Hidealot Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 9:53 PM

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so just gear wise, rank 4 unholy is doing you no favors

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conduits aren't too important, but you are missing some levels on that

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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i only have rank 4 unholy

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but is the difference between 4 and 5 so big?

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Like im sitting on 17% lol

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 9:54 PM

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300ish

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so this is already a bit weird

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using that symbols before the flag isn't a great idea

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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in every rota i read about symbols is always with flag

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idk

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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yeah should usually be flag symbols finish or flag finish symbols

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 9:56 PM

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like dance/symbols shadowstrike flags

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rupture

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i see

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 9:57 PM

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you missed a symbols over the fight

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mostly cause the flags are like 10 seconds later than normal every time

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it should pretty regularly be every minute

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but it's like 1:14, 2:20, 3:30, 4:42

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so you keep delaying the symbols a couple seconds till you end up losing one entirely

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:00 PM

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isnt flag more than 1min cd

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

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it's 1 min with obedience

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

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oh ye

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combo points

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i forgot

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i was looking at the ability and was like wait

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😄

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:01 PM

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That may be a result of flagging when not at full cp, or in part

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:02 PM

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If you guys want

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:02 PM

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he's doing it though

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:02 PM

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i can record a 2min video of my rotation on a dummy

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if this would be easier to analyze

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but im pretty sure i always flag with 5/6

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:02 PM

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logs show everything no need

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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or is mythic guardian just so full of mega gigas 200 iq blaster

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that i do 17% dmg lol

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no way im that trash

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im in pain seeing this

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xD

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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you had a dance here on high cp

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kinda pain

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Was flag up there?

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oh you mean dance

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srry

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misread

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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this is 5 seconds of wasted blades, and then the symbols thing mentioned earlier

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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You mean due to no dance

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with blades?

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:04 PM

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yeah you just kinda send it for some reason

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before anything is up

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i think sometimes i panic

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that when i do it to late

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i miss out on a whole cd

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in the end

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:05 PM

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because you cast dance a bunch before, you ran out of steam on this flag

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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should i always use blade only when 2 dances in a row are up ?

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or is it ok to pull it with 1 dance window

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aswell?

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:07 PM

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you should cast blades with the next symbols

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:11 PM

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ye i see know

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i see my mistakes now

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i checked the logs again with what you said in mind

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i wasted blades

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and a lot of other managment when it comes down to windows

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:17 PM

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yeah I mean at the end of the day, you did fine, but it's a lot of small mistakes that add up from what I see

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not having great gear

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then having bad dom shards

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then messing up a couple things rotationally

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:17 PM

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You never cast arcane torrent and you waste quite a lot of the energy generated by symbols as well

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:18 PM

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that's kinda fine

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Part of the small things that add up

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:18 PM

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energy waste is fine if i need to put it into the windows due to 10% dmg

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my thought

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:18 PM

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only 95% snd uptime :/

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:19 PM

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dont forget i have to play mechanics aswell

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soaking

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running around

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bombs

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But ye

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i see

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But i never thought its gonna be so huge

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on my alts i do like 80-90

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even tho i can clearly tell i fucked up

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sub punishes a lot

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:21 PM

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i am not sure if this was mentioned already

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but the 2 backstabs in the opener after first dance seem weird

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it makes sense to use backstab between dances if you use PV, but without you just waste stacks/time during flag

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:27 PM

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what is your guys opener macro

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if you guys mind me asking

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:29 PM

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99% of people don't use one

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:30 PM

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only "opener" macro people use is the dust gear swap macro if they use the cheese

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:32 PM

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oh wow

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okay

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not even for pot?

worthy lichen Dec 30, 2021, 10:33 PM

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why would you need a macro for a potion

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Hmmm

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Nah, you don't always wanna pot on pull

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:34 PM

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i mean

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idk

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😄

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:37 PM

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I think the general consensus is that we don't like "do it all" macros here

Its kinda why the swifty macros are a meme as well. Yeah.. they can do a lot of damage right in that second, but that doesn't make it the correct way to play

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:37 PM

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meh

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not like do it all

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:38 PM

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the problem with "do it all" macros is that they always have some trade offs

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 10:38 PM

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but symbols/dance/ etc at the same time

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seems easier with a macro

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:38 PM

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macroing stuff together is fine, as long as you are smart with it and don't take shortcuts that potentially lower your output

fresh ruin Dec 30, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Ye but thinkable situations where you have Symbols and Dance up but may not want to use them together

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Thats kind of the problem

random otter Dec 30, 2021, 10:39 PM

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e.g. it is probably fine to use a macro for symbols + flag.
The diffrence between symbols use after and before flag is within .1% dps what makes it a nearly irrelevant trade off

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macroing flag to dance however is not good, as you don't want to waste your dance time on casting flag

ornate patrol Dec 30, 2021, 11:02 PM

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i see

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so the best min max would prollz just play on your own

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its always situational

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i downloaded the SimC nightly build and simmed my character and their respective rota and gonna analyse it and lets see if i do better next time

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i will let you guys now 😄

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Thanks for the feedback so far!!

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

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ornate patrol i downloaded the SimC nightly build and simmed my character and their respective...

downloaded?

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You can do everything on the raidbots website as well!

random otter Dec 31, 2021, 12:02 AM

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^ just make sure to use the nightly in the options

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:03 AM

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downloading simc past 7.2

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MonkaS

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Yes

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Downloading has a few benefits

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more options

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more detailed analys

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:04 AM

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?

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no it doesn't

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you can see the full report if you just hit the html button

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brings up the whole sim

random otter Dec 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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no iteration limitations and no queue times are the 2 benefits

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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what more do you need

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:05 AM

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worthy lichen

logs

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:06 AM

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random otter no iteration limitations and no queue times are the 2 benefits

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i got premium to

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tho'

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:06 AM

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wait

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you have premium

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and you're simming locally?

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kekl

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holy hell

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:07 AM

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worthy lichen and you're simming locally?

pepeclown

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thats me

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pretty much just use it for dungeon stuff

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:12 AM

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you can sim dungeon stuff on raidbots website as well

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:12 AM

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thats what i mean

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i use raidbots for dungeon

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raid

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droptimizer

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on alts et

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etc*

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:12 AM

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oh, thought you meant local

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but yeah if you pay for the good stuff, use it for everything

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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it actually says blood links are worse than unholy

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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link the sim

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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you selected rank 3 blood set, right?

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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ye

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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kms

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sim screenshots

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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maybe i did something wrong

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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well

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pgHLcY1CittgA1HNGAK3Nx

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worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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rank 3 blood

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should be worse

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than rank 4 unholy

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:13 AM

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no

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its foreboding

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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do it on 5 because that's what you'll end up with (:

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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rank 4

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like my unholy

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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oh weird

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:14 AM

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im telling ya

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sim told me unholy is better

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but everyone tells me to go blood

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😦

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:15 AM

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oh

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I think i see it hold on

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Macky

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:17 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vfpXhRX8gfku2YzKw45ABa

yeh it's closer but still worse how weird

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you didn't sim any other gems

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so it was simming 3 blood shards vs 3 unholy + blood

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:18 AM

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unholy better

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confirmed

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im running another sim on nasa pc

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aka raidbot premium

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on rank 5

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pretty sure same result

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:20 AM

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I put mine to run 5 min ago and it's still running kek

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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catwhat no premium ?

inland owl Dec 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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blue premium, not purple premium

ornate patrol Dec 31, 2021, 12:21 AM

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besad

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iHdKn5eEXG9fFjbkbLVdDd

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blood i 1.4% better

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on rank 5

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only on rank 4 unholy is better

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compared to rank 5

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blood wins by 0.4%

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so 3x unholy R4vs 3x blood R4 = unholy better
3x blood vs 3x unholy R5 = blood wins 0.4%

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in my case

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not worth for me to farm all these embers tbh

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for 0.4%

worthy lichen Dec 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

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the main benefit of blood is that it's consisten

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