Hearthstone

[shell thunder]

reqvam did a "twitch chat voting + reqvam" tier list

its so good

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1538220121?t=01h31m20s

timestamp is second card he did

but great content

[shell thunder]

bro i am stunned so many people love topior

[signal edge]

It's weird

Where do you run topior?

In ramp?

[shell thunder]

Kaza/ca I think is the idea

But it's 7 mana 5/5

[signal edge]

I'm just gonna jam aggro dh and totem shaman day 1

[shell thunder]

Somebody needs to figure out enrage warrior

That's the deck I wanna play

Liddle rokara

U play the charge minion

The crazy weapon too

[signal edge]

Liddle rokara

[shell thunder]

And then like, ur 6-7-8 is olgra, which goes face, hero rokara, which is 5 min and can push more if you have big minions and upgrades your hero power to steady shot, or remornia, which pushes 6+ with all the handbuff cards, and then grom, which pushes 10

[signal edge]

Would need to craft her

[shell thunder]

I can see the deck is gonna be playable

6+ is just burn damage

[signal edge]

Idk if I like Grom

[shell thunder]

8 mana deal 11 with location

If u have weapon equiped is another 3-4 damage pushed

Hand buffs is more

Conditioning/2 drop

I see this deck getting there

[signal edge]

Hm

Might work

Gonna keep an eye out

I assume VS will have a theorycrafted list

[shell thunder]

does this not look unbeatable

aralon samuro can be swapped for okani/duster

[signal edge]

Think aggro could beat it down

[shell thunder]

If that's the case u add renathal

Xd

[shell thunder]

[rocky vale]

anyone who plays prestor druid is a twat

and i stand by that

[vague moss]

prestor druid i am playing

well might disappear next season

[signal edge]

Ngl

I'm enjoying control shaman a lot

It's a very hectic deck with lots of different gameplans

Takes a bit to figure out but it's worth a try before expansion comes

[vague moss]

yea i like it too more stable

[rocky vale]

control shamans dope af

i started with curselock but running into quest hunters made me swap to thief rogue

thief rogue is suprisingly good in the meta rn as long as you don't hit pure ass dh cards, went 16-6 to legend

[vague moss]

we have a joke that once curselock sound hunter give a "ding" , he will surrender

[rocky vale]

i literally do that lol

it's impossible to fill his hand with curses to mill quest because he finishes it like turn 6-8

the only way to win is drawing mutanus and rng hitting it out of his hand and even then you can still just get burned down if you don't draw healing

[vague moss]

yea this is the way, but cursewl is the best choice to deal with control shaman

[rocky vale]

yea shaman is free af matchup

even with big mutanus plays by them you have to get increeeeedibly unlucky to lose

don't think i've ever lost that matchup lol

[vague moss]

[rocky vale]

just quest priest and quest hunter are almost instant losses

is feelsbadman

[vague moss]

but hardly can see quest priest

[rocky vale]

i saw like

6 or 7

from diamond 5 to legend

no clue why people are playing it there lol

[vague moss]

i prefer the pig priest, fun desk

[rocky vale]

yea that ones even worse lol

actually unwinnable without god tier mill luck or rng altar of fires from teacher

[vague moss]

fair enough

[rocky vale]

it is more fun tho

and takes skill to pilot properly

outside of free matchups

[vague moss]

yea

[rocky vale]

don't see it as much since control warrior left the meta tho

[vague moss]

the nerf was too big for warrior

[signal edge]

warrior was fine after nerfs

but renathal decks sealed it

[shell thunder]

day 1 queue i think

shadowborn discounts your waltz

darkvein deathrattles proc waltz when they get it

like itll always spawn 2 3/5s

rafaam always infuses with shipment/circle

dark alley pact minions are imps

[queen wraith]

yea but shipment and circle dilutes your imp pool a bunch, so the chances of getting a big pact imp on resummon is low

[shell thunder]

thats fine

just sometimes its a highroll

imp king rafaam even summonging a board of 3/3s is still nuts probs

[queen wraith]

yea fair

oh tamsin imps too

[shell thunder]

oh yeah this is my kinda hearthstone deck

im gonna cut bloodfeather and chaplain for duster tho

convinced its broken

and i dont have bloodfeather and i remember it being marginal in old spriets

and then chaplain was always middling as well

[signal edge]

Shadow priest

Just gaining more armor than quest hunter can handle

[rocky vale]

Based fuck quest hunter

go off king

[vague moss]

it seems that the new card bag had been loaded

[vague moss]

how many days till i can open the new card bag

[quaint aspen]

4days and like 15hours

[vague moss]

Any Fireside Gathering? i can use hacker tech to reach that place then i can open my new card bag

[quaint aspen]

never done that so no clue

but shouldnt be hard to pull off

[vague moss]

chinese people use the fake location in Android system to reach Fireside Gathering place to open new card bag

[queen wraith]

You can just make your own fireside gathering close to home, no need to change your location

[vague moss]

rly?

i will try

[queen wraith]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/103458#:~:text=To create a Fireside Gathering%2C visit our community site and,least 5 days in advance.

You can only make a private one, but it still works - you also don't need to follow the 5 day pre creation retirement, I've made it a couple hours before and it worked

[signal edge]

For me it doesn't work idk why

I set it up, it shows tavern is active on website

But never ingame

[queen wraith]

Do you set it up roughly close to where you are (I've done it at about a mile out)? It also needs to be during a pre release weekend. I haven't seen anything about it yet, but they usually start Friday evening or Saturday morning (based off pst)

[signal edge]

Yeah I set it very close to where I live when the prerelease event is up

[queen wraith]

Hmm idk then, I've always had a pop-up saying that my fireside event is ready, if there's no pop-up you can usually find it in the bnett friends pane in hs, it'll be orange instead of the normal color

[signal edge]

Yeah I clicked that but it never detected

I'm just gonna wait for expansion to drop

[queen wraith]

Yea I'm waiting this time too, I think it's better because you can pad the free legendaries better by doing so

[signal edge]

True!

[rocky vale]

thief rogue too good fam

[shell thunder]

alright

packs opened

[rocky vale]

thought it wasn't available yet

[quaint aspen]

fireside abuser

[rocky vale]

oh lol

[shell thunder]

so we got

xymox

aralon

orion

pelegod

stonewright

orgra

wanted darkvein, rafaam, draka, altimor

but ogra, pelegos, xymox is alright

[vague moss]

opening time

[vague moss]

wtf only got 2 legend

[shell thunder]

which ones?

[vague moss]

Vashj

and the micharo

is it that called?

ok 5 now

only these

idk it's eng name tho

ok i just got 5 considering whether i should get another purchase bag

[shell thunder]

oh not bad

golden legendary is anything

i got some okay stuff

[vague moss]

i see u got alot i am jealous

[signal edge]

friendly reminder that it's a good day to start "pooling" your quest log

will fill up to the limit of 3 by expansion launch and make your next battle pass faster to level

[shell thunder]

@signal edge https://www.twitch.tv/reqvam

reqvam trying for rank 1

hes rank 3 atm

hes grinding

its like midnight for him

[signal edge]

Wait

Monthly reset already happened for him right?

[shell thunder]

no

[signal edge]

Oh

Last minute push

[shell thunder]

yep

[signal edge]

Let's go!

[quaint aspen]

its 6:30 am for him

:d

[signal edge]

Wait if reqvam is eu

[quaint aspen]

just didnt know he plays on NA servers

[signal edge]

Oh he's NA

[shell thunder]

oops, still super early tho

on the grind

he got it

[quaint aspen]

whens your reset, 1h or 2h?

[shell thunder]

2

[signal edge]

Shared rank 1 legend

[shell thunder]

he was like

2k earlier in the month

crazy climb

Awe

Finished at 2

Still an insane climb

[sacred pilot]

@shell thunder open packs yet?

[rocky vale]

got the legendaries for big druid

deathrattles go brrrr

[rocky vale]

quest hunter added me after losing

[rocky vale]

prestor druid ragequit this is good content

[vague moss]

Duty Paladin is.. shit

[shell thunder]

yep

been owning with beast hunter tho

[queen wraith]

imp lock's super strong too

[vague moss]

lock is fine

rouge is the real OP one

rouge can steel locks crad

[vague moss]

Buff priest is crazy

[signal edge]

I'm quite enjoying the gameplay loop of dh relics

[vague moss]

dh relics is fun

[vague moss]

guys have u try Denathrius Druid?

its more likely a OTK deck

[shell thunder]

[shell thunder]

nohands lost to too many theotars all his hair is falling off

[shell thunder]

https://www.twitch.tv/forsen

HOLY

hes on hearthstone

[shell thunder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314900684917178378/1004898369153531944/6oydb6.gif

[vague moss]

Druid is crazy now, 40-Denathrius Druid can finish the game even u don't have gouf in hand

but it's hard to against with fast deck like Murloc Shaman

esp. u r unlucky

Theotar also a great card to against with any deck who take Denathrius

[quaint aspen]

steal it back!

[signal edge]

First game

[shell thunder]

my honest reaction

[shell thunder]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TransparentMoralCurlewBlargNaut-OPc-gwiDxuGm7CXi

[shell thunder]

This one really doing numbers

[signal edge]

Druid sucked in sunken city after nerfs

[quaint aspen]

https://i.redd.it/jwijrgtclwf91.png

[shell thunder]

Oh yeah druid has been kind average for awhile it's just insane how much guff carries the class rn lol

[signal edge]

It's probably more to do how druid wins

CA and prestor left a sour taste for a lot of ppl

[shell thunder]

Well yeah because when druid loses u don't draw ramp u afk and u lose in 5 turns

When druid wins it plays Jerry growth seedsman/nourish guff scales blah blah blah has 18 mana plays denathrius and you explode

They spend the entire game winning with 40 life 80 armor

And a 33 battlecry Dan or a juiced kaz with double moonlit etc

The way druid wins is so over the top lol

[signal edge]

You don't need guff to win with denathrius

[shell thunder]

I mean ofc

Guff is still the best card in the deck by over 6%

[signal edge]

Yeah

Not sure if druid ia considered a meta tyrant yet tho

[shell thunder]

Is not

[vague moss]

i am quite favor denathrius shaman now

very insteresting desk

not like druid it need more thought

[shell thunder]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MoralCloudyDaikonFeelsBadMan-FsQ2wJwOE1_TGN4K

[signal edge]

boon is actually sick

[vague moss]

i played this deck before

but everytime i play it i will meet the wl

[signal edge]

think warlocck is winnable

gotta get that early shadow word devour

[vague moss]

yea but is hard,he can send million quicker

[shell thunder]

altimor is so good dude

[signal edge]

Underrated card

[shell thunder]

I cut samuro kennels

I added aralon okani

Idk what to add as the 30th

[queen wraith]

Could add 2x slitherspear and remove 1 click clocker

[shell thunder]

idk if i wanna add a 1 drop

i ended up just putting in tracking

[signal edge]

The stigma against quests is real

[shell thunder]

casual rank 1 vs rank 3 matchup

[signal edge]

Big dh

[sacred pilot]

Murloc shaman isn’t great, Imp lock and skeleton mage are the best tempo decks

[vague moss]

it been 3 days

is not that great in this situation

but when againsting like the denathrius druid it has advantage

[rocky vale]

skeleton mage is actually just insane lol

[sacred pilot]

😈

Yeah there’s a few versions of it too

Definitely think double ai double multicaster is the best list for it tho

[signal edge]

Idk mage doesn't seem to be impressive

Control shaman on the other hand

Fun deck

[signal edge]

Custom Shaman2

Class: Shaman

Format: Standard

Year of the Hydra

2x (1) Muck Pools

2x (1) Schooling

2x (2) Amalgam of the Deep

1x (2) Bolner Hammerbeak

1x (2) Firemancer Flurgl

2x (2) Sleetbreaker

1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard

2x (3) Brilliant Macaw

2x (3) Clownfish

1x (3) Cookie the Cook

2x (3) Primal Dungeoneer

2x (3) Primordial Wave

1x (3) Prince Renathal

2x (4) Crud Caretaker

1x (4) Theotar, the Mad Duke

2x (5) Command of Neptulon

1x (5) Famished Fool

2x (5) Gorloc Ravager

1x (6) Kael'thas Sinstrider

2x (6) Snowfall Guardian

1x (7) Glugg the Gulper

1x (7) Mutanus the Devourer

1x (8) Bru'kan of the Elements

2x (9) Insatiable Devourer

2x (10) Goldshire Gnoll

1x (10) Sire Denathrius

AAECAZu1Awyo7gOm7wOG+gOkgQTDkQTptgTp0ASY1AS42QSX7wS88AS+8AQO4+4DxvkD04AEuZEElZIE1bIE4LUEssEExc4Exs4EtdkEttkE9NwE4O0EAA==

To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Habus list is insane

[vague moss]

tbh this deck is used by many players in the completition

[vague moss]

i use it feels great

[vague moss]

i will give him the jurgement

[shell thunder]

I'M GONNA CLUE

[vague moss]

and the interesting thing is that

i eat his denathrius

look at the fish

it suppose be 14-14

[signal edge]

he can devour it and gain massive stats

or steal/eat your denathrius

[signal edge]

Where's Uther and valeera?

[vague moss]

they had been droped

so only illidan garrosh are being bully

[shell thunder]

what the fuck did i just lose to

i lost to a mutanus zola druid

[vague moss]

my hs plays like a shit, lucky isn't belong to me

[shell thunder]

pretty decent deck for the legend climb

[vague moss]

yea but i don't like playing hunter my favourite is druid, shaman and priest

[signal edge]

I like the new package hunter got

Seeds are pretty fun

But my new fav hunter card is definitely altimore

[vague moss]

dh seems fun but it lacks of power to defeat

[thick crater]

I would love to play some miracle rogue but rogue has no real draw at the moment

maybe they will print something in the mini-set

[shell thunder]

only have 3 decks i wanna play

and 1 i dont want to craft yet cuz idk how fun itll be

so... 2

and both are just old decks

[signal edge]

Try control shaman

[shell thunder]

i dont want to play either control mage or control shaman

i just hate control mirrors

[signal edge]

I thought the more aggressive ping mage variant is performing better

Without renathal

[shell thunder]

p sure every deck just have to be renathal to deal with face hunter lol

[queen wraith]

What're you missing for imps?

[shell thunder]

Kael/rafam

[queen wraith]

Oh yea rafam is big to have, but why run kael?

[shell thunder]

this is the list

theres people at like

rank 50+ playing this list

its better than base impwarlock apparently

its what vs is gonna feature this week

[queen wraith]

Huh interesting

[shell thunder]

it gives you a lot of lethality with your draw

because normally you draw 5 or whatever with cata, and you just draw stats or bartender

or rafaam

but now you draw "denathrius" which is a huge board swing, or gigafin etc

[queen wraith]

Looks interesting. I'm still not too sure about kt though. You have 12 minions to activate it with from hand, but you don't really get a huge payoff without gigafin or denathrius (rafaam is ok but you have to have a mostly/completely empty board going into it because of rez)

Err more than 12 I miscounted

K I thought myself out of that line of thought lol 0 cost murlocula + kt is pretty strong if you do it on curve

[shell thunder]

LOL ye

thats the cute shit u do

even just like kael 1 drop rafam is nuts

they have to answer both the kael and the board

[queen wraith]

Yea I'm convinced

[shell thunder]

LOL

another converted

[signal edge]

that's actually dope

gigafin gaming

[queen wraith]

i'm hard coping on secret mage

it snowballs so hard with the legendary

[queen wraith]

[vague moss]

how about the dh

i am playing a dh using...a card can summon 2 card and let them attack each other

[shell thunder]

ooo

proving grounds

[vague moss]

yea

its fun

just waiting for the nerf this moment isn't balance

[shell thunder]

its balanced for the good decks

we need buffs more than nerfs imo

dh war pala rogue are to weak

[vague moss]

yea but blizz hardly do that they just nerf it

agree i have save 4000+ resource to build new deck

prefer miracle rouge or dh

[shell thunder]

they do lots of buffs recently

[vague moss]

but dunno this time

whatever theotar must be nerf, can't accept some body steal my 40dmg denathrius

[signal edge]

Oh just saw guy posted it

I'm assuming the implock deck list is gonna feature denathrius

[shell thunder]

2 variants

[signal edge]

https://twitter.com/IksarHS/status/1557774000792563712?t=KkvKDPgiLlGj7p657sWSZQ&s=19

August Dean Ayala 💙 (@IksarHS)

https://t.co/54XilmfRX1

Likes

636

Twitter · Aug 11, 2022, 5:00 PM

[vague moss]

good druid dead

[signal edge]

https://mobile.twitter.com/alecogereco/status/1558206875618840576

Aleco (@AlecoGereco)

Due to a small oopsy-doopsy, a patch planned for next Tuesday was partially pushed early. Some clever sleuths were able to spot a handful of card changes before things were reverted, and I can confirm that the changes seen on live are accurate. But, there's much more! 1/4

Twitter · Aug 12, 2022, 9:40 PM

[sacred pilot]

@shell thunder have you played skelly mage

That deck is so fun

[shell thunder]

nah i hate control decks

just takes too long to get wins

[sacred pilot]

[vague moss]

let try light force paladin

[shell thunder]

i like ending games of hearthstone

mage spends too much time stalling and afking

i just want to 1-2-3-4 people and they lose

[vague moss]

me too

[sacred pilot]

10 power hero damage + apprentice is baller

[shell thunder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/wmbus3/naga_priest_in_a_nutshell/

[vague moss]

wait guy i see u go to sleep

[shell thunder]

I should be asleep

But I'm on reddit instead

In bed

[vague moss]

never go to reddit, but i know the lcqp

okay

rest up

[shell thunder]

Some of the balance changes were leaked

Hopefully full notes are soon

[vague moss]

i want buff paladin

too slow now, when i summon the baroness the imp wl had been prepare to kill me

[sacred pilot]

@vague moss

just hit legend wya

😈

imp warlock style

most of my games were skeleton mage but i wanted a change of pace

[signal edge]

[sacred pilot]

control mage is so fun rn

with AI and multicasters

wildfire

OOFTA

[vague moss]

teach me how to play this game i am only silver 4

[signal edge]

Play for tempo

With any archetype

And that's what's gonna help you win a lot

[sacred pilot]

@vague moss

i am

100% wr in legend rn

with skeleton mage

gaining ranks bab

@signal edge

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

AVERAGE IMP WARLOCK PLAYER

[signal edge]

Until you meet the denathrius version of implock

[sacred pilot]

yeah its pretty good

[signal edge]

And lose to turn 6 kael into denny

[sacred pilot]

🤹

how

would they play turn 6

coin voidwalker?

[signal edge]

Murlocula

Costs 0 when infused

[sacred pilot]

o shit

big

sivara with wildfire is a house and a half

[signal edge]

Look at this tempo swing

[sacred pilot]

nutty

@signal edge

4 wildfire game

💀 5 damage base hero power

[signal edge]

Yeah and then it ramps out of control with varden

[sacred pilot]

dont need varden this game

i shut him down so hard

killed my own minions to counter his deathborn setup

@signal edge mordreth or apprentice to kill hm

[signal edge]

Mord

Shred him with the guitar

[sacred pilot]

you already know what it do

havent lost yet

lets go baby

[signal edge]

Yeah that animation is sweet

[sacred pilot]

take em down to chinatown you know what im talkin bout

100% WINRATE LEGEND BABY

[signal edge]

Until you meet a good hunter player

[sacred pilot]

Sadge

the deathborn saga continues

@signal edge

i have cast

4 deathborns

this game

💀

[signal edge]

Literally a skull emoji deck

[sacred pilot]

lose to mordreth sadge

HE DIDNT HAVE IT

OMGOMGOMG

IS THIS THE STREAK

DIES TO HIS OWN DEATHBORN

AWOOOOOOOOOOO

SLAMMING

COUNTRY ROOOOAAAAADS

[vague moss]

YO WTF

i got 3 gold legend

in 25 bag

wait

WTF

[signal edge]

[vague moss]

i got these

basically insane

wait i can't send it

discord doesn't let me to show u wut i got

[shell thunder]

Yo this lamby rogue deck

7 attack weapon btw

[shell thunder]

this deck just makes screenshots

[vague moss]

considering to surrender

[shell thunder]

Dude this rogue deck

Is so good

Custom Rogue

Class: Rogue

Format: Standard

Year of the Hydra

2x (0) Preparation

2x (0) Shadowstep

2x (1) Blackwater Cutlass

1x (1) Door of Shadows

2x (1) Gone Fishin'

2x (1) SI:7 Extortion

1x (2) Maestra of the Masquerade

2x (2) Serrated Bone Spike

2x (2) Sinstone Graveyard

2x (2) Tooth of Nefarian

2x (2) Wicked Stab (Rank 1)

2x (3) Shroud of Concealment

1x (4) Edwin, Defias Kingpin

1x (4) Necrolord Draka

2x (5) Azsharan Vessel

2x (5) Wildpaw Gnoll

1x (6) Crabatoa

1x (8) Shadowcrafter Scabbs

AAECAd75Awah+QPtgAT7igTYtgT03QT23QQMqusD/u4DofQDvYAE9p8E958E+6UE+awEr7MEt7ME9d0EwYMFAA==

To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

[vague moss]

wait let me try

[vague moss]

it cost alot

i need a lot dust for it

should i get the dust now or after nerf

[signal edge]

After

[vague moss]

i hope the nerf can be faster tired of againsting with shaman and wl

[shell thunder]

https://hsreplay.net/replay/g2p49Hi2WiiWDvff5PGfwP

lol

[shell thunder]

start of turn

end of turn

[signal edge]

What I like about boin guy is ig it gets silenced it still has massive stats to rebuff

[shell thunder]

Yeah

Boon is so good for this deck

Unsilencable and having taunt is just such gg

[vague moss]

tomorrow is the nerf

finally i can play rouge and paladin

[signal edge]

Isn't today nerf day?

Or do patches for China come later?

[rocky vale]

is this the celestial nerf stuff that was leaked

a lil while ago

or is this other stuff

[vague moss]

same time

iirc only 6 hours left

it's the 1am

[signal edge]

Fair enough

[signal edge]

That but there's more buffs that weren't leaked

[rocky vale]

ooh pog

[signal edge]

Think it's gonna be a big buff patch with minor nerfs

[vague moss]

paladin buff

[signal edge]

I want them to print a cheap offensive buff with the holy spell school

They printed kotori and we have no good cheap spells to take advantage of

[signal edge]

https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23840665/24-0-3-patch-notes

[shell thunder]

These warrior buffs are so bad wtf

[signal edge]

slam at 1 mana tho hm

guess we are jamming some silverhand paladin

[vague moss]

yo man

i just create the deck guy recommand

and rouge buffed

ty guy

u r my god

[signal edge]

maybe we play dude pally with denathrius

[shell thunder]

this patch sucks LOL

[signal edge]

🤨

[shell thunder]

enrage warrior is still unplayable

secret rogue still unplayable

99% sure relics are just unplayable still as well

[quaint aspen]

its been 2h please just stfu

[shell thunder]

ok

[quaint aspen]

maybe rogue and mage will be opressive but atleast we probably wont have 3 classes with no deck above 40% wr

[shell thunder]

i just dont see warrior getting anywhere relevant winrate wise

and shaman is going to be really bad without snowfall

[quaint aspen]

lol

a 40 card control deck is gonna go from tier1 to really bad because of 1 nerf

seems legit

[shell thunder]

whatever man just not in the mood to argue

[quaint aspen]

bro you watch streams

I dont remember last time I saw 10+ attack snowfalls actually connect face more than once

and if you wanna use them for freezes still works

[shell thunder]

yeah maybe its still good enough

its mostly just i wasnt havning a lot of fun with this set to begin with and the balance changes at first glance arent too appealing to me

ill wait a bit but i might sit out the rest of the expac until miniset or smthing

[quaint aspen]

yeah alot of them are weird

and might not help at all

so maybe at the top not alot changes, just the gap at the middle decreases

[shell thunder]

yeah like idk, the control warrior buffs i dont see working in a denathrius theotar dawgrasp metagame

and then the enrage warrior buffs seem too irrelevant when the class doesnt have draw still

hard to be an aggro deck rn when u dont have 2 mana draw 50

[quaint aspen]

well lets hope, because if I have to play against 40 card control warrs

im gonna uninstall

[shell thunder]

lol ye

renathal kazakusan warrior

[quaint aspen]

but yeah I wonder how miniset looks when an xpac launches so badly

reverting nerfs, buffing old cards 2 week into xpac

not a good sign

[rocky vale]

not a great xpac ngl

it's got some fun decks but the best decks are just not even remotely fun to play against

[vague moss]

nvm i got 1600 dust from the imp nerf

[signal edge]

Dude pala kinda blasting rn

New warhorse trainer feels so good

[vague moss]

i have a little bit regret to make the rouge deck

isn't fit my playstyle

[shell thunder]

[vague moss]

i suppose to play the slower deck

[undone furnace]

How is meta looking rn, no more imp warlock/allignement druids every queue?

[vague moss]

it still powerful

[shell thunder]

top 1k rn

nice buffs man

[queen wraith]

it's just because perfect 30/40 hasn't been found yet

[shell thunder]

blizzard might be the dumbest fucking company ive ever played games for

idk how u get payed moneyt o make a game and u make this deck playable

legit fucking 5iq company

this expansion might be the worst ive played in a long time

and thats after playing all of sunken city

just imagining sitting in a meeting saying stupid shit like "lets buff edwin to 3 mana, its only been an auto include card in most rogue decks since its release"

imagine doing that and then getting payed money

holy fuck what a dream

[quaint aspen]

didnt you see the tweet from aleco

apparently the changes were locked in a week ago already

when rogues winrates werent looking that great at the start

but then it turned around lol

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss3vuc

[shell thunder]

Oh yeah i read all this

i guess my issue is like

How was edwin ever considered

you have this card that went into, quest rogue, thief rogue, pirate rogue, tempo rogue, and even the shit miracle rogue decks

all of these decks played 4 mana edwin and it was a good card

in what world do you take a card that has, SINCE HE WAS PRINTED, seen play and decide to buff it

thats what confusing to me

why was edwin buff ever even on the table of consideration

its like when they buffed destro at the start of this season

u had a spec that was consistently doing well, and then they were like "yeah i guess this could use a buf because...?"

like id much prefer they spent more time buffing the shit rogue packages theyve printed like secrets right

like double cross should probably draw 3?

kidnap should probably be a minion counter, not just.... actively a downside to the user

but instead we have this core to rogue card that has been played nonstop as the buff target

that just bothers me a lot

[vague moss]

i found a deck can help people to deal with rouge

a druid deck

with everything to destroy rouge

[queen wraith]

what deck are you playing?

[shell thunder]

big spell mage, naga priest, imp warlock

literally everything

[queen wraith]

oh geez

[shell thunder]

cant win a single game

giga losing to this rogue deck

because i just lose on turn 3 to 18 cards and a stealthed giant

silly me

should have played around

prep sbs backstab location door of shadows backstab

clear my entire board

make a 7/7

should have optimized my play to avoid that from happening for sure

[undone furnace]

Really hope they didnt play backstab after sbs

And did prep sbs location backstab

[shell thunder]

yeah they did it in the right order

they just plays all the cards and i lost

[undone furnace]

Y havnt taken a look at patch yet

Sounds like a quest priest angle maybe

But long games then

[shell thunder]

it is

it has a 58% wl rn at high legend

because high legend is unironically 65% rogue atm

[rocky vale]

the actual fuck is this xpac

[signal edge]

If rogue is so prevalent maybe holy paladin is the play

[vague moss]

how about priest with some against card

[signal edge]

Maybe, I'm not hyped to play quest priest tho

[thick crater]

pretty cool deck

I was playing murlocola but seemed too slow with all the other infuse cards

[shell thunder]

why am i losing to this

hes running AI in big spell mage

yeah i lost

i legit cannot win any hearthstone games

[queen wraith]

idk big spell mage kinda nutty

last game to legend was hilarious xd, my last archmage was a misplay but it didn't matter because of how far ahead i was https://hsreplay.net/replay/Mf5qaAWDXhQFS8G39AnfFA

[signal edge]

Been having fair success with a slower version of dude pala

mid

Class: Paladin

Format: Standard

Year of the Hydra

2x (1) Knight of Anointment

2x (1) Righteous Protector

2x (1) Sinful Sous Chef

2x (2) City Tax

2x (2) Equality

2x (2) Flash of Light

2x (3) Alliance Bannerman

1x (3) Stewart the Steward

2x (3) Warhorse Trainer

2x (4) Buffet Biggun

2x (4) Dun Baldar Bridge

2x (4) Stand Against Darkness

1x (4) Theotar, the Mad Duke

2x (5) Famished Fool

1x (7) The Leviathan

1x (8) Lightforged Cariel

1x (9) Insatiable Devourer

1x (10) Sire Denathrius

AAECAcqLBQbgiwSwsgTp0AS42QTC4gTg7QQMzOsD8PYDi/gD7p8Ex6AEyaAEyqAE57gEktQEv+IEzOIEvPAEAA==

To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Just slap denathrius on top of dude package

[undone furnace]

Found naga priest to be my personal best solution to mage

Playing vs like 80% mages

[sacred pilot]

Lmfao I utterly skullfucked a Naga priest the other day as mage funnily enough

Was an insane game

I think I casted 5 wildfires

And froze this massive slitherspear every turn

Got 2 wildfires and a flurry into sivara, with 2 locations over the course of probably 8 turns of this massive slitherspear growing bigger and bigger

But dismantled with Dawn grasp, hero powers, reckless and a mordreth to slam him down

[signal edge]

I finally got around reading this

My issue is how they considered snowfall nerf so minor when it was such a pivotal card for shaman

And now shaman straight up died

[undone furnace]

Got to spread the buffs on multiple nagas. Mage just feels super strong imo currently. Not that i have played much this season, but from the games i played to legend it was 80%mages

[signal edge]

Good take

[quaint aspen]

40 card dh hidden op

[shell thunder]

I'm fine with packages being printed but I just hate when they are just bad

[signal edge]

Thing is

Some packages contain good cards

But they need more

Like I've been playing pala a lot

The dude cards are good but there's not enough of them to sustain an archetype

[shell thunder]

Yeah that's more the issue is just like

Enrage warrior and dude paladin are just unfinished decks

[signal edge]

And don't get me started on pure pala

Or totem shaman

Wtf were they doing with eyezor?

They print the totem legendary and then release support right after it rotates?

Warrior got a tragic set imo

[shell thunder]

The warrior set is actually insane

It's just unfinished

[signal edge]

Like what is the 4 mana spell supposed to accomplish?

[shell thunder]

The location, weapon, olgra, remornia, and anima extractor are all insane

And burden of pride too

Card is very good in enrage warrior

It's just like, they forgot to finish the archetype with liek 4 cards

[signal edge]

Banner is probably the biggest disappointment tho

[shell thunder]

The stuff they got will be staple if they finish the package out

I've played a lot of enrage warrior

Extractor is an insane card

Like the whole shell is there, it just needs battle rage tbh

[signal edge]

Yeah I like extractor

I'm just not sure if even with battle rage it's enough tbh

Feels like it needs 3 more cards

I know they plan 3 expansions ahead

But I think they should use minisets more as an opportunity to shore up lacking archetypes

[shell thunder]

Trust me, it is

The deck is almost good enough

[signal edge]

So paladin kinda works

Just run the denathrius package

And some dudes to fuel it

[queen wraith]

@shell thunder there's a beast druid that's doing pretty well, idk if you've seen/played w/ it yet

[shell thunder]

Yeah seemed solid

Played a bit of it

Has the aggro druid issue where sometimes u just draw all buffs and u skip turn 1-3

But it's strong

Cook and doggy buscuit go so hard

[signal edge]

Ok so I tried it and it has a lot of good things going for it

Also super fun to play

[signal edge]

On a side note burden even without the buff is really good on soaking scale of onyxia

And if you have berserker or the 2 drop behind those taunts you're just juicing

[shell thunder]

Aggro druid always low key insane man

Lol

I remember last set reqvam going insane with it

[signal edge]

I got back to 3 digits with enrage warrior

[signal edge]

shadow word 🙂

[signal edge]

The impossible achievement

[shell thunder]

[signal edge]

https://twitter.com/AlecoGereco/status/1564412811526098944

Aleco (@AlecoGereco)

We're going to be making some Standard balance adjustments soon. Next patch will likely be more nerf focused than the previous one and might include some neutral cards. We'll be locking in our changes this Friday, and the patch will go live ~1 week after that.

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Twitter · Aug 30, 2022, 12:40 AM

[queen wraith]

Kt nerf to cost 1 like the spell version is my bet

[shell thunder]

More nerf focused

Awesome bro

Another sunken city expansion

[signal edge]

There will be buffs still

But I can see the negative view towards this announcement

That was my first impression as well

But I don't mind if the denathrius combo gets touched
Also theotar

[shell thunder]

i mean meh

idk how im suppose to be excited for another sunken city miniset tier patch where they just nerf everything that "feels icky to play against"

[signal edge]

Maybe it's healthy to touch the druid ramp core

[shell thunder]

and then were are just playing with water guns

the only problem card in druid is guff

which is literally only a problem because they nerfed shaman

lol

[signal edge]

I'm tired of guff but that's an emotional response rather than a statistical one

Maybe scale should get looked at

[shell thunder]

i mean guff is overpowered so

u make him give empty cyrstrals

no longer have 1 mana wild growth every turn

[signal edge]

Yeah but

Does it matter if guff ramps all that mana if they lose a powerful board clear?

Like sure go up to 20 mana but you will die

[shell thunder]

if druid loses scales the deck literally disappears

identically to snowfall in shaman

i dont think the repeated solution to hearthstone decks that win should be "remove their ability to win games"

[signal edge]

I think snowfall had more weight than scale in terms of how it binded the class (I miss snowfall)

[shell thunder]

druid dies to minions

if u dont have a tempo swinging ramp payoff card that clears boards, druid cannot win games

its been consistently, other than right now, a sub 50% winrate deck even with cards like scale

if druid doesnt have scale it literally cannot win against 99% of hearthstone decks

[signal edge]

If you wanna target ramp tho

Why not nourish?

[shell thunder]

because guff is a 50x stronger card than nourish

[signal edge]

Idm if they nerf guff but wonder how much is it also impacted by the fact that druid is overloaded with ramp

Like I don't get why seedsman had to be printed this expansion

[shell thunder]

most of it is due to to the fact that they nerfed one of the only slow decks that can keep druid in check

because snowfall xd

[signal edge]

If they touch and maybe mage I think the meta can remain relatively high power level tho

Theo does need a nudge tho

Powerful disruption that has almost to no consequence to play on curve

[shell thunder]

what ur proposing just sounds like another sunken city expansion

zzzzz

nerf mage nerf druid nerf rogue

water gun expansion

because they keep nerfing for feels based reasons

nerfing snowfall was so stupid

same with cariel

[signal edge]

Cariel was a very clear outlier tho

I play lots of pala but I despise cariel existing

Feels like the entire powerlevel of the class is warped around this one hero card

[shell thunder]

hearthstone design in the current era is you need powerful outlier cards, this is across the board and unless they want to make full broad sweeping changes this is always going to be the conversation

decks dont win without powerful cards

"x card is an outlier"

yeah, duh, thats why the deck is meta

[signal edge]

I think they should leave minisets to iterate more on previously printed packages

Like

More dude support this miniset

They print kotori and then print no cheap holy spells to take advantage of

And pure paladin is a whole other conversation

[shell thunder]

im just tired of nerfs after nerfs of powerful cards because the chain never ends

they will nerf mage hero card, and guff hero card, and edwin, and probably location/draka

and then were back to another low power meta with big spell mage as the best deck, again

[signal edge]

Varden should remain the same

[shell thunder]

and then were gonna cry and complain and moan about a new set of "outlier cards"

[signal edge]

Imo vardens hero power has the right amount of innevitability

[shell thunder]

the issue is that mage has 80 freeze effects so ur just afk while they do that shit

[signal edge]

Sorry you cannot play your 40 turn hearthstone game

Yeah I'd look at freeze

When mage gets double location up

Its just

[shell thunder]

location, flurry, shivara, blizzard, rune, parrot

[signal edge]

I'd only touch location out of those

I still beat mage as enrage warrior because they freeze and put no real counterpressure

And your thick minions eventually kill the mage

[vague moss]

Druid King Again

[vague moss]

guys wuts the nerf

blizz said its going out today

i am quite enjoying the quest priest

[shell thunder]

probably guff, mage hero/location, edwin

theotar, denathrius

kaelthas

[vague moss]

i just finish my quest and theotar stole it

and i died

pls nerf it

[signal edge]

Rough translation from a chinese interview

https://mob.iyingdi.com/post/5216538
@vague moss are you able to understand the article btw?

[vague moss]

sure my pleasure

[signal edge]

Just wondering if he hinted about balancing anything

[vague moss]

yea

okay i read it before

i can give u some short summary

[signal edge]

Would be awesome

[shell thunder]

Re: Guff & Scales
"... The win rate data for Druid before the last patch was not indicative of a balance outlier... With that said, our next patch in early September has different goals and we will be considering changes to both of these cards in that patch."
(3/6)

yeah its just another

another fucking nerf patch with just "feels" nerfs

so disappointed

[vague moss]

yea like guy said

[shell thunder]

these cards like scales, and snowfall prop up entire archtypes

[signal edge]

Didn't you want guff nerfed?

[shell thunder]

guff should get nerfed yes

scales, no

scales literally props up the entire ramp druid archtype

[vague moss]

scales is fine

imo druid is hard to clear the ground

[shell thunder]

scales is needed as ramp payoff to stabilize, in the same way snowfall is needed to stabilize for control shaman

u cant just have ramp that ramps into threats, u need to ramp into clear because ur early game is so bad

[vague moss]

but aleco just said consider it

i think the main topic is guff still

[shell thunder]

i mean scales has been a big complained about card, probably by me as well

[signal edge]

Yeah 3 months ago you want scales deleted lol

[shell thunder]

ye

i hate the card

just like i hate snowfall

but nerfing these cards remove the classes from the game

id rather lose to 100 scale of onyxias, then has druid just be unplayable for the next 3 sets now

which is what will happen, just like what happened with the snowfall nerf

[vague moss]

snowfall give a big impact to shaman

i don't think scale is op,neither do cn ppl

[signal edge]

Yeah it's just a feels bad card

[vague moss]

cn forum have a big issue about guff

[shell thunder]

good decks will always feel bad to lose to

[signal edge]

I disagree

[shell thunder]

druid is a good deck, and the way it usually wins is ramping, stabilizing, then having a huge mana lead

[vague moss]

and ppl like shit pls delete guff, talk about it everyday

[shell thunder]

what deck feels good to lose to that is popular and strong

does being perma frozen by hero card mage feel fun?

does ballinda into runes feel fun to lose to?

[signal edge]

A good example is face hunter last year

[shell thunder]

does edwin rogue feel fun to lose to?

[signal edge]

Never felt bad losing to it

[shell thunder]

well it depends who you ask right

[vague moss]

thats true

[shell thunder]

some people hate face hunter because "omg its just like you dont even get to play the game they just kill you on turn 4"

[signal edge]

And tbh I don't mind losing to edwin rogue

[shell thunder]

this is my issue with "feels bad based nerfed"

it literally all depends on who you ask

[signal edge]

I don't think scales should get nerfed because of feels btw

But losing to ramo druid is like

Ok he scaled my board

Now I innevitabilly lose late game

And there's not much I can do

[shell thunder]

i mean yeah, its the ramp card that stabilizes the game for you

but the issue is that, similar to snowfall

what do you do if scales is like, 8 mana

[vague moss]

one thing is sured that they are going to nerf theotar

[shell thunder]

u literally just fucking die on druid

[vague moss]

but only a little

[shell thunder]

ur opponent plays 1 minion a turn and u just die

[signal edge]

Although my occasional tilt gets propereled by renathal tbh

It's like

When the opponent draws everything he needs

[shell thunder]

i mean renathal is my least favourite card ever printed i think

but reddit loves that shit right

it all depends who u ask

[signal edge]

But has 40 cards which dilute the pool

[shell thunder]

yeah man fuck renathal

i hate him

"oh cool nice 40 card deck, draw ballinda hero card on curve"

[signal edge]

And it's annoying because I like playing around draw probabilities

[shell thunder]

i mean yeah i fully agree with everything ur gonna say

[signal edge]

And when they draw that one card in their 40 deck

[shell thunder]

i cant stand renathal

[signal edge]

Renathal is a fucking

Batchest card

[shell thunder]

but see my point tho

renathal to us "feels bad"

[vague moss]

agree with guy said,if u ask me i would like to said diff word

[shell thunder]

to peple on reddit, they "love renathal"

i love denathrius

reddit hates denathrius

its why i can never buy into "they should nerf x card because it feels bad to lose to"

scales

snowfall

guff

[signal edge]

I like denny

[shell thunder]

cariel

denathrius

spitelash

like based on what the meta is right now i have a pretty good idea what the nerfs will be

if im wrong ill be shocked

[signal edge]

Idk I dislike cariel from a deckbuilding in paladin perspective

Idc about losing as much to her

[vague moss]

okay i go if u need me just @ me,i am translating guys impression about the DF talent

[signal edge]

But that one card has been hogging up so much of the power in one class

It's annoying

[shell thunder]

yeah but look where its at now

literally cannot play hearthstone

hearthstone decks are designed around "1 broken card"

look at mage for the past like

3 expansions now

its just reckless, mordresh, hero card, bullshit

[signal edge]

Because they need to finish an actual direction for paladin

Like dude cards are good

But you need more dude cards

Or the example I always use

They print kotori lightblade

[shell thunder]

my guess is
Guff to empty crystals
Scales to 8
Denathrius nerf in some way
Theotar to 5 4/4
location to 2 durability
Mage hero to HK +1

[signal edge]

And then proceed to print 0 holy spells

[shell thunder]

thats my guess

[signal edge]

Imagine kotori with hand of adal

[shell thunder]

bro imagine totem shaman with eyesor

LMFAO

why man

[signal edge]

Yeah wtf was eyesor

Let's print eyesor

Then give totem shaman 0 support

[shell thunder]

lets print eyesor, never print a single totem support card

second set hes rotated out, insta more totem support

[signal edge]

And print totem shaman after eyesor rotates

[shell thunder]

yeah man

i see shit like this

[signal edge]

I mean pure paladin is in the same boat

[shell thunder]

and the general balance of the sunken city miniset and im so checked out

paladin is a fucking disaster class

the paladin devs need to fuckin smarten up

no fucking way a single person in their testing thought paladin would be alright

[signal edge]

They need to stop making pure cards value based

[shell thunder]

not even power level

just like holy shit dude

[signal edge]

Like who cares about countess tickets

[shell thunder]

print wild seeds for paladin

give them something cute

also dude fuck the nerfs last balacne patch too

fucking vile library and wild seeds nerfs dude

warlock was playable, and hunter was playable

they nerf technically 3 hunter cards

[signal edge]

Imagine of countess casts blessing of kings on all allied minions on board

[shell thunder]

and then the best card in implock, a deck that was already falling off

like, kill me man

why do they nerf just random shit recently

[signal edge]

Tbf hunter was declining fast

[shell thunder]

yeah ik

thats the insane part man

this patch was so shit dude

snowfall nerf to kill shaman, weapon nerf to kill hunter, location nerf to kill warlock

good shit man

[signal edge]

The rise of quest priest :BatChest:

[vague moss]

i am quite enjoying quest priest

okay dont tell other people quest priest is good

[signal edge]

It crushes rogue

[vague moss]

i mean like 70% win in 10 rounds

[signal edge]

No varden hero power change pls

[shell thunder]

nah man

mage is OP

u gotta wake up

fuck the hero card man

hero card + reckless been too good for too long

if were just gonna nerf every good thing HS decks do

[signal edge]

It's the lethality mage has

[shell thunder]

yeah man

and scales is the ramp payoff druid needs

[signal edge]

And it rolls so well into a mordresh

[shell thunder]

and snowfall is the tempo swing shaman needs

[signal edge]

Honestly it's a pretty healthy loop

[shell thunder]

and hunter weapon was the damage it needed

and library was the board pressure implock needed

didnt stop them from killing all the other shit dude

fuck it

[signal edge]

I just think them printing freeze is eye gouging