@shell thunder nice name 
#Hearthstone
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You wanna see a super satisfying moment?
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ye
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yeah bolner shaman is cool
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Do you see the perfect lurker?
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The animation is also really satisfying
I have a hot take
Bolner shaman is better than thief rogue
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probably
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I know stats show that poison rogue is a bad matchup
But I think we adjust the playstyle and it's a 50/50
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thief rogue just does a few thing that make it so resliant
so it has the most insane early game of any deck in the game rn, so it can just win the game on turn 3 with panda + gnoll
it also has random generation from swash, recon, and wandthief that make it insanely hard to play around
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Bloom into caverns is also insane tbh
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it has the best hero card in the game that punishes you for developing into them
and then they have an infinite damage otk with MR smite
like the deck just doesnt stop
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bruh im getting
felfire in the hole'd when im on beast druid
and im getting twisting nether'd as handlock
i dont feel the average
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Well they don't tend to play the dead card
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thats true
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It just stays in their hand
And that happens quite a lot
So swash does look better than it is
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still incredibly frustrating losing a game to it repeatedly
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Although burgle got slightly improved no?
What I mean
Is you can generate hero cards
I don't think that was the case for death knights
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well remember back in the day
your burgle cards could get packfiller
packfiller doesnt exist anymore
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(which is good)
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yes
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Remember worgen greaser?
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ye lol
im not saying its bad
its just like
burgle is way way better
when all of the cards are good
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It is yeah
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like look at the deathrattle pool for recon
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I still cannot believe they printed rend
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What was in their minds when they were making rend
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rend blackhand?
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Ya
Oh you need a dragon to activate
And on top of that
It only targets legendary minions
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Brode era had a lot of those
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Well there is definitely trash
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Like the 0 mana spell that destroys your own minion
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the card quality has gone way up since the past
theres still stinkers but its way higher
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Well there's also more synergy specific cards
So you can get a synergy card that doesn't work
Listening to J alex talking about barrens priest
Sounds like a nightmare
Samuro into apotheosis into a heal board clear
And if you're a slower deck
They just illucia you
Dreadful times
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yeah barrens priest sucked
it was a "all discover"
no draw
all removal
no threats
control deck
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Glad I skipped that meta
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if you wanted to combo kill
2 mana illucia destroy your combo
if you went wide, apo samuro reno full clear
very exhausting deck
and they always discover an answer
renew into soul mirrorx3
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Absolute life drain
At least devs are really responsive
I kinda wish wow devs were active with the community like the hs devs are
Not that they need to
But it's kinda nice to have gs devs constantly communciating
And boar still streaming for example
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To be fair it does seem like the wow community is a bit more vitriolic
Like
Why did ppl got so mad about the 9.2 reveal vid?
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the wow community is equally as unbearable as the HS community is at its worst
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It's the art team showing pride in their work
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but yeah
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And community goes "hurr durr nagrand is more alien"
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the art team showing their work off, having cool water that u can walk on, and showing the new zone
"UH ACTUALLY YOU GUYS HAVE MADE THIS KIND OF WATER BEFORE WHAT A FUCKING IDIOTIC COMMENT"
like get a grip dude
its cool water
LOL
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i mean people are just dumb
i remember preach saying shit like "covenants will ruin raiding and M+ because you will need venthyr teleport to beat some fights"
meanwhile there was 0 fights in the entire game, or dungeons, that u needed venthyr port to skip
people just want to cry and complain
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I do think wow community can be more extreme simply because of the emotional investment with so many years
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ye iirc the poe community is way worse to the point where the lead game designer had to tell his dev team "yeah dont go on reddit, i will deal with it"
because it was getting so toxic
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Hs community has it's moments but I still feel like devs can say random stuff and ppl won't be inquisitors about every word said
Like you take an Ion interview
He simply says "pull the ripcord" as a fancy sentence
And that becomes a movement
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the hs community can get pretty stupid
i think iskar said "i like secret mage"
and then everybody on reddit for a week was like
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A chad aggro deck enjoyer
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"YEAH THE LEAD GAMEDEV LIKES SECRET MAGE HE HATES CONTROL HE SAID IN THIS REDDIT POST THAT HE WANTS CONTROL PLAYERS TO ACTUALLY WIN AND THATS UNFAIR BECAUSE HE JUST PLAYS SECRET MAGE ALL THE TIME"
and its like dawg
calm down
its a card game deck
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Secret mage with aluneth is fun tho
You're racing against the fatigue clock to burn your opponent
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ye lol
explosive runes 
damn feno has been climbing huh
rank 8 rn??
hes barely even playing rogue too lol
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Yeah and the best part
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45/43
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Feno deck roulettes
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my biggest issue with HS streamers is that htey never shut the fuck up complaining
feno doesnt
other than saying hes unlucky
which is funny
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Idk the only constant compmainer is theo
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depending on the day, pizza will nonstop
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J alex, meati, feno are fine
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I haven't watched pizza in a while
Idk kibler has been chill recently
He obviously has the control bias
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But his yogg druid videos on YouTube are really entertaining
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ye
his youtube vids are good
i mean this meta is good so its hard to complain too much
but i watch pizza a lot usually
and i watched him last night and for 2 hours he was just talking about quests making the format "feel the same"
and iw as like
queen wraith
Geno's streams have been hilarious recently
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play 5 games against burgle rogue, every game is the same
trade trade panda gnoll
scabs on 7
thats how good hearthstone decks work
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Like the clip of him talking about poison rogue weapon on 3 each game
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I will say, I'm happy that pizza is getting more viewers
I watched him when he averaged about 50
Now I see him around 400-500
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He grinded and earned those views
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yeah
constructed has some good streamers rn
i like theo even tho he complains all the time
he was playing ramp druid v ramp druid all day the other day and just perma not guff
opponent at 18 mana hes at 10
lol
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what a fun hearthstone card
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idk why they just remade barnes
already was a terrible card to play with before, where it had to get nerfed in wild
so they just reprinted it
im also literally just hardstuck diamond
i cant climb to save my life
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You should pull through with thief rogue
I mean drek looks cool in the concept it was printed
Being the polar opposite of vandarr
Aggro vs control
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except its just barned
its 4 mana flood the board with stats that shouldnt be in play
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And drek is always accompanied by 2 wolves in wow and the hearthstone art
So summoning 2 minions makes sense
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Right now the power level is so high thay drek is not a problem funnily enough
But as zacho said
It's a card waiting to be nerfed
Vandarr is the cooler card anyways 😎
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🙈
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i cant play hearthstone
}
IDKL HOW TO PLAY AROUND
EVERY HEARTHSTONE CARD
ITS IMPOSSIBLE
FUCKING
MR SMITE
NAJAK
LKIKE
LITERALLY HOW
THERE ARE 5000 ROGUE CARDS
I HVAE TO PLAY AROUDN
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The deathrattle pool is shallow enough to fish for specific cards
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i cant play around
najak
heal
liket
ehres too many
theres like 20
how do i play around a pool of 20????
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youre not supposed to win every game
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You slam the opponent
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but this is like eveyr game
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How's todays stats looking?
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like 3-7
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this is every day t ho :(((((((((
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im negative with every deck except handlock
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They are close to 50%
If you're around the 50% winrate mark then you're above average tbh
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i cant even win with thief rogue
my hand is wicked stab wicked stab potion of illusion mr smite maestra on turn 6
no gnolls no pandas no scabs no draw
iduno man
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lol
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if that's thief rogue stats
you've gotta be doing something wrong
even if opponents are lucky
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and in the other games?
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just shit play ig
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I lost poison vs thief yesterday because scabbs was literally my 30th card lmao
had 5 left I passaged on 8 mana I see everything except scabbs
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very fun game
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is that tax dh
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I just copy pasted it from reddit
quaint aspen
seems ok but wild is a shitshow anyways
like I played reno priest now im playing cthun hunter I have no idea whats in these decks
seems good against ignite mage and quest warr which is more important
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yeah the 6 wild decks are like
pirate warrior
odd hunter
whatever version of OTK mage people feel like playing, apm, ignite, flamewaker
Shudderwock shaman
im forgetting 2
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watching feno lose to swashburgler as much as me is giving me a lot of relief
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k just went d5 to legend without a loss wild is an interesting place
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LOL
what if pirate warrior in wild is just as counterable as it is in standard, its just people in wild are stupid noobs and havent learned the matchup
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tbh I drew weblord almost every game against them
that just wins the game on itself almost
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i like how terrible cards when they came out have become wild staples
like the weblord
or even poison seeds
unplayable trash during nax
but are core to the whole "tax" archtype
poison seeds defines slow druid
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Sure
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am i misplaying
or is this guy just the luckiest player on earth
overgrowth > guff > solar ward into really good 8s, and 2 strongmen > into amazing yog > amazing yogg
like did i fuck this game up
LOL
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I'm not a fan of the tamsin hero card play honestly
Giants sitting at 3 mana for 2 more turns was painful to watch
I tend to keep her as a finisher card to draw 3 into fatigue in slower matchups
And I feel like dropping giants earlier would've created you a more comfortable spot
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but he has turelion is the issue
so even if i double giant there he just trades
lol
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It's a bit hard to see cards left in deck but I think you could've gotten around with a soulrend
Also
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Hm yeah
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also ive played 5 druids today and every one of them have guffed me on turn 3
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I think we go for giant pressure into fatigue wincon
Yeah getting guffed sucks
It's not kurtrus powerlevel
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well down to d4 now
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ugh
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At least you're not at high legend facing nothing but mozaki and poison
God why did those 2 decks become popular
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id rather be in legend so i can just try and learn shit
rather than instantly queuing into unfavourables, and then they draw the nuts vs me
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I think warlock has game vs druid
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But yeah druid can suck for everyone when they roll the win with yogg
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Yogg rotates so I can put up with him for the remainder months
I will miss yshaarj tho
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just want to get into legend this month lol
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lol
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yeah so
gnoll poison rogue?
actual nonsense deck
that deck is way too good
u draw gnolls, and suddenly you have good early turns
also unironically, at least at lowerish ranks, you cant mulligan for it
if i saw a rogue on ladder and i had viper in my mulligan, im keeping viper
but because maestra you literally cant keep viper
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I saw people running double viper even now in top100 lmao
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turns out poison rogue shouldnt have access to vanish
considering we arent getting nerfs this week
which is kinda.. bad news
does just rogue ever get demloished by these nerfs
like gnolls cloak and scabbs
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I mean did you see the pics
of 55% rogue in top100
shits getting nerfed
they just might take the easy approach first like theyve done in the past
and not just nuke stuff insta
funny how fast the lock wep got nerfed to 5
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well its ofc getting nerfed
but people originally said "oh they nerf cloak and gnoll"
but now its like
i think people are tired of scabbs as well LOL
even if they "dont want to nerf hero cards yet"
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I think it was scabbs and gnoll, but poison has just gained alot of playrate
in last 10~ days
so now its just EVERYTHING
like it shifts fast lol, I literally played jace first 2 days of this season and it was semi-miserable
dhs playrate has to super down 10 days later
but I did see people even playing weapon dh on streams, and that monsanto guy playing some aggro builds
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the problem is that thief rogue used to be favoured
but thief rogue has an OTK
so it went from a 70% to a 50%
and then it loses to mozaki, and poison
and you kinda die to druid
and you kinda die to paladin sometimes
fel dh farms handlock fwiw
DH is a bit sad rn which sucks
2 expacs in a row ive wanted to really play a fun DH deck
but both fel and dr were just a bit too weak for my liking
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I mean its not super tax
its more like tech by some random guy
AAEBAaOtBAbfxALR0QPj1AP36AO7igSHiwQMiA6m7wLgvAPUyAPyyQOC0AP51QPz4wOQ5APIgASEjQTJnwQA
its only 1 post, 1 rat and 2 weblords
oh and 1 robes
like I could probably improve it easily, 2 need for greed seems pointless
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what do u keep
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companion, deadeye, vanguard, glaive and drek, weblord depending on opp class I guess
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all these 1 ofs make me sick
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wild is just a joke
its 3x easier than standard
I dont even know what rat is good for except like cthun druid
oh ignite mage I guess but for some reason I havent played against any almost
my mmr too low prob
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ye weblord fucks them aswell
whole turn to play that guy to cast iceblock from their deck
but yeah Ive played 45 games, last ignite mage I met was like game 4
so not enough data
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id play atleast 1 need tho
seems to be a really good topdeck on like 5-6 mana
atleast from xp
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mk
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ye
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the free stats on hsreplay are so garbage tho lmao
and even more garbage where you have 300 game samples on wild below plat
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if I didnt lose that 1 game against pirate warr my win streak would be at like 25
t4 deck my ass
bro against pirate warr
wanna take bets what turn he concedes
dude plays brawl these wild players are something else
https://hsreplay.net/replay/6vbp3BJAf4fbThZi5PPQsB @shell thunder
wild is just not a real gamemode I swear
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this is like mlg highlights in one game
this guy playing like 6 tech cards, me bricking my own drek'thar with kurtrus minion
rating his quest reward
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lol ye
dude dreadprison glaive, and the vanguard feel like such good cards
i need some aggro dh in my life
in standard
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wtf is up with wild mmr
I only jump 20-30 ranks per win at 1k
anyways 12-1 in legend, clearly tier4 deck
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yeah gnoll poison rogue is a nonsense deck when u draw flow
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ugh
feels gross being 11 days and getting legend
but did it with gnoll progue
nonsense deck
you literally just draw cards until you kill them with garrotes and fireballs
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@quaint aspen this deck is the nuts
ive never played against this deck so i dont understand why my opponents are just stunlocked when I play it
but it keeps doing it
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not that im out of ranked and just in like 2k legend, theres a lot of fun stuff going on i feel
theres a lot of fun dumb stuff in this game rn but its just thief rogue and mozaki and poison just kinda ruin the fun
like evolve shaman, big beast hunter
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yeah might take a break until they nerf those 2 decks
thief rogue is a tough matchup I can handle it because it's mostly board based
mozaki and poison tho 💀
hopefully it's just one more week for them left
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not that im out of ranked and just in like 2k legend, theres a lot of fun stuff ...
if you got in at 2k after your struggles thats pretty good or what 😛
unless theres way less people in legend on na, but I doubt its a big difference
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if you got in at 2k after your struggles thats pretty good or what 😛
It's decent ye
Honestly I think they should nerf garrote again
I feel the "draw your entire deck guild trader garrote" is just going to define rogue for awhile if they don't
The 3 cards deal 24 damage for 8 mana
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Rogue does lose incredible amounts of draw post rotation tho
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but itll always be the looming win condition of rogue
maybe its just too weak post rotation because rogue doesnt have the draw to support it
but "drawing your deck and playing a 24 damage combo" i feel is going to be ever green in any rogue deck that has the ability to efficiently cycle
i mean theres barely any reason to try and talk about what the game looks like post rotation
but if they keep the "miracle" package of auctioneer and 0 cost spells
you can jsut go back to that, the format will be much slower allowing a card like auctioneer to do well
i just dont think "draw my deck and now i have a 24 burst combo" is going to be bad
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I don't mind garrote defining part of rogue tho
Only thing I ever hated was the cloak of shadows into scabbs chains
Maybe we can see some deathrattle rogue post rotation
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i think garrote as a card kind of defines the speed of the format in a not great way
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Idk i think garrotes prevalence will tie somewhat to warriors existence
Or druid
If armor gain is more relevant, garrote will have a tough time
Also the card draw loss will insanely reduce the card draw speed
Combo speed*
And I'm not sure if one expansion is enough to make up for it
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Also
It's time to bring out the good ol' face hunter out and shank some poison rogues
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Become a classic main now
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the was mentioning nerfs coming tomorrow
please
scabbs actually has to go to 9
minions 
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did you see the new meta score from vs?
poison rogue overtook thief rogue in win rate
we have to kill that deck swiftly!
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oh christ man
people started playing the gnolls
dude
why does rogue have umbral owl but bigger, and it comes down on turn 2
??????????????????
and why does it have vanish, except good
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I don't mind the gnoll even if it's op
fighting a thief rogue feels good
but poison rogue is incredibly toxic
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O_O
bruh
LMFAO
NO WAY
that is disgusting
wait
isnt the report tomorrow
LMFAO
is the meta going to be 50% rogue
at 1k
LMFAO
DUDE
ITS ABOUT TO BE ROGUE TIER 1
EVERYTHING ELSE TIER 3
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is this the strongest deck in HS history
i havent seen a meta like this before
but i havent been as active in the past
kinda checked out during galakronds awakening
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even paladin on launch
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i really hope blizzard realizes the consistent mistake of reprinting iceblock like effects
and trying to make "make a huge funny weapon" rogue decks
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I mean cloak is thematic af for rogue
I don't mind them making risks
kingsbane was fine during it's existence in standard
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i dont think ice block should be in the game because the only place ice block goes is in decks that are trying to abuse it
these decks are always just "make giant shit and ignore your opponent"
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well when its a secret its a bit different
like, ice block is way better than cloak
cloak only goes in "ignore your opponent" decks
either way
i feel like a lot of changes are going to happen
i feel like they nerf gnoll cloak scabs, and like shank or something
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yeah but aren't those changes happening next week?
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i heard theo saying "nerfs tomorrow hopefully"
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i feel like they nerf gnoll cloak scabs, and like shank or something
please add flow to that list
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duno if he was being ironic
oh yeah flow ofc
i understand not wanting to "overnerf" cards
i feel like just nerfing it to 5
just to say "stop"
would be nice
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poison rogue and mozaki mage can be overnerfed
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yeah
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they are very unhealthy
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it's not the common "oh I hate thie deck because I lost to it"
it's literally watch your opponent not interact with you and play with himself
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yeah
i also dont really like edwin being a pirate when rogues have infinite mana to combo him with smite
the interaction was cute when you had 10 mana
with 12 mana and prep its like.. christ
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its cool for me a few times
but when im playing a deck that cant apply pressure
its just like
a tad annoyingn
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and gives interactivity throughout the game where you check how big can his edwin get given his cards in decks left
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maybe its just the gnolls do way too much damage
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idk feels like I can play around the card combo all the time
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and it feels like ur always dead to edwin
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I don't think I get edwin smited often tho
simply because
I force pressure
so they have to drop an edwin way before scabbs comes online
and once edwin is gone you worry about smite shadowstep and wicked stabs
and they might throw shadowsteps on other miniions so
idk
matchup feel super winnable
and extremely rewarding once you beat a thief rogue
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yeah
but like
poison rogue exists as well
and thief rogue also just randomly gets a lot of wins because of variance
because its burgle rogue all its cards are kind of like little puzzleboxes
sometimes you legit get random cards that instantly win the game
ive seen feno lose to shit like ramming mount off swash
ive lost to so much random shit like that lol
so like even if your favoured the deck is really good at just getting wins it doesnt deserve to win
like if ur paladin and ur opponent rogue gets the priest mindcontrol death rattle
ur so so so behind
its kinda like deck of lunacy
ur a deck of good cards, and you have a vEY VERY strong very dumb card that will win you games your deck cannot win
im very excited to see the nerfs either way
originally i expected cloak gnoll nerfs
but now i feel like a lot of stuff will get nerfed
im excited
a lot of cool decks exist
just the accidental perfect 30 from VS
literally ruined the meta
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the perfect 30 was made by J_ alex tho
that guy experimented a ton with the deck on his streams
even when thief rogue was considered tier 3/ tier 4
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well, jalex put in a lot of work optimizing the list
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he kept improving it
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ye
he was just starting to work in prep
i remember
he refined most of it
but then VS made it SUPER public and really suggested double prep to be core
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I think he was the first persaon to spot the maestra gnoll interaction as well
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i remember some lists floating around idk if it was him
it was right when secret burgle rogue started to see play
some ppl were using maestra some werent
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Kinda scary how ppl are unaware of mozaki mages power
"oh the deck is not performing well rn, it shouldn't get nerfed"
"I play at gold and I always aggro the mozaki down"
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a lot of great lines in here
The class sections in this report only specify some adjustments we’ve found that are necessary to somewhat survive in the current meta. Most classes are doomed and cannot adjust at all. The main message is that by playing a non-Rogue deck, you are putting yourself at a clear disadvantage.
This is game over for the format. Poison Rogue with Maestra and Wildpaw Gnoll is one of the most broken decks in the history of the game.
literally no words
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im so surprised dude
a 7 mana vanish, that ramps you at develops is OP
nobody at blizzard could have figured that one out
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💀
I will continue to say that aoe board clears shouldn't also make minions unless they are reasonably costed
It's obnoxious as fuck with shit like tamsin
Back with owllock when they play tamsin and make 2 imps and ur a board deck the game is actually just over
I dont like these "remove everything and develop" cards
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I don't mind them honestly, some are just overpacked for their cost
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Yeah
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im a professional hearthstone complainer
but i knew rogue was nonsense
i played like 10 games of that gnoll poison rogue and i was like "yeah this is actually just unbeatable"
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The 2 strongest decks merged into one
And became the ultimate deck
It's really oppressive but also funny at the same time
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it is quite funny
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Man if control warrior had draw. I feel like it could stand a chance against rogue
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it might be one of those cases where a class is broken so you just start saying every card is OP
but man
cutlass is kind of an insane card
not only is it a pretty good weapon for fighting super early boards
it also just cheats mana
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Control warrior being meta would bring an interesting dynamic
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card draw in the miniset 😳
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ye
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@shell thunder bro I tune into kiblers stream and he want maestra nerfed instead of gnoll
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Maestra gnolls are a cool combo
Maestra gnolls that cost 0 mana on turn 2 are not cool
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kibler is really good at pointing to the wrong problem in decks
i dont want to rag on specific people too much but it seems to be ver common
brain kibler finds a deck he doesnt like, whether its actually OP or counters his playstyle, and then will identify the wrong card
why is mozaki mage OP? too much draw!
not that incanters flow makes their deck not cost any mana
or mozaki as a card
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Is that a copy paste?
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no lol
not this time
actual opinion
i like kibler he has cool decks
he just seems to misidentify why decks are OP
look at what draw has done to ramp druid
look how many versions of ramp druid there are
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That's a good thing
shell thunder
yeah i agree
the fact that there are 10 druid deck is great
but a lot of that is because they have guff with life tap
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Rogue drawing a lot wouldn't be an issue if scabbs didn't give so much gas on the right turn
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poison rogue isnt OP because it has draw
poison rogue is OP because it has 2 ice blocks, a vanish that develops, infinite mana because cutlass and scabbs, and its impossible to apply pressure because gnolls
poison rogue is the perfect HS deck
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Yeah
Card draw made the game much more interesting
Just look at multicaster
In shaman
And mage
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yep
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And honestly if you wanna play a control deck that fatigues the opponent
It's theoretically easier to do that
Since decks tend to draw a lot and often fairly close into fatigue range
It's just that mozaki and poison exist and have a tight grip on the late game
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yeah
its just that there is so much lethality tied to draw
like you can fatigue a thief rogue pretty consistently
because they have infinite draw, but if you mutanus their edwin/smite they lose that burst
u can actually just run them out of stuff
unless they get stupid shit like the shuffle 3 primes
but like poison rogue draws everything, and then it gets access to a 24+ damage burst combo
and when mozaki mage draws most of its deck, it can do 70+ damage
like ive played a lot of fatigue game,s they can pretty fun sometimes
paladin, druid, dh, some of these games literally go down to last 5 cards
or straight fatigue depending on how aggressive they are drawing
signal edge
Yeah I love running a thief rogue down of resource
shell thunder
its just very hard because swashburlger always finds a way (:
shell thunder
yeah if u can flame their opener ur kinda winning
because u just make flame imps, and wolfs
and they have to scabbs
and then u just charged call it
signal edge
You should've seen the game vs nohands
He double yogged me and I still won
Crazy match
shell thunder
quest shaman is great
i hope they print more cheap good overload to make the deck still work post rotation
signal edge
Yeah just not great vs mozaki nor poison
I faced 3 mozakis in a row today
Always one turn short from killing them before they kill me
shell thunder
yeah turns out when u dont have to spend mana and when u draw 1 card u win the game is pretty good vs a control deck
shell thunder
😬
uhhh
25th is when nerfs happen
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Twitter
actual brutal announcement
signal edge
queen wraith
i've been playing a homebrew secret pally in wild and it's been doing insanely well
queen wraith
yea it's nice for when i dont draw well
it's won games when it works
basically just pure pally but with secret focus
I'm not sold on the rhyssa, i feel like it could be removed but idk what to replace it with
queen wraith
its such a fun deck
shell thunder
Yeah wild is kinda fun rn
Not sure if it's because it's actually fun or it's different
signal edge
I've been enjoying shadow priest in wild
Hyper aggro deck
But with so many mulligan possibilities
lucid violet
look at this big zapp 
shell thunder
signal edge
Low sample size wild tier list
shell thunder
More variety than standard
signal edge
rewarded for being a man of the people
queen wraith
ok hearthstone is bugged af right now
just had a secret passage that didn't return any of the cards i got from it back
signal edge
Gnoll itself has many bugs
queen wraith
yea
https://hsreplay.net/replay/nzYW2nYyTFCSGWVgFXsnFe but this kept a scabbs from it (it's on turn 7)
lucid violet
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thats pretty cool
shell thunder
shell thunder
i watched dog see the reveal for the buddy system
he literally skipped thru the video
didnt watch it for a second
said "i dont get it, what does this system do"
LOL
shell thunder
Scabbs to 8, Gnoll to 6 mana 3/5, Cloak to 4, Sorc to 4, Rapid Fire to 2 mana Twinshot deal 2, Flow to 4, Rokara hero card to 10 armor, Raid the docks not 1st phase text nerfed but idk which one exactly and how(it is not shown
LEAKED NERFS
@signal edge @quaint aspen
signal edge
noo they nerfed docks
rokarra buff is pog tho
where did you get those leaks from btw? 👀
shell thunder
lol a bit
shell thunder
i hope that beast hunter deck gets some time to shine
its really fun
did some friend games
ramp druid vs beast hunter
very fun
signal edge
not sure if thief survives the double nerf honestly
shell thunder
itll still be good
itll just be counterable by deck
cuz without this mozaki and poison rogue shit
handlock gets good again
which is a bad matchup but garrote will come back probably?
idk maybe ur right
what combo/control punishing deck is there
just handlock?
what beats handlock
ramp druid?
signal edge
shaman goes toe-to-toe with warlock
and control warr with rokarra and galv could burst thr warlock down
signal edge
I feel like
They should preemptively nerf tamsin hero card
I've got a bad feeling about her once nerfs go live
queen wraith
Why did rapid fire get hit?
signal edge
Quest odd hunter in wild is pretty dominant
shell thunder
Why did rapid fire get hit?
Quest hunter in wild
queen wraith
guess my mmr isn't high enough in wid to go against players playing it then because i hardly ever encountered odd hunter lol
shell thunder
Yeah
signal edge
shell thunder
Nice
signal edge
Idk
It's gonna disrupt the fastest concedes in the west
Doesn't allow you to embrace your saltiness you know
shell thunder
Lol ye
shell thunder
feno: "this meta is boring now, every game is rogue and everybody knows how to play the deck now so you cant even beat the noobs with it anymore"
signal edge
I mean yeah
High legend meta sucks
Because ppl are trying to qualify for that master's tournament
shell thunder
it mega sucks when its 50% rogue :p
signal edge
Well it sucks that poison is so prevalent
shell thunder
also feno said exactly what i said a few weeks ago 
"If rogue doesnt kill you with gnolls, it kills you wish scabbs, if it doesnt kill you with scabbs itll kill you with edwin smite, if it doesnt kill you with edwin smite itll just discover a win, deck always finds a way to win"
signal edge
And that's not inherently bad
Just power level needs lowering
But the play pattern of the deck is very healthy and you have lots of agency in that matchup
We reached 50% boys
shell thunder
LOL
shell thunder
signal edge
Tournament realm?
shell thunder
Some dude posted it in twitter
P sure it's just the name they use for their PTR equivalent
signal edge
@shell thunder not sure why you defended kibler so hard on the vs discord tbh
I watched his video and it's so fried
nerginf guild trader and leaving cloak interaction the same
shell thunder
I mean yeah I think that's dumb lol
It's more so the people that were calling him a dumb person for having a different view on what should be nerfed
And also the people that were saying "I didn't even watch it and I know his take was dumb"
signal edge
he does have a consistent track record of suggesting nerfs that benefit his playstyle
let's nerf mozaki mana cost so my control deck can mutanus it
shell thunder
Ye
They should nerf mozaki though just to make sure these decks fuck off
I'd rather never have to deal with mozaki and progue
Just execute them
signal edge
devs mentioned they want them as niche decks in the patch notes
shell thunder
I love the line in the patch notes "we like poison rogue :)"
signal edge
I don't think so
there are ppl who really like the deck
so devs are just saying "we're not gonna delete, but it should stay niche"
shell thunder
That's cool, but the deck is flawed by design
I don't think HS should be designing decks for people who like poison rogue
By design its un interactive
shell thunder
Yeah but with the current card pool it's just garbage
signal edge
and I mean kingsbane post leeching poison nerf
shell thunder
The current card pool is always going to guide the deck into cloak cloak scabbs garrote
signal edge
i think the most interesting comment was
Wildpaw Gnoll was intended to be a strong payoff for Maestra of the Masquerade’s fun effect, but it has been overperforming in this role
shell thunder
So many people saying "fix the bug"
Even though on reveal they called out the interaction
Lol
It is cool
I'm glad they didn't remove it
When rogue isn't 50% of the meta, maestra is cool
And between double agents and gnolls, thief Rogue has the tools to be a real deck
signal edge
yeah I think this is one of the coolest interactions in the game
shell thunder
Ye
I remember cooping my friends to legend before it was everywhere and it was always funny
Even watching feno play with it with the bad secret build, shit was fun
signal edge
I hope thief rogue survives
What I'm not looking forward to
Is if garrote becomes the go-to rogue deck again
shell thunder
Scabbs nerf fucks it too
signal edge
Yeah scabbs still op tho
shell thunder
Well yeah
The diff between 7 and 8 is actually infinite though
So many games I've played where thats the turning point
signal edge
Just the hero power itself helps a lot with combo setups
But yeah turn 7 is really impactful
shell thunder
It's weird that almost every deck feels like it power spikes on 7 lol
And scabbs perfectly lines up for it
signal edge
It foes feel like you start gaining the edge vs thief rogue around turn 7
And then they scabbs you
shell thunder
Ye
shell thunder
5+ hours a day of 60% rogue will do that
Lol
Esp when you just know the game is over turn 2/3 because gnoll gnoll
Its funny I was watching him "these top 100 players never calm down"
Dude panda gnoll gnolls him
And then queues up again into a 269 rogue
Literally the calmest rogue of all time
No passage
6/6 Edwin on turn 6
No scabbs
signal edge
Beast druid does look promising tho
Post nerf
Definitely crafting that deck
But I ain't crafting gidra
shell thunder
The gidra list is shit
I actually do not believe VS saying that's the best list
Everybody posting results with the deck is not playing that garbage anymore
Either way the new wave of "best decks" seem a lot more beatable than rogue rogue
It'll be refreshing
shell thunder
Beast
Class: Druid
Format: Standard
Year of the Gryphon
2x (1) Adorable Infestation
2x (1) Druid of the Reef
2x (1) Nature Studies
2x (1) Sow the Soil
2x (1) Vibrant Squirrel
2x (2) Composting
1x (2) Jerry Rig Carpenter
2x (2) Moonlit Guidance
2x (2) Ram Commander
2x (2) Thorngrowth Sentries
2x (3) Frostwolf Kennels
2x (3) Oracle of Elune
1x (4) Kazakus, Golem Shaper
2x (5) Arbor Up
2x (7) Frostsaber Matriarch
2x (7) Umbral Owl
AAECAabABAL86AOwgAQOm84DudIDleADjOQDrewDyfUD7PUDgfcDhPcDrIAEr4AEoY0E56QEuL4EAA==
To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
Can cut ram for troggs since they farm stuff like druid
But yeah idk I can't get this deck to work with any list
I just don't draw the combo pieces together
And have to just owl without elune
And then die
And then I can't stick a board for long enough to get anything more than draw 2 off composting
shell thunder
signal edge
blizzard making sure to release the patch so you won't play ffxiv
shell thunder
I like that every patch "fel dh looks the nuts"
And there's always an accidental counter deck that's tier 1
Lol
signal edge
yeah, ramp druid should keep fel dh in check
