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shell thunder
The deck is like bolner shaman really
Sometimes u draw the cards in the wrong order
Sometimes u draw skull behind Jace double expendable
signal edge
Bolner is far more flexible tho
I almost never combo
Just chip the opponent down or do some massive snowfall turns
It's why I specifically love bolner shaman
It has so much flexibility in it's gameplans
shell thunder
It's not about combo it's more like
Sometimes in your snowfall guardian matchups you don't draw it
Or sometimes in your mutanus matchups you don't draw it
Like the deck can do it all it just sometimes does none of it
signal edge
Dropping a mutanus vs thief means you most likely won
Since you have the breathing space to play mut
shell thunder
Well if you hit Edwin or smite they can't otk you
Because you just sometimes die that way
Kinda locks out games sometimes
Where otherwise it'd be a loss
signal edge
I mean yeah but if you're playijg mutanus, you can already force really awkward turns where the rogue can't just comfortably blast you with edwin smite
shell thunder
Yeah
signal edge
Fel dh is less flexible in that regard
shell thunder
Either way point is bolner shaman and feldh both feel super draw order reliant, even if dh is more reliant on Jace skull and kurtris than bolner is on any of its individual cards
Less flexibility but I feel they both lose to not drawing the right answers for the matchup
signal edge
Also bricking skull to jace ๐
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Less flexibility but I feel they both lose to not drawing the right answers for ...
Isn't that every hs deck ever?
The way I see it
signal edge
Bolner shamans power is more spread out across many cards that can do powerful stuff
Fel dh concentrates it's power on 2 (maybe 3 if you slap in magtheridon) cards
shell thunder
Bolner just has a bunch of pieces it can use however it wants
signal edge
So fel dh can definitely create feels bad moments when you don't draw those cards
Jace or kurt being bottom 5 is a pretty common occurrence
shell thunder
What I've learned from playing a lot of alterac is that every HS deck just dead draws sometimes
And stormwind
I played a lot of taunt druid
And sometimes ur hand is arbor arbor compost and u lose
Sometimes ur hand as fel dh is unusable
signal edge
Double compost in starting hand ๐
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Gn
lucid violet
nice screenshot
signal edge
@shell thunder this midrange variant is sick af
Lost to rogue only once today
The tempo swings are hella insane
shell thunder
U talking the one I sent u?
shell thunder
the pathmaker?
signal edge
yeah
shell thunder
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Which current deathrattles would be sick with cube?
queen wraith
Hunter bear would be pretty strong
signal edge
Good point
shell thunder
have u seen this ugly disgusting rogue deck
instead of using shank to full draw
you just use edwin step
102-52
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shell thunder
real 
signal edge
https://twitter.com/mo_soooooo/status/1485246378582618112
Yeah I've been encountering so many weird build variations for rogue
Garrote with Edwin gnolls but no weapons
signal edge
The drek thar combo is one of the more fun ones I've seen recently
shell thunder
U mean galvenger?
signal edge
Yeah galv
queen wraith
what decks are you going to try out first?
queen wraith
do they beat ramp druid?
i have a feeling that's going to be the new oppressive deck since guff wasn't hit
shell thunder
taunt druid beats it
the deck loses to trogg unless it has lunar
and even still it probably loses
fel DH instant loses to ramp druid tho LOL
pray for DC
Guff druid is a good deck but it's for sure more beatable than rogue rogue
Handlock can tech for it, aggro beats ot
Aggro is way better without gnolls
Face hunter too
signal edge
Phone patch waiting room
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shell thunder
It's it time for shaggro
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Time to be a beast druid enjoyer again
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shell thunder
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queen wraith
survival of the fittest + cast off of contraband stash leads to some fun stuff
also parley stealing brukan lol
signal edge
Battlegrounds moment
signal edge
That deck is in my roulette
Think spriest needs more refining
But Najak is pretty baller
shell thunder
najak is insane
wanted to get peasants in
or just second thrive or smthing
over chaplain
queen wraith
how good is imprisoned in the deck?
shell thunder
the homunculus?
queen wraith
ye
queen wraith
yea - i guess it might be good vs aggro? but i feel like it's too slow
with the dormant
queen wraith
what's played wr though?
queen wraith
mmhmm
shell thunder
the deck seems pretty strong though
similar to current taunt druid, you just kill them before they play the game usually
serena is also good vs paladin but paladin isnt a class for me rn
its just a hard deck to optimize due to player count/data
tried to talk abt it in the vs discord just nobody is playing it so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
queen wraith
yea - if it already beats shaman and druid you're pretty setr
and just eat the L versus the 2 control priest players out there lol
shell thunder
slightly unfavored vs shaman
favoured vs druid
high key the fact that no human on the planet is playing shadow priest is a benefit
nobody is going to mulligan for aggro
like a fel DH isnt keeping immo vs a priest
but they would vs a shadowpriest
signal edge
Shadow priest support hopefully
I'm not a fan that we run that many neutrals
Especially mankrik
shell thunder
yeah
i mean a lot of the neutrals are alright
but yeah
mankrik, smite
i want better cards
signal edge
I did pretty well with spriest yesterday
Hero power Mage actually seems to be a harder matchup than shaman
shell thunder
that deck will continue to dwindle in population
signal edge
Yeah it's overplayed
signal edge
Yogg consistently pulling wins is ๐
You're winning all game and then lose to the wheel of fortune
I feel like ramp druid will remain very popular tho
signal edge
The concept of 2 old gods is tremendously fun
shell thunder
its not like "play yogg when losing and sometimes you win or lose"
its usually 10 mana "do shit to the board"
like its very very ranndom
but the random feels very similar a lot of the time
there is still the old yogg part where it just casts random spells
but eat, mc, rush minions are pretty similar
queen wraith
and then you have the pyro spam ๐
shell thunder
guff is tuff
signal edge
Beast druid seems to be doing pretty well for me
signal edge
Taunr druid with drek?
shell thunder
ye
signal edge
List?
shell thunder
Taunt
Class: Druid
Format: Standard
Year of the Gryphon
2x (1) Adorable Infestation
2x (1) Druid of the Reef
2x (1) Guardian Augmerchant
2x (1) Irondeep Trogg
2x (1) Peasant
2x (2) Annoy-o-Tron
2x (2) Bonechewer Brawler
2x (2) Clawfury Adept
2x (2) Composting
2x (2) Encumbered Pack Mule
1x (2) Mark of the Spikeshell
2x (2) Mark of the Wild
2x (2) Razormane Battleguard
2x (3) Oracle of Elune
1x (4) Drek'Thar
2x (5) Arbor Up
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nothing special really
pretty standard drekthar taunt druid
signal edge
Yeah seems pretty standard
I'm seeing more and more handlock
So will probably pass on playing this for now
shell thunder
fel DH seems like the actual answer
its winning vs handlock
beats every aggro deck
loses to ramp druid/pala
signal edge
That screenshot is pain
shell thunder
-1 viper -1 chaos leech 2 sigil from the vs list
fun deck, i like playing around skull
signal edge
Idk why, fel dh can be fun but also brings me the worst experiences
shell thunder
oh yeah
it reminds me of playing aggro druid and ur hand is composting composting arbor up
and u just lose the game on turn 2
LOL
shell thunder
is that even possible
signal edge
Actually face hunter looks sweet
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Don't think tavish gets into broken category
shell thunder
and then its just open season for fel dh
tavis is the highest drawn winrate card in big beast hunter
its also the highest drawn winrate card in face hunter
queen wraith
over commander?
signal edge
You get huffer every time
Quest and bolner shaman decks seem to be doing pretty great as well
shell thunder
every deck seems to be doing great
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Wonder how evolve is doing without rogue
shell thunder
jambre was winning with it but its jambre
i mean what is the answer to tiny toys rn
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Jambre wins with everything
shell thunder
like you play waepon > toys
queen wraith
scabbs 
queen wraith
yea i was joking
shell thunder
so u get to punch them in the head
im legit asking cuz like, it seems well positioned
signal edge
Soulrend
shell thunder
signal edge
Or warlock flinging 20 cards to clear board
queen wraith
how many 7 drops have <=5 health though?
queen wraith
garrote's probably favored, lock only wins with fast giants/aneth i think
signal edge
how many 7 drops have <=5 health though?
Many more than I expected actually
shell thunder
burn, quest, bolner, ele
shell thunder
lmao
signal edge
Although the idea from showstopper comes from wild I think
Where you see shaman way more now
Warlock can also altar of fire you
It's not an easy matchup for bolner
I'd say 50/50
shell thunder
why doesnt bolner play neophyte
shell thunder
does that beat warlock
signal edge
No
shell thunder
can shaman tech for handlock in any way
signal edge
Don't think so
queen wraith
not in any meaningful way i dont think
mutanus doesn't do enough, neither does neophyte
and if you tech too much you lose the core
shell thunder
Wait isn't libram good into warlock
queen wraith
it's slightly unfavored
shell thunder
for the warlock?
queen wraith
for pally
it's basically 50/50 though, 49.8% WR
give or take since i don't have hsreplay premium
also idk thief rogue still seems pretty good
lowish legend ranks but still
quaint aspen
ive seen streamers play it in top100
a decent amount and I havent really watched that many streams
quaint aspen
yeah just not in the mood to drop out of 11*
shell thunder
word
quaint aspen
rather play my t4 dh deck and still have 60% wr in legend
wild is so dumb
yesterday a pirate warr literally coined the 2-3 cannon into my 2-1
im a fucking dh
im like 80% positive people that are 2k legend in wild
wouldnt get legend in standard
when they cant even play pirate warr
shell thunder
quaint aspen
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
lucid violet
signal edge
lucid violet
people looking for patterns in everything 
quaint aspen
my dad works at blizz and confirmed its true
lucid violet
"ive done 3 dungeons with random trinket/item/talent and i noticed i do better with it" vibes
signal edge
So the wild meta is apparently fucked
Mechathun warlock and shaman dominating the meta
shell thunder
It's day 3
signal edge
This was predicted before the nerfs tho
shell thunder
People predicted thief Rogue nerfs wouldn't be enough
Yo I think u cuz scabbs from thief Rogue
It's the worst drawn/played winrate card next to maestra
๐
Also mozaki mage might be back
signal edge
People predicted thief Rogue nerfs wouldn't be enough
No one sane said that
Also this
๐
shell thunder
ppl continue to disrespect actual aggro decks in top legend
where is taunt druid
where is face hunter
queen wraith
It's the worst drawn/played winrate card next to maestra
Maestra's a weird thing though because it's power isn't in the drawn/played rate, but because it lowers gnoll cost. So while it's the worst card to draw, it's also the best card in the deck because it enables gnolls so much more (which is the reported best card)
shell thunder
well duh
maestra is patches
you cant cut maestra cuz it makes the deck work
but if scabbs has an similar drawn/played winrate to maestra
then maybe we cut scabbs
signal edge
where is face hunter
Face hunter is a thing wdym?
And taunt druid is fairly well represented
shell thunder
whats its playrate at 1k legend
signal edge
Uh gotta ask the person with hsr
@shell thunder
since 22.2
FH 13.5%, taunt druid 1.8%
last 1 day
FH 12.2%, taunt druid 2.4%
shell thunder
2% taunt druid is a crime
signal edge
I'm more a fan of beast druid tbh
shell thunder
i dont like beast druid, i feel like if you dont draaw composting you just dont do anything
like taunt druid just drops must answer threats
peasant, trogg, battleguard, elune
and if any stick you just get to run away with the game before it starts
beast druid is way more resilient to board clears but eh
i feel like so many games are just composting or bustr
shell thunder
Also is showstopper handlock the best deck on the planet
Showstopper is kinda nuts
signal edge
Mozaki and poison still exist
shell thunder
Well yeah
Still stand by my opinion that those decks should just not exist
And u shouldn't soft nerf them
Shud just be nerfing flow to 6 and mozaki to 8 and nerf shank to 5
Just remove these play patterns
quaint aspen
haha banterface playing against poison who just played baker
this is the world in 2022
signal edge
this is the world in 2022
Bro
Some ppl starting running scargil+ mutanus in wild
Just to get out mut faster
We're in very strange times
quaint aspen
signal edge
@shell thunder have you tried dr dh?
shell thunder
not yet
shell thunder
snowfall guardian is not a very fun card to be in hearthstone
shell thunder
dr dh is alright though
other than snowfall guardian its super annoying to do remove
that and flame
signal edge
At least he won against feno
shell thunder
LOL
fax
"oh theo hes always quest hunter"
i fixed shaggro btw
i added peasant
the best card in the game
he has the weight of atlas on his shoulders
signal edge
Shaggro is shadow priest or aggro shaman?
shell thunder
i really dont like thrive
i never want to spend 2 mana to draw a card in this deck
shell thunder
signal edge
Spammy arcanist says hello
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i'm not convinced on shadow priest
deck is too fragile right now
one little heal or board clear and you lose
quaint aspen
think its tier1 but might be high legend meta dependant and stuff
and could just die in a week
you just get the chip dmg in so fast
quaint aspen
@shell thunder reqvam playing mulverick in ramp druid this is NOT a drill
maybe you were right all along
signal edge
Nohands is playing mulverick in his beast druid
signal edge
shell thunder
<@!96834520417828864> reqvam playing mulverick in ramp druid this is NOT a drill
BRO
THE CARD IS THE NUTS!
its insane that ppl keep trying to cut slogger from quest shaman
its so good in the deck
iconic
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Agreed
shell thunder
best design change in hs
signal edge
@shell thunder serena seems to be performing well
signal edge
I'm not sure if we worry about mozaki honestly
Spriest and taunt druid might do the job of keeping the deck at bay
shell thunder
signal edge
But wth are those stats?
shell thunder
wdym
shell thunder
yes LOL
signal edge
Fairly small sample size tho
shell thunder
Good episode
Basically just say ramp druid loses to everything except fel dh
Taunt druid is criminally underplayed
Shadow priest is a good deck
Fel dh is sleeper op, the meta is playing 1 2 3 in face hunter taunt druid beast druid shadow priest, and fel dh matchups against those aren't close
Only really loses to ramp druid
Which happens to lose to everything lpl
signal edge
Burn shaman sleeper
shell thunder
Fuck landslide 
shell thunder
It beats my aggro decks so I hate it
signal edge
Ah of course
shell thunder
Me, playing 4 cult neophytes as shaggro priest so my opponent can't play the game is perfectly fine
When my opponent plays removal though, that's totally unfair
queen wraith
Me, playing 4 cult neophytes as shaggro priest so my opponent can't play the gam...
tax spriest
shell thunder
Literally
shell thunder
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Shaman is looking stacked
shell thunder
im really hoping in the rotation they kinda stop making these "full on OTK combo decks"
like im fine with boner shaman because its a control deck, that can also have an OTK finisher
shell thunder
but like, poison rogue, garrote rogue, mozaki mage, LSDH, owllock, fatigue lock, celestial druid
these last 2 patches im very tired of "decks that only goal is to OTK you and kinda just ignore what your doing"
shell thunder
shell thunder
feno: "alright lets play some druid, I just need to draw guff, overgrowth, my opponent needs to not play any cards for 4 turns, and i need some insane 8s, and then maybe we can win from there"
shell thunder
bro playing and watching this shaggro deck
with najak is so great
feno got najak'd and said "no way you run that card its so bad"
signal edge
im really hoping in the rotation they kinda stop making these "full on OTK combo...
I disagree
They should exist
Just either
A) slower
B) not reliant on one enabler like Incanter's flow
shell thunder
yeah maybe im just salted cuz whenever i play something slow it feeels bad
signal edge
Combo decks will always feel bad to play against
So
As long as they aren't mega prevalent
lucid violet
combo/otk decks were always my absolute favorite, but i think they were a lot different back in the day then now
there was a period where blizzard seemingly didnt like OTK and there were basically no combo decks for a year or two
lucid violet
can warrior still get like 100 armor?
signal edge
If you make an armor build sure, I sometimes get to 30-40 armor without trying
lucid violet
i unironically loved playing the freeze mage/warrior matchup when it was like 90/10 favored for warrior. had to completely shift your gameplan and when you actually won the matchup it felt so rewarding 
queen wraith
You liked rastakhan's?
signal edge
Yeah the meta was dope
The set itself was weak but
It was by far the best year of the raven meta
signal edge
Rr was a hunter meta
But it also had some very interesting nuances
Like odd-dragon warrior
shell thunder
ooo man
what a fucked up day of ladder
queued into like 10 different otk decks
actually brutal
mozaki into owllock into LSDH????
signal edge
Quest shaman was a smooth climb
shell thunder
Very good deck
shell thunder
man fel dh is still sick
lucid violet
signal edge
Looks like a very solid meta
shell thunder
that charge warrior
looks kinda nice
๐ณ
rokara
ranchor
faceless?
Rattlegore?
signal edge
I don't like that list
I've been refining my own which focuses on the otk and drops rattle
charge
Class: Warrior
Format: Standard
Year of the Gryphon
2x (1) Shield Slam
1x (2) Corsair Cache
2x (2) Frozen Buckler
2x (2) Harbor Scamp
2x (2) Man the Cannons
2x (2) Minefield
1x (2) Slam
2x (2) To the Front!
2x (3) Heavy Plate
1x (3) Lord Barov
2x (4) Outrider's Axe
2x (5) Cutting Class
2x (5) Faceless Manipulator
2x (5) Stonemaul Anchorman
1x (6) Battleground Battlemaster
1x (6) Captain Galvangar
1x (7) Rokara, the Valorous
2x (10) Shield Shatter
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@shell thunder the question is
Do we wanna run showstopper provoke for the taunts?
Can deal a 36 dmg combo while playing a showstopper
In one turn
signal edge
You can dislike attrition decks but
The games where you go down to the last resources are the best
shell thunder
Oh yeah they ate fun every so often
I agree lol
I used to love taunt druid mirrors in stormwind when both players had a good start it'd actually go to fatigue
lucid violet
Attrition decks are the highest skill expression. Love matchups like old control warrior vs control warrior where you gotta exactly think about which removal to use on what minion and its not just about tempo
shell thunder
well statistically the highest skill expression decks of all time are all combo decks :p
Garrote rogue, miracle priest, patron warrior
lucid violet
you can argue about that. the more turns a game takes and the more cards are used, the more personal skill matters. in the end combo decks just boil down to drawing through your deck by turn 9 and doing the combo
in control warrior you had to do tough decisions like letting a 5/5 smack you in the face for 4 turns in a row even though you have 3 different removal spells in your hand because you need all 3 of those removals for a different minion, trying to extract value out of brawl, never casting your shield blocks if the game will go to fatigue etc
shell thunder
I mean yeah, by the virtue of there being more total turns, you had more choices to make
lucid violet
warriors dropping their acolyte of pain in mirror matches 
shell thunder
But in terms of winrates increasing more the higher you get at ladder, all of of them thru history have been combo decks
lucid violet
and you just task master, whirlwind and death's bite deathrattle it to make them draw 3
shell thunder
because the smarter you get and are able to turn that kill timer -1 turn you are in a huge advantage
and understanding that isnt easy
garrote rogue ended games 1.5 turns earlier comparing from diamond to legend
even mozaki mage isnt like that
lucid violet
well warrior wasnt an attrition deck in every matchup either
vs hunter you just played control and if you draw well you either won or lost by turn 7
its just those matchups that had huge spell expression
shell thunder
well yeah
your playing attrition vs hunter lol
your goal is to remove and gain life
you are a deck of answers, and no threats
your only way to win is thru removal and attrition
lucid violet
attrition means slowly wearing down your opponents resources
vs hunter you just try to hold on for life by playing as inefficient as you could and staying alive
shell thunder
thats how you played every matchup
removal
some matchups went long, so you needed all of them
some you didnt
Msot decks have these choices every game though
"Is this a matchup I need to be greedy"
"or is tempo king"
But attrition decks don't have to play for tempo
lucid violet
winning by attrition means you managed to extract more value out of each of your resources
shell thunder
When people use the term attrition control decks, they mean purely reactive control decks
lucid violet
vs aggro decks you just try to execute their 3/2 for tempo
shell thunder
What your describing is what people call an attiriton control deck
lucid violet
i dont think there are attrition decks/matchups anymore
shell thunder
There aren't
Attrition is dead
Too many metas have been ruined by tier 1 "all answers no threats" control decks
Stormwind as an expansion was deisned with the intent to stop "not playing threats" being viable
lucid violet
but you didnt "play attrition" vs aggro decks lol
shell thunder
I mean it's just semantical either way
lucid violet
attrition doesnt mean you dont have threats though
lucid violet
like control warrior also had garrosh + deaths bite for a 14 damage finisher, alexstrasza etc
lucid violet
That's how people use the term when describing decks
who
shell thunder
Most people talking about HS rn
Boomsday control warrior would be an attrition control deck
lucid violet
attrition simply means you win by wearing down your opponent by getting more value out of your cards
shell thunder
As would barrens priest
Yes, and boomsday control warrior was a warrior deck who's main goal was to wear your opponent down by getting more value out of their cards
Either way, blizzard has said no more sitting there till fatigue, you have to actually kill your opponents eventually
lucid violet
i loved matches going to fatigue 
shell thunder
Paladin mirrors go to fatigue a lot
Beast druid mirrors go to fatigue
Sometimes
The last times that attrition control decks were really popular and tier 1 was barrens control priest
And it was the only time in HS history that it's been statistically significant enough to notice that turn 1 concedes against priest are more common than any other class
People really do not have fun VS these kinds of decks
signal edge
well statistically the highest skill expression decks of all time are all combo ...
And aggro decks
Like msog aggro shaman
Obviously shaman was broken during that era
But the skill ceiling for that deck was extremely high
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And realistically very few control decks had an actually high skill ceiling
Control priest during witchwood is an example of a high skill ceiling deck
Control warrior however...
Playing curvestone is the optimal way to play cwarr in classic
shell thunder
yeah, there needs to be a real critical mass of "not winning" for these kinds of decks to really excel
tempo is usually king
shell thunder
signal edge
Yeah I'm not buying the reputation argument
I genuinely think many players don't actually give a fuck about the lawsuit
shell thunder
i think the reality is hearthstone doesnt have a big standard streamer lineup that they used to, in reynad, forsen, amaz, trump, etc
and that card games arent popular
thats all i think the factors are personally
viewership has always gone down over the sets lifespan
its been a consistent complaint ive heard thru hearthstones history
signal edge
Well hs is the most popular because it feels the least like a card game to me
shell thunder
thats probably part of what makes it so popular
but its not like theres an alternative to HS
what are your optionns
gwent
MTG A
runeterra
yugioh
signal edge
Lor I heard is ok
shell thunder
and NONE of them are popular on twitch/viewership
its not like other games are killing HS, its just card games arent popular
card games are niche
signal edge
But I don't like talking about viewerships in general
I think they are too narrow in the context of how good a game is
Like
Hs is in a very very good state
Despite viewership
And hots even in maintenance mode manages to have excellent balance
As long as I enjoy a game the viewership doesn't really concern me
Not sure why other ppl try to look at views as a factor
shell thunder
caring about viewership is so dumb
should base the games quality on its actual merits
not because a website has a lot of viewers
i mean TF2 has 0 viewers
but is consistently one of the most played games on steam
signal edge
Oh tf2 is a game I should definitely visit lol
signal edge
Where is tf2 at?
shell thunder
somebody linked feno a video that was like
"WHY EVERYBODY IS LOVING YUGIOH AND ITLL BE THE NEW KING OF CARD GAMES"
LOL
and he was just like "i am not watching a video of somebody coping dude"
signal edge
Bait content creator
It's like
"wow is dead" videos
And then wow seems to have a steadily declining playerbase
(because patches are dragging out)
shell thunder
literally every single game on the planet is declining in viewerbase after 10 years
the fact that wow still has this large of a player base after 16 years is an insane feat
signal edge
Yeah
signal edge
There's few games who stay long term
shell thunder
it went from number 1 to number 8
signal edge
Like
shell thunder
LITERALLY DEAD GAME
shell thunder
very small minority of games retain any player base this long into its lifespan
hearthstone is 8 years old
id expect standard to decline
especially when all of the biggest streamers move on
which like, yeah
most people dont play the same game for 8 years
no matter how good it is
signal edge
I feel like content creators make a big deal out of declining views because they decided to make their career out of one game
Which imo is a trap to begin with
Just roll with one game for many years and excpect to constantly retain high views
shell thunder
shell thunder
yeah i saw getmeowth playing it
seems kinda sexy
he was trying to make an owl build
signal edge
Umbral owl?
shell thunder
ye
shell thunder
i think he cut like, mole and weblord for studies + something
beast druid is a cool deck
signal edge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjFUhydnBLU
Funny video
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Alright I'm seeing the power of this deck
shell thunder
shell thunder
Twitter
lucid violet
average game ends before turn 9? 
shell thunder
Barrens was rally slow
Barrens was barrens rogue, fatigue control priest, and then arena decks
lucid violet
i wonder how long the average game was from like classic to ungoro
feels like it was 15 or something
signal edge
@shell thunder didn't you mention that classic and stormwind had similar average of turns
shell thunder
I forget what the average turn of stormwind was, I think it was probably in the low 8s
lucid violet
i love trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR3QSriH3pU i watch these videos every couple months
shell thunder
watching this video now
i love watching him die from 10+ hp and saying "wtf why can you do this" LOL
seems like dying from a lot has always been a thing
signal edge
Yup
signal edge
Smuggler is definitely hype
signal edge
Isn't that a duels card?
shell thunder
it does the elysiana effect
delete deck
pick 5 treasures, shuffle in 2 of each pick
shell thunder
no banker so yeah
the ways to cheat this are guff, dark portal, and insight
dragon druid can be a deck
u have the taunt corrupt as a playable card
u have the new rush dragon thats playable
malygos as well, with ironbark/bogbeam etc
shell thunder
how terrible is something like this
lucid violet
where is reno jacksonsan
queen wraith
Does it trigger if there are no minions left?
shell thunder
ye
signal edge
Yeah think cora mentioned it's more about rotation in mind
shell thunder
I get that but like man
Seems like rastakhans rumble
Like alleycat is good
The hunter cards are all good
The paladin card seems alright
But like, nothing really flashy or powerful I feel
No reef
No guidance
Smite
Arbor up
signal edge
Yeah it's definitely not at the powerlevel of deadmines or the other minisets
Onyxia is pretty cool tho
queen wraith
Did you guys see the deck Dane is playing in wild?
Open the waygates parrot mage, it's hilarious
shell thunder
no lmao
signal edge
yeah you time warp constantly and smack face with parrots
shell thunder
Honestly not gonna look forward to playing against trogg and snowfall for the rest of the year
Also man quest hunter feels so bad rn
Died turn 6 to a mozaki mage, died instantly to a hope Varian cariel, died to a pirate warrior with provoke man the cannons
I want secrets out of this deck so bad
signal edge
Honestly not gonna look forward to playing against trogg and snowfall for the re...
They mentioned that they will focus on board metas next year
So you know what you should be ready to be angry at?
Samuro board swings 
shell thunder
Fucking samuro and snowfall
Both are always getting nerfed
I really hate cards that punish board development that hard
It's like when tamsin makes imps
Clear the board gain life make imps just ends it
shell thunder
Also true
signal edge
@shell thunder you should check out meati's streams
My favourite hs streamer right now
shell thunder
hes the guy that always posts bait decklists right
signal edge
yeah
but he recently started streaming and plays good decks
it's a very educational stream
shell thunder
i was hoping he was just gonna make poop decks like jambre
signal edge
he was playing vs poison rogue as cwarr
and decides to play viper and faceless it befor erogue's turn 8
to make his scabbs awkward because that would mean bouncing vipers back in hand
shell thunder
signal edge
and that forced the rogue to commit damage resources on those 2 vipers
- he explains all his plays, gamaeplans
pretty sure feno also recommended his streams
shell thunder
i will try him out sometime
signal edge
shell thunder
is miracle priest about to be the most insane shit in the world?
the horn and duskbreaker??
shell thunder
its already really good, and duskbreaker is insane
if it procs anyway, which it should, you can even tailor it with palm reading
that and then the horn that lets you fight for board while drawing your win the game cards
shell thunder
u either hit the 2/5, and you pop off, or you hit a dragon and you get to fight for board
no way in token druid
signal edge
Amd tbf
shell thunder
but overgrowth into scales is literally guardian animals
signal edge
Not too excited about seeing tasmani so much
signal edge
Yeah I can see it in ramp
shell thunder
it either lets you stabilize against board decks
and it lets you apply a lot of pressure if no board
it forces an answer
or it just deals 14
and if you do answer it, you slowed down developing, and the druid gets to its stronger late game
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
seems really good
signal edge
what do we think of kazakusan?
shell thunder
meme
signal edge
I think he's hella flavorful
shell thunder
it sounds fun but worse
u fight for board easier because u get the shield slam dragon
and u get the rush dragon too
signal edge
maybe control dragon priest?
shell thunder
u lose barov tho
signal edge
i mean losing barov is kinda ok
shell thunder
the only deck this ever goes in is some form of dragon ramp druid is my guess
like breath of dreams core
and u go like
build a dragon deck and thats the new top end
thats the "ramp payoff"
signal edge
imma have to theorycraft a dragon priest deck
shell thunder
alex is going to be omega nuts btw
in ramp druid
its actually way better than old gods
signal edge
why?
shell thunder
ysharj requires so much setup
alex is just a bomb
you need to draw and corrupt moontouched, and strongmen
otherwise its dead
or i can just play alex, and its always insane, other than a fatigue mirror
signal edge
i mean yshaarj is what completely seals the cwarr matchup
shell thunder
i mean yeah you lose some matchups and gain others
u could just play both
its a really strong card
lot of board impact
big threat
it does a lot
all you need is 10 mana
signal edge
do we just run onyxia in cpriest?
shell thunder
like quest?
shell thunder
warder in
signal edge
Mobile update waiting room
signal edge
infiltrator?๐ง
shell thunder
higher SI density makes the charged call better
and it just means you can turbo quest easier
same idea as pirate warrior
signal edge
@shell thunder did you get extra wins accross all classes?
shell thunder
wdym
signal edge
lemme show you
this was taken 2 weeks ago
I login post patch
outside of dh
my wins across classes just randomly increased
like this morning i was 20 wins away from 1k warrior portrait
but I login now and I got the achievement for it
shell thunder
tf
maybe they added other game modes or w.e
i dont have a before/after to check
wait is mobile still behind
i can check mobile
signal edge
it's really weird
2 days ago i checked my pala wins
they were at 1.1k
now it's 1.8k
2 weeks ago it was 1.7k
quaint aspen
do you never play on pc?
signal edge
mostly mobile, sometimes pc
signal edge
i haven't played arena in ages
quaint aspen
since dh is the same
signal edge
but idk
shell thunder
cant even logon mobile
signal edge
i log out with 980 wins on warrior
signal edge
logged into 1005 wins
shell thunder
like duels, tavern brawls etc
signal edge
my only guess is they somehow dug up the old arena databases
quaint aspen
mine didnt change im pretty sure
signal edge
because when they made arena wins contribute to golden portrait
they didn't add old wins
signal edge
they did?
quaint aspen
now I have all except dh
signal edge
that's interesting
quaint aspen
cuz I got 5.5k wins in arena
signal edge
I mean I don't mind the extra few hundred wins I got
just wonder if they will be rolled back for whatever reason
quaint aspen
just do some quick math and see if tzhat number is similiar to you arena number
but yeah weird they didnt get added for you cuz that was like in 2020 or something
ok it was apaprently march 2021, I just checked some logs cuz I remember talking to a friend about it
signal edge
I didn't play during march 2021
came back around late september I think
maybe that's why?
quaint aspen
weird either way yeah
shell thunder
Yeah so quest rogue owns
Kazakusan is probably Shit in druid
Seems alright in priest
All removal and kazakusan
signal edge
Kazakus promoting attrition decks with just removal and kazakus in it
We're living in the darkest timeline
signal edge
I'm doing very well vs kazakus with buff pala
Just snowball before they can do anything
shell thunder
wait ur telling me playing minions vs a deck that does nothing for 5 turns is good?
