might have been more in the podcasts
#Hearthstone
weary turtle
rotface is so cuttable
shell thunder
General - At the beginning, ZachO and Hat talk about ZachO's tweet earlier this week talking about taking Theotar out of multiple decks, and he was questioned if this was a data driven decision. ZachO mentions he had a dedicated Theotar analysis for this VS Report, where he examined Theotar's performance in every archetype in the game. After analyzing its performance, Theotar really should only go into 5 decks, and the card currently sees 2x more play than it should. Card perception is still more important than the actual power level of the card, so as mentioned last week if the card's playrate stays high, Team 5 may have to make another adjustment to the card. ZachO goes over Theotar's performance in (almost) every deck it's been in this week, and the class sections should reference it.
quaint aspen
from the podcast?
shell thunder
ye
weary turtle
vs podcast
quaint aspen
weird they didnt include it in any of the vs reports
shell thunder
u might have missed it i swear they did
either way ye
Theotar's nerf was very impactful. At 5 mana, you can often pressure your opponent enough to where they cannot afford to play Theotar, and even in the late game the Brann + Theotar combo is now more expensive. After the Theotar nerf, ZachO says no 30 card list should touch Theotar. Renathal decks are the only ones that can potentially afford the tempo loss of a 5 mana 3/3 due to the 40 life. Renathal decks also tend to have less synergy with lower card quality, and benefit from breaking synergies running into 30 card lists. ZachO also says the Theotar nerf was another indirect nerf to Renathal. Even if Theotar ends up staying in most Renathal builds, the change is very noticeable both when you're playing the game and in the data itself. ZachO can't speak to how popular the card will remain; it's still possible its playrate remains at a high level and Team 5 is forced to make another change to the card, but right now the card performs significantly worse.
thats what zach has to say about theotar anyway
quaint aspen
I was just ctrl + f theotar D:
quaint aspen
Big-Spell Mage is very underrated right now. Run Spammy Arcanist over Theotar and Brann if you want to do better against Hunter.
is the only thing I found
and some mention about it being in rogue
shell thunder
lmfao maybe it was just podcast shit they mentioned it
weary turtle
real talk, wildseeds are just so broken
2 nerfs to the wildseed pack and still beast hunter is just top dog
quaint aspen
mfw when wildseeds were first leaked
weary turtle
i love the idea of wildseeds
shell thunder
"pog i love when imy 2 mana 2/2 gives me a 5/4 with a 4/2 weapon"
wild seeds are lit man
good cards
quaint aspen
I still havent recrafted them since the first nerfs
because I rather suffer than play hunter
shell thunder
i like 30 hunter
quaint aspen
or well I was also missing like 2 other legendaries probably, so didnt seemed to be worth the dust
shell thunder
i hate playing renathal
weary turtle
i have a Huntsman Altimor in my collection for some reason
quaint aspen
was playing some scuffed non seed 30 version
went 50%, called it a day
that was end of september tho
quaint aspen
is that what you climbed to under 1k with
atleast I dont remember you usually being that high, but could be wrong
weary turtle
i swear down everyone hates renathal
shell thunder
was getting to like 500
i just stopped playing the deck tho i wanted to play all the aggro decks and lose instead
i fucked around with shit like sylv, tracking, aralon, etc
but it was good/fun
shell thunder
im at like 350 with DH
quaint aspen
think im 800 something
shell thunder
im at like 450 with rogue and druid rn
but neither class has had a fun deck for me for awhile
so :/
quaint aspen
oh yeah I have like 10k wins in arena
so when they added those to portairts
I went above 1k everywhere pretty much
shell thunder
lol
quaint aspen
I havent really played arena for probably 5 years
shell thunder
i just want like, tempo rogue
or like, a cool aggro druid
i dont like the current aggro druid
weary turtle
arena has been a rollercoaster of no skill and skill
shell thunder
i hate all the rogue decks rn bro haha
quaint aspen
its just very hard to play
I saw robotwizard was top3 on all 3 servers
a few days ago
shell thunder
yeah deck is good
its like u have these dumb highroll miracle rogue decks that just blowout ur opponents or die instantly
weary turtle
tempo rogue is dead old man
shell thunder
u have dumb highroll jackpot rogue decks
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and then these shitty renathal secret piles
just not a fan of what rogue is doing atm
weary turtle
when has rogue never been bad
weary turtle
and we got JAlex on twitter complaining about secret rogue
quaint aspen
it just wasnt for a very long time it was bad
shell thunder
they are really bad at designing rogue atm
i think the ways rogue is playable rn fucking blows
quaint aspen
in the summer maybe? im bad at remembering hs metas tbh
weary turtle
i miss the Maestra Gnoll days
quaint aspen
weapon rogue was like start of this year/last year iirc
shell thunder
secret rogue is just this disruption pile deck, miracle rogue is way to highrolly and jackpot is the same deal
quaint aspen
then I didnt really play higher than d5 for a few months now im just afking for 11*
weary turtle
garrote rogue players where you at
shell thunder
im having fun with enrage warrior for the time being now though
farms renathal decks as long as u dont get highrolled
quaint aspen
doesnt mage farm you
shell thunder
30 kinda? 40 not even close
shell thunder
quaint aspen
wait enrage and otk are 2 different versions, or just slightly?
shell thunder
quaint aspen
where the bunker sergeant
quaint aspen
yeah prob my bad
quaint aspen
havent watched streams that much last 2 weeks because of dota/league
shell thunder
ye makes sense
quaint aspen
and you dont see that much warrior to start with
shell thunder
ye
its just a shitty aggro deck so no streamers play it
but the deck is good
so many renathal decks just dont draw their good removal
and u just get em
ppl are playing this shitty priest deck now so
can just do this to em
oh dude
look at this game
weary turtle
i got highrolled by a big priest, figures..
shell thunder
ive realized i love weapon classes
when i equip the axe dude
or dreadprison glaive
i feel safe and powerful
shell thunder
signal edge
Is spreading plague back on the menu?
signal edge
💀
shell thunder
its just snowfall for druid atm
does the same thing basically haha
less lethal but gets to the same end
signal edge
It's one of the worst designed cards of all time
shell thunder
druid basically "skips your turn" if you are a super on board deck, then the druid gets to ramp ramp threat develop etc
shell thunder
dks look super fun man
signal edge
What if we run scourdgelord garrosh instead of rokarra in enrage warr
signal edge
Mam garrosh is such a badass card
Shame it's not seeing play
What if we play
Jackpot rogue
30 cards
With sunwell
shell thunder
add sunwell
yeah probably alright
nobodys gonna do that because people are obsessed with garbage rogue
40
signal edge
Thinking of what else can we do
shell thunder
not much
signal edge
I'm looking at lists and too many ppl are playing druid
Surely there's more than that
signal edge
There's some hidden gems
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I'm trying to figure out where do we slot in corpsetaker
shell thunder
but not a lot of stuff really
signal edge
Probably paladin
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Corpsetaker into blessing of kings
shell thunder
2017 called
signal edge
😦
shell thunder
shell thunder
yeah every DK is just bad lmao
signal edge
I was thinking maybe shadowreaper is more versatile than xyrella
Or you just run both in greedpile decks
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This decks is hella greed
The rogue list looks pretty interesting
shell thunder
dude
banter just lost how i lose
he lost to a paladin playing
Bunker sargeant
conc
doomsayer
and then golaka glutton
signal edge
Haha bunker sergeant being meta is too funny
shell thunder
oh yeah spammy as well
signal edge
Arena power level meta
weary turtle
The rogue list looks pretty interesting
based
but no funglemancer...
the hench clan, funglemancer, keleseth, leeroy days for tempo rogue
man i miss it
thick crater
thanks for the link was actually looking for a thief priest list
queen wraith
they're nerfing theotar again 
signal edge
Good
shell thunder
sacred pilot
28 > 0 big turn
its actually so consistent
awesome
hard loses to enrage warrior tho
signal edge
queen wraith
bomb lock is popping off rn
shell thunder
weary turtle
you simply had the better deck
sacred pilot
what did u do to him
shell thunder
Beat him
rocky vale
when you draw guff into scale 
sweet aggro player tears
signal edge
Token druid support let's go
shell thunder
Dude I'm so fucking over thief rogue
This deck is so fucking terrible
U just lose to random, draw variance, scams, disruption
It's just so fucking obnoxious
signal edge
Just don't play hs until the new expansion
shell thunder
Woah
And this
Very very nice package of cards
Same with these
The skipper and the draw 2 are nuts
The throngrove sentries is a fire spell too
So you have 6 fire spells in deck with skipper
Seems like great upgrades for both relic and enrage warrior
Lot of shit cards in both decks and these look like direct upgrades
Very excited for the expansion now
Was pretty down on it but these cards have me hyped
queen wraith
How many minions does relic run now? Xymox is definitely a keep, naha teachers are pretty good for it, and Jace is good in the felic version. Are there any other core minions? (Bran can prob be left out but maybe not, I don't play the deck much)
signal edge
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Class: Demon Hunter
Format: Standard
Year of the Hydra
2x (1) Fury (Rank 1)
2x (1) Relic of Extinction
2x (1) Sigil of Alacrity
2x (2) Chaos Strike
2x (2) Fel Barrage
2x (2) Relic Vault
1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard
1x (3) Lady S'theno
2x (3) Predation
2x (3) Relic of Phantasms
2x (3) Venomous Scorpid
1x (4) Blademaster Okani
1x (4) Prosecutor Mel'tranix
2x (4) School Teacher
2x (5) Relic of Dimensions
1x (6) Kurtrus, Demon-Render
1x (7) Xhilag of the Abyss
1x (8) Artificer Xy'mox
1x (8) Jace Darkweaver
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Well
Depends on how many packages you wanna fit in
Okami and prosecutor are definitely not mandatory
I'm not sure if you wanna try and fit in spells+relics+fel in the same deck
(Ideally I'd play a 30 list over a 40 list)
queen wraith
Def 30 over 40, and you probably could run fel+relic+fel, not sure if it's be the best build though. Jace and xymox would be mandatory, leaving 1 extra slot which could be Stheno, 1x teacher, or xhilag most likely, although you probably cut predation (at least if you don't have Stheno in your deck). Assuming you don't do that, there are 8 spots to fill and those cards are 7 of them, so you'd need a weapon or spell to fill in the last spot, which could be TBD based on the remaining cards. Only thing I'd be concerned about with that deck is if you don't draw souleaters a lot of the payoff cards just aren't that good (deal is the only one that's ok and that's just because of the fel tag which let's Jace cast it)
shell thunder
Wdym the payoff cards aren't good
One is another copy of chaos strike, which is just decent early game removal that helps u fight for board early which the deck struggles with
Another is an infinetly more flexible swipe that turns into burn when Kurt is down, deals with cards like fiendish circle on curve
And then the last one is just life gain which slows the game down and let's you push to the unstoppable late game that relic dh has
And all ur losing is the shitty 4 drops of okani and maltranix
And then teacher and scropid which are terrible cards anyway
rocky vale
Aren’t teacher and Scorpid only really played cuz you discover relics / spells anyways
The deck might lose some big minions since you can only fit 3 with scythe but spell / relic seems really good on its own so is fine
queen wraith
Wdym the payoff cards aren't good
Payoff when you still have minions in the deck*
queen wraith
Right, which is why I said if you don't draw souleaters you're in for a bad time
shell thunder
It also causes you to never get the minions/souls in ur mull
So your mull is technically between 27 cards
Which means ur relics are even more constistnly drawn
signal edge
This is also very neat
Your minions are protected in spell form from theotar/ mutanus
Or patchwerk
Is scythe just one of the coolest cards they ever printed?
quaint aspen
ez day1 golden craft I trust
rocky vale
Yea one of the dopest leggos I seen so far besides mograine
queen wraith
is the fireside chat preopening event this weekend?
rocky vale
Is it just me or does spell dh just seem far and away the best upcoming deck after the theorycrafting weekend streamer shit
quaint aspen
rocky vale
Like it has enough healing/early game to where the burn decks have to basically do a big kill turn and can’t whittle it down slowly and it’s also fast enough since it has good draw / 3 chances to discover spell damage / jayce to kill almost every deck it seems outside of maybe some super heavy control decks
queen wraith
Ayo?
rocky vale
blood boil is the best card ever made
shell thunder
queen wraith
Not unexpected. I'm curious if the shockspitter nerf will be enough
shell thunder
I mean this nerf takes its popoff turns from turn 7 to turn 9
It's omega unplayable now lol
queen wraith
That's if you want to otk though
It's still strong just with constantly throwing them down turn after turn
shell thunder
Think it's too slow without the otk is the thing
Could be wrong tho
U have to ignore the board too much
they nerf it
shell thunder
Paying for druid sins
Just wait until reddit realizes that guff is the problem card not denathrius
signal edge
Idk I feel like
They should just have not unnerfed and returned nourish to standard
Druid has ramp overload
And nourish felt like an unnecessary addition
thick crater
renathal is a problem
they didn't nerf him yet because he makes decks more expensive
signal edge
Rotate him 🙏
shell thunder
Guff is too powerful
It's literally just guff
This is the 4th set in a row now where guff is doing broken as fuck shit and ruining the first patch of every meta
It's insane that he's managed to stay at 5 mana with that absurd effect
5 mana draw 1 gain 5 upgrade hero power win the game in 4 turns
shell thunder
Yes man guff is a bastard
rocky vale
Anub also lowkey broken as hell
Even when you don’t draw guff I regularly have like 20-30 mana turns with that card
It’s not even hard to do either if you have one scales + anub you can just go off
shell thunder
weakest druid draw
rocky vale
yea the fact that that card gives armor/mana and then does 32 damage with bran is so broken
thick crater
anyone else also rocking dr rogue list on ladder? 
queen wraith
Don't have invincible 
vague moss
it looks a little bit hard to win
then 3 rounds later it become this
this is guff power
thick crater
rocky vale
LOL afked for 4 turns vs blood dk came back on 5 dropped guff and still won
He so mad
shell thunder
shell thunder
lucid violet
why did i get 150 packs?
queen wraith
You might've gotten the returning player thing
lucid violet
im way too lazy to ever open them
rocky vale
Rogue and dh got hit hard
shell thunder
hearthstone is really fun rn
signal edge
I'm a frost dk enjoyer atm
shell thunder
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try this list
might of menethil is very good
signal edge
Ooh menethil is spicy
shell thunder
its a very good card
it deals 8 damage for 4 mana
and it lets you ignore the board and bridge to your fury/fridigidara turns
shell thunder
Oh great, the 3rd meta in a year where rogue is dominating over the winter break
queen wraith
Hey at least the WoW and HS metas are aligned 
signal edge
I prefer rogue op like this rather than sitting with boring garbage like sunken city pirate rogue or nathria thief rogue
signal edge
Ye
shell thunder
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The Christmas rogue tradition
rocky vale
shell thunder
Wild is fun
signal edge
kinda bored of standard atm
shell thunder
yeah stndard sucks
shell thunder
in standard?
nah man just play wild
trust me its fun
and just play standard when they balance the game
signal edge
control paladin looks interesting
some more refinement needed
I'm not a fan of bunker sergeant
shell thunder
its just the cheapest way to clear other than pyro lol
signal edge
yeah but do we need that many clears
waiting for my hs client to update to check for other cards
astalor seems to be very good vs cariel tho
straight up ignores the reduced damage component
shell thunder
lol ye
rocky vale
Wild has fun decks for all types I gotta agree with guy if you don’t like standard rn
Can play mill control combo aggro midrange don’t matter there’s something dope
signal edge
supposed leaks for next balance patch
Nerfs
Wildpaw Gnoll: Gnoll now only gets discounted by non-Rogue cards. Maestra no longers works to discount this card
Sinstone Graveyard : Ghosts no longer have stealth.
Final Showdown: 1st stage requirement has gone from draw 4 cards in a turn to draw 6.
Sinful Brand: 1 mana -> 2 mana
Astalor: Manathirsts have gone up from 4/7/10 to 5/8/10, Final stage now deals 7+7 damage
Shockspitter: from 3 mana to 4 mana 3/3
Buffs
Bonecaller: 2/4 -> 2/5
Basaleph: 5 mana -> 4 mana
Haunting Nightmare: Base minion and Token from 3/3 to 4/3
Unholy Frenzy: from 3 mana to 2 mana
Battlefield Necromancer and Boneguard Commanders: Tokens from 1/2 Taunts to 1/3 Taunts
Vengeful Walloper: 7 mana to 6 mana
Wither: from 2 mana to 1 mana
Shallow Grave: from 2 mana to 1 mana
Last Stand: From 4 to 1 mana, Now reads: Draw a Taunt minion. Manathirst (8) double the stats.
Remornia: From 4/10 to 5/10
Asvendon: Now 4/3 with taunt
Infantry Reanimator: From 6 mana to 5 mana
Nellie: Reduces Pirates cost by (2). From (1)
Time Warden From 4 mana 3/5 to 3 mana 3/4.
Vast Wisdom: From 3 Mana to 2 Mana.
Energy Shaper: From 4 mana 3/5 to 3 mana 3/4
Darkhan Drathir: From 8 mana to 7 mana
quaint aspen
Final Showdown: 1st stage requirement has gone from draw 4 cards in a turn to draw 6.
shell thunder
warrior still seems helpless
quaint aspen
shell thunder
totally ignore the enrage shit, which has been the push for 2 sets in a row now..?
and then they are going back to supporting shitty slow warrior
quaint aspen
how the fuck you gonna draw 6 no shot, its gotta be 5 surely
shell thunder
its one of those "stop doing this shit" moments
since this is the the 4th time this quest has enabled an OTK
signal edge
gnoll nerf 
thick crater
supposed leaks for next balance patch
What's the source?
shell thunder
thick crater
maestra+gnoll+tradeable is probably the coolest interaction in the game. weird to kill it like this 2-3 months before new standard
although we got confirmation from the dev that the next patch will be big
signal edge
They should make maestra full dust refundable after the gnoll interaction nerf
Back to being a useless legendary
thick crater
They should make maestra full dust refundable after the gnoll interaction nerf
yep for sure
queen wraith
I've been playing silence priest lately. It's so bad but it's winning because no one knows what it is 
sacred pilot
wait they actually just gutted an entire legendary
but
u cant DE it
because the nerf is on wildpaw gnoll
and not maestra
AHAHAHAHAHHAHA
queen wraith
where do you see that?\
sacred pilot
supposed leaks for next balance patch
Nerfs
Wildpaw Gnoll: Gnoll now only gets discounted by non-Rogue cards. Maestra no longers works to discount this card
from retrog post
quaint aspen
you might be able to still de it
queen wraith
ah yea
sacred pilot
you might be able to still de it
HOPEFully
that just really nerfs rogue hard tho
no early game
just dies now
shell thunder
These might be the least useful buffs of all time
shell thunder
yeah but standard udk still just sux
queen wraith
Give remornia charge
signal edge
they should
shell thunder
bro what the fuck does this patch even do
nothing new works
all the buffs did nothing
literally what
signal edge
Evolve shaman and pure Pala seem good
signal edge
Shadow priest 😔
signal edge
Seems like so far 0 of the buffed cards had any impact
signal edge
If you're interested in trying something new tho
Custom Demon Hunter
Class: Demon Hunter
Format: Standard
Year of the Hydra
2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
2x (1) Crimson Sigil Runner
2x (1) Dreadprison Glaive
2x (1) Fierce Outsider
2x (1) Fury (Rank 1)
2x (2) Battleworn Vanguard
2x (2) Bibliomite
2x (2) Fel Barrage
1x (2) Multi-Strike
2x (2) Spectral Sight
2x (2) Wayward Sage
2x (2) Wretched Exile
2x (3) Magnifying Glaive
1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
2x (4) Sightless Magistrate
2x (6) Vengeful Walloper
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Been having a blast playing aggro dh with outcast package
shell thunder
good meta
Yeah
Smart developers
THey for sure know how to balance a card game 
I just legit dont understand how video game balance is so difficult for so many different developers
Like am I just insane for thinking that theres no way a single player in that blizzard building has ever reached about silver 2?
How do you be good at the game and balance this fucking bad
This entire standard year I think has been one of the worst of all time
Boring metas
The actual worst balancing of all time
What great metas such as 3 mana edwin
and 2 mana location
I think I'm officially done with HS
I think the developers have just continued to show me every single patch that they have 0 clue on what they are doing
thick crater
mini-set reveal season soon
shell thunder
How am I suppose to as a consumer care about the miniset when the last miniset had literal 0 impact on the meta
and the last 3 balance patches have been literal wastes of everybodys time
thick crater
ramp druid gained a lot of from that set 
I'm kind of sad reno wasn't remotely playable throughout the whole cycle
shell thunder
Oh awesome, the exact same deck that has been in standard with like, 2 cards difference every patch for the entire standard year
Guff + Random win condition druid
Kaza, Jailer, Astalor, Deanthrius
Literally the exact same HS deck every time
shell thunder
yeah man idk
the game is just unplayable
Like what am I suppose to do about this
Hes play 4 random solid alibis this game
I literally cannot play the game
thick crater
yeah I also don't know why they've printed that card
shell thunder
It's just Im queueing into casino decks and I have no impact on the game state
they just discover random good cards
and I cannot win
No choice I make has any impact on discovering 4 random solid alibis from his generation
signal edge
If they didn't miss the mark with buffs this patch it would've been a pretty good meta
Dk needed that new class powerboost
shell thunder
If they weren't consistently terrible at balancing the game, it'd be good I agree
But this is every single fucking patch now
How are they going to hype up "spicy changes" and give remoria 1 attack
Like how are they so fucking dumb
signal edge
Nerfs were spicy
shell thunder
Not really
signal edge
Think aggro decks need more burn
shell thunder
They just deleted gnoll and removed stealth
signal edge
I was playing outcast dh
And was thinking
Man it would be great to generate and outcast burn card
shell thunder
Yeah u love this consistent theme of printing half of an archetype
signal edge
Or spriest
shell thunder
Discard, this entire year
Outcast dh
Shadow priest
The entire undead tribe
Anything with warrior
It's just so frustrating
signal edge
Spriest got a volume of support technically but I think they deviated from what made it good in stormwind
shell thunder
And now I'm queuing into endless highroll casino decks and I just have no decision making to do in any of these games
shell thunder
They are just clueless
signal edge
This year was kind of a response to sw/ alterac
Aka big focus on board metas
Think we got a decent amount of board decks
But not in the form of aggro
Besides aggro druid having it's niche
queen wraith
idk, feno's aggro dh seems to be stomping pretty hard
not sure if you saw that list yet guy, seems to be up your alley though
shell thunder
I just have no motivation to reinstall the game at this point
I'm at like 1500 dumpster, and I cannot climb playing anything because I keep queuing into casino decks and just dying to the roulette
The deck isn't even good but I literally cannot beat it
I play aggro dh, they get 2 copies of ranchor
I play relic dh, they get 4 solid alibi
I play miracle rogue, they get belt into deadly shot
I play enrage warrior I get jackpot convoke into scale ca ramp 4 times
Nothing I play works, nothing I do in any of these games has any impact on the outcome
I have a 78% going second rate in 50 games of aggro dh
It's just not worth playing until rotation
queen wraith
i mean i haven't even hit legend yet this month
thick crater
yet
queen wraith
last boss rn
thick crater
signal edge
Control paladin should be pretty nice vs rogue
Especially with no stealth you can just remove stats with righteous defense
shell thunder
yeah same
its impossible to climb out of the gutter because tech cards are just unbeatable
shell thunder
what am i suppose to do man
i dont understand
I CANNOT
HE PLAYED 6 FROST SPELLS
BRO
HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO ME
These fucking casino decks dude
Epic man
shell thunder
I literally cannot escape being this unlucky at HS
shell thunder
i dont get what im doing wrong
I have never played a video game in my life that feels like I have no actual impact on the outcome of the game in this meta
I'm literally just losing and idk what I'm even doing wrong
l o l
Like dude
WHAT IS HAPPENING
am i going crazy??????????????????????????
I watch streamers play this deck and they just play the cards and they work
but when I play the cards they do this every time
:(
lucid violet
I'm literally just losing and idk what I'm even doing wrong
ur not trying to git gud
shell thunder
signal edge
That's just outcast dh variance
I wish there was an outcast burn spell
And the deathrattle guy gone from the pool
queen wraith
And the deathrattle guy gone from the pool
It will be come rotation
shell thunder
Okay so I've played 5 dks in a row
Every single DK has gone first
Played peasant
Into necromancer
Into blightfang
I'm legit lost
What am I suppose to do
How am I top 200 for 3 season in a row
and I can't get out of fucking silver
queen wraith
quest mage stomps dk in my experience
shell thunder
its not about beating dk lol
its just about being unable to win a single HS game at all
Im just queuing up and just losing no matter what I queue
Oh cool my implock opponent on 6 played tamsin and drew all 3 imps
:)
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signal edge
hmmmm
That's an interesting hand
Do you coin dispose Kurt into wayward into crimson?
queen wraith
yea that's all you really can do
that isn't just pass or lose out on outcast procs
still a little risky though because you could miss the dispose discard on kurtrus
signal edge
I'd take the risk
queen wraith
me too
signal edge
I'm an aggro deck
queen wraith
cuz even with that worst case scenario you just discard the vengeful and then just crimson
no 2/2 but still works
shell thunder
Do you coin dispose Kurt into wayward into crimson?
ya but i lost
cuz im a shitty aggro deck going second and then i drew my cards in the wrong order
signal edge
What is the list you're running anyway?
shell thunder
Terrible
Class: Demonhunter
Format: Standard
Year of the Hydra
2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
2x (1) Crimson Sigil Runner
2x (1) Fierce Outsider
2x (1) Irondeep Trogg
2x (1) Vicious Slitherspear
2x (2) Battleworn Vanguard
2x (2) Bibliomite
2x (2) Spectral Sight
2x (2) Wayward Sage
2x (2) Wretched Exile
2x (3) Magnifying Glaive
2x (3) Predation
1x (4) Felerin, the Forgotten
2x (4) Sightless Magistrate
1x (6) Kurtrus, Demon-Render
2x (6) Vengeful Walloper
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Not Real
Class: Demonhunter
Format: Wild
Year of the Hydra
2x (0) Dispose of Evidence
2x (1) Crimson Sigil Runner
2x (1) Double Jump
2x (1) Felosophy
2x (1) Fierce Outsider
2x (1) Illidari Studies
2x (1) Mana Burn
2x (1) Metamorfin
2x (2) Redeemed Pariah
2x (2) Spectral Sight
2x (2) Wayward Sage
2x (2) Wretched Exile
2x (3) Eye Beam
2x (3) Magnifying Glaive
2x (6) Vengeful Walloper
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standard and wild version
signal edge
I think Kurt is not great in standard
Since gameplay loops around cheap outcasts and reducing wallopers cost real quick
And really bricks that gameplay loop
queen wraith
non hero kurtrus maybe?
shell thunder
but maybe it is astalor lol
signal edge
I posted my list before
shell thunder
I feel like this deck just has 8 copies of patches
and then ur good cards can also generate another 5 patches
Like predation sucks, every time i play glaive, i draw the other
half the time walloper is just stuck at 6 mana because shes hard stuck on the left side if ur hand and then ur deck just stops functioning
walloper needs the text "will always be in the center of your hand"
shell thunder
ya i kept losing to shaman as well
they would go schooling into muckpools into gnool devolve and I would be dead
shell thunder
is that normal aggro or outcast aggro
shell thunder
p sure nellie is good in enrage wrr
signal edge
Maybe but nobody is exploring enrage warr atm
shell thunder
i can tell u for certain remonria is good
signal edge
I need to know the udh list
signal edge
Vs report in one hour as well
shell thunder
ah is it
lists like this were going around
i think sylavanas is super OP so probs play that
shell thunder
probs ye
it costs 8
xymox feels unplayable atm in relic DH
same with jace
u just never get to turn 8
signal edge
Actually no I'm spreading misinformation
You cut corpse spenders except marrowgar and the board buff
You can see it in that list
shell thunder
one famished fool for syvanas and i think its perfect
queen wraith
what are you putting sylv in for though
you want to beat the big minion value decks before they can drop those dudes and if shaman cheeses you, you probably won't have it up
shell thunder
based on that meta thing he posted
it'd be good vs paladin, evolve shaman, beast hunter, fel dh, miracle rogue, control paladin, big spell mage
its just a good card, its just 6 mana mc with a 5/5
card was p consistently good in CN
and its even good in wild the "otk on turn 5 format"
shell thunder
udk isnt traditional aggro
its an aggro deck in the sense that it beats basically any deck that plays for board
queen wraith
ig yea since those are its worse matchups too
2nd top deck does just what you say so it seems good, 1st one doesn't have too many games but it drops troggs for peasant and drops the blightfang for sylv
which, if you're targeting the bad matchups, it probably makes sense to drop blightfang instead since it doesn't do much there
you'll have worse performance against the other board aggro decks but idk how strong blightfang is against them anyways
shell thunder
I think blightfang is just way too OP to not use in those matchups tho
fool sucks imho
queen wraith
yea probably
signal edge
Not enough data for Nellie yet according to vs
shell thunder
It's one of the best cards in bad control warrior decks
I can't imagine it being significantly worse in enrage warrior
shell thunder
ya not surprised
the mode was just trying to be too many things at once
it was announced in 2020 as well
like back during darkmoon it was meant to be released
development hell + spread too thin
shell thunder
ya unlucky
signal edge
thick crater
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those warrior cards 
shell thunder
Actually so bad man
sacred pilot
https://youre.outof.cards/media/uploads/34/7b/347bc3d2-e0de-4b80-b8c2-02c1379ac0...
hookfist is broken
sacred pilot
ITS TERRIBLE
no sh0t
shield block every time u attack
on a 4/3
for the same mana cost
shell thunder
Okay so lets think of a playable Hearthstone deck this goes into
queen wraith
Pirate warrior
thick crater
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rocky vale
queen wraith
So is stitched creation a turn 8 10/10?
rocky vale
Value decks lookin real 
Next thing you know they make the most egregious aggro card known to mankind like patches on crack and meta is fucked
thick crater
So is stitched creation a turn 8 10/10?
yes
shell thunder
signal edge
The cards flavor text (:
sacred pilot
The cards flavor text (:
It’s actually so weird that they are making cards that ONLY WORK with guff
shell thunder
They aren't
rocky vale
Druid gonna have guff 2.0 and I hope it doesn’t suck cuz guff is fun af
Feel like it’s not even that bad after the nerfs
thick crater
I'm pretty sure it won't be a legendary or even an epic since tying a class card to a specific high-cost card seems questionable
rocky vale
i could see it being an epic
maybe not legendary tho yea
guffs draw is gonna be missed if it's just like unlock your mana crystals ramp 1 empty crystal card tho
signal edge
Been having fun with big warlock
rocky vale
How does rogue have a turn 6 kill deck every single time we get new cards
Dumb ass game
signal edge
Interesting downside of adding new tribes to existing cards
shell thunder
Lol ya
signal edge
Probably 2 charges
signal edge
Maybe
Good to nerf the card eitherway
I encountered an unlikely mirror earlier today
shell thunder
LOL
shell thunder
undead priest is pretty lit
signal edge
Looks promising after balance changes
shell thunder
its pretty good now
shell thunder
queen wraith
i feel like they've kept saying the next expac is going to be "the newest hype" or a "banger" recently and they've all felt underwhelming imo
shell thunder
shadow priest is a blast
first deck in a long time ive really clicked with
Undead
Class: Priest
Format: Standard
Year of the Hydra
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2x (1) Animate Dead
2x (1) Mind Sear
2x (1) Shadowcloth Needle
2x (1) Voidtouched Attendant
2x (1) Whispers of the Deep
1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
2x (2) Incorporeal Corporal
2x (3) Cathedral of Atonement
2x (3) Haunting Nightmare
2x (3) Shadowed Spirit
2x (4) Bonecaller
2x (4) Grave Digging
1x (4) High Cultist Basaleph
1x (4) Najak Hexxen
1x (5) Darkbishop Benedictus
2x (5) Shadow Word: Undeath
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signal edge
i played a few gameswith it yesterday
it does dish out incredible face damage
you just lose to early construct quarter
shell thunder
well every deck in hs loses to that
I beat a dude who had two actually just before i logged out
this deck does a lot of damage very fast
attendant is also just a pyroblast
i will miss attendant
signal edge
ok shadow priest into blood dk is a horrible matchup (x
signal edge
why did they make control decks so boring this year 🛏️
too much attrition/ removal
I prefered last years control decks which had more diverse win conditions
shell thunder
ftd was cool
queen wraith
it was a pretty toxic card tbf
signal edge
Dude I just realised najak rotates
shell thunder
Yep :/
queen wraith
Benedictus does too didn't it?
thick crater
yes
queen wraith
https://hsreplay.net/replay/9233fQJPb2FuE3geJY7CNM
turn 10 pretty good
step + reckless apprentice w/ scabbs hero power is pretty nifty haha
signal edge
I'm a shadow priest enjoyer
shell thunder
R u playing najak yet
shell thunder
I'm the opposite, every game Id rather have najak over the replacements
signal edge
I've been mostly facing blood dk's
But if I'd be facing evolve shamans
Then yoinking a big thaddius would he awesome
shell thunder
Najak their gnome muncher
signal edge
And usually I have enough burst for warlocks before they drop their ooze
shell thunder
THief rogue has to be the worst designed HS deck of human history
cant wait for this cancer to rotate holy fuck
signal edge
thief rogue is alright atm
shell thunder
It's just so lame man
I've lost the past 8 games vs thief rogue to just like
Turn 4 scourge
Toothing perfect answers
Scabbs on 8
Infinite life gain
Just lame as fuck
And I'll continue the crusade against serrated bonespike
That card is fucked up
signal edge
now that's a weird card to crusade on
shell thunder
I keep losing to it 
signal edge
It's probably one of the better balanced cards in the rogue kit
shell thunder
I just hate the feeling of "I played a minion and I lost because of it"
lucid violet
queen wraith
Throwback to the days before deck trackers when streamers would just have screen shots of the deck they were playing up
shell thunder
signal edge
Karaoke expansion
queen wraith
this is actually going to be so annoying
signal edge
Thank god cariel is rotating
queen wraith
for real
rocky vale
this is actually going to be so annoying
Paladin always manages to piss me off somehow
shell thunder
signal edge
This is confusing
signal edge
Ok now I see
shell thunder
LOL
thick crater
that's actually quite possible cause amplifier seems underwhelming
signal edge
to be fair I think if they leave guff and rotate nourish it should be ok
but i'm not too keen on guff staying
lucid violet
the flavor of the new expansion and the cards is really cool
signal edge
queen wraith
the new rogue cards look sick
shell thunder
Core looks fucking insane this year
shell thunder
What the fuck is wrong with blizzard
thick crater
we have 10 classes now btw
signal edge
What did they do?
thick crater
new warrior cards
signal edge
They seem solid
thick crater
They seem solid
problem is that it seems warrior has no Identity
lucid violet
remember when warrior was just 15 removal class cards and weapons and 15 neutral random big legendaries 
signal edge
Yeah it was peak boredom
signal edge
Twitter
thick crater
yeah I guess make sense they did that. you can still immune flame imp and such but you can't cheat out something "for free"
shell thunder
I got my day 1 decks ready to go
I think the warlock has a lot of potential
I really wanna play the warlock
Cover artist, clergy, and neophytes might be cuts
Coil could be god
signal edge
Warlock list looks clean
shell thunder
Ty
I think could might be needed to help with defile but
wanna try this out first
It looks super clean to me idk
signal edge
just one more day
shell thunder
Ye super excited
wide root
@summer jolt
summer jolt
Ty!
I bought the 80 bucks bundle with wow gold(boosting gold is kinda nuts to buy shit ngl) and im wondering that every first 10 packs of an expansion is a guaranteed legendary. But what if i open the 10 golden packs first? Guaranteed golden lego?
shell thunder
Not guaranteed no
summer jolt
I guess they thought about that and prevent people from abusing the first 10 pack guaranteed legendary system
shell thunder
Lol ye
summer jolt
So it doesn't matter when I open the golden ones?
shell thunder
Correct
summer jolt
Aight thanks.
thick crater
damn blood dks 
shell thunder
shell thunder
Control decks just really suck the fun out of the game
zzzz
meta was more fun last week
Outcast DH was really fun until I queued into 4 renathal blood dks
and spend 15 mins per game
shell thunder
I tried
U still lose
Or I get highrolled i guess
They just make boards now with banshee and the weapon
signal edge
But yeah
I expected blood to be popular
It was popular even when bad last expansion
And rotation severely lowered the power of all classes except dk which got virtually untouched
Think nerubian vizier is the most annoying card for me because of how consistent it is in death Knight
I can play around 2 blood boils but a 3rd one is soulcrushing
Or stuff like turn 5 sindragosa breath ends gamea
wide root
Control decks just really suck the fun out of the game
Aggro brain 
Control mirrors are some of the best hearthstone one can play
signal edge
Control mirrors 🚮
summer jolt
I dont mind control decks, blood dk is just the boring one imo
lucid violet
i just got OTK'd from 25 health in arena on turn 8 by a mage with 5 of those 1 mana arcane blast thingies and spell power
what is this game
IN ARENA
shell thunder
Control is arguably the hardest playstyle in hearthstone. Managing resources and thinking in a long term is way harder than just spamming 200 cards in a turn like combo does, or just go face like aggro does. Control is not a playstyle, it's a life philosophy. It's the immediacy and anxiety against the patience and resolution. It's the smart players against the "one trick pony" players.
wide root
real
real
real
rea
real
aggro players 10 iq vs gigachad control mastermind 400 iq
thick crater
Control is arguably the hardest playstyle in hearthstone. Managing resources and thinking in a long term is way harder than just spamming 200 cards in a turn like combo does, or just go face like aggro does. Control is not a playstyle, it's a life philosophy. It's the immediacy and anxiety against the patience and resolution. It's the smart players against the "one trick pony" players.
summer jolt
OTK decks were the best to PLAY imo. Games dont last 2 hours cuz only win condition isnt "outlast the opponent". I get it was unfun to play for thw opponent against it tho
signal edge
Might need an otk deck for blood dk
queen wraith
that was fast lol
quaint aspen
its the 3rd day
shell thunder
Yeah?
signal edge
Think walloper was primarily wild targeted nerf
queen wraith
the way to beat bdk is to play big beast hunter and have them dirty rat mukla on turn 2