier 1 last expansion

[signal edge]

shadow priest was

[undone furnace]

Last expansion was dominated by thief rogue

No that was before that

[signal edge]

they nerfed thief rogue

and shadow became tier 1

[undone furnace]

And then we got kazakusan

[signal edge]

and shadow priest hard countered kazakusan druid

also demolished face hunter

[undone furnace]

And was instant lose to fel DH which was the most popular deck at the end of the patch

[shell thunder]

it wasnt

druid was

[signal edge]

fel dh was unpopular because ramp druid was a hopeless matchup

[undone furnace]

Quest fel DH had an unfavorable but not as "instant lose" as it was matchup

[shell thunder]

quest fel dh was a tournament deck

not a ladder deck

[undone furnace]

I did just fine with it in the rank 200 ish of legend. Cannot judge lower ranks sure but u should balance a game around the best players, not the worst, thats my opinion on balance in general imo

[signal edge]

nah they should also nerf if something is heavily hindering the player experience

like

I think quest warrior was garbage

but they nerfed it anyways

[undone furnace]

It really was

And i disagree with it

I can see why they'd do it

I just dont agree u should

Its litteraly just "get good". Not pirate warriors fault they gonna blame if on "yeah i drew bad"

[signal edge]

idk, I was initially thinking "this deck has a clear way to be beaten and ppl consistently losing to qwarr just shows their stubborness to learn to play better

and obviously

[undone furnace]

Ya and they should not be rewarded for just being bad imo

Same as silver players in leagye using "yeah im silver cuz bad teammates" as an excuse

[signal edge]

many players complained about dumb irrelevant stuff like juggernaut "infinite value", "smite gorehowl" when most games were decided befor ejugg dropped anyways

[undone furnace]

I think gorehowl rng is stupid, ill agree with that there shouldnt be a weapon THAT much better than anything else u can get. But just remove gorehowl from the pool

[signal edge]

but at the same time low rank players might not give a fuck about climbing high and if they just wanna goof around, quest warrior was a ruthless punisher

[undone furnace]

And they balance around people playing for fun and want to keep em around

Which i can understand, its a business in the end

[signal edge]

at the end of the day, qwarrior nerfs didn't affect high legend players

[shell thunder]

i think u massively dont understand how different the play experience is for players in ranks like silver

[signal edge]

I wasn't facing qwarriors anyways

[shell thunder]

u cant balance a game around legend players

or masters players

or the 0.1% highest rank plyers

[undone furnace]

Well for league it does have an influence tbh. They nerf shit like master yi bcs it dominates shit elo, means that higher end players will never ever get to see that champion

[shell thunder]

i mean yeah

u have a playerbase that MOSTLY resides in low ranks

why would u balance the game only around the 0.1%

[undone furnace]

Pirate warrior might be something a high player enjoyed, cant play it anymore cuz it was shit to begin with and got nerfed bcs people are bad

[shell thunder]

yes

people are bad

u have to balance the game around them

[signal edge]

you won't bruteforce ppl into getting good

[undone furnace]

Because the top 0,1% apparently think pirate warriors is shit. If u think its so broken go figure out why good players say its shit

[signal edge]

even if you're right that qwarr is predictable

[undone furnace]

And i think if ur a casual and dont care about being good then u shouldnt complain about balance changes in the first place

[shell thunder]

??

LMFAO

[signal edge]

problem is

qwarrior was way too efficient at punishing casuals for building dumb decks

obviously

[shell thunder]

^^

[signal edge]

meta decks will always punish

like OG face hunter

but qwarr was doing it in levels out of proportion

[undone furnace]

Ur a casual, u log in 3 times a week, why would u balance a game around some1 who dosnt understand the game over people that do know what they are talking about

[shell thunder]

because thats literally

literally

the majority of the player base

[undone furnace]

In the end its about money yeah

[shell thunder]

its not about money

its about making a game enjoyable for people

[signal edge]

enjoyable game - more money

[shell thunder]

queuing up into 50% pirate warrior that literally curb stomps you while you arent playing well, or playing great decks, isnt fun

[undone furnace]

I mean now u queue into 50% aggro DH, there is always a deck thats gonna shit on u most of the time

[shell thunder]

ur missing the point

pirate warrior is an easy to play deck, that has "infinite value" which is hard for most people to build decks to beast

[undone furnace]

But the warrior is litteraly out of cards when he gets the infite value

[signal edge]

eh, nellie and the new amalgham help you bounce back a lot

[undone furnace]

Okay i havnt seen much pirate warrior to begin with, it got nerfed again

But previous expansion nerf it ran out of steam

Incredibly fast

[shell thunder]

that doesnt matter lol

[signal edge]

I was reviewing a lot of replays at the time for low ranked/ new players to help them figure out the qwarrior matchup

you know why they lost so much?

[undone furnace]

Using board clears to soon prob

Gotta clear that 2/1

[signal edge]

they didn't really develop a plan on how to deal with the early onslaught so the initial minions got some hefty face damage

which means they put themselves into a position of having low hp

in the mercy of jugg rng

[undone furnace]

Idk pirate warrior has 1 good card and its that 3/3 that shoots

[signal edge]

I agree that around the time jugg dropped, warrior ran out of steam and started to rely on jugg highroll

and if you managed the early board well

the jugg effect was reduntant

with the exception of gorehowl smite

[undone furnace]

And imo, big problem of hs balance is lack of buffs

[signal edge]

or tripple bulwark vs an aggro deck

[undone furnace]

They surprised with buffing that big mage ping stuff for a while last expansion

Other than that buffs are mostly non excistent

[signal edge]

not sure if buffs would help this set particularly tbh

imo

big issue with this set is the heavy emphasis on tribal decks

[undone furnace]

Having classes at like 38% winrate is a problem

[signal edge]

which leads to very one dimensional deckbuilding and gameplay

rogue only got pirates

[undone furnace]

Which are terrible

[signal edge]

and it's a super boring class now

like pirate rogue is doing ok in terms of winrate

but man the class is so sleeper compared to year of the gryphon

[undone furnace]

Its just smorc pirate that is okay because smorc can work against anything

Trying to do some hooktusk stuff is useless

The card is way to slow

[signal edge]

paladin also suffered from the heavy mech emphasis

[undone furnace]

Isnt paladin control kinda nutty rn ?

[signal edge]

imagine printing kotori lightblade

and not having cheap buffs that are holy school

yeah control is doing fine

but buff paladin needs just a bit of support to be nice

[undone furnace]

I dont play a lot of HS cuz i think the expansion sucks but from i saw on streams its quite good

[signal edge]

If you make these 2 buffs holy then some midrange pala will be a viable deck

but the heavy emphasis on mechs left the class pretty shallow imo

don;t get me wrong

I'm glad control pala is a deck

but i'd like to see a bit more diversity

[undone furnace]

Id rather be paladin than be priest where they change the design philosophy every expansion

[signal edge]

pala also went through design philosophy changes for at least one year

[undone furnace]

They gave deathrattle support with xyrella and shit. Now they go with some miracle priest stuff

[signal edge]

where every expansion pala got new archetypes and none stuck

I think that was year of the dragon specifically

[undone furnace]

Other than shadow priest i littersly cant remember when any sort of control priest was good

[signal edge]

barrens control priest

witchwood control priest

[undone furnace]

Think i skipped barrens

[signal edge]

razakus priest

[undone furnace]

Wait let me check cards on witchwood, cuz i did play that and do not remember priest being good st all

Yeah razakus priest is the one i remember being the most recent one, and thats years ago now

[signal edge]

witchwood control priest used shadowreaper into mind blasts as big damage bursts

razakus rotated so you didn;t have the absurd burst of damage

but the deck was so well rounded that with the correct play you could have a game vs all decks

idk what you would clasify big priest as

but that was also a deck

[undone furnace]

Ya but thats is even older than razakus i believe

With barnes

[signal edge]

I think year of the dragon was a more midrange priest era

[undone furnace]

I remember witchwood only for the mechathun bullshit, atleast when i look at cards i see coffin crasher and shit being used for mechathun

[signal edge]

because of high priest amet

and good health buff cards

[undone furnace]

Oh right there was a small high hp minion meta

With the 2 mana 2/6 deal 3 dmg to itseld

And stuff and u heal it up

[signal edge]

but yeah most recent control priest was barrens and it was a meta tyrant

[undone furnace]

I didnt play barrens so guess i missed that

[signal edge]

it created a very interesting statistical phenomenon

where ppl would concede to priest turn 1, even if the matchup was 50/50 simply because facing control priest was not fun

[undone furnace]

Facing priest in general is considered not fun

I like playing priest myself, i do not enjoy playing against it most of the time

[signal edge]

Idc maybe I have a high tolerance, but only deck that ever got me boiling to face was big priest

especially iwth barnes on turn 4

rest of the priest decks I didn't really care

[undone furnace]

Nah casino mage during galakrond i believe got to me

Not because it was good

Bcs playing 50 cards

And then i pass with with 1 card

Just got so boring

[signal edge]

I quite enjoyed cyclone mage

[undone furnace]

It was fun to play

[signal edge]

You dropped 0 mana giants

And conjurers calling

[undone furnace]

But so fucking resident sleeper to play against

[signal edge]

Yeah but mage was not the first one to do that

Miracle rogue played out like that ages ago

[undone furnace]

Miracle rogue was less rng though

It wsdnt discover cards

Oh look he found an extra 20 dmg with cyclone, nice

[signal edge]

Cyclone consistently won through giants tho

I'm trying to remember the spell pool back then

But I don't think mage had cheap face damage

[undone furnace]

True but the always rope turn while seeing a million cards being played

[signal edge]

Outside of frostbolt

Oh yeah I get that part could be frustrating

Happens to some decks to this day tho

Like garrote rogue or miracle priest in alterac valley

[undone furnace]

Im convinced u can get to legend when ur shit by just roping every turn

I will concede if u rope every turn

[signal edge]

Also worth noting that miracle priest was solid tier 3 last expansion

[undone furnace]

It has been considered decent yeah, true. Not anymore with losing nazmani and palm reading

[signal edge]

Thing with priest is

I think this expansion gave a good core to start with

[undone furnace]

Idk its all to slow

[signal edge]

Even outside of miracle many cards are good for other archetypes

[undone furnace]

Like whirlpool

What are u supposed to do with that card

[signal edge]

Not play it

[undone furnace]

Well yeah

And i overestimated old cards tbh

[signal edge]

If miniset or next expansion gives priest a wincondition (or some deathrattle support) I think priest will be very solid

[undone furnace]

I remembered lightbomb to be a great card

Its okayyyyyy

[signal edge]

I do hope for some good neutral deathrattles

So dr rogue is also an archetype

[undone furnace]

Yes. A wincondition

Like priest has gotten a lot of miracle priest cards

Fun

But how to win

Elwynn boar apparently

[signal edge]

I'm not sure how refined dragon priest is tho

Might be pretty ok

[undone furnace]

Why play kazakusan priest if u can play it in druid

[signal edge]

Since meta is control + aggro dh for now

[undone furnace]

The 5 mana 5/6 used to be broken though

[signal edge]

Druid seems to have taken a backseat for now

[undone furnace]

Idk i tried queuing

Everyone

Is playing dh

Rng drekthar draw

[signal edge]

Yeah I think drek should get nerfed

[undone furnace]

Cant nerf him since he just got diamond card

U cant

How do u refund diamond cards

[signal edge]

7200 dust ez

[undone furnace]

Ill buy it for 7200 dust

Can use some dust on my NA/Asia accounts

[shell thunder]

they literally said they will nerf it

if its a problem

[undone furnace]

Refund might be a shitfest then

[signal edge]

Yes the refund part will probably be a shitfest

But they will nerf it regardless

If you're interested here's the full link

https://outof.cards/hearthstone/4692-dean-ayalas-hearthstone-qa-recap-42-classic-format-replacement-possibilities-new-events-in-the-future-more

[quaint aspen]

how is this possible on turn4? what am I missing

nvm im just dumb

thought dredge was top3 cards

[shell thunder]

[quaint aspen]

the year is 2022, a paladin just played consecration against me

[shell thunder]

ignore charge warrior here cuz awkward data collection

2 decks have a positive winrate

[signal edge]

Drek thar 💤

[shell thunder]

man these metas are so shit recently

roguestone, into good meta, into druidstone with no nerfs, into druidstone again, into now DH stone

just a not great time to be a standard fan

[signal edge]

Been enjoying mech pally in this meta

Pretty fun to beat warriors with a never ending supply of mechs

[shell thunder]

i wish i could have fun playing paladin

i just wanna jam pirate rogue man

deck is so bad

[signal edge]

It's also super boring

[shell thunder]

i like it

[signal edge]

Idk it feels really clunky

[shell thunder]

boat and swordfish are cool cards

[signal edge]

Very slow and hollow to the massive plays you could do with rogue decks in year of the gryphon

Like sure

The deck does 1-2 cool things

But rogue used to do 15 cool things

[shell thunder]

i mean i dont disagree

might be wild time lol

standard is so ass

[signal edge]

I want deathrattle rogue support

Yeah not sure, the decks are not clicking for me right now

I think aggro dh was fun until you started optimising heavily around drek

[shell thunder]

i feel the whole

2 postitive winrate decks thing

is part of that

the only cool deck is like, naga mage

[signal edge]

Going heavy on tribes was not a great decision lol

Murloc warlock feels like a bad deck

[shell thunder]

pirate rogue sucks

[signal edge]

Because you get your big stat buffs with a delay

[shell thunder]

murloc warlock sucks

[signal edge]

Chum bucket should buff board, not hand

Like sure you can make big murlocs in hand

[shell thunder]

bro if it buffed board itd be giga broken

[signal edge]

But then they become very easy to anticipate

Yeah it might make murloc warlock finally viable lol

[shell thunder]

might be evenlock wild time

or pirate rogue

[signal edge]

Pirate rogue is top tier I heard

[signal edge]

Ok

This is hilarious

[thick crater]

lady s'theno is pretty busted

feels like the deck is much worse without her

burn shaman being so low seems kinda funny

[signal edge]

@shell thunder here's how we revive rogue

We unnerf gnoll

[shell thunder]

Real shit dude

[signal edge]

I want thief rogue back so bad

[shell thunder]

Listen to my dream okay

Listen here me out

[signal edge]

Ok

[shell thunder]

Revert the cost of gnoll, keep the 3 attack

The 4/3 discover pirate, buff to 3 mana

Boom, thief pirate rogue

[signal edge]

I'm down with that

[shell thunder]

With hooktusk as the finisher to literally steal cards

[signal edge]

I don't think gnoll should be 4 attack but definitely one mana less

You could actually contest dh

And thx to gnolls even contest an early drek thar

[shell thunder]

Also nerf predictions, shatter to less damage
Drek to 1 minion
Multistrike to 2

[signal edge]

I don't think multi is a problem

If you gut drek it should be enough to open space for board decks

[shell thunder]

Nah dude multistrike is omega broken

I've been playing bad aggro decks this month u legit cannot win vs multistrike

[signal edge]

It's broken but

I would consider it a powerful cool card like secret passage

[shell thunder]

Pirate rogue and beast druid literally leave the game vs puffer/vanguard + multistrike on curve

It's too efficient at destroying boards for 1 mana